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1. 09:43 AM - Re: Muffler Problem - Advice Needed (Gary Gower)
2. 04:31 PM - Perspective builder (Daryl)
3. 05:23 PM - Cessna and dayjet (Juan Vega)
4. 05:48 PM - Re: Perspective builder (Bill Naumuk)
5. 05:51 PM - Re: Perspective builder (Paul Mulwitz)
6. 05:53 PM - Re: Cessna and dayjet (Paul Mulwitz)
7. 06:05 PM - Re: Perspective builder (annken100)
8. 07:46 PM - Re: Perspective builder (Craig Payne)
9. 07:48 PM - Re: Perspective builder (Gary Gower)
10. 08:15 PM - Re: Perspective builder (Roger & Lina Hill)
11. 08:33 PM - Re: Perspective builder (Leo Gates)
12. 09:33 PM - Re: Perspective builder (Daryl)
13. 09:37 PM - Wire Service Loops (Dave VanLanen)
14. 11:40 PM - Re: Perspective builder (Marin Streeter)
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| Subject: | Re: Muffler Problem - Advice Needed |
Hello Darryl,
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You can get in touch with Mark, in Can Zac,- if the new muffler (stainles
s steele) fits in the older HD fireward forwasd area,- he might order one
for you.---Depends how the instalation of the radiators and the muff
ler is arranged in your HD.
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In case the SS muffler will not fit, you can visit your local car muffler s
hop.-- If is a good shop they can copy your muffler and make a new one
exactly as yours,- good for about 10 years more.
Saludos
Gary Gower.
Flying from Chapala, Mexico.
--- On Thu, 9/18/08, Darryl West (Home) <rdwest@shaw.ca> wrote:
From: Darryl West (Home) <rdwest@shaw.ca>
Subject: Zenith-List: Muffler Problem - Advice Needed
Hi Listers,
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I need some help.
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I built a Zenair CH-601-HD kit back in 1993 /95.
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It has Rotax 912 Engine with Zenair firewall-forward kit that included engi
ne mount, mufflers, etc.
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The original-left side muffler has recently failed in flight, breaking at
the front elbow.
It was made with regular carbon steel (not stainless), and appears to-hav
e failed-due to corrosion and vibration over the years.
I have attached a-few photos for reference.
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Zenith has been-very slow- / reluctant to respond to my RFQ-so far, o
ther than to tell me they don't have the old muffler system in stock.
Even-that took 1 month, 5 emails and 30 minutes trying to get thru on the
phone. Very frustrating, especially since I am also still trying to sell m
y plane.
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It is the old dual-muffler design that I need in order for it to fit in the
original cowling-(I assume).
I think the newer models use single muffler (SS).
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Any other possible sources for these custom parts?
Or other general advice?
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Thanks in advance.
-
Darryl West
rdwest@shaw.ca
Calgary, AB
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| Subject: | Perspective builder |
Hi group,
I've been lurking in this group since February and am interested in the CH
601 HD. I have also been looking at the Sonex. A downside to the Sonex is
that the wings are not easily removable. I may be looking at trailering my
project to and from the airport and removable wings are desirable for me.
So, are the wings on the 601 HD easily removable? If so, how much time does
it take and can one person do it easily?
Also, after speaking with a Sonex builder, he told me the airplane cannot be
operated with the canopy off, due to drag on the bulkhead aft of the canopy.
Is this also true for the CH 601?
thanks for your feedback!
Daryl
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| Subject: | Cessna and dayjet |
Cessna 162 crashed and the DayJet Company file CH11. Soon Eclipse will follow.
The sky is falling.
Juan
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| Subject: | Re: Perspective builder |
Daryl-
From what I understand, it's a 2 hour job to get the wings on+off a 601
under good circumstances. If you're talking about trailering a plane to an
airfield, flying, then coming home the same day neither the 601 or Sonex is
a good choice. I figure on only doing it as few times as I have to with my
HDS.
As far as the canopy is concerned, I'm not qualified to answer that
question.
Bill
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Daryl" <daryl@rictor.org>
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2008 7:28 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Perspective builder
>
> Hi group,
>
> I've been lurking in this group since February and am interested in the CH
> 601 HD. I have also been looking at the Sonex. A downside to the Sonex
> is
> that the wings are not easily removable. I may be looking at trailering
> my
> project to and from the airport and removable wings are desirable for me.
>
> So, are the wings on the 601 HD easily removable? If so, how much time
> does
> it take and can one person do it easily?
>
>
> Also, after speaking with a Sonex builder, he told me the airplane cannot
> be
> operated with the canopy off, due to drag on the bulkhead aft of the
> canopy.
>
> Is this also true for the CH 601?
>
> thanks for your feedback!
>
> Daryl
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Perspective builder |
Hi Daryl,
I don't know the answer to your questions since I am building a
Zodiac XL rather than HD. The XL has been the "Front line" model for
a number of years now. It seems it is currently being replaced with
the CH650, but that is a very similar plane.
The real difference between a Sonex and Zodiac is in the size of the
plane and the room available for pilot and passenger. I strongly
suggest you find examples to sit in before making your final decision.
I don't think it is practical to fold the wings of any plane for
travel to and from the airport. I know of many people who thought
this might work out but none that actually had success with this
approach. If you really want this feature you might consider a
Kitfox that has really folding wings. Of course it also has
considerably less performance than a Zodiac or Sonex.
Good luck,
Paul
XL getting close
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At 04:28 PM 9/19/2008, you wrote:
>Hi group,
>
>I've been lurking in this group since February and am interested in the CH
>601 HD. I have also been looking at the Sonex. A downside to the Sonex is
>that the wings are not easily removable. I may be looking at trailering my
>project to and from the airport and removable wings are desirable for me.
>
>So, are the wings on the 601 HD easily removable? If so, how much time does
>it take and can one person do it easily?
>
>
>Also, after speaking with a Sonex builder, he told me the airplane cannot be
>operated with the canopy off, due to drag on the bulkhead aft of the canopy.
>
>Is this also true for the CH 601?
>
>thanks for your feedback!
>
>Daryl
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| Subject: | Re: Cessna and dayjet |
Yeah, and I was considering getting an Eclipse 500 to fill the other
half of my new hangar . . .
I wonder if they make an LSA version so I don't need a medical to fly it . . .
Paul
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At 05:22 PM 9/19/2008, you wrote:
>Cessna 162 crashed and the DayJet Company file CH11. Soon Eclipse
>will follow. The sky is falling.
>
>Juan
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| Subject: | Re: Perspective builder |
Hi Daryl,
I don't know about the amount of time it takes to remove the wings off of a 601HD, but I think it would be impractical. As for flying the 601 with an open cockpit, I've seen several pictures on Zenith's website that show open cockpit 601's. It seems like the open cockpit planes have some sort of covering over the baggage area opening. Here is the link: http://www.zenithair.com/zodiac/6-photo38.html
Good luck,
Ken Pavlou
--------
601 XL / Corvair
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 5192#205192
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| Subject: | Perspective builder |
Some call the Sonex fun to fly, others call it twitchy.
As to removable wings, on a low wing metal kit plane I think your best bet
is the RV-12. Watch them remove and reattach the wings in under 5 minutes in
this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnWrXKfh_XM
The down-side to removable wings is a relatively small fuel tank in the
fuselage instead of the wings.
-- Craig
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Daryl
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2008 5:29 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Perspective builder
Hi group,
I've been lurking in this group since February and am interested in the CH
601 HD. I have also been looking at the Sonex. A downside to the Sonex is
that the wings are not easily removable. I may be looking at trailering my
project to and from the airport and removable wings are desirable for me.
So, are the wings on the 601 HD easily removable? If so, how much time does
it take and can one person do it easily?
Also, after speaking with a Sonex builder, he told me the airplane cannot be
operated with the canopy off, due to drag on the bulkhead aft of the canopy.
Is this also true for the CH 601?
thanks for your feedback!
Daryl
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| Subject: | Re: Perspective builder |
Looking around in the Zenith page photos,- I remember watching some photo
s (I think in Europe)- of 601's "convertibles"--only the windshield..
.- Was some time ago, I am not completly sure about it.
-
Saludos
Gary Gower
Do not archive.
--- On Fri, 9/19/08, Daryl <daryl@rictor.org> wrote:
From: Daryl <daryl@rictor.org>
Subject: Zenith-List: Perspective builder
Hi group,
I've been lurking in this group since February and am interested in the CH
601 HD. I have also been looking at the Sonex. A downside to the Sonex is
that the wings are not easily removable. I may be looking at trailering my
project to and from the airport and removable wings are desirable for me.
So, are the wings on the 601 HD easily removable? If so, how much time doe
s
it take and can one person do it easily?
Also, after speaking with a Sonex builder, he told me the airplane cannot b
e
operated with the canopy off, due to drag on the bulkhead aft of the canopy
.
Is this also true for the CH 601?
thanks for your feedback!
Daryl
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| Subject: | Perspective builder |
Howdy all
I have removed my 601 wings about 5 or 6 times. It easy, but you need two
people and it takes me about 1 hour to do it, with an electric screw driver.
It takes about 2 hours to put them back on, with two people, at best.
Mostly, the wings are very thin skinned and very easy to damage off the
plane or in transport. My sonerai wings with 0.025 2024 skins were much
tougher I noticed.
Do it if you need two, or need to tow the plane cross country, other than
that, don't do it. My kitfox 2 had a good folding design, it could be done
in 5 minutes with no help, with practice.
Roger
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Daryl
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2008 6:29 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Perspective builder
Hi group,
I've been lurking in this group since February and am interested in the CH
601 HD. I have also been looking at the Sonex. A downside to the Sonex is
that the wings are not easily removable. I may be looking at trailering my
project to and from the airport and removable wings are desirable for me.
So, are the wings on the 601 HD easily removable? If so, how much time does
it take and can one person do it easily?
Also, after speaking with a Sonex builder, he told me the airplane cannot be
operated with the canopy off, due to drag on the bulkhead aft of the canopy.
Is this also true for the CH 601?
thanks for your feedback!
Daryl
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| Subject: | Re: Perspective builder |
Daryl,
I am one of the few that can tell you how a 601 flies without a canopy,
a 601HDS anyway. I took off on a nice sunny day in April here in Texas,
turned crosswind and then downwind and leveled off at the same time. At
this point I lost my canopy. There was an increase in noise, and wind
in my face. Everything that was in the baggage compartment (CDs, maps
and rags) departed toward the dirty side. I wear glasses so they sort
of acted like goggles at least to the extent I could see the altimeter
and airspeed. The remaining approach and landing were quite normal but
such configuration is not desirable.
Leo Gates
N601Z, CH601HDS TDO
Daryl wrote:
>
> Hi group,
>
> I've been lurking in this group since February and am interested in the CH
> 601 HD. I have also been looking at the Sonex. A downside to the Sonex is
> that the wings are not easily removable. I may be looking at trailering my
> project to and from the airport and removable wings are desirable for me.
>
> So, are the wings on the 601 HD easily removable? If so, how much time does
> it take and can one person do it easily?
>
>
> Also, after speaking with a Sonex builder, he told me the airplane cannot be
> operated with the canopy off, due to drag on the bulkhead aft of the canopy.
>
> Is this also true for the CH 601?
>
> thanks for your feedback!
>
> Daryl
>
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| Subject: | Perspective builder |
Thanks for all of the input, folks. Sounds as if the canopy can be removed,
with some adjustments to windscreen and baggage areas. But, the wings are
not of the quick and easy to remove/attach variety.
I like both CH 601 and Sonex designs, and their performance. I may have to
work around the wing issue.
My budget will not allow for a $30k airplane. I plan on using an Aerovee
80HP engine with a plans-built design; with the hopes of keeping it a simple
and inexpensive day VFR machine. Maximum fun for minimum cost - every man's
dream I know, but one that can be achieved with perseverance.
Thanks again for the input!
Daryl
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Daryl
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2008 4:29 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Perspective builder
Hi group,
I've been lurking in this group since February and am interested in the CH
601 HD. I have also been looking at the Sonex. A downside to the Sonex is
that the wings are not easily removable. I may be looking at trailering my
project to and from the airport and removable wings are desirable for me.
So, are the wings on the 601 HD easily removable? If so, how much time does
it take and can one person do it easily?
Also, after speaking with a Sonex builder, he told me the airplane cannot be
operated with the canopy off, due to drag on the bulkhead aft of the canopy.
Is this also true for the CH 601?
thanks for your feedback!
Daryl
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| Subject: | Wire Service Loops |
When installing wiring, what is considered the ideal length for service
loops? I am running a 5-wire cable to the rudder trailing edge for a combo
navigation / strobe light installed in a fiberglass fairing. I don't want
too much wire where it might move around and fray against the edges of the
opening in the skin behind the fairing, but I want to make sure I have
enough for any possible future need. Any advice would be appreciated.
Dave Van Lanen
Madison, WI
601XL - finishing tail, building flaps
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| Subject: | Perspective builder |
Daryl
Both the zenith and Sonex are good planes but if the wing removal is a very
important thing to you then I suggest the RV-12 as it is set up for wing
removal in less then 15 min and handles are in the wing just for that.
Marin
Bushcaddy E-LSA
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Daryl
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2008 4:29 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Perspective builder
Hi group,
I've been lurking in this group since February and am interested in the CH
601 HD. I have also been looking at the Sonex. A downside to the Sonex is
that the wings are not easily removable. I may be looking at trailering my
project to and from the airport and removable wings are desirable for me.
So, are the wings on the 601 HD easily removable? If so, how much time does
it take and can one person do it easily?
Also, after speaking with a Sonex builder, he told me the airplane cannot be
operated with the canopy off, due to drag on the bulkhead aft of the canopy.
Is this also true for the CH 601?
thanks for your feedback!
Daryl
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