---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 09/09/08: 15 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:10 AM - Ride to ZAC open house? (kkinney) 2. 07:33 AM - Circuit breakers (wade jones) 3. 07:46 AM - Re: Circuit breakers (Beckman, Rick) 4. 07:50 AM - Re: Circuit breakers (John Davis) 5. 07:51 AM - Re: Circuit breakers (Bill Steer) 6. 09:08 AM - Re: Circuit breakers (Gig Giacona) 7. 09:29 AM - Re: A couple questions about the 650 or XL (Gig Giacona) 8. 12:48 PM - Re: Circuit breakers (george may) 9. 01:03 PM - Fuel management (Chuck Deiterich) 10. 02:55 PM - Re: Circuit breakers (Gig Giacona) 11. 03:32 PM - Re: Circuit breakers (George Race) 12. 03:42 PM - Re: Circuit breakers (wade jones) 13. 05:35 PM - Re: Circuit breakers (leinad) 14. 06:57 PM - Re: Re: Circuit breakers (burbby) 15. 09:19 PM - Re: Re: Circuit breakers (Craig Payne) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:10:10 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Ride to ZAC open house? From: "kkinney" I plan on going to the ZAC open house on 9/20. Is there anyone with an empty seat passing through Cincinnati, OH? Regards, Kevin Kinney Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 3366#203366 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:33:10 AM PST US From: "wade jones" Subject: Zenith-List: Circuit breakers Hello group ,I am working on my instrument panel and need some advise on what type of circuit breakers most of you are using . Is there an alternative to the more expensive aircraft type . Thanks Wade Jones South Texas 601XL Franklin 0-235 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:46:37 AM PST US Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Circuit breakers From: "Beckman, Rick" Wade, you might want to check with Marc Dickensheets at www.whiteindustries.com . They usually have a big assortment of breakers Rick Do not archive. Hello group ,I am working on my instrument panel and need some advise on what type of circuit breakers most of you are using . Is there an alternative to the more expensive aircraft type . Thanks Wade Jones South Texas 601XL Franklin 0-235 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:50:35 AM PST US From: John Davis Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Circuit breakers Hi Wade, One much less costly alternative is to use fuses instead of circuit breakers. That's what I have used in my plane. Bob Nuckolls at Aeroelectric Connection is a fan of fuses, here's an article he wrote in Sport Plane aviation: http://www.aeroelectric.com/articles/fuseorcb.html John Davis Burnsville, NC (7A8 Morrison Field/Avery County) 601XL - Jab 3300 wade jones wrote: > Hello group ,I am working on my instrument panel and need some advise > on what type of circuit breakers most of you are using . Is there an > alternative to the more expensive aircraft type > . Thanks Wade Jones > South Texas > 601XL Franklin 0-235 > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:51:18 AM PST US From: Bill Steer Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Circuit breakers Per the recommendation of Aeroelectric, and to save weight, I used fuses for everything but the alternator field circuit in my 601HD/Stratus. Bill wade jones wrote: > Hello group ,I am working on my instrument panel and need some advise > on what type of circuit breakers most of you are using . Is there an > alternative to the more expensive aircraft type > . Thanks Wade Jones > South Texas > 601XL Franklin 0-235 > * > * ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:08:42 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Circuit breakers From: "Gig Giacona" I putting together an order now and B & C seems to have the best price to quality ratio I've found. bandc.biz is the website. wjones(at)brazoriainet.co wrote: > Hello group ,I am working on my instrument panel and need some advise on what type of circuit breakers most of you are using . Is there an alternative to the more expensive aircraft type . Thanks Wade Jones South Texas > 601XL Franklin 0-235 > -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 3395#203395 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:29:05 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: A couple questions about the 650 or XL From: "Gig Giacona" Welcome, Funny that you should ask that question. I was just about to write a post asking the question, "Was the 650 a good idea for Zenith?" The reason I was going to ask the question is because in light of the proposed new rules replacing the old 51% rule the 650 kit doesn't fall under the pre-approval that the 601XL does. The quick-build kit for the 601XL is grandfathered in but if they were to sell a 650 quick-build kit it doesn't look like it would qualify under the new check list system. I'm not even 100% sure a slow build kit, if made like the current 601 kits are made, would qualify under the proposed checklist system. As far as your concerns with structural issues. Glance through what has been written in this forum. (There is plenty.) But really pay attention to what people who know what they are talking about have written. (Chris Heintz, William Wynne) And as Carlos mentioned there is the ZBAG forum. fresnor wrote: > Dear community,... > > 1) Do you know if the 650 will have a quickbuild kit anytime soon? If not, would it be better to go with the XL and 650 updates? or maybe just slow build 650? > > -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 3399#203399 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 12:48:48 PM PST US From: george may Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Circuit breakers Wade-- All good suggestions so far. Another alternative is the EXP Power distrib ution panel. It uses thermal resettable breakers along with main breaker an d power distribution on a PC board George May 601XL 912s From: wjones@brazoriainet.comTo: zenith-list@matronics.comSubject: Zenith-L ist: Circuit breakersDate: Tue=2C 9 Sep 2008 09:29:27 -0500 Hello group =2CI am working on my instrument panel and need some advise on what type of circuit breakers most of you are using . Is there an alternati ve to the more expensive aircraft type . Thanks Wade Jones South Texas601XL Franklin 0-235 _________________________________________________________________ Stay up to date on your PC=2C the Web=2C and your mobile phone with Windows Live. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 01:03:41 PM PST US From: "Chuck Deiterich" Subject: Zenith-List: Fuel management I have two wing tanks and no header tank. I have a cutoff valve for each tank. I will take off on a tank as long as it is over half full. I switch to the lesser full tank for cruise. I land with the fullest tank if one is less than half full. Unporting the fuel tank pickup during nose down and especially a side slip for a crosswind landing is very unlikely. Only when one tank has been filled to the brim, will I open both valves to transfer a bit of fuel to the lesser tank. Switching in flight both valves are open, but only momentarily. Chuck D. N701TX ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 02:55:52 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Circuit breakers From: "Gig Giacona" They are kinda cool. So cool in fact I bought one. I then started looking at my power and switch needs and realized it wasn't the best option for my plane. I sold here to somebody. gfmjr_20(at)HOTMAIL.COM wrote: > Wade-- > All good suggestions so far. Another alternative is the EXP Power distribution panel. It uses thermal resettable breakers along with main breaker and power distribution on a PC board > > George May > 601XL 912s > -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 3449#203449 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 03:32:51 PM PST US From: "George Race" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Circuit breakers Hi Wade: I ended up with 11 different circuit breakers in my panel and I did not combine any pieces of equipment. They range in size from 1 amp to 15 amp. I felt it was much more efficient, and of course costly, to use breakers rather than fuses. Nothing to me is worse than trying to find the right size spare and insert it in the socket, especially while in flight. I did want aircraft quality breakers of either the push-pull type or push-push type. Both types have an indicating ring when tripped that you can easily see on the panel. I ended up purchasing them from Allied Electronics after a lot of looking for a good price on the web. Depending on their amperage they average around $15.00 each. The ones that I am using are the push-push type of breaker. Here is a link to one of the spec sheets: http://www.alliedelec.com/Search/ProductDetail.aspx?SKU=6770197 &MPN=2-5700-IG1-K10-DD-2A&R=6770197&SEARCH=6770197&DESC=2-5700-IG1-K10-DD-2A That particular one is a 2A breaker, and they do have screw terminals, which was another on of my requirements. Another place to look that I know has a lot of great panel building stuff, including breakers, is SteinAir. They have very good prices on a lot of stuff including the Grand Rapids EIS. Check out their web site at: http://www.steinair.com/home.htm they have a pile of stuff for home builders. George N73EX FLYING _____ Subject: Zenith-List: Circuit breakers Hello group ,I am working on my instrument panel and need some advise on what type of circuit breakers most of you are using . Is there an alternative to the more expensive aircraft type . Thanks Wade Jones South Texas 601XL Franklin 0-235 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 03:42:29 PM PST US From: "wade jones" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Circuit breakers Hello group ,and what a nice group .Thanks for all the responses I received on the circuit breakers .I have decided to follow Bill & John's advise and use fuses instead of breakers .Today went to Radio Shack and bought them for $1.98 each .Thanks again Wade Jones South Texas 601XL Franklin 0-235 ----- Original Message ----- From: John Davis To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 9:42 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Circuit breakers Hi Wade, One much less costly alternative is to use fuses instead of circuit breakers. That's what I have used in my plane. Bob Nuckolls at Aeroelectric Connection is a fan of fuses, here's an article he wrote in Sport Plane aviation: http://www.aeroelectric.com/articles/fuseorcb.html John Davis Burnsville, NC (7A8 Morrison Field/Avery County) 601XL - Jab 3300 wade jones wrote: Hello group ,I am working on my instrument panel and need some advise on what type of circuit breakers most of you are using . Is there an alternative to the more expensive aircraft type . Thanks Wade Jones South Texas 601XL Franklin 0-235 href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List">http://www.matron ics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ontribution ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 05:35:07 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Circuit breakers From: "leinad" While we're on the subject of fuses, has anyone had any experience with the "if it glows it blows" fuses? These have a little LED that lights if the fuse is blown. I've been thinking about switching to them. I believe they come in the regular blade format. Dan -------- Scratch building XL with Corvair Engine Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 3468#203468 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 06:57:47 PM PST US From: burbby Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Circuit breakers Leinad - I work in a power plant.-- We use the fuses that you are describing.- They work very well.-- If and when a fuse blowes a LED will light and stay lighted until the fuse is replaced or power is removed.-- The only problem is the fuses we have are metric sizes and a little harder to find. -- Radio Shack sells the common sizes.-- I don't know how they will hold up in a plane with viberation and changing humidity- all the time.-- But in a panel in a control room they work with no problems. - Hope this helps some. - Gary --- On Tue, 9/9/08, leinad wrote: From: leinad Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Circuit breakers While we're on the subject of fuses, has anyone had any experience with the "if it glows it blows" fuses? These have a little LED that lights if the fuse is blown. I've been thinking about switching to them. I believe they come in the regular blade format. Dan -------- Scratch building XL with Corvair Engine Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 3468#203468 =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:19:36 PM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Circuit breakers Van's designed the LED fuses into the panel of the RV-12: http://www.vansaircraft.com/images/RV-12/N412RV/switch_fuse.jpg Waytek sells them: http://order.waytekwire.com/CGI-BIN/LANSAWEB?WEBEVENT+L0F97D51B02C36000FDF90 82+M37+ENG Or click on products -> circuit protection -> fuses-blade type -> ATO/ATC FUSES-LIGHT WHEN BLOWN 46280 LED BLADE TYPE FUSE ATO/ATC, 3 AMP VIOLET (12 VOLTS) EA 0.4480 46281 LED BLADE TYPE FUSE ATO/ATC, 5 AMP AMBER (12 VOLTS) EA 0.4480 46282 LED BLADE TYPE FUSE ATO/ATC, 7.5 AMP BROWN (12 VOLTS) EA 0.4480 46283 LED BLADE TYPE FUSE ATO/ATC, 10 AMP RED (12 VOLTS) EA 0.4480 46284 LED BLADE TYPE FUSE ATO/ATC, 15 AMP BLUE (12 VOLTS) EA 0.4480 46285 LED BLADE TYPE FUSE ATO/ATC, 20 AMP YELLOW (12 VOLTS) EA 0.4480 46286 LED BLADE TYPE FUSE ATO/ATC, 25 AMP NATURAL (12 VOLTS) EA 0.4480 46287 LED BLADE TYPE FUSE ATO/ATC, 30 AMP GREEN (12 VOLTS) EA 0.4480 -- Craig -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of leinad Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 6:34 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Circuit breakers While we're on the subject of fuses, has anyone had any experience with the "if it glows it blows" fuses? These have a little LED that lights if the fuse is blown. I've been thinking about switching to them. I believe they come in the regular blade format. Dan -------- Scratch building XL with Corvair Engine Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 3468#203468 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message zenith-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Zenith-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/zenith-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/zenith-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.