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1. 05:57 AM - Heading to the Open Hangar from Dallas 9/19-9/20 Open Seats (MHerder)
2. 06:08 AM - Saturday, September 20, 2008. (Beckman, Rick)
3. 11:27 AM - sound proofing and or insulation (Joe)
4. 11:38 AM - Re: sound proofing and or insulation (John Davis)
5. 11:53 AM - Leftover Parts for Sale (macleod@eagle.ca)
6. 12:09 PM - Re: sound proofing and or insulation (Gig Giacona)
7. 12:17 PM - Floor Covering (Gig Giacona)
8. 12:18 PM - Re: Re: sound proofing and or insulation (John Davis)
9. 12:50 PM - Re: Floor Covering (annken100)
10. 01:02 PM - Re: Floor Covering (Gig Giacona)
11. 01:19 PM - Re: Re: Floor Covering (Keith Ashcraft)
12. 01:29 PM - Re: Floor Covering (annken100)
13. 01:32 PM - New website with cool stuff.... (william Clapp)
14. 01:43 PM - Re: Re: Floor Covering (Ken Arnold)
15. 02:17 PM - Re: sound proofing and or insulation (LarryMcFarland)
16. 02:25 PM - Re: Floor Covering (LarryMcFarland)
17. 02:32 PM - Re: Re: Floor Covering (LarryMcFarland)
18. 04:07 PM - Re: sound proofing and or insulation (Dave Austin)
19. 05:44 PM - Re: Floor Covering (BobTezyk)
20. 05:56 PM - Re: Floor Covering (leinad)
21. 07:06 PM - NEW Jabiru 3300 in crate for sale (swater6)
22. 08:27 PM - Re: Heading to the Open Hangar from Dallas 9/19-9/20 Open Seats (Danny Offill)
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| Subject: | Heading to the Open Hangar from Dallas 9/19-9/20 Open Seats |
Just wanted to let y'all (yes I'm from Texas) know that I'll be departing (driving
unfortunately) from Dallas area on Friday, hopefully in time to attend the
dinner on Friday night. And should be departing MO 1PM or 2PM on Saturday.
I'm a little flexible with times so shoot me a message if you're interested in
heading up there.
I should be in a truck so should also have some capacity for any goodies you may
pick up.
Let me know.
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| Subject: | Saturday, September 20, 2008. |
I will be at the Open Hangar on Saturday, too. Hope to meet many
of you there. My sidekick ,Phil, will be there, too! We're from the KC
area. I was hoping to fly down this year, but too many things came up to
deter my building time. Next year, for sure! See Ya there!!
Rick Beckman
Zodie Rocket XL
Midwest Mudworks
N-52EB
729 MSL and sinking
www.sharbo.us/thebird
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| Subject: | sound proofing and or insulation |
the only thing i have seen on the above was in the june 07 issue of kit
planes.
they used foam rubber. does any one have any sugestions .
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| Subject: | Re: sound proofing and or insulation |
Hi Joe,
Aircraft Spruce carries a variety of insulating and soundproofing
materials. In my 601 I used 'The Insulator'
(http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/insulator.php) and it
seems to work well.
John Davis
601 XL - Waiting for final inspection...
Burnsville, NC
Joe wrote:
> the only thing i have seen on the above was in the june 07 issue of
> kit planes.
> they used foam rubber. does any one have any sugestions .
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| Subject: | Leftover Parts for Sale |
List:
The plane is finally in the paint shop, hopefully it will soon be in the air.
Now that my garage, living room, basement workshop and family room are
almost clear of parts I find that I have many items left that I did not
use so I am putting them up for sale.
I found that when you get parts from Zenith, Zenair and Zenair Europe
there are overlaps in what each supplies.
I am selling the parts for about 2/3 of the Zenith or Aircraft Spruce
price, shipping will be extra. Contact me off list if you are interested
in any of this stuff.
Part # Description # Mikes Price
6B9-3 Toe brake pedals 2 $24.00
6G3-1 Main Landing Gear 1 $500.00
6G3-4 Main Gear Support 2 7.00
6K2-1 Support Channel 1 14.00
6K2-2 Center Console 1 8.00
ACS 05-09436 A-820 friction lock throttle 1 33.00
ACS A-740-BLK 6 foot rachet control 3 53.00 or 17.70 each
FS 20f3-F Andair fuel selector model 3 1 142.00
MC-5 Matco MC-5 brake cylinders 2 108.00
P 10048 Facet 40105 Fuel pump 1 28.00
I have no idea what the following dual throttle parts are worth, or even
if they fit a non-rotax installation. If you think you can use them I can
send you a copy of the European assembly guide which shows how they are
used. Make me an offer.
Zenair Part # Description #
6UL-10-1 throttle bracket 1
6UL-10-2 throttle bearing 1
6UL-10-4 throttle rod 1
6UL-10-5 throttle attach doubler 2
6UL-10-6 throttle attachment 2
6UL-10-7 throttle rod holding ring 1
6UL-10-8 incombustable cloth 1
6UL-10-10 choke cable connector 1
6UL-11-4 air box bracket for Rotax 1
6UL-11-5 oil resevoir bracket Rotax 1
6UL-11-6 overflow bottle bracket 1
6UL-12-1 gascolator (European style) 1
I will ship UPS from Oshawa Ontario (for reference the UPS store quoted
$70 to ship the main landing gear to California)
Mike
macleod@eagle.ca
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| Subject: | Re: sound proofing and or insulation |
John, did you use the single foil sided or double sided?
johnd(at)data-tech.com wrote:
> Hi Joe,
>
> Aircraft Spruce carries a variety of insulating and soundproofing materials. In my 601 I used 'The Insulator' (http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/insulator.php (http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/insulator.php)) and it seems to work well.
>
> John Davis
> 601 XL - Waiting for final inspection...
> Burnsville, NC
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601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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Joe post about insulation made me think of a question I've been meaning to ask.
Is anyone putting in any sort of floor covering in their plane?
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W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | Re: sound proofing and or insulation |
Hi Gig,
I used the double sided material on the cabin side of the firewall.
John
Gig Giacona wrote:
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> John, did you use the single foil sided or double sided?
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> johnd(at)data-tech.com wrote:
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>> Hi Joe,
>>
>> Aircraft Spruce carries a variety of insulating and soundproofing materials. In my 601 I used 'The Insulator' (http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/insulator.php (http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/insulator.php)) and it seems to work well.
>>
>> John Davis
>> 601 XL - Waiting for final inspection...
>> Burnsville, NC
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> W.R. "Gig" Giacona
> 601XL Under Construction
> See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | Re: Floor Covering |
I bought a carpet runner made to go down the center of minivans. I cut it up into
pieces that fit the floor in front of each seat and a piece that fits the
heel support. I fastened the pieces with snaps. The male snaps are riveted to
the floor and the female snaps are crimped on the carpet. The runner has a
light rubber backing with a low pile carpet. The carpet doesn't unravel when
you cut it.
Ken
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601 XL / Corvair
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| Subject: | Re: Floor Covering |
Did you happen to weigh it by any chance?
annken100 wrote:
> I bought a carpet runner made to go down the center of minivans. I cut it up
into pieces that fit the floor in front of each seat and a piece that fits the
heel support. I fastened the pieces with snaps. The male snaps are riveted
to the floor and the female snaps are crimped on the carpet. The runner has
a light rubber backing with a low pile carpet. The carpet doesn't unravel when
you cut it.
>
> Ken
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W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | Re: Floor Covering |
Gig,
I have found some re-cycled material at Wal-mart in the automotive section.
It reminds me of outdoor/kitchen carpet. I have been thinking about using
that.
Can't remember the specifics, (weight, size, price), but a trip down to the
store might be worth a look.
Keith
CH701 -- scratch
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Gig Giacona wrote:
to:wrgiacona@gmail.com>
Did you happen to weigh it by any chance?
annken100 wrote:
I bought a carpet runner made to go down the center of minivans. I cut it
up into pieces that fit the floor in front of each seat and a piece that fi
ts the heel support. I fastened the pieces with snaps. The male snaps are
riveted to the floor and the female snaps are crimped on the carpet. The
runner has a light rubber backing with a low pile carpet. The carpet doesn
't unravel when you cut it.
Ken
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W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR<http://www.peoamerica.net/N601
WR>
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| Subject: | Re: Floor Covering |
Gig,
No I didn't weigh them. But since you asked, I went to the plane and weighed them.
The grand total is 17.5 ounces. This includes the carpet and 24 female
snaps. Add about another 0.5 ounces for the male snaps in the plane.
Ken
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| Subject: | New website with cool stuff.... |
Here is a new company with some cool stuff related to you Zenith guys (and
gals).- Enjoy! www.aeromaxaviation.com.--
Bill Clapp - KR2S builder and pilot
Valdosta GA
www.billclapp.com=0A=0A=0A
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| Subject: | Re: Floor Covering |
Should the covering be fire resistant?
Ken
CH701 N701LK
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From: Keith Ashcraft
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 4:18 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Floor Covering
Gig,
I have found some re-cycled material at Wal-mart in the automotive
section. It reminds me of outdoor/kitchen carpet. I have been thinking
about using that.
Can't remember the specifics, (weight, size, price), but a trip down
to the store might be worth a look.
Keith
CH701 -- scratch
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Gig Giacona wrote:
Did you happen to weigh it by any chance?
annken100 wrote:
I bought a carpet runner made to go down the center of minivans. I
cut it up into pieces that fit the floor in front of each seat and a
piece that fits the heel support. I fastened the pieces with snaps.
The male snaps are riveted to the floor and the female snaps are crimped
on the carpet. The runner has a light rubber backing with a low pile
carpet. The carpet doesn't unravel when you cut it.
Ken
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W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | Re: sound proofing and or insulation |
Hi Joe,
I recently went thru the soundproofing process using the "fireproof
foam" from
Aircraft Spruce. Not a difficult job. My Journal Section 12 in October
covers
the experience rather well and the test that followed. I am very
satisfied having
done this, as it did quiet the plane considerably. Hit the link below
and spool down to
Oct 27 - 28 and you'll see a page or so of how I did it.
www.macsmachine.com/html/journal12.htm
Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
Joe wrote:
> the only thing i have seen on the above was in the june 07 issue of
> kit planes.
> they used foam rubber. does any one have any sugestions .
> *
> *
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| Subject: | Re: Floor Covering |
HI Gig,
I put 3/8-inch soundproofing foam on the floor from firewall to seats
and a light carpet on that
which puts the heal channel nearly flush with it. That improved the
sound level as much as any of it..
Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
Gig Giacona wrote:
>
> Joe post about insulation made me think of a question I've been meaning to ask.
Is anyone putting in any sort of floor covering in their plane?
>
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> W.R. "Gig" Giacona
> 601XL Under Construction
> See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
>
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 3662#203662
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| Subject: | Re: Floor Covering |
Hi Ken,
I'd suggest burning a bit of it first. Some of these will burn intensely
or give off
poisonous fumes and some will not support a flame.
Should be fire resistant if you ever "plan to have" a fire in the plane.
Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
Ken Arnold wrote:
> Should the covering be fire resistant?
> Ken
> CH701 N701LK
>
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| Subject: | Re: sound proofing and or insulation |
IMOO, I'd use nothing that would burn, smolder, smoke or give off toxic
gasses.
Dave Austin 601HDS - 912
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| Subject: | Re: Floor Covering |
For those of you fortunate to live near an aircraft manufacturing plant, consider
contacting them about buying their interior scraps and leftovers.
When I was working for Learjet, I was able to obtain $400/ yard carpet and $600
leather for $50 a bag (1982 prices). Each shipset bag contained enough matching
leftovers from a Lear 35 or 45 to re-do 2 or 3 four place general aviation
aircraft. It was all treated with flame retardant to FAR specs.
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Regards,
Bob Tezyk
N78QT - 601XL QB/ Jab3300
Working on Horizontal Stabilizer
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| Subject: | Re: Floor Covering |
Gig,
I used automotive trunk liner. It's very light weight carpet. I tested it for
flammability. I had to hold it directly in the flame of my gas stove before
it would light. When it did it smoldered more than burned and didn't give off
much smoke, but did burn. I filled in the areas around the heel support with
sound proofing mat from ACS, and then put the trunk liner over that, giving the
floor a level appearance. You get this stuff at most autoparts stores.
Dan
Gig Giacona wrote:
> Joe post about insulation made me think of a question I've been meaning to ask.
Is anyone putting in any sort of floor covering in their plane?
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| Subject: | NEW Jabiru 3300 in crate for sale |
Greetings,
I've decided to stop building my project and have a brand new Jabiru to get rid
of. Engine was delivered in February and is still in the crate undisturbed and
still in the shrink wrap.
The current new price from Jabiru USA is $18,400. I bought this just before the
price increased so I will sell it for what I paid for which is $15,900. Buyer
pays shipping. (Shipping from TN to Minneapolis was about $200)
Ad is on barnstormers http://www.barnstormers.com/cat.php?mode=search
Conact me on this board, through Barnstormers or through my site under the signature.
I'll be listing my 75% complete 601XL airframe in a few days :( so stay tuned.
Scott
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601 XL kit N596SW reserved
Tail, control surfaces and both wings complete. Now working on fuselage
www.scottwaters.com
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| Subject: | Heading to the Open Hangar from Dallas 9/19-9/20 Open |
Seats
Mherder,
I live about 50 miles north of Dallas (Van Alstyne) and plan to drive to the
open hangar as well. Originally I was going to fly my Cessna 150 like last
year but I'm going in for knee surgery in the morning and don't think I'll
be up to flying that far so soon.
Hope to see you there if I can make the trip.
Danny Offill
972-369-6943
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of MHerder
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 7:57 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Heading to the Open Hangar from Dallas 9/19-9/20 Open
Seats
Just wanted to let y'all (yes I'm from Texas) know that I'll be departing
(driving unfortunately) from Dallas area on Friday, hopefully in time to
attend the dinner on Friday night. And should be departing MO 1PM or 2PM on
Saturday. I'm a little flexible with times so shoot me a message if you're
interested in heading up there.
I should be in a truck so should also have some capacity for any goodies
you may pick up.
Let me know.
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