---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 09/16/08: 20 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:33 AM - Re: Cable Swaging tool (jaybannist@cs.com) 2. 06:33 AM - Re: Drilling canopy (Bill Steer) 3. 07:27 AM - Re: Drilling Canopy (John Goodings) 4. 07:29 AM - Re: Drilling canopy (Gig Giacona) 5. 07:53 AM - Re: Cable Swaging tool (T. Graziano) 6. 08:05 AM - Re: Cable Swaging tool (Bryan Martin) 7. 08:19 AM - Re: Re: Drilling canopy (Bill Steer) 8. 09:11 AM - Re: XL - Rear Top Skin & 650 Canopy ? (Gig Giacona) 9. 09:20 AM - Re: Cable Swaging tool (steve) 10. 10:52 AM - Re: XL - Rear Top Skin & 650 Canopy ? (PatrickW) 11. 11:07 AM - Re: XL - Rear Top Skin & 650 Canopy ? (Gig Giacona) 12. 03:39 PM - Re: Drilling canopy (Craig Spainhower) 13. 03:42 PM - Re: Cable Swaging tool (Bill Naumuk) 14. 04:21 PM - Re: Cable Swaging tool (steve) 15. 07:27 PM - Detroit FSDO Inspection (Tim Juhl) 16. 07:34 PM - Re: Detroit FSDO Inspection (LHusky@aol.com) 17. 07:39 PM - Re: Detroit FSDO Inspection (steve) 18. 08:02 PM - Re: Detroit FSDO Inspection (Bryan Martin) 19. 08:33 PM - Re: Detroit FSDO Inspection. (Gary Gower) 20. 09:38 PM - Re: Detroit FSDO Inspection. (LHusky@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:33:31 AM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Cable Swaging tool From: jaybannist@cs.com Rich, The shown swager (bolt type) is what I used for all my cables. The alternative tools (big pliers type) are a LOT more expensive. You might be able to borrow one of those. They are quicker and more positive. However, the bolt type can be used in more confined places where there might not be enough room to use the big pliiers type. Jay in Dallas -----Original Message----- From: Rich Simmons <4RCSIMMONS@comcast.net> Sent: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 9:02 pm Subject: Zenith-List: Cable Swaging tool http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/topages/swageit.php The above is a swagging kit from Aircraft spruce. From those who have hit the cable rigging point in building, is this enough. Any suggestion for other tools that will accomplish the same inexpensively? Do not archive -- Thanks, Rich Simmons ________________________________________________________________________ Email message sent from CompuServe - visit us today at http://www.cs.com ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:33:41 AM PST US From: Bill Steer Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Drilling canopy I agree. The melted material will "pile up" around the edges of the hole and the size of the hole will be inconsistent. I started each hole with a 1/8" plexiglass bit I got from ACS and then opened them up with a unibit in a variable speed drill. I actually tried a 1/4" plexiglass bit I got at the same time from ACS, but it seemed to want to grab the plexiglass, so I went with the unibit. Bill John Smith wrote: > I don't think you can consistently "burn" correctly sized cylindrical > holes with the hot rod. Try burning a few holes with scrape > plexiglass and you'll what I am talking about. I use unibit drill bit > in high speed drill with good results. > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Bill Naumuk > To: zenith-list@matronics.com > Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 6:31:43 PM > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Drilling canopy > > > > > Just a thought, because I'm agonizing over cracking my canopy while > drilling > myself. Why not heat up a rod of the correct size with a propane torch > and > just melt through in the first place? > Another Bill > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:27:32 AM PST US From: John Goodings Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Drilling Canopy There are many replies, and everyone's an expert! Let me give my thoughts. Consider the whole job; I haven't seen the latest instructions from Zenair, and my remarks may be repetitious. Presumably, you will use stainless steel screws, 16 threads per inch into the framing tubes, oval heads with cup washers with O-rings that fit under the cup washers. In the 9/32" holes, cut and insert little rings of teflon/polyethylene or other firm plastic cut from a piece of tubing of 1/4" O.D., about 1/8" I.D. that the screws will go through. Everything is cushioned; there is ample clearance around the little teflon rings which are surrounded by a "layer of air" to allow the canopy material to move a bit. BUT to make the 9/32" holes, I wouldn't dream of using a step drill. Use a special plastic drill (with the corners "relieved") to drill the 1/4" holes, and then use a 1/4" round file to gently increase the hole size. Finish sanding each hole with very fine sandpaper, and gently bevel the edge of each hole. Under a magnifying glass, all the hole edges should be really smooth. The entire operation of what I'm talking about would take about 3 hours. I did this on the advice of an expert builder. I had seen many 601s, nearly all of which had a crack or two at some of the canopy holes. There is not a hint of a crack anywhere on our canopy after 5 years, temperatures from -30 to +110 degrees F. Ours is the side-opening canopy without a metal skirt - just tubes and lucite canopy. John Goodings, C-FGPJ, CH601HD with R912S, Carp/Ottawa/Toronto. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:29:45 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Drilling canopy From: "Gig Giacona" Where are you located Bill? What's the temp? The hotter it is the better when working with the canopy. steerr(at)bellsouth.net wrote: > I'm drilling the canopy for my 601HD. The instructions say to drill the > holes slightly larger than 1/4". What have folks been using for > "slightly larger?" The next size after 1/4" on my step drills is > 5/16". Is that acceptable? > > Thanks for any information. > > Bill -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 4573#204573 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:53:51 AM PST US From: "T. Graziano" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Cable Swaging tool Rich, That is the type nicropress tool I used. The "kit" I bought was in a yellow case, had sleeves, the swagger, and a gauge to ensure proper swaging for the size sleeve used, although if the swage tool was completely closed up on the swage, the swage was always OK per the gauge. It did not have a cable cutter. To cut the cable, I taped the area and used a dremal with a cut-off wheel. Tony Graziano XL/Jab; 419 hrs ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich Simmons" <4RCSIMMONS@comcast.net> Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 9:02 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Cable Swaging tool > > > http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/topages/swageit.php > > The above is a swagging kit from Aircraft spruce. From those who have hit > the cable rigging point in building, > is this enough. > > Any suggestion for other tools that will accomplish the same > inexpensively? > > Do not archive > -- > Thanks, > Rich Simmons > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:05:05 AM PST US From: Bryan Martin Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Cable Swaging tool I bought a brand new tool similar to this on eBay for about $50. It's made in China but it came with a go - no go gauge to check the resulting crimp. As long as the crimp is within tolerance, it doesn't matter how much you paid for the tool. If you don't have the go - no go gauge, you should definitely get one to check the crimps you make. The tool I have doesn't include a cable cutter but a cut-off wheel works better anyway. On Sep 16, 2008, at 12:57 AM, Gary Gower wrote: > Hello Rich: > > One point of view only. Do as you think is better. > > The only tool that will give good result, with LESS chance > s of incorrect swaging is this one: > > http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/topages/nicopresstool.php > > Yes, is expensive, more here in Mexico. I "had" to make a > special trip to Los Angeles then to Corona to buy it (with some > other "goodies" of course). > We did a colect with some of the builders in the area (8 of us) and > bought one. > > -- Bryan Martin N61BM, CH 601 XL, RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive. do not archive. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:19:12 AM PST US From: Bill Steer Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Drilling canopy You're right, Gig. I'm in North Carolina. Temps have been hovering around 80, warmer in the hangar. The canopy is nice and flexible at these temps. I'm fortunate that my warm season is longer than some. Bill Do not archive Gig Giacona wrote: > > Where are you located Bill? What's the temp? The hotter it is the better when working with the canopy. > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:11:38 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: XL - Rear Top Skin & 650 Canopy ? From: "Gig Giacona" With all this talk about adding the 650 mods to 601s made me think of an issue that might come up at AW inspection time. I would seem prudent to call the airplane or at least say it was built from a 601 kit because the 601 is on the 51% approved list and the 650 isn't. -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 4598#204598 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:20:43 AM PST US From: "steve" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Cable Swaging tool Seldom do I post here but I do watch discussions daily. This cable topic is dear to my heart..... I ve used both the "nico" press and also the small bolt together type of squeezers. The long handle press has been best. A no- go gauge is not required on this type of squeeze. With the bolt together type a go- no go gauge is highly recommeded. I have had cable failure with the bolt together type.. Some say I do an over kill on my fittings as I now always use two nico press sleeves on my cables. Ever notice cables on garage doors ??? If the installer used only one "U" bolt, you usually will have it slip...... Anyway, I vote for the long handle squeezer......... Now comes the cable tension.... Larry Mc has a home made gauge which I copied. The thing actually works! However my good friend has a real C-8 gauge. The thing cost $900 buckaroos. Man what a difference. I guess what most dont realize is that to own and maintain airplanes you need tools. Tools can set you back thousands of dollars but its nice to have equipment..... Jmo SW 601XL QBK N9554Z .. ----- Original Message ----- From: Bryan Martin To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 7:30 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Cable Swaging tool I bought a brand new tool similar to this on eBay for about $50. It's made in China but it came with a go - no go gauge to check the resulting crimp. As long as the crimp is within tolerance, it doesn't matter how much you paid for the tool. If you don't have the go - no go gauge, you should definitely get one to check the crimps you make. The tool I have doesn't include a cable cutter but a cut-off wheel works better anyway. On Sep 16, 2008, at 12:57 AM, Gary Gower wrote: Hello Rich: One point of view only. Do as you think is better. The only tool that will give good result, with LESS chance s of incorrect swaging is this one: http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/topages/nicopresstool.php Yes, is expensive, more here in Mexico. I "had" to make a special trip to Los Angeles then to Corona to buy it (with some other "goodies" of course). We did a colect with some of the builders in the area (8 of us) and bought one. -- Bryan Martin N61BM, CH 601 XL, RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive. do not archive. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:52:23 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: XL - Rear Top Skin & 650 Canopy ? From: "PatrickW" Agree. That's the reason I haven't done the "upgrade". I see little substantive difference between an "XL with a 650 canopy" vs a "650 with XL wings, XL rudder, and XL main gear", other than the paperwork. And the last thing I want to do after all this work is to put myself into some sort of paperwork limbo with the FAA.... BTW - here's the data plate on the 650 at Oshkosh. Says "XL". - Pat -------- Patrick 601XL/Corvair N63PZ (reserved) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 4625#204625 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:07:22 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: XL - Rear Top Skin & 650 Canopy ? From: "Gig Giacona" Very interesting picture. PatrickW wrote: > > > BTW - here's the data plate on the 650 at Oshkosh. Says "601". > > - Pat -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 4629#204629 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 03:39:51 PM PST US From: "Craig Spainhower" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Drilling canopy I started and drilled all my holes exclusively with a 1/2" unibit. I have a canopy from Toddscanopies so it may be stronger that the one ZAC used to supply, but I have a separate windshield so I drilled twice the number of holes as a stock canopy and never a hint of a crack anywhere. The design of the step drill makes it perfect for plastic. Other's results may vary, but I would never consider using anything other than a unibit. Craig S. N601XS, inspection rained out for this week, maybe next week. On 9/16/08, Bill Steer wrote: > > > I agree. The melted material will "pile up" around the edges of the hole > and the size of the hole will be inconsistent. I started each hole with a > 1/8" plexiglass bit I got from ACS and then opened them up with a unibit in > a variable speed drill. I actually tried a 1/4" plexiglass bit I got at the > same time from ACS, but it seemed to want to grab the plexiglass, so I went > with the unibit. > > Bill > > John Smith wrote: > >> I don't think you can consistently "burn" correctly sized cylindrical >> holes with the hot rod. Try burning a few holes with scrape plexiglass and >> you'll what I am talking about. I use unibit drill bit in high speed drill >> with good results. >> >> ----- Original Message ---- >> From: Bill Naumuk >> To: zenith-list@matronics.com >> Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 6:31:43 PM >> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Drilling canopy >> >> naumuk@alltel.net>> >> >> Just a thought, because I'm agonizing over cracking my canopy while >> drilling >> myself. Why not heat up a rod of the correct size with a propane torch and >> just melt through in the first place? >> Another Bill >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 03:42:49 PM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Cable Swaging tool Guys- From experience I can tell you- 1. The $20 ACS tool works just fine, but you'll wind up with carpal tunnel by the time you're done. 2. You have to go back to the Grand Master of homebuilding, Tony Bingelis, for THE technique for cutting cable. Put a wrap of electrical tape around the area you want to cut, lay it on a stout piece of steel (Like the back of a good size vise) and smack it with a 3 lb hammer and a cold chisel. Perfect, clean, cheap, and quick. Try it. I defy anyone to beat the technique. Even for old-timers, try it. Afterwards, you'll never recommend any other way. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "T. Graziano" Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 10:17 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Cable Swaging tool > > Rich, > That is the type nicropress tool I used. The "kit" I bought was in a > yellow case, had sleeves, the swagger, and a gauge to ensure proper > swaging for the size sleeve used, although if the swage tool was > completely closed up on the swage, the swage was always OK per the gauge. > It did not have a cable cutter. To cut the cable, I taped the area and > used a dremal with a cut-off wheel. > Tony Graziano > XL/Jab; 419 hrs > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rich Simmons" <4RCSIMMONS@comcast.net> > To: "Zenith-List Digest List" > Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 9:02 PM > Subject: Zenith-List: Cable Swaging tool > > >> >> >> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/topages/swageit.php >> >> The above is a swagging kit from Aircraft spruce. From those who have hit >> the cable rigging point in building, >> is this enough. >> >> Any suggestion for other tools that will accomplish the same >> inexpensively? >> >> Do not archive >> -- >> Thanks, >> Rich Simmons >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 04:21:33 PM PST US From: "steve" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Cable Swaging tool Yes but..... For $19 from ACS, I purchased a real cable cutter. The best thing I "almost" ever dun did. I kick myself for the years of hacking the cable in two. The new cutter is soooooo easy. I should have, years ago. Duh! Steve Weston Arizona A20 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Naumuk" Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 3:42 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Cable Swaging tool > > Guys- > From experience I can tell you- > 1. The $20 ACS tool works just fine, but you'll wind up with carpal > tunnel by the time you're done. > 2. You have to go back to the Grand Master of homebuilding, Tony > Bingelis, for THE technique for cutting cable. > Put a wrap of electrical tape around the area you want to cut, lay it > on a stout piece of steel (Like the back of a good size vise) and smack it > with a 3 lb hammer and a cold chisel. Perfect, clean, cheap, and quick. > Try it. I defy anyone to beat the technique. Even for old-timers, try > it. Afterwards, you'll never recommend any other way. > Bill > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "T. Graziano" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 10:17 AM > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Cable Swaging tool > > >> >> >> Rich, >> That is the type nicropress tool I used. The "kit" I bought was in a >> yellow case, had sleeves, the swagger, and a gauge to ensure proper >> swaging for the size sleeve used, although if the swage tool was >> completely closed up on the swage, the swage was always OK per the gauge. >> It did not have a cable cutter. To cut the cable, I taped the area and >> used a dremal with a cut-off wheel. >> Tony Graziano >> XL/Jab; 419 hrs >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Rich Simmons" <4RCSIMMONS@comcast.net> >> To: "Zenith-List Digest List" >> Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 9:02 PM >> Subject: Zenith-List: Cable Swaging tool >> >> >>> >>> >>> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/topages/swageit.php >>> >>> The above is a swagging kit from Aircraft spruce. From those who have >>> hit the cable rigging point in building, >>> is this enough. >>> >>> Any suggestion for other tools that will accomplish the same >>> inexpensively? >>> >>> Do not archive >>> -- >>> Thanks, >>> Rich Simmons >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 07:27:59 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Detroit FSDO Inspection From: "Tim Juhl" I recently sat in while a friend of mine had his 80% Tiger Moth Replica inspected by a inspector from the Detroit FSDO. The inspector was knowledgeable and excellent to work with and my friend came away with his airworthiness certificate without a hassle. The FAA guy had forgotten his temporary airman certificates blanks so he flew back in the next week to issue my friend his repairman certificate. Talk about service! If anyone on the group is in the Detroit FSDO's service area and would like to schedule an inspection with this inspector contact me direct and I'll give you the info. Tim -------- ______________ CFII Champ L16A flying Zodiac XL - Jabiru 3300A Working on fuselage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 4705#204705 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 07:34:18 PM PST US From: LHusky@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Detroit FSDO Inspection Well, that leaves me with a question. Do you have to be ready to fly before the inspection? 80% Tiger Moth Replica. What did he have left to do at the time of inspection? Thanks, Larry Husky Madras, Oregon In a message dated 9/16/2008 7:29:30 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, juhl@avci.net writes: --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Tim Juhl" I recently sat in while a friend of mine had his 80% Tiger Moth Replica inspected by a inspector from the Detroit FSDO. The inspector was knowledgeable and excellent to work with and my friend came away with his airworthiness certificate without a hassle. The FAA guy had forgotten his temporary airman certificates blanks so he flew back in the next week to issue my friend his repairman certificate. Talk about service! If anyone on the group is in the Detroit FSDO's service area and would like to schedule an inspection with this inspector contact me direct and I'll give you the info. Tim -------- ______________ CFII Champ L16A flying Zodiac XL - Jabiru 3300A Working on fuselage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 4705#204705 **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 07:39:16 PM PST US From: "steve" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Detroit FSDO Inspection ...................................... ----- Original Message ----- From: LHusky@aol.com To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 7:33 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Detroit FSDO Inspection Well, that leaves me with a question. Do you have to be ready to fly before the inspection? 80% Tiger Moth Replica. What did he have left to do at the time of inspection? Thanks, Larry Husky Madras, Oregon In a message dated 9/16/2008 7:29:30 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, juhl@avci.net writes: I recently sat in while a friend of mine had his 80% Tiger Moth Replica inspected by a inspector from the Detroit FSDO. The inspector was knowledgeable and excellent to work with and my friend came away with his airworthiness certificate without a hassle. The FAA guy had forgotten his temporary airman certificates blanks so he flew back in the next week to issue my friend his repairman certificate. Talk about service! If anyone on the group is in the Detroit FSDO's service area and would like to schedule an inspection with this inspector contact me direct and I'll give you the info. Tim -------- ______________ CFII Champ L16A flying Zodiac XL - Jabiru 3300A Working on fuselage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 4705#204705 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 08:02:49 PM PST US From: Bryan Martin Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Detroit FSDO Inspection Yes, you have to be ready to fly before the inspection. I would assume that 80% refers to 80% scale not 80% complete. On Sep 16, 2008, at 10:33 PM, LHusky@aol.com wrote: > Well, that leaves me with a question. Do you have to be ready to > fly before the inspection? 80% Tiger Moth Replica. What did he > have left to do at the time of inspection? > > Thanks, > > Larry Husky > Madras, Oregon > > > In a message dated 9/16/2008 7:29:30 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, juhl@avci.net > writes: > > I recently sat in while a friend of mine had his 80% Tiger Moth > Replica inspected by a inspector from the Detroit FSDO. The > inspector was knowledgeable and excellent to work with and my friend > came away with his airworthiness certificate without a hassle. The > FAA guy had forgotten his temporary airman certificates blanks so he > flew back in the next week to issue my friend his repairman > certificate. Talk about service! > > If anyone on the group is in the Detroit FSDO's service area and > would like to schedule an inspection with this inspector contact me > direct and I'll give you the info. > > Tim > > -- Bryan Martin N61BM, CH 601 XL, RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive. do not archive. ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 08:33:44 PM PST US From: Gary Gower Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Detroit FSDO Inspection. All questions have -to be answered correctly,--New guys in aviation h ave to make their-way to aviatio knowledge with the help of all of-us. -80% in this case is the scale of the replica about the original.-- o ther designers use scales- 7/8- 3/4- etc...- normally the Antique a nd War airplanes are (were) very big and powerfull,- then we have very br ight designers that "design " an airplane that looks similar to the origina l but uses smaller engines, alternate materials, smaller aver all size, etc .-- like the 5151 wooden replica of the P51 Mustang.- One of my favor ite low cost replica, another good one (and very inexpensive) is late Graha m Lee's- 7/8 Neiuport 11 replica. - Note: -I had the chance to make good internet friends with Mr Graham Lee. Also-I was fortunate enough (by accident visiting the Beechcraft Museum) to meet in person Mr Loehle (P 5151 designer)- when I went to the Jabiru Seminar about March this year.-- In that same Hangar I meet Mr Eric Clu ton (designer of F.R.E.D. airplane-and the writer of the his Propeller bu ilding book)!!! - Is like meeting the Living Aviation History for someone from a foreign Coun try.-- When you see names like this only in magazines...- Meeting the people in person, is-Great.- Also you discover that they are real friendly guys that treat you as they w ere your old time friends...- Sorry guys for the long post.- Experimental Aviation (world wide) is a bi g family. - Hope this helps - Saludos Gary Gower Flying from Chapala, Mexico. --- On Tue, 9/16/08, LHusky@aol.com wrote: From: LHusky@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Detroit FSDO Inspection Well, that leaves me with a question.- Do you have to be ready to fly bef ore the inspection?- 80% Tiger Moth Replica.- What did he have left to do at the time of inspection?- - Thanks, - Larry Husky Madras, Oregon - - In a message dated 9/16/2008 7:29:30 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, juhl@avci. net writes: I recently sat in while a friend of mine had his 80% Tiger Moth Replica ins pected by a inspector from the Detroit FSDO.- The inspector was knowledge able and excellent to work with and my friend came away with his airworthin ess certificate without a hassle.- The FAA guy had forgotten his temporar y airman certificates blanks so he flew back in the next week to issue my f riend his repairman certificate.- Talk about service! If anyone on the group is in the Detroit FSDO's service area and would like to schedule an inspection with this inspector contact me direct and I'll g ive you the info. Tim -------- ______________ CFII Champ L16A flying Zodiac XL - Jabiru 3300A Working on fuselage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 4705#204705 Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the late st fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 09:38:50 PM PST US From: LHusky@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Detroit FSDO Inspection. Thanks Gary, that does explain it nicely. I have done a lot of research on the inspection and I have seen 7/8, 3/4 etc, but I have not seen the % ratio before. My first thought was that he was 80% done, not that he had a 7/8 scale replica. Thanks, Larry In a message dated 9/16/2008 8:34:22 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, ggower_99@yahoo.com writes: All questions have to be answered correctly, New guys in aviation have to make their way to aviatio knowledge with the help of all of us. 80% in this case is the scale of the replica about the original. other designers use scales 7/8 3/4 etc... normally the Antique and War airplanes are (were) very big and powerfull, then we have very bright designers that "design " an airplane that looks similar to the original but uses smaller engines, alternate materials, smaller aver all size, etc. like the 5151 wooden replica of the P51 Mustang. One of my favorite low cost replica, another good one (and very inexpensive) is late Graham Lee's 7/8 Neiuport 11 replica. Note: I had the chance to make good internet friends with Mr Graham Lee. Also I was fortunate enough (by accident visiting the Beechcraft Museum) to meet in person Mr Loehle (P 5151 designer) when I went to the Jabiru Seminar about March this year. In that same Hangar I meet Mr Eric Cluton (designer of F.R.E.D. airplane and the writer of the his Propeller building book)!!! Is like meeting the Living Aviation History for someone from a foreign Country. When you see names like this only in magazines... Meeting the people in person, is Great. Also you discover that they are real friendly guys that treat you as they were your old time friends... Sorry guys for the long post. Experimental Aviation (world wide) is a big family. Hope this helps Saludos Gary Gower Flying from Chapala, Mexico. --- On Tue, 9/16/08, LHusky@aol.com wrote: From: LHusky@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Detroit FSDO Inspection Well, that leaves me with a question. Do you have to be ready to fly before the inspection? 80% Tiger Moth Replica. What did he have left to do at the time of inspection? Thanks, Larry Husky Madras, Oregon In a message dated 9/16/2008 7:29:30 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, juhl@avci.net writes: I recently sat in while a friend of mine had his 80% Tiger Moth Replica inspected by a inspector from the Detroit FSDO. The inspector was knowledgeable and excellent to work with and my friend came away with his airworthiness certificate without a hassle. The FAA guy had forgotten his temporary airman certificates blanks so he flew back in the next week to issue my friend his repairman certificate. Talk about service! If anyone on the group is in the Detroit FSDO's service area and would like to schedule an inspection with this inspector contact me direct and I'll give you the info. 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