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1. 10:40 AM - Panel questions (Bill Naumuk)
2. 11:29 AM - Re: Panel questions (Juan Vega)
3. 11:29 AM - Re: Panel questions (TxDave)
4. 11:37 AM - Re: Re: Panel questions (Bill Naumuk)
5. 11:50 AM - Re: Panel questions (Bill Naumuk)
6. 12:10 PM - Re: Panel questions (Paul Mulwitz)
7. 01:16 PM - Re: Panel questions (annken100)
8. 02:16 PM - Re: Panel questions (Bryan Martin)
9. 02:44 PM - Re: Panel questions (Gig Giacona)
10. 02:53 PM - Re: Panel questions (Craig Payne)
11. 02:54 PM - Re: Panel questions (George Race)
12. 04:48 PM - Re: Panel questions (Bryan Martin)
13. 04:52 PM - Chat Room Reminder For "Digesters" (George Race)
14. 05:28 PM - Re: Panel questions (Bill Naumuk)
15. 05:30 PM - Re: Panel questions (Jay Maynard)
16. 05:32 PM - Re: Panel questions (steve)
17. 05:38 PM - Re: Re: Panel questions (steve)
18. 06:37 PM - Re: Re: Panel questions (Jeyoung65@aol.com)
19. 07:04 PM - Re: Re: Panel questions (Ashley)
20. 08:28 PM - Re: Re: Panel questions (steve)
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All-
Just sprung (Sprang? Emptied my checking account!) for a Dynon
D-100. It comes with a remote compass. I'd normally ask EAA, but they're
closed today. Do I still have to have a whiskey compass? I have a nice
Airpath, but what's the sense of taking up panel space and weight if I
don't have to? The D-100 also has a build in voltmeter, so I might have
some brand new or like new instruments up for sale.
I've been to several hardware stores and spent hours on the net but
still can't find a handle for my header shutoff. Well, I could use a
plumbing handle, but you can imagine the razzing I'd take for the "H" or
"C". Has to fit over a 1/2" rod. It shouldn't be threaded- I'll either
modify it with setscrews or a drift pin. Any ideas? Picture attached.
Remember, on an HDS this is all scratch-built stuff so I don't have a
clue.
Finally, I haven't been able to find a decently priced, functional
used Mode C transponder for weeks. Any leads appreciated.
Thanks, guys.
Bill Naumuk
Townville, Pa.
HDS 601MG/Corvair 95%
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| Subject: | Re: Panel questions |
Do what ever you want, but I have a full Dynon set up, with the Whiskey compass
on the dash, and any pilot worth their salt , would want that back up.
Some schmoes will tell ou to forgo it, but if and when the electrical goes and
you are 6,000 ft up at 120 knots, and 2 hours from home, will they be there
to tell you, sorry they were wrong in suggesting you not having it?
Juan Vega
-----Original Message-----
>From: Bill Naumuk <naumuk@alltel.net>
>Sent: Sep 28, 2008 1:36 PM
>To: zenith list <zenith-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Zenith-List: Panel questions
>
>All-
> Just sprung (Sprang? Emptied my checking account!) for a Dynon D-100. It comes
with a remote compass. I'd normally ask EAA, but they're closed today. Do
I still have to have a whiskey compass? I have a nice Airpath, but what's the
sense of taking up panel space and weight if I don't have to? The D-100 also
has a build in voltmeter, so I might have some brand new or like new instruments
up for sale.
> I've been to several hardware stores and spent hours on the net but still
can't find a handle for my header shutoff. Well, I could use a plumbing handle,
but you can imagine the razzing I'd take for the "H" or "C". Has to fit over
a 1/2" rod. It shouldn't be threaded- I'll either modify it with setscrews or
a drift pin. Any ideas? Picture attached. Remember, on an HDS this is all scratch-built
stuff so I don't have a clue.
> Finally, I haven't been able to find a decently priced, functional used Mode
C transponder for weeks. Any leads appreciated.
> Thanks, guys.
>Bill Naumuk
>Townville, Pa.
>HDS 601MG/Corvair 95%
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| Subject: | Re: Panel questions |
Hey Bill,
You might find one by watching the Avionics List. I've found some good deals on
instruments and a transceiver. Just click on the Transponder link on the left
side of the page.
http://www.avionicslist.com/index.php
Dave Clay
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| Subject: | Re: Panel questions |
Great lead, Dave. Thanks.
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: "TxDave" <dclaytx2@HOTMAIL.COM>
Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2008 2:29 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Panel questions
>
> Hey Bill,
>
> You might find one by watching the Avionics List. I've found some good
> deals on instruments and a transceiver. Just click on the Transponder link
> on the left side of the page.
>
> http://www.avionicslist.com/index.php
>
> Dave Clay
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 6592#206592
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Panel questions |
Juan-
I was just wondering if you could legally get by without one. I have
dual backups with the Dynon lithion battery and a battery powered GPS.
Be honest now. When's the last time you used a whiskey compass for
anything other than setting a DG?
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: "Juan Vega" <amyvega2005@earthlink.net>
Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2008 2:26 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Panel questions
>
> Do what ever you want, but I have a full Dynon set up, with the Whiskey
> compass on the dash, and any pilot worth their salt , would want that back
> up.
> Some schmoes will tell ou to forgo it, but if and when the electrical
> goes and you are 6,000 ft up at 120 knots, and 2 hours from home, will
> they be there to tell you, sorry they were wrong in suggesting you not
> having it?
>
> Juan Vega
>
> -----Original Message-----
>>From: Bill Naumuk <naumuk@alltel.net>
>>Sent: Sep 28, 2008 1:36 PM
>>To: zenith list <zenith-list@matronics.com>
>>Subject: Zenith-List: Panel questions
>>
>>All-
>> Just sprung (Sprang? Emptied my checking account!) for a Dynon D-100.
>> It comes with a remote compass. I'd normally ask EAA, but they're closed
>> today. Do I still have to have a whiskey compass? I have a nice Airpath,
>> but what's the sense of taking up panel space and weight if I don't have
>> to? The D-100 also has a build in voltmeter, so I might have some brand
>> new or like new instruments up for sale.
>> I've been to several hardware stores and spent hours on the net but
>> still can't find a handle for my header shutoff. Well, I could use a
>> plumbing handle, but you can imagine the razzing I'd take for the "H" or
>> "C". Has to fit over a 1/2" rod. It shouldn't be threaded- I'll either
>> modify it with setscrews or a drift pin. Any ideas? Picture attached.
>> Remember, on an HDS this is all scratch-built stuff so I don't have a
>> clue.
>> Finally, I haven't been able to find a decently priced, functional
>> used Mode C transponder for weeks. Any leads appreciated.
>> Thanks, guys.
>>Bill Naumuk
>>Townville, Pa.
>>HDS 601MG/Corvair 95%
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Panel questions |
Hi Bill & Juan,
I can see this discussion going either way.
I have heard about DARs who wouldn't give an air worthiness
certificate without a whisky compass, but a cheap automotive one will
do. I've also heard about more modern oriented DARs willing to allow
the electronic mag. compass in the Dynon to suffice for this requirement.
If, like most pilots, you have a battery powered GPS, then it can
provide complete navigation information so long as the batteries hold
out. Most aviation GPS units also include a virtual instrument panel
which can tell you lots more than just your heading (actually track).
You can also get battery backup capability for the Dynon.
It is easy for me to imagine flying without a whiskey compass. The
only time I ever use one is to set the DG (which the Dynon does
automatically) and for those horrible partial panel instrument flight
exercises where all you get is the needle, ball, and airspeed along
with the whiskey compass and hopefully a clock to make turns.
Have fun,
Paul
XL getting close
At 11:26 AM 9/28/2008, you wrote:
>Do what ever you want, but I have a full Dynon set up, with the
>Whiskey compass on the dash, and any pilot worth their salt , would
>want that back up.
>Some schmoes will tell ou to forgo it, but if and when the
>electrical goes and you are 6,000 ft up at 120 knots, and 2 hours
>from home, will they be there to tell you, sorry they were wrong in
>suggesting you not having it?
>
>Juan Vega
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| Subject: | Re: Panel questions |
Bill,
I've read stories of some DARs accepting electronic magnetometers without a whiskey
compass and some who insist on a whiskey compass. My understanding of the
regs is that you need a magnetic device onboard that displays your heading.
I don't think the regs specifically state that it must be a whiskey compass.
The EDC-10a from Dynon is a magnetic device therefore one could argue that it
satisfies the requirements. I think the bottom line is to do what your DAR requires
to get your airworthiness certificate. If the DAR says a whiskey compass
is required, put a cheesy compass in and then remove it afterwards if you
are thinking you don't want a compass in the plane.
I guess I'll be the first "schmoe" to say that I personally don't want a compass
sitting on top of my panel. I have redundant EFIS units each with their own
magnetometer along with a GPS. In the event of an electrical failure or my battery
falling out of the plane, both EFIS units and the GPS have their own internal
batteries. I also have a backup battery in case the internal batteries
don't work and a small handheld GPS. I figure the chances of both EFIS units,
both magnetometers, and the GPS failing all at once is quite small. Furthermore,
even if I lost all electrical power or my entire panel fell out of the
plane, I could always pull out my sectional and navigate by that old reliable
way of getting around called pilotage.
It all comes down to what you are comfortable with.
Good Luck,
Ken Pavlou
--------
601 XL / Corvair
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| Subject: | Re: Panel questions |
I have a $10 Walmart compass stuck to my canopy. It's an Airguide
brand, weighs a couple of ounces and is marked in degrees as well as
the eight cardinal directions. It has compensators to zero it out and
it works like a charm. If your DAR won't sign off without a compass,
this one should do fine.
For the fuel valve, you could grind flats into the end of the shaft
and drill and tap the center for a screw and then the handle off a
ball valve might fit it. Or you can make a handle out of a piece of
flat stock by cutting a hole in one end to fit the end of the shaft
and secure it with a screw and washer.
For transponders, you might try eBay: http://tinyurl.com/3fuh9v
there's a few of them listed there.
On Sep 28, 2008, at 1:36 PM, Bill Naumuk wrote:
> All-
> Just sprung (Sprang? Emptied my checking account!) for a Dynon
> D-100. It comes with a remote compass. I'd normally ask EAA, but
> they're closed today. Do I still have to have a whiskey compass? I
> have a nice Airpath, but what's the sense of taking up panel space
> and weight if I don't have to? The D-100 also has a build in
> voltmeter, so I might have some brand new or like new instruments up
> for sale.
> I've been to several hardware stores and spent hours on the net
> but still can't find a handle for my header shutoff. Well, I could
> use a plumbing handle, but you can imagine the razzing I'd take for
> the "H" or "C". Has to fit over a 1/2" rod. It shouldn't be
> threaded- I'll either modify it with setscrews or a drift pin. Any
> ideas? Picture attached. Remember, on an HDS this is all scratch-
> built stuff so I don't have a clue.
> Finally, I haven't been able to find a decently priced,
> functional used Mode C transponder for weeks. Any leads appreciated.
> Thanks, guys.
> Bill Naumuk
> Townville, Pa.
> HDS 601MG/Corvair 95%<Console right.jpg>
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N61BM, CH 601 XL,
RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.
do not archive.
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| Subject: | Re: Panel questions |
Bingo... We have a winner.
The regulations require a compass. The Dynon provides that. Unfortunately there
are some DAR that don't understand the law and will give you a hassle if you
don't have a we compass so put the cheapest and most removable whiskey compass
you can find.
bryanmmartin wrote:
> I have a $10 Walmart compass stuck to my canopy.
--------
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601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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Below are links to pictures of panels delivered by AMD (steam and glass
gauges). Of the ones with glass I only see a wet compass in one: N7812P. As
others have said the regs say something like "magnetic indicating device".
Maybe AMD just has a friendly DAR.
In the Nov '08 issue of Kitplanes in Unusual Attitude Ed Wischmeyer wrote
this "Did you know that Light Sport Aircraft do not need a magnetic compass?
They can do everything on GPS.". I'm not sure of his basis for this, maybe
because LSA are restricted to day VFR? I'd still have a "magnetic indicating
device if only because the GPS network does go down.
(http://www.kitplanes.com/issues/25_11/builder_spotlight/issues_builderspotl
ight_8461-1.phtml - subscription required)
I'm happy with a backup battery on my glass and the internal battery in my
GPS. But I also have a 3 inch round Flight II from MGL providing airspeed
and RPM - something my GPS can't provide.
AMD Steam:
http://newplane.com/650/N55ZC-005.jpg
http://newplane.com/650/N6170G-A.jpg
http://newplane.com/650/N342RJ-C.jpg
http://newplane.com/650/N701DP_026.jpg
http://newplane.com/650/N807HA-1.jpg
AMD Glass:
http://newplane.com/650/N39DN_Panel-002.jpg
http://newplane.com/650/N601NM-A.jpg
http://newplane.com/650/N7812P-004.jpg
http://newplane.com/650/N329JG_H.jpg
http://newplane.com/650/DSC_0376.jpg
http://newplane.com/650/DSC_0768s.jpg
http://newplane.com/650/N183AM_001.jpg
-- Craig
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Hi Bill:
A few months ago I was visited by our local FSDO FAA Inspector for my
airworthiness certificate. I have an automotive digital compas with a
remote reading temp gauge center mounted on the top of the panel. I ask if
the compas was OK and was told that the aircraft was experimental so it was
not a problem.
George
N73EX - FLYING
_____
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Naumuk
Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2008 1:37 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Panel questions
All-
Just sprung (Sprang? Emptied my checking account!) for a Dynon D-100. It
comes with a remote compass. I'd normally ask EAA, but they're closed today.
Do I still have to have a whiskey compass? I have a nice Airpath, but what's
the sense of taking up panel space and weight if I don't have to? The D-100
also has a build in voltmeter, so I might have some brand new or like new
instruments up for sale.
I've been to several hardware stores and spent hours on the net but
still can't find a handle for my header shutoff. Well, I could use a
plumbing handle, but you can imagine the razzing I'd take for the "H" or
"C". Has to fit over a 1/2" rod. It shouldn't be threaded- I'll either
modify it with setscrews or a drift pin. Any ideas? Picture attached.
Remember, on an HDS this is all scratch-built stuff so I don't have a clue.
Finally, I haven't been able to find a decently priced, functional used
Mode C transponder for weeks. Any leads appreciated.
Thanks, guys.
Bill Naumuk
Townville, Pa.
HDS 601MG/Corvair 95%
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| Subject: | Re: Panel questions |
The regulations (91.205) require a "magnetic direction indicator" but
they do not specify what type of indicator is required, so any device
that senses the earth's magnetic field and displays directional
information derived from that sensor should meet the requirement.
Nowhere does it specify that a wet compass is necessary. Technically,
91.205 only applies to aircraft with standard airworthiness
certificates but I believe the operating limitations issued with an
experimental certificate state that 91.205 must be complied with.
My $10 Walmart compass is the only magnetic direction indicator
installed in my airplane and it's there primarily to satisfy the
regulations. The remote magnetic sensor in your Dynon should also
satisfy the regulations but that doesn't mean the DAR will sign off on
it. When my plane was signed off, I had an vertical card compass
installed so I don't know what he would have thought of the Walmart
compass. I bought the Walmart compass after being unable to properly
zero out the very expensive aircraft compass in a couple of different
locations on the panel. It might have worked mounted on the canopy
where I now have the Walmart compass but it was too big and heavy to
mount there. I sold the aircraft compass on eBay and kept the Walmart
compass in the airplane.
On Sep 28, 2008, at 1:36 PM, Bill Naumuk wrote:
> All-
> Just sprung (Sprang? Emptied my checking account!) for a Dynon
> D-100. It comes with a remote compass. I'd normally ask EAA, but
> they're closed today. Do I still have to have a whiskey compass? I
> have a nice Airpath, but what's the sense of taking up panel space
> and weight if I don't have to? The D-100 also has a build in
> voltmeter, so I might have some brand new or like new instruments up
> for sale.
> I've been to several hardware stores and spent hours on the net
> but still can't find a handle for my header shutoff. Well, I could
> use a plumbing handle, but you can imagine the razzing I'd take for
> the "H" or "C". Has to fit over a 1/2" rod. It shouldn't be
> threaded- I'll either modify it with setscrews or a drift pin. Any
> ideas? Picture attached. Remember, on an HDS this is all scratch-
> built stuff so I don't have a clue.
> Finally, I haven't been able to find a decently priced,
> functional used Mode C transponder for weeks. Any leads appreciated.
> Thanks, guys.
> Bill Naumuk
> Townville, Pa.
> HDS 601MG/Corvair 95%
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL,
RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.
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| Subject: | Re: Panel questions |
All-
Thanks for all the input. I found a transponder, and as I said
earlier, I already have a good Airpath whiskey compass. I'll just hang
onto it until I find out what the DAR will accept.
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: Bryan Martin
To: Zenith List
Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2008 7:47 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Panel questions
The regulations (91.205) require a "magnetic direction indicator" but
they do not specify what type of indicator is required, so any device
that senses the earth's magnetic field and displays directional
information derived from that sensor should meet the requirement.
Nowhere does it specify that a wet compass is necessary. Technically,
91.205 only applies to aircraft with standard airworthiness certificates
but I believe the operating limitations issued with an experimental
certificate state that 91.205 must be complied with.
My $10 Walmart compass is the only magnetic direction indicator
installed in my airplane and it's there primarily to satisfy the
regulations. The remote magnetic sensor in your Dynon should also
satisfy the regulations but that doesn't mean the DAR will sign off on
it. When my plane was signed off, I had an vertical card compass
installed so I don't know what he would have thought of the Walmart
compass. I bought the Walmart compass after being unable to properly
zero out the very expensive aircraft compass in a couple of different
locations on the panel. It might have worked mounted on the canopy where
I now have the Walmart compass but it was too big and heavy to mount
there. I sold the aircraft compass on eBay and kept the Walmart compass
in the airplane.
On Sep 28, 2008, at 1:36 PM, Bill Naumuk wrote:
All-
Just sprung (Sprang? Emptied my checking account!) for a Dynon
D-100. It comes with a remote compass. I'd normally ask EAA, but they're
closed today. Do I still have to have a whiskey compass? I have a nice
Airpath, but what's the sense of taking up panel space and weight if I
don't have to? The D-100 also has a build in voltmeter, so I might have
some brand new or like new instruments up for sale.
I've been to several hardware stores and spent hours on the net
but still can't find a handle for my header shutoff. Well, I could use a
plumbing handle, but you can imagine the razzing I'd take for the "H" or
"C". Has to fit over a 1/2" rod. It shouldn't be threaded- I'll either
modify it with setscrews or a drift pin. Any ideas? Picture attached.
Remember, on an HDS this is all scratch-built stuff so I don't have a
clue.
Finally, I haven't been able to find a decently priced,
functional used Mode C transponder for weeks. Any leads appreciated.
Thanks, guys.
Bill Naumuk
Townville, Pa.
HDS 601MG/Corvair 95%
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL,
RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.
do not archive.
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| Subject: | Re: Panel questions |
On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 03:53:12PM -0600, Craig Payne wrote:
> Below are links to pictures of panels delivered by AMD (steam and glass
> gauges). Of the ones with glass I only see a wet compass in one: N7812P. As
> others have said the regs say something like "magnetic indicating device".
> Maybe AMD just has a friendly DAR.
> http://newplane.com/650/N55ZC-005.jpg
My airplane has a magnetic compass on the right end of the panel. It's a
TSOd vertical card compass from Precision Aviation, Inc.
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Jay Maynard, K5ZC http://www.conmicro.com
http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net
Fairmont, MN (FRM) (Yes, that's me!)
AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC
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| Subject: | Re: Panel questions |
Is the remote compas a "Magnetic direction device".??
----- Original Message -----
From: "Juan Vega" <amyvega2005@earthlink.net>
Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2008 11:26 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Panel questions
>
> Do what ever you want, but I have a full Dynon set up, with the Whiskey
> compass on the dash, and any pilot worth their salt , would want that back
> up.
> Some schmoes will tell ou to forgo it, but if and when the electrical
> goes and you are 6,000 ft up at 120 knots, and 2 hours from home, will
> they be there to tell you, sorry they were wrong in suggesting you not
> having it?
>
> Juan Vega
>
> -----Original Message-----
>>From: Bill Naumuk <naumuk@alltel.net>
>>Sent: Sep 28, 2008 1:36 PM
>>To: zenith list <zenith-list@matronics.com>
>>Subject: Zenith-List: Panel questions
>>
>>All-
>> Just sprung (Sprang? Emptied my checking account!) for a Dynon D-100.
>> It comes with a remote compass. I'd normally ask EAA, but they're closed
>> today. Do I still have to have a whiskey compass? I have a nice Airpath,
>> but what's the sense of taking up panel space and weight if I don't have
>> to? The D-100 also has a build in voltmeter, so I might have some brand
>> new or like new instruments up for sale.
>> I've been to several hardware stores and spent hours on the net but
>> still can't find a handle for my header shutoff. Well, I could use a
>> plumbing handle, but you can imagine the razzing I'd take for the "H" or
>> "C". Has to fit over a 1/2" rod. It shouldn't be threaded- I'll either
>> modify it with setscrews or a drift pin. Any ideas? Picture attached.
>> Remember, on an HDS this is all scratch-built stuff so I don't have a
>> clue.
>> Finally, I haven't been able to find a decently priced, functional
>> used Mode C transponder for weeks. Any leads appreciated.
>> Thanks, guys.
>>Bill Naumuk
>>Townville, Pa.
>>HDS 601MG/Corvair 95%
>
>
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The regs state "A magnetic Direction Device"...
I ve had arguments over this with FAA, DARs and IAs. I lost! Each showed
me the section in the CFRs and I lost..
SW
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gig Giacona" <wrgiacona@gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2008 2:43 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Panel questions
>
> Bingo... We have a winner.
>
> The regulations require a compass. The Dynon provides that. Unfortunately
> there are some DAR that don't understand the law and will give you a
> hassle if you don't have a we compass so put the cheapest and most
> removable whiskey compass you can find.
>
>
> bryanmmartin wrote:
>> I have a $10 Walmart compass stuck to my canopy.
>
>
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> W.R. "Gig" Giacona
> 601XL Under Construction
> See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
>
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> Read this topic online here:
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I am guessing this is a experimental build aircraft so the aircraft will not
need any thing. What regulations are you looking at? No if the pilot wants
to fly the aircraft he used will have requirements. I Think!!! Jerry of GA
In a message dated 9/28/2008 5:44:35 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
wrgiacona@gmail.com writes:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gig Giacona" <wrgiacona@gmail.com>
Bingo... We have a winner.
The regulations require a compass. The Dynon provides that. Unfortunately
there are some DAR that don't understand the law and will give you a hassle if
you don't have a we compass so put the cheapest and most removable whiskey
compass you can find.
bryanmmartin wrote:
> I have a $10 Walmart compass stuck to my canopy.
--------
W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 6621#206621
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Depends on the use of the aircraft.
For VFR possibly no instruments are required, however, for night or IFR
the Operating Limitations issued by the DAR will include:
After completion of Phase I flight testing, unless appropiately equipped
for night and/or insturment flight in accordance with FAR Section
91.205, this aircraft is to be operated under VFR, day only.
By the way, my plane passed the inspection without a compass. YMMV
Floyd Wilkes
601XL O-200 Phase 1 complete.
----- Original Message -----
From: Jeyoung65@aol.com
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2008 8:36 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Panel questions
I am guessing this is a experimental build aircraft so the aircraft
will not need any thing. What regulations are you looking at? No if the
pilot wants to fly the aircraft he used will have requirements. I
Think!!! Jerry of GA
In a message dated 9/28/2008 5:44:35 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
wrgiacona@gmail.com writes:
<wrgiacona@gmail.com>
Bingo... We have a winner.
The regulations require a compass. The Dynon provides that.
Unfortunately there are some DAR that don't understand the law and will
give you a hassle if you don't have a we compass so put the cheapest and
most removable whiskey compass you can find.
bryanmmartin wrote:
> I have a $10 Walmart compass stuck to my canopy.
--------
W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 6621#206621
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Two years ago I called Joe Norris at EAA. Joe is the EAA Guru..... He
said VFR day no compass was required. My local FAA and IA said Joe was
wrong and showed me the written regs. I dont have the numbers off my
head right now but I was convenced to install the magnetic compass..
SW
----- Original Message -----
From: Ashley
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2008 7:04 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Panel questions
Depends on the use of the aircraft.
For VFR possibly no instruments are required, however, for night or
IFR the Operating Limitations issued by the DAR will include:
After completion of Phase I flight testing, unless appropiately
equipped for night and/or insturment flight in accordance with FAR
Section 91.205, this aircraft is to be operated under VFR, day only.
By the way, my plane passed the inspection without a compass. YMMV
Floyd Wilkes
601XL O-200 Phase 1 complete.
----- Original Message -----
From: Jeyoung65@aol.com
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2008 8:36 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Panel questions
I am guessing this is a experimental build aircraft so the aircraft
will not need any thing. What regulations are you looking at? No if the
pilot wants to fly the aircraft he used will have requirements. I
Think!!! Jerry of GA
In a message dated 9/28/2008 5:44:35 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
wrgiacona@gmail.com writes:
<wrgiacona@gmail.com>
Bingo... We have a winner.
The regulations require a compass. The Dynon provides that.
Unfortunately there are some DAR that don't understand the law and will
give you a hassle if you don't have a we compass so put the cheapest and
most removable whiskey compass you can find.
bryanmmartin wrote:
> I have a $10 Walmart compass stuck to my canopy.
--------
W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 6621#206621
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And to further my experience:::
As I read the Regs I understand that for VFR day the airplane needs
NOTHING...
No AS, Alt,Compass...NOTHING. The battle of wits goes on. I guess its
up to your inspector and how he feels that particular day.....
SW
----- Original Message -----
From: steve
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2008 8:26 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Panel questions
Two years ago I called Joe Norris at EAA. Joe is the EAA Guru..... He
said VFR day no compass was required. My local FAA and IA said Joe was
wrong and showed me the written regs. I dont have the numbers off my
head right now but I was convenced to install the magnetic compass..
SW
----- Original Message -----
From: Ashley
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2008 7:04 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Panel questions
Depends on the use of the aircraft.
For VFR possibly no instruments are required, however, for night or
IFR the Operating Limitations issued by the DAR will include:
After completion of Phase I flight testing, unless appropiately
equipped for night and/or insturment flight in accordance with FAR
Section 91.205, this aircraft is to be operated under VFR, day only.
By the way, my plane passed the inspection without a compass. YMMV
Floyd Wilkes
601XL O-200 Phase 1 complete.
----- Original Message -----
From: Jeyoung65@aol.com
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2008 8:36 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Panel questions
I am guessing this is a experimental build aircraft so the
aircraft will not need any thing. What regulations are you looking at?
No if the pilot wants to fly the aircraft he used will have
requirements. I Think!!! Jerry of GA
In a message dated 9/28/2008 5:44:35 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
wrgiacona@gmail.com writes:
<wrgiacona@gmail.com>
Bingo... We have a winner.
The regulations require a compass. The Dynon provides that.
Unfortunately there are some DAR that don't understand the law and will
give you a hassle if you don't have a we compass so put the cheapest and
most removable whiskey compass you can find.
bryanmmartin wrote:
> I have a $10 Walmart compass stuck to my canopy.
--------
W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 6621#206621
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