---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 10/07/08: 24 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:51 AM - Crack in canopy (Jeff Barnes) 2. 08:10 AM - Carck In Canopy (Jeff Barnes) 3. 08:14 AM - Re: Crack in canopy (Bryan Martin) 4. 09:05 AM - Re: ETCHING PRIMER/ CLEANER (wade jones) 5. 09:30 AM - Re: ETCHING PRIMER/ CLEANER (Southern Reflections) 6. 11:50 AM - Panel lettering (wade jones) 7. 12:03 PM - Re: Crack in canopy (Dirk Zahtilla) 8. 12:10 PM - Re: Panel lettering (pavel569) 9. 12:22 PM - Re: Crack in canopy (steve) 10. 01:12 PM - Re: Panel lettering (TxDave) 11. 01:25 PM - Re: Panel lettering (pavel569) 12. 01:25 PM - Re: Carck In Canopy (Gig Giacona) 13. 01:31 PM - Re: Crack in canopy (Gig Giacona) 14. 01:36 PM - Cleaning of dried Zinc Cromate (Gig Giacona) 15. 01:50 PM - Re: Cleaning of dried Zinc Cromate (Rick Lindstrom) 16. 02:33 PM - Re: Re: Panel lettering (Gary Ray) 17. 03:05 PM - Re: Panel lettering (jaybannist@cs.com) 18. 03:17 PM - Re: Crack in canopy (jaybannist@cs.com) 19. 03:29 PM - Re: Panel lettering (wade jones) 20. 03:42 PM - Re: Re: Panel lettering (wade jones) 21. 05:00 PM - Avmap EKP IV and XM weather (annken100) 22. 05:23 PM - Re: Re: Crack in canopy (Dirk Zahtilla) 23. 05:23 PM - Re: Crack in canopy (Bill Pagan) 24. 07:34 PM - Re: Re: Crack in canopy (Bryan Martin) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:51:29 AM PST US From: "Jeff Barnes" Subject: Zenith-List: Crack in canopy I have a small crack in my canopy on my 601xl under the side flashing. Any suggestions on how to prevent it from spreading such as adhesives and or drilling the end of the crack. Thanks. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:10:10 AM PST US From: "Jeff Barnes" Subject: Zenith-List: Carck In Canopy I am working on a 601XL and have a crack in the canopy around a screw hole under the side flashing. What is the best way to prevent the crack from spreading, i.e. drilling the end of the crack, adhesives, etc. Any info would be appreciated. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:14:41 AM PST US From: Bryan Martin Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Crack in canopy Drill a small hole at the end of the crack to stop it from spreading. Then get some methylene chloride (or a water-thin plexiglas adhesive) and apply it to the crack. The thin liquid should wick into the crack and fuse the edges together. Wipe up any excess liquid immediately or it will attack the surface of the plexiglas On Oct 7, 2008, at 10:50 AM, Jeff Barnes wrote: > I have a small crack in my canopy on my 601xl under the side > flashing. Any suggestions on how to prevent it from spreading such > as adhesives and or drilling the end of the crack. Thanks. -- Bryan Martin N61BM, CH 601 XL, RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive. do not archive. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:05:17 AM PST US From: "wade jones" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: ETCHING PRIMER/ CLEANER Hi Joe ,I use the rattle can self etching primer from NAPA auto stores for small priming jobs .I wipe it down with acetone and scuff it some . Wade Jones South Texas 601XL Franklin 0-235 ----- Original Message ----- From: Southern Reflections To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 8:42 PM Subject: Zenith-List: ETCHING PRIMER/ CLEANER What is the best primer in a can to use,and what is the best cleaner to use to prep the metal? Joe N101HD ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:30:04 AM PST US From: "Southern Reflections" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: ETCHING PRIMER/ CLEANER Thanks Wade, Joe N101HD ----- Original Message ----- From: wade jones To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 12:04 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: ETCHING PRIMER/ CLEANER Hi Joe ,I use the rattle can self etching primer from NAPA auto stores for small priming jobs .I wipe it down with acetone and scuff it some . Wade Jones South Texas 601XL Franklin 0-235 ----- Original Message ----- From: Southern Reflections To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 8:42 PM Subject: Zenith-List: ETCHING PRIMER/ CLEANER What is the best primer in a can to use,and what is the best cleaner to use to prep the metal? Joe N101HD href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List">http://www.matron href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:50:04 AM PST US From: "wade jones" Subject: Zenith-List: Panel lettering Hello group ,I have just come up with a bright (cheap for me ) idea .I am in the process of completing my instrument panel .I only need a few white on clear labels to identify a few things like flaps, trim ect. Instead of me buying a Brother P label maker for a one time use is there someone on the site that has gone this way before me that may have the equipment to make me a few labels .If so I can sent a list of what I need . Thanks Wade Jones South Texas 601XL Franklin 0-235 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 12:03:45 PM PST US From: "Dirk Zahtilla" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Crack in canopy Also if you heat the opposite side with a hair dryer when applying the adhesive it will help it to wick into the crack. Z Drill a small hole at the end of the crack to stop it from spreading. Then get some methylene chloride (or a water-thin plexiglas adhesive) and apply it to the crack. The thin liquid should wick into the crack and fuse the edges together. Wipe up any excess liquid immediately or it will attack the surface of the plexiglas On Oct 7, 2008, at 10:50 AM, Jeff Barnes wrote: I have a small crack in my canopy on my 601xl under the side flashing. Any suggestions on how to prevent it from spreading such as adhesives and or drilling the end of the crack. Thanks. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 12:10:33 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Panel lettering From: "pavel569" I like the idea of using a inkjet water slide decals. It is inexpensive and you can do pretty much anything you want with your drawing software and inkjet printer. Print it, then thin coat of lacquer, cut out of the sheet and you're done. If you don't like the look, just spray water over it and you can remove it without any trace. -------- Pavel CA Zodiac XL N581PM (Reserved) Tail, flaps, ailerons done, right wing on the table .... Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 7800#207800 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:22:08 PM PST US From: "steve" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Crack in canopy Also, www.skysailing.com sells "slap stick". Its used for glider canopy repairs. Tell em Steve W. sent you and a discount is possible... ----- Original Message ----- From: Dirk Zahtilla To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 11:59 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Crack in canopy Also if you heat the opposite side with a hair dryer when applying the adhesive it will help it to wick into the crack. Z Drill a small hole at the end of the crack to stop it from spreading. Then get some methylene chloride (or a water-thin plexiglas adhesive) and apply it to the crack. The thin liquid should wick into the crack and fuse the edges together. Wipe up any excess liquid immediately or it will attack the surface of the plexiglas On Oct 7, 2008, at 10:50 AM, Jeff Barnes wrote: I have a small crack in my canopy on my 601xl under the side flashing. Any suggestions on how to prevent it from spreading such as adhesives and or drilling the end of the crack. Thanks. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 01:12:08 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Panel lettering From: "TxDave" Hi Wade, You might check with a local print service like Staples, or Kwik Copy and see if they can make your labels. I like Pavel's idea for the decal paper. You could make a ton of labels on a single sheet of paper using your computer and inkjet printer. Thanks for the info, Pavel. Dave Clay Temple, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 7806#207806 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 01:25:44 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Panel lettering From: "pavel569" It is not my idea, I'm not that smart, unfortunately. There is an article about a panel lettering in the last issue of Kitplanes Magazine. -------- Pavel CA Zodiac XL N581PM (Reserved) Tail, flaps, ailerons done, right wing on the table .... Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 7807#207807 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 01:25:44 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Carck In Canopy From: "Gig Giacona" jeffbarnes(at)knology.net wrote: > I am working on a 601XL and have a crack in the canopy around a screw hole under the side flashing. What is the best way to prevent the crack from spreading, i.e. drilling the end of the crack, adhesives, etc. Any info would be appreciated. > Stop drill it and then fill the hole with epoxy. -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 7808#207808 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 01:31:33 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Crack in canopy From: "Gig Giacona" Bryan, where can you get methylene chloride? All I can find on-line is either 50 gallons or 1/2 pint for ~$8.00 but they have a $30.00 minimum order. -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 7809#207809 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 01:36:10 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Cleaning of dried Zinc Cromate From: "Gig Giacona" I've got some spots that during the build process I used a little too much ZC and have some outside areas of the plane will need to be cleaned off at some point. Any suggestions for getting the stuff off after it has REALLY dried? -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 7811#207811 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 01:50:08 PM PST US From: Rick Lindstrom Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Cleaning of dried Zinc Cromate Acetone has always worked miracles for me, even on painted stuff I DIDN'T want to remove! Rick Lindstrom -----Original Message----- >From: Gig Giacona >Sent: Oct 7, 2008 1:33 PM >To: zenith-list@matronics.com >Subject: Zenith-List: Cleaning of dried Zinc Cromate > > >I've got some spots that during the build process I used a little too much ZC and have some outside areas of the plane will need to be cleaned off at some point. > >Any suggestions for getting the stuff off after it has REALLY dried? > >-------- >W.R. "Gig" Giacona >601XL Under Construction >See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 7811#207811 > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 02:33:33 PM PST US From: "Gary Ray" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Panel lettering Pavel I think this works for most colors except for white on clear. The P-touch brother label maker can make this combo but this tape is not offered in most stores. It can be found on the net. Gary Ray davgray@sbcglobal.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "pavel569" Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 3:10 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Panel lettering > > I like the idea of using a inkjet water slide decals. It is inexpensive > and you can do pretty much anything you want with your drawing software > and inkjet printer. Print it, then thin coat of lacquer, cut out of the > sheet and you're done. If you don't like the look, just spray water over > it and you can remove it without any trace. > > -------- > Pavel > CA > Zodiac XL N581PM (Reserved) > Tail, flaps, ailerons done, right wing on the table .... > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 7800#207800 > > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 03:05:38 PM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Panel lettering From: jaybannist@cs.com Wade, Tell me what size letters you want and the words you want.? I'll get them to you. Jay in Dallas -----Original Message----- From: wade jones Sent: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 1:48 pm Subject: Zenith-List: Panel lettering Hello group ,I have just come up with a bright (cheap for me ) idea .I am in the process of completing my instrument panel .I only need a few white on clear labels to identify a few things like flaps, trim ect. Instead of me buying a Brother P label maker for a one time use?is there someone on the site that has gone this way before me that may have the equipment to make me a few labels .If so I can sent a list of what I need . Thanks? Wade? Jones? South Texas 601XL Franklin 0-235 ________________________________________________________________________ Email message sent from CompuServe - visit us today at http://www.cs.com ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 03:17:02 PM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Crack in canopy From: jaybannist@cs.com I had a crack develop in my canopy bubble. the first two times I tried to stop drill it, the pressure just made the crack run on further.? In the third try, I finally stopped it.? My EAA tech rep said the way to do it is to stop drill the just BEYOND the end of the crack.? That way, you KNOW it won't run on. (20-20 hindsight).? Because of the location, I was able to replace my crack with a VistaVent. Jay in Dallas -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Barnes Sent: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 9:50 am Subject: Zenith-List: Crack in canopy I have a small crack in my canopy on my 601xl under the side flashing. Any suggestions on how to prevent it from spreading such as adhesives and or drilling the end of the crack. Thanks. ________________________________________________________________________ Email message sent from CompuServe - visit us today at http://www.cs.com ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 03:29:19 PM PST US From: "wade jones" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Panel lettering Thanks Jay ,I have maybe missed some of what I need but I think for now this will do .If you think of anything else please send .How are you recovering from your latest mishap .Have you started thinking in a more positive manner regarding your future flying ,I hope so .With your new plane waiting I would think you would be chomping at the bit to fly it . Thanks .My Address is: Wade Jones P.O. Box 1596 Brazoria Tx. 77422 Wade Jones South Texas 601XL Franklin 0-235 ----- Original Message ----- From: jaybannist@cs.com To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 5:04 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Panel lettering Wade, Tell me what size letters you want and the words you want. I'll get them to you. Jay in Dallas -----Original Message----- From: wade jones To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 1:48 pm Subject: Zenith-List: Panel lettering Hello group ,I have just come up with a bright (cheap for me ) idea .I am in the process of completing my instrument panel .I only need a few white on clear labels to identify a few things like flaps, trim ect. Instead of me buying a Brother P label maker for a one time use is there someone on the site that has gone this way before me that may have the equipment to make me a few labels .If so I can sent a list of what I need . Thanks Wade Jones South Texas 601XL Franklin 0-235 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Email message sent from CompuServe - visit us today at http://www.cs.com ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 03:42:48 PM PST US From: "wade jones" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Panel lettering Hello group ,thanks for all the good responses on the panel lettering .Looks like Jay is going to take care of me.What a group. Thanks again Wade Jones South Texas 601XL Franklin 0-235 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Ray" Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 4:31 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Panel lettering > > Pavel > > I think this works for most colors except for white on clear. The P-touch > brother label maker can make this combo but this tape is not offered in > most stores. It can be found on the net. > > Gary Ray > davgray@sbcglobal.net > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "pavel569" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 3:10 PM > Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Panel lettering > > >> >> I like the idea of using a inkjet water slide decals. It is inexpensive >> and you can do pretty much anything you want with your drawing software >> and inkjet printer. Print it, then thin coat of lacquer, cut out of the >> sheet and you're done. If you don't like the look, just spray water over >> it and you can remove it without any trace. >> >> -------- >> Pavel >> CA >> Zodiac XL N581PM (Reserved) >> Tail, flaps, ailerons done, right wing on the table .... >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 7800#207800 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 05:00:47 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Avmap EKP IV and XM weather From: "annken100" I know this is off topic for this list, but I'm trying to find people who are using the Avmap EKP IV GPS and XM weather. I recently added the just released XM weather option on my EKP IV GPS. The problem I'm having is that I only receive METARs and nothing else. I'm hoping someone on this list has the same GPS and weather combo as I do so I can ask some questions and compare notes. Please email me at annken100(at)aol.com I have spoken with tech support from XM, Avmap, and WxWorx and so far I'm told that I am one of only three people who has this problem. Oddly enough, the three of us activated our receivers around the same time. Thank you, Ken Pavlou -------- 601 XL / Corvair Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 7838#207838 ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 05:23:33 PM PST US From: "Dirk Zahtilla" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Crack in canopy Look up Tap plastics online. They sell it as plexiglass adhesive in small bottles and have applicators like a squeeze bottle with sirynge. Don't know if they have online sales but if not you can call one of their stores and they will mail stuff to you. I bought fiberglass supplies from them that way. Z ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gig Giacona" Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 1:29 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Crack in canopy > > Bryan, where can you get methylene chloride? > > All I can find on-line is either 50 gallons or 1/2 pint for ~$8.00 but > they have a $30.00 minimum order. > > -------- > W.R. "Gig" Giacona > 601XL Under Construction > See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 7809#207809 > > > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 05:23:53 PM PST US From: Bill Pagan Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Crack in canopy I agree with Jeff - just beyond the end of the crack 3/32 will normally do. Bill Pagan EAA Tech Counselor #4395 --- On Tue, 10/7/08, jaybannist@cs.com wrote: From: jaybannist@cs.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Crack in canopy I had a crack develop in my canopy bubble. the first two times I tried to stop drill it, the pressure just made the crack run on further.- In the t hird try, I finally stopped it.- My EAA tech rep said the way to do it is to stop drill the just BEYOND the end of the crack.- That way, you KNOW it won't run on. (20-20 hindsight).- Because of the location, I was able to replace my crack with a VistaVent. 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Any suggestions on how to prevent it from spreading such as adhes ives and or drilling the end of the crack. Thanks. Email message sent from CompuServe - visit us today at http://www.cs.com =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 07:34:25 PM PST US From: Bryan Martin Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Crack in canopy As I recall, Aircraft spruce carries a water-thin plexiglas adhesive. Most likely, the main ingredient of this is methylene chloride or something similar. On Oct 7, 2008, at 4:29 PM, Gig Giacona wrote: > > Bryan, where can you get methylene chloride? > > All I can find on-line is either 50 gallons or 1/2 pint for ~$8.00 > but they have a $30.00 minimum order. > -- Bryan Martin N61BM, CH 601 XL, RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive. do not archive. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message zenith-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Zenith-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/zenith-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/zenith-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.