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1. 02:17 AM - Hawaii (Greg)
2. 06:13 AM - Re: Panel questions (pavel569)
3. 06:32 AM - Chat Room Reminder (George Race)
4. 06:39 AM - Re: Panel questions (Gig Giacona)
5. 06:44 AM - Re: Re: Panel questions (steve)
6. 06:54 AM - Re: Panel questions (Gig Giacona)
7. 07:14 AM - Re: Re: Panel questions (steve)
8. 07:16 AM - Re: Re: Panel questions (steve)
9. 07:50 AM - Re: Panel questions (Gig Giacona)
10. 08:10 AM - Re: Re: Panel questions (Frank Roskind)
11. 09:32 AM - Re: Panel questions (Gig Giacona)
12. 10:03 AM - Re: Re: Panel questions (Frank Roskind)
13. 10:10 AM - Nason switch available (601corvair)
14. 12:17 PM - Re: Re: Panel questions (Bryan Martin)
15. 12:24 PM - Re: Re: Panel questions (Bryan Martin)
16. 01:06 PM - W.W. engine mount for sale (Thomas peters)
17. 03:40 PM - Re: Re: Panel questions (Bill Naumuk)
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Hi
Are their any Zenith builders/flyers in Hawaii?? I will be in Hawaii
(Honolulu for a start) on holiday and singing Barbershop at the Pan
Pacific conference from 27 October to 12 November. It would be great to
meet any builders/flyers if they have the time or inclination.
Regards
Greg Walsh
New Zealand plans builder 6868 601XL.
About 15% done.
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| Subject: | Re: Panel questions |
As I remember, for day VFR flying is still required G-O-O-S-E-A-C-A-T, which beside
the other contains altimeter, airspeed indicator and compass.
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Pavel
CA
Zodiac XL N581PM (Reserved)
Tail, flaps, ailerons done, right wing on the table ....
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| Subject: | Chat Room Reminder |
Please join us for our Monday evening chat room starting around 8:00 PM
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| Subject: | Re: Panel questions |
notsew_evets(at)frontiern wrote:
> Is the remote compas a "Magnetic direction device".??
> ---
Yes
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W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | Re: Panel questions |
I agree and thats where I m coming from...
However from what I read, "EXPERIMENTAL" changes everything..
SW
----- Original Message -----
From: "pavel569" <pm569@HOTMAIL.COM>
Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 6:12 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Panel questions
>
> As I remember, for day VFR flying is still required G-O-O-S-E-A-C-A-T,
> which beside the other contains altimeter, airspeed indicator and compass.
>
> --------
> Pavel
> CA
> Zodiac XL N581PM (Reserved)
> Tail, flaps, ailerons done, right wing on the table ....
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 6717#206717
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Panel questions |
notsew_evets(at)frontiern wrote:
> I agree and thats where I m coming from...
> However from what I read, "EXPERIMENTAL" changes everything..
> SW
> ---
Not everything. (a) spells out the exceptions to 91.205 and experimental isn't
one of those. That said, we all know the different FSDO make different rulings
about all sorts of issues all the time. There is no reason to think that a DAR
or individual FAA inspector couldn't do the same. But let's say you DAR (who
isn't even an FAA employee) gives you an AW certificate when your plane doesn't
have the equipment required in 91.205. A year or so later you fly some place
and get ramp checked. At this point you are well and truly screwed. You will
get violated and it will stick because the FAR is really pretty clear.
Sec. 91.205
Powered civil aircraft with standard category U.S. airworthiness certificates:
Instrument and equipment requirements.
(a) General. Except as provided in paragraphs (c)(3) and (e) of this section, no
person may operate a powered civil aircraft with a standard category U.S. airworthiness
certificate in any operation described in paragraphs (b) through (f)
of this section unless that aircraft contains the
instruments and equipment specified in those paragraphs (or FAA-approved equivalents)
for that type of operation, and those instruments and items of equipment
are in operable condition.
Amdt. 91-296, Eff. 8/6/07
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W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | Re: Panel questions |
I ll drink to that !
Heck, I ll drink to anything......
I do have the stuff : ASI, ALT, Compass, Engine instruments etc... I m
old school......
Steve Weston
A20
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gig Giacona" <wrgiacona@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 6:54 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Panel questions
>
>
> notsew_evets(at)frontiern wrote:
>> I agree and thats where I m coming from...
>> However from what I read, "EXPERIMENTAL" changes everything..
>> SW
>> ---
>
>
> Not everything. (a) spells out the exceptions to 91.205 and experimental
> isn't one of those. That said, we all know the different FSDO make
> different rulings about all sorts of issues all the time. There is no
> reason to think that a DAR or individual FAA inspector couldn't do the
> same. But let's say you DAR (who isn't even an FAA employee) gives you an
> AW certificate when your plane doesn't have the equipment required in
> 91.205. A year or so later you fly some place and get ramp checked. At
> this point you are well and truly screwed. You will get violated and it
> will stick because the FAR is really pretty clear.
>
> Sec. 91.205
>
> Powered civil aircraft with standard category U.S. airworthiness
> certificates: Instrument and equipment requirements.
>
> (a) General. Except as provided in paragraphs (c)(3) and (e) of this
> section, no person may operate a powered civil aircraft with a standard
> category U.S. airworthiness certificate in any operation described in
> paragraphs (b) through (f) of this section unless that aircraft contains
> the
> instruments and equipment specified in those paragraphs (or FAA-approved
> equivalents) for that type of operation, and those instruments and items
> of equipment are in operable condition.
> Amdt. 91-296, Eff. 8/6/07
>
> --------
> W.R. "Gig" Giacona
> 601XL Under Construction
> See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 6731#206731
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Panel questions |
So, in your aircraft you HAVE a MEL....
This list will say that there are no instruments....
I wonder if that would satisfy a ramp check..??....
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gig Giacona" <wrgiacona@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 6:54 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Panel questions
>
>
> notsew_evets(at)frontiern wrote:
>> I agree and thats where I m coming from...
>> However from what I read, "EXPERIMENTAL" changes everything..
>> SW
>> ---
>
>
> Not everything. (a) spells out the exceptions to 91.205 and experimental
> isn't one of those. That said, we all know the different FSDO make
> different rulings about all sorts of issues all the time. There is no
> reason to think that a DAR or individual FAA inspector couldn't do the
> same. But let's say you DAR (who isn't even an FAA employee) gives you an
> AW certificate when your plane doesn't have the equipment required in
> 91.205. A year or so later you fly some place and get ramp checked. At
> this point you are well and truly screwed. You will get violated and it
> will stick because the FAR is really pretty clear.
>
> Sec. 91.205
>
> Powered civil aircraft with standard category U.S. airworthiness
> certificates: Instrument and equipment requirements.
>
> (a) General. Except as provided in paragraphs (c)(3) and (e) of this
> section, no person may operate a powered civil aircraft with a standard
> category U.S. airworthiness certificate in any operation described in
> paragraphs (b) through (f) of this section unless that aircraft contains
> the
> instruments and equipment specified in those paragraphs (or FAA-approved
> equivalents) for that type of operation, and those instruments and items
> of equipment are in operable condition.
> Amdt. 91-296, Eff. 8/6/07
>
> --------
> W.R. "Gig" Giacona
> 601XL Under Construction
> See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 6731#206731
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Panel questions |
notsew_evets(at)frontiern wrote:
> So, in your aircraft you HAVE a MEL....
> This list will say that there are no instruments....
> I wonder if that would satisfy a ramp check..??....
> ---
Nope. Because no acceptable to the FAA MEL would have a list that didn't at least
include the instruments listed in 91.205.
--------
W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | Re: Panel questions |
Niether experimental nor LSA aircraft have standard airworthiness certifica
tes=2C so FWIW=2C 91.205 does not apply. That said=2C why would you want t
o fly without those bare minima?> Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Panel questions
> From: wrgiacona@gmail.com> Date: Mon=2C 29 Sep 2008 06:54:12 -0700> To: z
" <wrgiacona@gmail.com>> > > notsew_evets(at)frontiern wrote:> > I agree an
d thats where I m coming from...> > However from what I read=2C "EXPERIMENT
AL" changes everything..> > SW> > ---> > > Not everything. (a) spells out t
he exceptions to 91.205 and experimental isn't one of those. That said=2C w
e all know the different FSDO make different rulings about all sorts of iss
ues all the time. There is no reason to think that a DAR or individual FAA
inspector couldn't do the same. But let's say you DAR (who isn't even an FA
A employee) gives you an AW certificate when your plane doesn't have the eq
uipment required in 91.205. A year or so later you fly some place and get r
amp checked. At this point you are well and truly screwed. You will get vio
lated and it will stick because the FAR is really pretty clear. > > Sec. 91
.205> > Powered civil aircraft with standard category U.S. airworthiness ce
rtificates: Instrument and equipment requirements.> > (a) General. Except a
s provided in paragraphs (c)(3) and (e) of this section=2C no person may op
erate a powered civil aircraft with a standard category U.S. airworthiness
certificate in any operation described in paragraphs (b) through (f) of thi
s section unless that aircraft contains the> instruments and equipment spec
ified in those paragraphs (or FAA-approved equivalents) for that type of op
eration=2C and those instruments and items of equipment are in operable con
dition.> Amdt. 91-296=2C Eff. 8/6/07> > --------> W.R. "=3BGig"=3B
Giacona> 601XL Under Construction> See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N6
01WR> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/v
====================> > >
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| Subject: | Re: Panel questions |
frankroskind(at)HOTMAIL.C wrote:
> Niether experimental nor LSA aircraft have standard airworthiness certificates
C so FWIW C 91.205 does not apply. That said C why would you want to fly without
those bare minima?
[Embarassed] I read that paragraph at least three times looking for just that
issue and yet never found it. I knew there was a reason I didn't go to law school.
--------
W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | Re: Panel questions |
If you'd gone to law school you would have learned to read that paragraph
=2C so no more excuses. Email me for a link to the LSAT schedule and a let
ter of recommendation to the law school of your choice. :)
Frank
Do not archive> Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Panel questions> From: wrgiacona@
gmail.com> Date: Mon=2C 29 Sep 2008 09:31:03 -0700> To: zenith-list@matroni
.com>> > > frankroskind(at)HOTMAIL.C wrote:> > Niether experimental nor LSA
aircraft have standard airworthiness certificates C so FWIW C 91.205 does
not apply.=EF=BD That said C why would you want to fly without those bar
e minima?> > > > [Embarassed] I read that paragraph at least three times lo
oking for just that issue and yet never found it. I knew there was a reason
I didn't go to law school.> > --------> W.R. "=3BGig"=3B Giacona>
601XL Under Construction> See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR> > >
> > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.
=================> > >
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| Subject: | Nason switch available |
For anyone looking for Nason Switch SM-2C-20F
Pricing and availability in the string below.
They are 27.50, I don't know about shipping. but Mike takes MasterCard. etc.
Phill
--------------------------------------------------
--Hey Phill:
Ok, the screw terminals are no problem. To get those, use the original part
number you gave me:
SM-2C-20F
When you don't write a connection option in the part number it automatically
defaults to screw terminals. I only questioned it originally because most
don't know that when writing the part number. So, with that number you
should be good to go. Price and delivery is the same as I quoted you
before.
Feel free to pass the information along to your friends. Kodiak has no
problem there.
Thanks Phill
Mike Phelps
Kodiak Controls, Inc.
630-629-3733
-----Original Message
Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 11:14 AM
Subject: RE: oil switch22
Mike:
I looked up the current installation and it has screws that hold the wire.
Do you have that one? If you do, and you don't mind, can I pass this on to
some friends?
Thanks phill
-----Original Message-----
>From: Mike Phelps <mike@kodiakcontrols.com>
>Sent: Sep 29, 2008 9:26 AM
>Subject: RE: oil switch
>
>Hey Phill:
>
>Thanks for the email. I'd be happy to help you out and give you a price
on
>this. 1 thing you left off of the part number is the "electrical
>connection." I went ahead and quoted "1/4" Spade Connection".
Let me know
>if it is different.
>
>Part#: SM-2C-20F-QC
>Price: $27.50
>Delivery: 3-4 weeks
>
>We do accept Mastercard or Visa for payment. To order, just give us a
call!
>
>Thanks and let me know if you have any questions at all!
>
>Sincerely,
>
>Mike Phelps
>Kodiak Controls, Inc.
>630-629-3733
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Hartig, P [mailto:phartig@mindspring.com]
>Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 7:38 AM
>To: kodiak@kodiakcontrols.com
>Subject: oil switch
>
>Sir:
>I am trying to purchase a Nason oil pressure switch for a home project.
>specifically Nason part:
>
>SM-2C-20F
>
>Do you carry it and how can I order it. I have several friends working on
>similar projects who would like one. I can pass the information on.
Thanks
>phill hartig
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| Subject: | Re: Panel questions |
91.205 only applies to aircraft with standard airworthiness
certificates, it does not apply to experimental or SLSA airworthiness
certificates unless your operating limitations say differently.
>
>
> As I remember, for day VFR flying is still required G-O-O-S-E-A-C-A-
> T, which beside the other contains altimeter, airspeed indicator and
> compass.
>
> --------
> Pavel
> CA
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL,
RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.
do not archive.
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| Subject: | Re: Panel questions |
The key words here are "standard airworthiness certificate". An
amateur built aircraft does not have a standard airworthiness
certificate, it has an experimental airworthiness certificate as does
an ELSA. An SLSA has a special airworthiness certificate. 91.205
doesn't strictly apply to any of these aircraft. The operating
limitations will state when and if this rule applies to one of these
aircraft.
On Sep 29, 2008, at 9:54 AM, Gig Giacona wrote:
>
>
> notsew_evets(at)frontiern wrote:
>> I agree and thats where I m coming from...
>> However from what I read, "EXPERIMENTAL" changes everything..
>> SW
>> ---
>
>
> Not everything. (a) spells out the exceptions to 91.205 and
> experimental isn't one of those. That said, we all know the
> different FSDO make different rulings about all sorts of issues all
> the time. There is no reason to think that a DAR or individual FAA
> inspector couldn't do the same. But let's say you DAR (who isn't
> even an FAA employee) gives you an AW certificate when your plane
> doesn't have the equipment required in 91.205. A year or so later
> you fly some place and get ramp checked. At this point you are well
> and truly screwed. You will get violated and it will stick because
> the FAR is really pretty clear.
>
> Sec. 91.205
>
> Powered civil aircraft with standard category U.S. airworthiness
> certificates: Instrument and equipment requirements.
>
> (a) General. Except as provided in paragraphs (c)(3) and (e) of this
> section, no person may operate a powered civil aircraft with a
> standard category U.S. airworthiness certificate in any operation
> described in paragraphs (b) through (f) of this section unless that
> aircraft contains the
> instruments and equipment specified in those paragraphs (or FAA-
> approved equivalents) for that type of operation, and those
> instruments and items of equipment are in operable condition.
> Amdt. 91-296, Eff. 8/6/07
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL,
RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.
do not archive.
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| Subject: | W.W. engine mount for sale |
----- Original Message -----
New W.W 601XL motor mount for sale. $639.
Contact tgpeters001@comcast.net Please contact me off list.
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| Subject: | Re: Panel questions |
All-
Since it's Monday and they're open now, I sent the question to the
EAA tech advisors. I'm killing the thread with DNA and will post what I
get back from EAA.
Bill
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