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1. 08:24 AM - Re: Leaking VDO fuel sender seals (ashontz)
2. 08:36 AM - Re:(BP 93 dopes contain ethanol) Leaking VDO fuel sender seals (T. Graziano)
3. 08:53 AM - Re: (BP 93 dopes contain ethanol) Leaking VDO fuel sender seals (Gig Giacona)
4. 08:57 AM - Re: Leaking VDO fuel sender seals (Gig Giacona)
5. 09:06 AM - Re: Leaking VDO fuel sender seals (ashontz)
6. 09:46 AM - Re: Leaking VDO fuel sender seals (Gig Giacona)
7. 10:01 AM - Re: Leaking VDO fuel sender seals (ashontz)
8. 10:21 AM - Ethanol issues (Grant Corriveau)
9. 11:02 AM - Re: Re: Leaking VDO fuel sender seals (wade jones)
10. 11:02 AM - Project Almost Done - Cleaning House... (Don Honabach)
11. 11:53 AM - Re: Leaking VDO fuel sender seals (ashontz)
12. 12:11 PM - Re: Leaking VDO fuel sender seals (ashontz)
13. 12:13 PM - Re: Ethanol issues (Dave Austin)
14. 12:23 PM - Re: Leaking VDO fuel sender seals (PatrickW)
15. 12:36 PM - Re: Leaking VDO fuel sender seals (ashontz)
16. 01:52 PM - Re: Ethanol issues (LarryMcFarland)
17. 02:01 PM - Re: Leaking VDO fuel sender seals (Gig Giacona)
18. 02:08 PM - Re: on gear, Do we have pedal issues? (Clive Richards)
19. 02:12 PM - Re: Leaking VDO fuel sender seals (Gig Giacona)
20. 02:16 PM - Re: Leaking VDO fuel sender seals (ashontz)
21. 02:20 PM - Re: Leaking VDO fuel sender seals (Gig Giacona)
22. 02:21 PM - Re: Leaking VDO fuel sender seals (ashontz)
23. 02:48 PM - Re: Leaking VDO fuel sender seals (Gig Giacona)
24. 03:37 PM - Re: Re: Leaking VDO fuel sender seals (Bryan Martin)
25. 06:00 PM - Re: Leaking VDO fuel sender seals (ashontz)
26. 06:04 PM - Re: Leaking VDO fuel sender seals (ashontz)
27. 06:20 PM - Ride in a 601 HDS (Damien and Kathy)
28. 07:00 PM - Re: Leaking VDO fuel sender seals (PatrickW)
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| Subject: | Re: Leaking VDO fuel sender seals |
I'm going to have to ask around at my local EAA. There was a guy in the group that
came up with a relatively simple way of getting the ethanol out of mo-gas
using a 55 gallon drum. I forget how he did it but basically the ethanol collected
at the bottom of the tank or something and he'd pump gas from the top. He's
a Chemical Engineer so he seemed to know what he was doing.
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| Subject: | Re:(BP 93 dopes contain ethanol) Leaking VDO fuel sender |
seals
FWIW - BP 93 Octane does contain ethanol, at least here in Tn. (what a sad
waste of corn - good live stock food and the main ingredient in sour mash
sippin' whiskey such as Jack Daniels).
I noticed my fuel caps were becoming hard to remove for my main tanks, but
not my aux tanks. (I always keep my aux tanks wet with 100LL and only use
100LL in them. I had been filling my mains with mostly mogas with some
100LL).
I had always used BP93 for my mogas. Shortly after I noticed my fuel caps
were becoming hard to remove, the BP station posted the owlgore stickers on
their pumps stating the fuel my contain up to 10% ethanol.
Tony Graziano
XL/Jab3300; 417 hrs
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary Ray" <davgray@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 9:44 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Leaking VDO fuel sender seals
>I had a problem with the VDO Neoprene Fuel Sender Seals on my 601XL.
> I originally sealed them with a thin coat of Sealube and I had no problems
> for the first
> 1/1/2 years using 100LL exclusively. Then I placed 92 octane auto fuel
> that
> contained ethanol of 10% into my
> tanks. The station assured me there was no ethanol in their fuel. I
> should
> have tested it prior to pouring it into the tanks. I tested it after it
> was
> in the tanks. I thought that I could burn this one
> tank off as long as I remained below 3000 Alt I should not have any real
> problems.
> It was in my tanks for 2 weeks before my fuel filler caps were becoming
> very
> difficult
> to remove, the fuel drain valves began to leak, and the VDO Fuel Senders
> began to leak.
> I drained the tanks and tried to reseal the tank senders without any luck
> so
> I pulled them from
> the normal access holes which turned out to be much easier than I
> expected.
> I have attached a picture of the total destruction of the gasket material.
> These are the original seals
> that come with the VDO Fuel Senders.
> I found new VDO seals available from http://www.Eguages.com for about $5
> each.
> Whether it was the ethanol or some other additive maybe this report will
> save time, money, or increase safety.
>
> Additional pictures are on line @
> http://picasaweb.google.com/Papawobo/trouble
>
>
> Gary Ray
> davgray@sbcglobal.net
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: (BP 93 dopes contain ethanol) Leaking VDO fuel sender |
seals
Further proof that unless you test you can NOT be 100% sure that the Mogas doesn't
have ethanol. If you are running Mogas and aren't 100% sure that every single
part of your fuel system is OK for ethanol you are going to have to check
every single time you buy gas.
Tony, I'd check the rest of the fuel system very closely for a while.
tonyplane(at)bellsouth.ne wrote:
> FWIW - BP 93 Octane does contain ethanol, at least here in Tn. (what a sad
> waste of corn - good live stock food and the main ingredient in sour mash
> sippin' whiskey such as Jack Daniels).
>
> I noticed my fuel caps were becoming hard to remove for my main tanks, but
> not my aux tanks. (I always keep my aux tanks wet with 100LL and only use
> 100LL in them. I had been filling my mains with mostly mogas with some
> 100LL).
>
> I had always used BP93 for my mogas. Shortly after I noticed my fuel caps
> were becoming hard to remove, the BP station posted the owlgore stickers on
> their pumps stating the fuel my contain up to 10% ethanol.
>
> Tony Graziano
> XL/Jab3300; 417 hrs
>
> ---
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| Subject: | Re: Leaking VDO fuel sender seals |
ashontz wrote:
> I'm going to have to ask around at my local EAA. There was a guy in the group
that came up with a relatively simple way of getting the ethanol out of mo-gas
using a 55 gallon drum. I forget how he did it but basically the ethanol collected
at the bottom of the tank or something and he'd pump gas from the top.
He's a Chemical Engineer so he seemed to know what he was doing.
He may be a chemical engineer and may be doing a real good job of extracting the
ethanol but does he know what the octane of the fuel that he is left with is?
Seems like it would be a real pain to test for octane every time you buy and
process gas.
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| Subject: | Re: Leaking VDO fuel sender seals |
>From what I remember he was testing the octane too because he was using this process
so he could put the fuel in his auto-fuel STD'd Beech Bonanza.
Gig Giacona wrote:
>
> ashontz wrote:
> > I'm going to have to ask around at my local EAA. There was a guy in the group
that came up with a relatively simple way of getting the ethanol out of mo-gas
using a 55 gallon drum. I forget how he did it but basically the ethanol collected
at the bottom of the tank or something and he'd pump gas from the top.
He's a Chemical Engineer so he seemed to know what he was doing.
>
>
> He may be a chemical engineer and may be doing a real good job of extracting
the ethanol but does he know what the octane of the fuel that he is left with
is? Seems like it would be a real pain to test for octane every time you buy and
process gas.
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| Subject: | Re: Leaking VDO fuel sender seals |
Not having read the particular STC for his Bo I still can't imagine how that would
possible be legal with a certified aircraft.
If his Bo has a high compression engine, which I think most Bo's do, how would
he possibly get the octane up to the 91 that is required by the STC?
ashontz wrote:
> From what I remember he was testing the octane too because he was using this
process so he could put the fuel in his auto-fuel STD'd Beech Bonanza.
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| Subject: | Re: Leaking VDO fuel sender seals |
I don't know. All I know is, that's what he's using the processed fuel for.
Gig Giacona wrote:
> Not having read the particular STC for his Bo I still can't imagine how that
would possible be legal with a certified aircraft.
>
> If his Bo has a high compression engine, which I think most Bo's do, how would
he possibly get the octane up to the 91 that is required by the STC?
>
>
>
> ashontz wrote:
> > From what I remember he was testing the octane too because he was using this
process so he could put the fuel in his auto-fuel STD'd Beech Bonanza.
>
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I've noticed that over the past couple of years I have not found even
a drop of water in my fuel tanks. This makes me suspicious that my
MOGAS contains alcohol, so from now on I intend to be more scrupulous
about 'bottle testing' my fuel sources.
The other issue with MOGAS relates to winter inactivity. Car gas
should not be stored for more than three months. In the past the
aviation practice for fuel tanks was to leave them full to prevent/
reduce condensation inside the tanks. But now I'm wondering if that
works with MOGAS over the quiet winter months.
Does the stabilizer sold in auto stores do the job adequately? Or
should I keep the fuel tanks mainly empty over the winter, just
adding enough fuel each time I go flying?
What are the active pilots on the list, who use MOGAS, doing with all
this?
Thanks
Grant
C-GHTF
601HDS/CAM100
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| Subject: | Re: Leaking VDO fuel sender seals |
In one of the classes for my IA renewal a couple years ago the FAA
instructor said that no auto fuel made since 1990 met the requirements of
the STCs for certified aircraft use .I can only believe that he knew what he
was talking about don't know for sure .You may want to check this out with
your local FAA .
Wade Jones South Texas
601XL Franklin 0-235
----- Original Message -----
From: "ashontz" <ashontz@nbme.org>
Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 12:01 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Leaking VDO fuel sender seals
>
> I don't know. All I know is, that's what he's using the processed fuel
> for.
>
>
> Gig Giacona wrote:
>> Not having read the particular STC for his Bo I still can't imagine how
>> that would possible be legal with a certified aircraft.
>>
>> If his Bo has a high compression engine, which I think most Bo's do, how
>> would he possibly get the octane up to the 91 that is required by the
>> STC?
>>
>>
>>
>> ashontz wrote:
>> > From what I remember he was testing the octane too because he was using
>> > this process so he could put the fuel in his auto-fuel STD'd Beech
>> > Bonanza.
>>
>
>
> --------
> Andy Shontz
>
> do not archive
>
> CH601XL - Corvair
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> Read this topic online here:
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>
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| Subject: | Project Almost Done - Cleaning House... |
After over 10 years I'm almost done with my Zodiac 601HDS project (yes,
HDS) and I'm cleaning out/selling off the extras to make a little piece
in the family...
I've put up 2 Electric Gyros Indicators on eBay if anyone is interested:
RCA15AK-1 14V Electric Directional Gyro (Lighted)
http://tinyurl.com/6n66vm
RCA26AK-1 14V Electric Attitude Indicator Gyro (Lighted)
http://tinyurl.com/5nnfuu
Both are brand new, have zero hours and were bought at R.C. Allen Booth
at Oshkosh.
Don Honabach
Tempe, AZ
601HDS
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| Subject: | Re: Leaking VDO fuel sender seals |
Maybe so and they just never revoked his STC. That only applies to certified planes
obviously, correct. No reason we can't use mo-gas in our homebuilts, right?
Seems either way, ethanol is not desireable in mo-gas for use in a plane, even
if it is a homebuilt. I'll have to find out exavtly what this guy is doing.
wjones(at)brazoriainet.co wrote:
> In one of the classes for my IA renewal a couple years ago the FAA
> instructor said that no auto fuel made since 1990 met the requirements of
> the STCs for certified aircraft use .I can only believe that he knew what he
> was talking about don't know for sure .You may want to check this out with
> your local FAA .
> Wade Jones South Texas
> 601XL Franklin 0-235
> ---
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| Subject: | Re: Leaking VDO fuel sender seals |
Actually, what I think this guy was doing was outright forcing phase separation
of the ethanol and the gasoline, by adding water to the E10 in large enough quantities
to force the ethanol to get saturated to the point of outright dropping
out of solution, thereby winding up with a tankful of gasoline on top, and
water and ethanol on the bottom, and then syphoning off the good gas at the top
of the 55 gallon drum, or from some point above the phase separation level.
Apparently if you do this with good 93 octane gas the octane rating isn't effected
either. Apparently the phase separation is more visible if the water had
a particular color to it to begin with. Probably works well too. No different
than draining the gascolator of water. Once the water is out the gasoline it's
fine, you're just removing the dregs, and in this case the dregs are the water
as well as the saturated ethanol and what you're left with is ethanol free
gas.
http://www.c-bstatesman.com/news/2008/0904/Front_Page/001.html
http://wecleantanks.com/news/003-phase_separation_and_water_in_ethanol.php
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethanol_fuel
http://www.sunworld.net.au/startron/Wc35c468eb2769.htm
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| Subject: | Re: Ethanol issues |
Grant,
My experience with the Zodiac is that in December I fill the tank with Shell
super and put in 1 1/2 times the recommended gas treatment and then run the
engine (912) for five minutes to get the treatment to the carbs. Then shut
down and rest easy like a bear until late March. (Oddysey battery).
Then hit the starter. Never had any problem at all.
Dave Austin 601HDS - 912
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| Subject: | Re: Leaking VDO fuel sender seals |
FWIW, I remember that my senders were actually Volkswagen parts.
So a VW is a car, and cars usually run on auto gas (I only say "usually" because
I own a VW and it runs on diesel).
Mine are already sealed in my wings, under a generous layer of pro-seal (the black
goo of death, as somebody called it).
I heard (at the builders dinner at Oshkosh) that there was a problem with the seals
under the gas caps of the fuel tanks.
Might ought to replace those with something made of a different material. Not
sure what to do - if anything - about the sender seals. Car parts should be able
to handle car gas, right....?
- Pat
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601XL/Corvair
N63PZ (reserved)
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| Subject: | Re: Leaking VDO fuel sender seals |
http://www.fuel-testers.com/instructions_alcohol_fuel_test_kit.html
Check the test kit. The process for ethanol removal is the same as the test kit.
Apparently 10cc of water is enough to dissolve all of the ethanol out of 20cc
of E10. I'm sure this is the method the guy at our local chapter was using to
remove ethanol from gas. Makes sense to me.
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| Subject: | Re: Ethanol issues |
Hi Grant,
I keep four 5-gallon gas cans in the hangar on a wood-strip rack and two
are full all the time. I only keep 3 to 5 gallons in each wing tank and
4 to 5 gallons in the header. I dont refuel until just before the next
flight. When a can of fuel has set for more than a couple of months, I
pour it into the car and refill the can with new 87-octane. This seems
to keep the fuel fresh and gas handling safe. I do use a 16-gage wire
with gator clips each end to minimize static build-up between tank and
can at filling. I also place a small edge-bound rubber-backed rug with a
centered 2-1/2-inch hole over the filler hole to avoid drips and
splatter on the paint. I sometimes forget to pre-release pressure on the
spring-cap just before filling. This seems to take care of the long
inactive periods in winter. I dont use stabilizers, but prefer the
addition of fresh fuel just before flight, easiest done if left in the
can until you need it.
On a side note, our airport managers recently got fussy about our having
fuel cans in the hangars and it was successfully argued that several
tanks to the volume of the aircraft were necessary to drain and check
fuel tank strainers and provide safe fuel containment in the event of a
leak. Just be sure you use OSHA approved containers that are stable for
transport. Steel 5-gallon drum types are ideal and 50 gallons is the max
allowable for each of our hangars.
Now that Homeland Security has decided to search our cars for explosives
before we drive thru the coded gate, never mind the gasoline,
apparently, you do have to have the right container to get it there.
I periodically check my VDO float gasket and fittings for ethanol damage
and do replace the short hose and paper-type plastic filter annually.
Thats the best of it so far, so do fly safe guys,
Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
Grant Corriveau wrote:
> <grant.corriveau@telus.net>
>
> I've noticed that over the past couple of years I have not found even
> a drop of water in my fuel tanks. This makes me suspicious that my
> MOGAS contains alcohol, so from now on I intend to be more scrupulous
> about 'bottle testing' my fuel sources.
>
> The other issue with MOGAS relates to winter inactivity. Car gas
> should not be stored for more than three months. In the past the
> aviation practice for fuel tanks was to leave them full to
> prevent/reduce condensation inside the tanks. But now I'm wondering if
> that works with MOGAS over the quiet winter months.
>
> Does the stabilizer sold in auto stores do the job adequately? Or
> should I keep the fuel tanks mainly empty over the winter, just adding
> enough fuel each time I go flying?
>
> What are the active pilots on the list, who use MOGAS, doing with all
> this?
>
> Thanks
> Grant
> C-GHTF
> 601HDS/CAM100
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Leaking VDO fuel sender seals |
In Texas that is probably true because there is no state requirement that fuel
meet the ASTM D-4814 specs. There are several states that do have that requirement.
http://www.autofuelstc.com/autofuelstc/pa/LeadD-4814.html#anchor749413
The Peterson aviation site has all the info on Auto Fuel STCs and you could ever
ask for.
wjones(at)brazoriainet.co wrote:
> In one of the classes for my IA renewal a couple years ago the FAA
> instructor said that no auto fuel made since 1990 met the requirements of
> the STCs for certified aircraft use .I can only believe that he knew what he
> was talking about don't know for sure .You may want to check this out with
> your local FAA .
> Wade Jones South Texas
> 601XL Franklin 0-235
> ---
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W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
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| Subject: | Re: on gear, Do we have pedal issues? |
We tiewrapted a piece of hose to pivot bar and cut some thread off
cylinder rods to move operating bar forward & since then have added
aluminium plates so brakes will actual hold aircraft for run-up of
continental 0-200 picture attached you could weld a plate on if you have
access.
Do not find a problem with this as you have to apply positive pressure
to top of plate for brakes to have any effect. I am size 7 but Ray is
much larger 12 I think.
Clive Richards do not archive already in
G CBDG 240 Hrs
----- Original Message -----
From: 601corvair
To: Zenith list
Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 3:16 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: on gear, Do we have pedal issues?
Well we have had a major accomplishment. Our 601 HDS is
on the gear and I got to set in it for the first time and
make airplane noises.
However, when I put my feet on the pedals they contact the arch of
my foot and the ball of my big toe hits the toe brake bar
. When I push the pedal in a natural motion to move the
rudder, the brake is depressed. My heal rests on the
floor, between the rudder pedal and the crossing
stiffening member. Is this the normal set up? We
don=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2t
have the seat cushions in yet, so that will elevate the
pilot forward and up some, but I don=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2t think
the geometry
of the knee will change much. I am five eleven (on a good
day) and my partner is over six feet. The general feel is
much bigger than I thought it would be. It seems much
roomier than a 150 and the nose is much higher when you
sit in it without cushions. We could easily adjust the
rudders pedals now, much harder later. My question is, does this
observation mean we have an issue or am I missing
something. Thanks phill
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| Subject: | Re: Leaking VDO fuel sender seals |
So to take the ethanol out of 24 gallons of gas you need 12 gallons of water. That's
not messy at all. And while you are correct that ethanol laced gas has less
power and efficiency it does increase octane and when you take it out of gas
the fuels octane is at best questionable.
Not to worry though I'm sure we will read all about it in an in-depth accident
investigation at some point.
ashontz wrote:
> http://www.fuel-testers.com/instructions_alcohol_fuel_test_kit.html
>
> Check the test kit. The process for ethanol removal is the same as the test kit.
Apparently 10cc of water is enough to dissolve all of the ethanol out of 20cc
of E10. I'm sure this is the method the guy at our local chapter was using
to remove ethanol from gas. Makes sense to me.
>
> http://www.fuel-testers.com/MPG_gas_efficiency_E10_ethanol.html
>
> And you're not really costing yourself any money either by getting rid of that
garbage ethanol, the ethanol just robs you of power and fuel efficiency by a
considerable amount.
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| Subject: | Re: Leaking VDO fuel sender seals |
What I gather though is, being that the PIC is federally licensed, and the Fed
doesn't require oxygenates in fuel, and the PIC is responsible for the safety
of his flight, the Fed rule should supercede a state mandate on an oxygenate provided
it meets octane requirements which is 91 octane or higher. Sounds like
a 93 mo-gas with the ethanol removed for a STC'd plane meets that requirement.
Plus, it's considerably cheaper. If anyone ever questioned it you could just
say that "during pre-flight I must have accidentally drained all the ethanol
out of the fuel, because man, I was standing there for an a hour trying to get
a clean sample due to all that garbage and condensate in the fuel." LOL
Gig Giacona wrote:
> In Texas that is probably true because there is no state requirement that fuel
meet the ASTM D-4814 specs. There are several states that do have that requirement.
>
> http://www.autofuelstc.com/autofuelstc/pa/LeadD-4814.html#anchor749413
>
> The Peterson aviation site has all the info on Auto Fuel STCs and you could ever
ask for.
>
>
>
> wjones(at)brazoriainet.co wrote:
> > In one of the classes for my IA renewal a couple years ago the FAA
> > instructor said that no auto fuel made since 1990 met the requirements of
> > the STCs for certified aircraft use .I can only believe that he knew what he
> > was talking about don't know for sure .You may want to check this out with
> > your local FAA .
> > Wade Jones South Texas
> > 601XL Franklin 0-235
> > ---
>
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| Subject: | Re: Leaking VDO fuel sender seals |
I think I'll just play it safe and run 100LL. That is after all what the guy who
built my engine suggested.
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| Subject: | Re: Leaking VDO fuel sender seals |
Gig, have you ever done a pre-flight and removed water from the bottom of a tank
drain in the little test cup? If so, then you've done this exact process already
hundreds of times except you didn't add the water. That gas that's on top
of the water is perfectly fine, that's why you feel safe going flying AFTER you've
removed the water from the bottom of the tanks and from the gascolator.
The ethanol is a water sponge. It sponges up all the water you added and then
the sponge falls to the bottom of the tank for easy removal, the excess water
also falls to the bottom of the tank, for easy removal as well, just like before
your pre-flight.
Gig Giacona wrote:
> So to take the ethanol out of 24 gallons of gas you need 12 gallons of water.
That's not messy at all. And while you are correct that ethanol laced gas has
less power and efficiency it does increase octane and when you take it out of
gas the fuels octane is at best questionable.
>
> Not to worry though I'm sure we will read all about it in an in-depth accident
investigation at some point.
>
>
> ashontz wrote:
> > http://www.fuel-testers.com/instructions_alcohol_fuel_test_kit.html
> >
> > Check the test kit. The process for ethanol removal is the same as the test
kit. Apparently 10cc of water is enough to dissolve all of the ethanol out of
20cc of E10. I'm sure this is the method the guy at our local chapter was using
to remove ethanol from gas. Makes sense to me.
> >
> > http://www.fuel-testers.com/MPG_gas_efficiency_E10_ethanol.html
> >
> > And you're not really costing yourself any money either by getting rid of that
garbage ethanol, the ethanol just robs you of power and fuel efficiency by
a considerable amount.
>
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| Subject: | Re: Leaking VDO fuel sender seals |
Andy, I know we have had our differences on this list. But comparing draining water
out of the tanks to adding water too remove ethanol is without a doubt the
silliest thing I have ever seen you post.
When I drain the sumps I'm not reducing the octane of the fuel. Also, if it ever
takes me more than 2 or 3 testers full of fuel to get all the water out of a
tank I'm having all the fuel drained and start from scratch. I've had to do that
twice since I started flying and I was there when my Grandfather had them
drain all the fuel out of a LearJet because of it.
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| Subject: | Re: Leaking VDO fuel sender seals |
Actually it only takes about 0.5% water to cause phase separation of
E10, so for 24 gallons of E10 you would need just about a pint of
water. Unfortunately, I seriously doubt that the gasoline will meet
its stated octane rating without the alcohol. Higher octane gasoline
is more expensive, so the oil companies will probably produce the
lowest octane gas they can and bring it up to its stated rating by
adding the alcohol. If your engine can run on regular gas and you use
this method to remove alcohol from premium gas, you might get away
with it. For me, if I can't find alcohol free auto gas, I will use
100LL avgas. Since the state of Michigan mandated on January 1st this
year that all auto gasoline sold here must be contaminated with at
least 10% alcohol, I've been burning nothing but avgas in my plane.
On Sep 4, 2008, at 5:11 PM, Gig Giacona wrote:
>
> So to take the ethanol out of 24 gallons of gas you need 12 gallons
> of water. That's not messy at all. And while you are correct that
> ethanol laced gas has less power and efficiency it does increase
> octane and when you take it out of gas the fuels octane is at best
> questionable.
>
> Not to worry though I'm sure we will read all about it in an in-
> depth accident investigation at some point.
>
>
> ashontz wrote:
>> http://www.fuel-testers.com/instructions_alcohol_fuel_test_kit.html
>>
>> Check the test kit. The process for ethanol removal is the same as
>> the test kit. Apparently 10cc of water is enough to dissolve all of
>> the ethanol out of 20cc of E10. I'm sure this is the method the guy
>> at our local chapter was using to remove ethanol from gas. Makes
>> sense to me.
>>
>> http://www.fuel-testers.com/MPG_gas_efficiency_E10_ethanol.html
>>
>> And you're not really costing yourself any money either by getting
>> rid of that garbage ethanol, the ethanol just robs you of power and
>> fuel efficiency by a considerable amount.
>
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| Subject: | Re: Leaking VDO fuel sender seals |
That's what this chemical engineer guy was doing. And that's how the test kit is
determining the amount of ethanol in the E10, by forcing it out of solution
and then comparing the the level vs what the deliniation line SHOULD be between
the 10cc of water and the 20 cc of pure fuel. With pure fuel, that deliniation
line would be at 10cc. If there's 10% ethanol (E10) then the line would show
up at 12cc. Correct? How's that silly? That's how the test kit works. You drain
water out of the gascolator. Correct. and the water lays at the bottom of
the tank so you can drain it, correct? So what's the difference between that and
adding water to fuel, letting it settle and in the process soak the ethanol
out of solution and then draining all that crap out? That's something your wife
does every Thanksgiving when she takes the turkey drippings, lets them sit
and then takes the baster and skins the fat off the top, except in reverse.
Gig Giacona wrote:
> Andy, I know we have had our differences on this list. But comparing draining
water out of the tanks to adding water too remove ethanol is without a doubt
the silliest thing I have ever seen you post.
>
> When I drain the sumps I'm not reducing the octane of the fuel. Also, if it ever
takes me more than 2 or 3 testers full of fuel to get all the water out of
a tank I'm having all the fuel drained and start from scratch. I've had to do
that twice since I started flying and I was there when my Grandfather had them
drain all the fuel out of a LearJet because of it.
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| Subject: | Re: Leaking VDO fuel sender seals |
Bryan, thanks for chiming in. It would indeed work. I knw what you're saying about
the octane rating, but in one of those links it stated that certain high octane
rated gasolines had their octane before the contaminant (ethanol) was added
and hence would not effect the octane rating after separation.
bryanmmartin wrote:
> Actually it only takes about 0.5% water to cause phase separation of
> E10, so for 24 gallons of E10 you would need just about a pint of
> water. Unfortunately, I seriously doubt that the gasoline will meet
> its stated octane rating without the alcohol. Higher octane gasoline
> is more expensive, so the oil companies will probably produce the
> lowest octane gas they can and bring it up to its stated rating by
> adding the alcohol. If your engine can run on regular gas and you use
> this method to remove alcohol from premium gas, you might get away
> with it. For me, if I can't find alcohol free auto gas, I will use
> 100LL avgas. Since the state of Michigan mandated on January 1st this
> year that all auto gasoline sold here must be contaminated with at
> least 10% alcohol, I've been burning nothing but avgas in my plane.
>
> On Sep 4, 2008, at 5:11 PM, Gig Giacona wrote:
>
>
> >
> >
> > So to take the ethanol out of 24 gallons of gas you need 12 gallons
> > of water. That's not messy at all. And while you are correct that
> > ethanol laced gas has less power and efficiency it does increase
> > octane and when you take it out of gas the fuels octane is at best
> > questionable.
> >
> > Not to worry though I'm sure we will read all about it in an in-
> > depth accident investigation at some point.
> >
> >
> > ashontz wrote:
> > > http://www.fuel-testers.com/instructions_alcohol_fuel_test_kit.html
> > >
> > > Check the test kit. The process for ethanol removal is the same as
> > > the test kit. Apparently 10cc of water is enough to dissolve all of
> > > the ethanol out of 20cc of E10. I'm sure this is the method the guy
> > > at our local chapter was using to remove ethanol from gas. Makes
> > > sense to me.
> > >
> > > http://www.fuel-testers.com/MPG_gas_efficiency_E10_ethanol.html
> > >
> > > And you're not really costing yourself any money either by getting
> > > rid of that garbage ethanol, the ethanol just robs you of power and
> > > fuel efficiency by a considerable amount.
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Bryan Martin
> N61BM, CH 601 XL,
> RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.
> do not archive.
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| Subject: | Ride in a 601 HDS |
Hello Group.
I am looking to take a ride in a 601 HDS. I have about 5 hours of
instruction in a 601 HD but I would like to try the 601 HDS. I live in
northern NY, about 70 miles north of Syracuse. I am willing to travel a
bit to get the ride.
Regards,
Damien Graham
Watertown, NY
dgraham7@twcny.rr.com
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| Subject: | Re: Leaking VDO fuel sender seals |
I'd like to be able to safely burn whatever fuel is available. If 100ll is available,
that'll be my first choice.
But what if it isn't available? I'd like to have the flexibility to use auto gas
(that might or might not have ethanol in it) if I need to.
We don't know what the fuel availability will be a few years from now. We should
build our fuel systems today for what we might encounter in the future.
- Pat
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