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1. 04:59 AM - Re: Instrument panel marking (steveadams)
2. 06:16 AM - Re: Panel questions (Gig Giacona)
3. 06:16 AM - Re: Members Only Question- Whiskey compass (Gig Giacona)
4. 10:49 AM - Another HD canopy question (Bill Steer)
5. 12:40 PM - Re: Another HD canopy question (Gig Giacona)
6. 01:17 PM - Re: Another HD canopy question (Jeyoung65@aol.com)
7. 01:49 PM - Re: Instrument panel marking (wade jones)
8. 02:00 PM - Ping Wade Jones Franklin 0-235 (Gig Giacona)
9. 02:01 PM - Re:Another HD canopy question (THOMAS SMALL)
10. 02:25 PM - Re: Ping Wade Jones Franklin 0-235 (wade jones)
11. 02:32 PM - Re: Another HD canopy question (pavel569)
12. 03:26 PM - Re: Re: Members Only Question- Whiskey compass (Bill Naumuk)
13. 03:28 PM - Fw: Members Only Question- Whiskey compass (Bill Naumuk)
14. 03:38 PM - Transponders (Bill Naumuk)
15. 04:53 PM - Re: Another HD canopy question (THOMAS SMALL)
16. 05:03 PM - Re: Ping Wade Jones Franklin 0-235 (Gary Gower)
17. 05:12 PM - Re: Re: Another HD canopy question (Craig Payne)
18. 05:16 PM - Off topic: Steve Fossett Items Found Near Mammoth Lakes, CA (Craig Payne)
19. 11:11 PM - Official Zenith-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
20. 11:18 PM - Official Zenith-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)
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| Subject: | Re: Instrument panel marking |
I used the transparent sheet from staples also, printed with an inkjet printer.
I then sprayed 2 coats of rattle can clear enamel over the print to provide durability.
It has held up well for 3+ years.
Steve
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| Subject: | Re: Panel questions |
I thought we settled that with "Yes, the Dynon is a magnetic compass as required
by the rules but if you get a DAR that doesn't believe that and you don't want
to put up the fight required to overrule him get a compass from Wal-Mart to
make them happy"
naumuk(at)alltel.net wrote:
> Unfortunately, it doesn't settle the Dynon/whiskey compass question, which
> was the whole point in the first place.
> Bill
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W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | Re: Members Only Question- Whiskey compass |
Just so you know the actual answer didn't show up on the forum.
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W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | Another HD canopy question |
I'm still working on the canopy for my 601HD. Everything is done except
installing the outside flashing and the rubber gasket. I notice that
the canopy lifts itself off the nylon support blocks on the side
opposite the side that is being lifted when I try to open it with the
outside flashing clecoed in place. I'm fairly sure that's because the
bottom of that flashing cannot move inward in the areas where it
contacts the fuselage skins fore and aft of the canopy opening, so it
kind of "pries" itself out of the blocks. This is with the hooks
disengaged all around, by the way, so there's been no damage to the
flashing or canopy frame. I trimmed off the outside flashing so it's
flush with the plexiglass at the front and back ends. Does the bottom
of the flashing also need to be trimmed so it's at least as high as the
pivot line, so it doesn't try to swing in while the canopy is being
opened? Or am I missing something completely?
Thanks for any thoughts.
Bill
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| Subject: | Re: Another HD canopy question |
steerr(at)bellsouth.net wrote:
> Does the bottom
> of the flashing also need to be trimmed so it's at least as high as the
> pivot line, so it doesn't try to swing in while the canopy is being
> opened? Or am I missing something completely?
>
> Thanks for any thoughts.
>
> Bill
Bill I'm not 100% sure I know what you are getting at but if it is what I think
it is there is a perfectly good reason to trim the flashing so it doesn't extend
below the frame. I noticed while doing mine that if the flashing was below
frame you pretty much just built a simple yet very affective finger removing
machine. Trust me, two fingers on my left hand were almost proof. The only reason
they are still there is the fact that the canopy didn't come all the way down
on the latch.
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W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | Re: Another HD canopy question |
Bill, I guessing your canopy open to the side, per my drawing 6-E-4 dated
09-03 the flashing 94 0) is riveted to the tube 6E4-5 and is trimed just above
the bottom of the tube and them bent inward around the tube. Looks like
this would provide a good air leak into the cabin. Jerry of GA
In a message dated 10/1/2008 1:52:27 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
steerr@bellsouth.net writes:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Bill Steer <steerr@bellsouth.net>
I'm still working on the canopy for my 601HD. Everything is done except
installing the outside flashing and the rubber gasket. I notice that
the canopy lifts itself off the nylon support blocks on the side
opposite the side that is being lifted when I try to open it with the
outside flashing clecoed in place. I'm fairly sure that's because the
bottom of that flashing cannot move inward in the areas where it
contacts the fuselage skins fore and aft of the canopy opening, so it
kind of "pries" itself out of the blocks. This is with the hooks
disengaged all around, by the way, so there's been no damage to the
flashing or canopy frame. I trimmed off the outside flashing so it's
flush with the plexiglass at the front and back ends. Does the bottom
of the flashing also need to be trimmed so it's at least as high as the
pivot line, so it doesn't try to swing in while the canopy is being
opened? Or am I missing something completely?
Thanks for any thoughts.
Bill
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| Subject: | Re: Instrument panel marking |
Thanks to all of the group that replied to my post on panel marking .I
have decided to go with the brother P marking method . Thanks again
Wade Jones South Texas
601XL Franklin 0-235
----- Original Message -----
From: wade jones
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 6:50 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Instrument panel marking
Hello group ,I am about ready to start marking my panel .Items like
fuel pumps ,flaps ,trim ect. What have the members been having the best
luck with . Thanks
Wade Jones South Texas
601XL Franklin 0-235
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| Subject: | Ping Wade Jones Franklin 0-235 |
I noticed for the first time in your sig that you are using a Franklin in your
plane. Back when I got started building I though about using that engine but was
warned off because they are supposed to be near impossible to get parts for.
Have you found a parts source?
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W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | Re:Another HD canopy question |
I trimmed off the outside flashing so it's
flush with the plexiglass at the front and back ends. Does the bottom
of the flashing also need to be trimmed so it's at least as high as the
pivot line, so it doesn't try to swing in while the canopy is being
opened? Or am I missing something completely?
Bill,
I'm going to assume that you are building the older side opener,
correct? If so you will find that the flashing will have to be trimmed
so that as the tube along the top longeron pivots in the nylon blocks,
the plexi and the flashing are trimmed to clear the side skin. Best way
to see this is to stand to one side and have someone you trust raise the
other side of the canopy and see for yourself. This is probably going
to be a trial and error fitting. You will end up with quite a gap that
you'll fill with some type of foam insulation - either that or have
chilly, breezy airtime.
You can see that typical gap of the older side opener on N601WB in the
attached. Sorry I don't have a closer view. Note the cutouts for the
nylon blocks.
Good luck...jeff
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| Subject: | Re: Ping Wade Jones Franklin 0-235 |
Yes Gig ,I have found a parts source .I have bought two new Slick mags from
Aircraft Spruce ,starter from local people and I already had a carburetor .I
will use an auto alternator and the fuel pump is the same one used by
Corvair .I forget what the TBO for this engine is ,however at my age 75 this
is not an issue .It is a beautiful engine and I have had good results with
Franklins in the past .
Wade Jones South Texas
601XL Franklin 0-235
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gig Giacona" <wrgiacona@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 4:00 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Ping Wade Jones Franklin 0-235
>
> I noticed for the first time in your sig that you are using a Franklin in
> your plane. Back when I got started building I though about using that
> engine but was warned off because they are supposed to be near impossible
> to get parts for.
>
> Have you found a parts source?
>
> --------
> W.R. "Gig" Giacona
> 601XL Under Construction
> See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 7076#207076
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Another HD canopy question |
This is not related to your post, but I love that rudder tip. Did you make it yourself
or is it for sale somewhere?
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Pavel
CA
Zodiac XL N581PM (Reserved)
Tail, flaps, ailerons done, right wing on the table ....
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| Subject: | Re: Members Only Question- Whiskey compass |
All-
If that's the case, I'll re-post the response immediately.
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gig Giacona" <wrgiacona@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 9:16 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Members Only Question- Whiskey compass
>
> Just so you know the actual answer didn't show up on the forum.
>
> --------
> W.R. "Gig" Giacona
> 601XL Under Construction
> See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | Fw: Members Only Question- Whiskey compass |
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Naumuk
Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 6:13 PM
Subject: Fw: Members Only Question- Whiskey compass
All-
OK, here's the answer in it's entirety. Looks like the Dynon is a
go.
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: Joe Norris
Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 12:37 PM
Subject: RE: Members Only Question- Whiskey compass
Hello Bill,
An experimental aircraft that is operated day-VFR only is not required
to have a compass at all. Only if operated at night or under IFR is the
aircraft required to have a compass (along with all other equipment
called out in FAR 91.205). In any event, any "magnetic direction
indicator" that is capable of finding north on its own will meet the
requirement. There is no specific requirement for any particular type
of indicator/compass.
Joe
Joe Norris
EAA 113615 Lifetime
Homebuilders Community Manager
EAA-The Spirit of Aviation
Phone: 888.322.4636 Extension 6806
Fax: 920.426.6560
www.eaa.org
See you at EAA AirVenture Oshkosh-July 27 - August 2, 2009
From: Bill Naumuk [mailto:naumuk@alltel.net]
Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 5:33 PM
Subject: Members Only Question- Whiskey compass
EAA-
Big fight going on the Zenith builder's website that I started.
I thought I had to equip my panel with a whiskey compass by
regulations and just bought a Dynon D-100 with slaved magnetic compass.
Do I still need the whiskey compass to pass regs? I have the Dynon
LithIon backup and a handheld GPS, so it's not like I'm without
redundant systems.I really don't want the extra weight and panel space
of the whiskey compass if I don't have to use it.
Thanks.
Bill Naumuk
Townville, Pa.
HDS 601MG/Corvair 95%
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All-
Good advice on the bracket. I was thinking more in terms of just a
way to mount the unit, never considering there might be an integral
connector interface. Now that I think about it, an alt encoder isn't
really necessary for the type of flying I do.
Bill Naumuk
Townville, Pa.
HDS 601MG/Corvair 95%
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| Subject: | Re: Another HD canopy question |
This is not related to your post, but I love that rudder tip. Did you
make it yourself
or is it for sale somewhere?
Pavel,
I made it myself following an examination and pep talk from Wayne
Beattie who owns that very nice N601WB. I can send you a bit of
tutorial on it if interested. It's of medium size and I don't know if
you hotmail address will take it. If you have another email contact me
directly.
cheers jeff do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Ping Wade Jones Franklin 0-235 |
Good logical answer Wade.- -What ever engine with more than 1,500 hrs o
f TBO,- we (pilots by sport)-install in our airplanes,- we will only
need tune up parts...- :-)- :-)-
-
Saludos
Gary Gower
Flying from Chapala, Mexico
701 912S-- only about 210 hrs-in 2 years;-TBO- 1,500 hrs (?)
That gives close to-15 years of fun flying :-) -
-
--- On Wed, 10/1/08, wade jones <wjones@brazoriainet.com> wrote:
From: wade jones <wjones@brazoriainet.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Ping Wade Jones Franklin 0-235
<wjones@brazoriainet.com>
Yes Gig ,I have found a parts source .I have bought two new Slick mags from
Aircraft Spruce ,starter from local people and I already had a carburetor .
I
will use an auto alternator and the fuel pump is the same one used by
Corvair .I forget what the TBO for this engine is ,however at my age 75 thi
s
is not an issue .It is a beautiful engine and I have had good results with
Franklins in the past .
Wade Jones South Texas
601XL Franklin 0-235
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gig Giacona" <wrgiacona@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 4:00 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Ping Wade Jones Franklin 0-235
<wrgiacona@gmail.com>
>
> I noticed for the first time in your sig that you are using a Franklin in
> your plane. Back when I got started building I though about using that
> engine but was warned off because they are supposed to be near impossible
> to get parts for.
>
> Have you found a parts source?
>
> --------
> W.R. "Gig" Giacona
> 601XL Under Construction
> See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 7076#207076
>
>
>
=0A=0A=0A
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| Subject: | Re: Another HD canopy question |
That would be a good addition to the (nit quick but permanent) photo/file
share for the list:
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
-- Craig
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of THOMAS SMALL
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 5:49 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Another HD canopy question
This is not related to your post, but I love that rudder tip. Did you make
it yourself
or is it for sale somewhere?
Pavel,
I made it myself following an examination and pep talk from Wayne Beattie
who owns that very nice N601WB. I can send you a bit of tutorial on it if
interested. It's of medium size and I don't know if you hotmail address
will take it. If you have another email contact me directly.
cheers jeff do not archive
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| Subject: | Off topic: Steve Fossett Items Found Near Mammoth Lakes, |
CA
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The original article can be found on SFGate.com here:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2008/10/01/BAPT139M9N.DT
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Wednesday, October 1, 2008 (SF Chronicle) Fossett items found near Mammoth
Lakes Kevin Fagan, Chronicle Staff Writer
(10-01) 14:40 PDT SAN FRANCISCO -- Search and rescue teams are climbing high
into a mountainous area of Madera County today to hunt for the remains of
millionaire aviator Steve Fossett, whose identification papers were found
over the weekend near Mammoth Lakes.
A local hiker said he found three ID cards issued to Fossett by the Federal
Aviation Administration and the National Aeronautic Association.
They are the first solid sign of the 63-year-old adventurer since he
disappeared on Sept. 3, 2007 after taking off for a pleasure flight from a
private airport south of Reno, Nev.
A host of federal, state and local agencies launched one of the most
intensive hunts in national history after Fossett vanished, but except for a
few forays into California near Bridgeport and Mono Lake, the effort was
concentrated in Nevada.
A handful of searchers made a flyover of the Mammoth Lakes region over the
past year, based on an unconfirmed reported sighting of his plane in the
area, but found nothing. Today's hunt is the first extensive search there.
"We're trying to get Mono County Search and Rescue crews up there this
afternoon," said Stuart Brown, spokesman for Mammoth Lakes, a popular ski
town east of Yosemite National Park. "It's pretty steep, treacherous and
rugged up there, and the winds are a real issue. We'll see what we can do."
The crews are searching the wooded slopes above Ridge Lake, which is near
the Minarets, a jagged string of peaks about five miles east of Mammoth
Lakes. Elevation in the area reaches 12,000 feet. They will have to work
fast, Brown noted, because a three-day snow storm is expected to sweep in
Thursday and drop up to a foot of snow.
Tom Cage, owner of Kittredge Sports in Mammoth Lakes, said his store
manager, Preston Morrow, found the items while he was day-hiking with his
dog late Monday afternoon in the Inyo National Forest.
Morrow found a pilots license and a gliders license, both issued by the
FAA, plus the membership card for the NAA, a nonprofit group that promotes
aviation and gave Fossett an award in 2002 for setting a fistful of flying
records.
The hiker also found 10 $100 bills, a $5 bill and a weathered Nautica
brand sweatshirt, Cage said as Morrow shouted assent from the other side of
the store, where he was inundated by local television crews. The finds were
made at an elevation of 10,100 feet, two miles east of the Minarets and
"about six miles into some very tough terrain," Cage said.
"Preston didn't realize what he found until the next day," said Cage. "He
just thought he was taking some trash out of the wilderness, so he took it
home, watched Monday night football, and didn't look at it again until the
next day."
Once he read Fossett's name on the papers, Cage said, he, Morrow and
Morrow's wife went back into the wilderness to search for more items and to
get GPS coordinates for the area. They then went to the Mammoth Lakes Police
Department on Tuesday with the items and the coordinates.
There has been no confirmation that the money or sweatshirt belonged to
Fossett. But the discovery near the ID cards made them items of great
interest, a spokesman for the Mono County Sheriff's Office reported.
The debris was found just over the county line separating Mono and Madera
counties, so Madera's sheriff and emergency officials will be taking the
lead on the search. Mono County search teams are closer to the area today,
so they are heading up the slopes first.
Fossett vanished after lifting off for a morning solo jaunt in an
acrobatics-style Bellanca Super Decathlon airplane from the swanky private
airport of his friend, hotel mogul Barron Hilton. The initial search teams
tried to follow tips from sightings on the ground and partial radar
trackings, and then scoped the hunt out to a huge area taking in most of the
south-middle portion of rugged, desert Nevada. Three private teams took a
cut at the hunt this summer, also with no success.
The aviator was world-renowned for setting 115 flying and sailing
records, including being the first to circle the earth alone without
fueling. The wealthy financial broker had also swum the English Channel and
climbed Mount Kilimanjaro, leading his friends to say if anyone could
survive an air crash, he could.
Speculation that he disappeared on purpose has been quickly dismissed by
search authorities and his family. A judge in Chicago, where Fossett
maintained a home in addition to a part-time residence in Carmel, declared
him dead on Feb. 15.
E-mail Kevin Fagan at kfagan@sfchronicle.com.
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Copyright 2008 SF Chronicle
-- Craig
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If the email address isn't found in the current list of subscribers, it
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Remember, however, that the syntax of your email address is very important
with regard to the configuration of your email application such as Outlook
or Eudora. For example, the following two email addresses may be
functionally equivalent, but only one would pass the Matronics Email SPAM
test depending on which was syntax was subscribed to the given List:
smith@machine.domain.com
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Either email address syntax is alright, just be sure that you configure
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the List.
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*** Enclosure Support on the Lists ***
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Limited posting of enclosures such as pictures, documents, and spreadsheets
is supported on the Lists. There are a number of restrictions, and these
are detailed below. Please abide by the rules put forth regarding the
content of enclosures.
These are some of the features and limits of enclosures on the Matronics
Lists:
1) Enclosures will only be posted to the Real Time version of the Lists.
2) Enclosures will NOT be included in the Daily Digest version of the Lists.
3) Enclosures WILL BE forwarded on to the BBS Forum Web site.
4) Enclosures will NOT be appended to the Archives.
5) Enclosures will NOT be available in the List Browse feature.
6) Only the following file types and extensions will be allowed:
bmp doc dwg dxf gif jpg pdf png txt xls
All other enclosures types will be rejected and email returned to
sender. The enclosure types listed above are relatively safe from
a virus standpoint and don't pose a particularly large security risk.
7) !! All incoming enclosures will be scanned for viruses prior to posting
to the List. This is done in real time and will not slow down
the process of posting the message !!
Here are some rules for posting enclosures. Failure to abide by these rules
could result in the removal of a subscriber's email address from the Lists.
1) Pay attention to what you are posting!! Make sure that the files
you are enclosing aren't HUGE (greater that 1MB). Remember that there
are still people checking they're email via dial up modem. If you post
30MB worth of pictures, you are placing an unnecessary burden on these
folks and the rest of us, for that matter.
2) SCALE YOUR PICTURES DOWN!!! I don't want to see huge 3000 x 2000
pictures getting posted that are 3 or 4MB each. This is just
unacceptable. Use a program such as Photoshop to scale the picture
down to something on the order of 800 x 600 and try to keep the
file size to less-than 200KB, preferably much less.
Microsoft has a really awesome utility available for free that allows
you to Right-Click on a picture in Explorer and automatically
scale it down and resave it. This is a great utility - get it, use it!
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/powertoys/xppowertoys.mspx
Look for the link "Image Resizer"
3) !! This would seem to go without saying, but I'll say it anyway. Do not
post anything that would be considered offensive by your grandmother.
And you know what I'm saying; I don't want to see anything even
questionable. !!
4) REMEMBER THIS: If you post a 1MB enclosure to a List with 1000 members
subscribed, your 1MB enclosure must be resent 1000 times amounting
to 1MB X 1000 = 1 Gigabyte of network traffic!! BE CAREFUL and
BE COURTEOUS!
Also see the section below on the Matronics Photo and File Share where
you can have your files and photos posted on the Matronics web server
for long time viewing and availability.
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Now some caveats:
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the subject line to reflect the topic of your response! Also, please
*do not include all or most of the digest in your reply*.
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at the following location:
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for your email address and a possible reason for your removal.
The Matronics Email List uses utility called the "Email Weasel" that
automatically looks though the day's bounced email for addresses that
caused problems due to common things like "user is unknown", "mailbox
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Please forward this information to the following email address:
requests@matronics.com
I have a file of such things, that I typically use to contact you when
there are problems with your email address. The information will NOT
be used for any other commercial purpose.
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the Web for realtime browsing. Seven days worth of back postings are
available with this feature. The messages can be sorted by Subject,
Author, Date, or Message Thread. The Realtime List Browser indexes are
updated twice per hour at xx:15 and xx:45. You can also reply to a message
or start a new message directly from the List Browser Interface (coming soon).
You do not have to be subscribed to the given list to use the List
Browser Interface in view-mode.
http://www.matronics.com/browselist/zenith-list
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content. The Forums contain all of the same content available via the email
distribution and found on the various archive viewing formats such as the
List Browse, etc. Any posts on the web Forums will be cross posted to the
respective email List, and posts to the Email List will be cross posted to
the web Forums.
You may view all List content on the Forums without any special login.
If you wish to post a message via the Web Forum interface, however, you
will need to Register. This is a simple process that takes only a few
minutes. A link to the Registration page can be found at the top of the
main web Forums page. Note that registering on the Forum web site also
enables you to send email posts to the Lists as well. You will also need to
Subscribe to the respective Email List as described above to receive the
Email Distribution of the List, however.
The Matroincs Email List Web BBS Forums can be found at the following URL:
http://forums.matronics.com
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In an attempt to make it easy to store and find structured and often accessed
information, Matronics has installed a Wiki at:
http://wiki.matronics.com
The Wiki allows individuals to create web pages to contain useful information
for other users of the mailing lists and web site. Unlike an ordinary web page
where the content needs to be submitted to Matronics for inclusion, the Wiki
permits the users to construct their own pages and have them visible immediately.
While constructing pages for the Wiki is not difficult, some may not be
comfortable building pages. In that case, simply prepare the text and any
images and email it to:
wiki-support@matronics.com
One of the volunteers on that list will take your submission and construct
a Wiki page for you.
Often someone produces a particularly useful posting in email one one of the
Lists that would be of general interest. In that case Matronics may take that
post and convert it into a Wiki page.
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A file containing of all of the previous postings to the Zenith-List is
available on line. The archive file information is available via the
Web and FTP in a number of forms. Each are briefly described below:
* Zenith-List.FAQ
- Latest version of the Zenith-List Frequently Asked Question
page (this document).
* Zenith-Archive.digest.complete
- Complete file with most of the email header info removed and
page breaks inserted between messages.
* Zenith-Archive.digest.vol-??
- Same as the file above, but broken up into small sections that
can more easily handled.
* Zenith-Archive.digest.complete.zip
- Same as the Zenith-Archive.digest.complete file above, but
in PKZIP format. Use "binary" data transfer methods.
* Zenith-Archive.digest.complete.Z
- Same as the Zenith-Archive.digest.complete file above, but in
UNIX compress format. Use "binary" data transfer methods.
Download Via FTP
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The archive file is available via anonymous FTP from ftp.matronics.com
in the "/pub/Archives" directory. It is updated daily and can be found in
a number of formats as described above. (All filenames are case sensitive.)
ftp://ftp.matronics.com/pub/Archives
Download Via Web
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The archives are also available via a web listing. These can be found
toward the bottom of the following web page:
http://www.matronics.com/archives
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*** Complete List Web Archive Browsing ***
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All messages posted to the Zenith-List are also available using the
Email List Archive Browsing feature. With this utility, all messages
in the List are indexed, and individual sub-archives can be browsed.
http://www.matronics.com/archive/archive-index.cgi?Zenith
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You can use the custom, high-performance Matronics Email List Search Engine
to quickly locate and browse any messages that have been posted to the
List. The Engine allows the user to easily search any of the currently
available List archives.
http://www.matronics.com/search
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*** File and Photo Share ***
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With the Matronics Email List File and Photo Share you can share pictures
and other data with members of the List without having to forward a
copy of it to everyone. To share your Files and Photos, simply email
them to:
pictures@matronics.com
!! ==> Please including the following information with each submission:
1) Email Lists that they are related to.
2) Your Full Name.
3) Your Email Address.
4) One line Subject description.
5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic.
6-x) One-line Description of each photo or file
Prior to public availability of the files and photos, each will be scanned
for viruses. Please also note that the process of making the files and
photos available on the web site is a pseudo-manual process, and I try to
process them every few days.
Following the availability of the new Photoshare, an email message will be
sent to the Email Lists enumerated in 1) above indicating that the new
Share is available and what the direct URL to it is.
For a current list of available Photoshares, have a look at the Main
Index Page:
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
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*** List Archive CDROM ***
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A complete Matronics Email List Archive CD is available that contains
all of the archives since the beginning of each of the Lists. The archives
for all of the Lists are included on the CD along with a freeware search
engine written by a list member. The CD is burned the day you order it
and will contain archive received up to the last minute. They make
great gifts!
http://www.matronics.com/ArchiveCDROM
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Zenith-List Usage Guidelines
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Zenith-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the Zenith-List in the manner described below may result
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The purpose of the Zenith-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
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- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
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- Occassional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularyly
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| Subject: | Official Zenith-List Usage Guidelines |
Dear Listers,
Please read over the Zenith-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
Zenith-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Zenith-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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Zenith-List Usage Guidelines
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Zenith-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the Zenith-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
Zenith-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the Zenith-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occassional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularyly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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