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1. 01:53 AM - Canopy striker studs 601xl (Thruster87)
2. 02:41 AM - How big is the CH601HDS cockpit? (kevstewart)
3. 06:36 AM - Re: How big is the CH601HDS cockpit? (Tim Shankland)
4. 06:58 AM - Re: How big is the CH601HDS cockpit / First Flight N601XS (Craig Spainhower)
5. 07:13 AM - Re: How big is the CH601HDS cockpit? (Bryan Martin)
6. 07:41 AM - Re: First Flight N601XS (Bryan Martin)
7. 08:49 AM - Re: CZAW aircraft company is going bankrupt. (Bob_anderson)
8. 09:10 AM - Re: CZAW aircraft company is going bankrupt. Can Chip Erwin get (Bob_anderson)
9. 09:20 AM - Re: How big is the CH601HDS cockpit / First Flight N601XS (LarryMcFarland)
10. 09:55 AM - Re: CZAW aircraft company is going bankrupt. Can Chip Erwin get (pavel569)
11. 12:41 PM - Re: Re: CZAW aircraft company is going bankrupt. Can Chip Erwin get (Dave G.)
12. 12:46 PM - Re: How big is the CH601HDS cockpit / First Flight N601XS (DaveG601XL)
13. 01:12 PM - Re: How big is the CH601HDS cockpit / First Flight N601XS (Clive Richards)
14. 01:13 PM - Re: How big is the CH601HDS cockpit? (kevstewart)
15. 04:39 PM - ACS Primer Kit (leinad)
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| Subject: | Canopy striker studs 601xl |
Look out for canopy strikers studs which are 2-3mm short [should be 25mm top of
plate to center of stud] Looks like the welder measured from bottom of plates
instead of from the top.If they are short they may only lock on the first click
and thus not in the second click which is where they are supposed to be.Fixed
mine by adding a 2mm spacer under it and grinding 2mm from bottom of latch
assembly. Cheers
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| Subject: | How big is the CH601HDS cockpit? |
Hi All,
Having recently sold our PA38 we are looking for something newer and cheaper to
run.
The CH601HDS looks a likely contender but there are none local to me that I can
go and look at.
My question is: how much space is there in the cockpit? The reason I ask is that
I am 6'4" and 190lb. My height is mainly biased towards my legs rather than
my torso.
Do any of you guys have any experience of fitting someone my size into a 601? I
see that there is a very useful diagram for the 601XL on the Zenair web site.
http://www.zenithair.com/zodiac/images/6-dim.gif
There is also a quote from a pilot:
"Just a quick note to let u know that I am 6'4" and weigh over 250 and I fit into
the Super ZODIAC nicely. I encountered lots of headroom with the bubble canopy
and was very surprised with the room." - TW
His quote mentions the Super Zodiac, does he mean the HDS variant or is he referring
to the XL?
Some clarification/assistance would be much appreciated.
Many thanks,
Kevin (Plymouth, UK)
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| Subject: | Re: How big is the CH601HDS cockpit? |
Kevin,
I am flying a 601HD, I am 6'3" tall and about 190 lbs. The trick is to have the
rudder pedal placed as far away as possible. Also by varying the thickness of
the seat cushion you can add more room. I built mine with the maximum leg room,
rudders all the way forward and then made my seat cushions following instruction
I found on line. The first thing I found when I put it all together in the
plane was that my head (headset) tended to hit the canopy. I took about two
inches of padding out of the bottom of the pilots seat. That took care of that.
Later I felt that I needed more leg room and I removed a 1 inch peace of foam
from the seat back. There is still plenty of foam and I can easily fit in the
cockpit.
Tim Shankland
601HD N707TS
kevstewart wrote:
>
>Hi All,
>
>Having recently sold our PA38 we are looking for something newer and cheaper to
run.
>
>The CH601HDS looks a likely contender but there are none local to me that I can
go and look at.
>
>My question is: how much space is there in the cockpit? The reason I ask is that
I am 6'4" and 190lb. My height is mainly biased towards my legs rather than
my torso.
>
>Do any of you guys have any experience of fitting someone my size into a 601?
I see that there is a very useful diagram for the 601XL on the Zenair web site.
>
>http://www.zenithair.com/zodiac/images/6-dim.gif
>
>There is also a quote from a pilot:
>
>"Just a quick note to let u know that I am 6'4" and weigh over 250 and I fit into
the Super ZODIAC nicely. I encountered lots of headroom with the bubble canopy
and was very surprised with the room." - TW
>
>His quote mentions the Super Zodiac, does he mean the HDS variant or is he referring
to the XL?
>
>Some clarification/assistance would be much appreciated.
>
>Many thanks,
>
>Kevin (Plymouth, UK)
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 8021#208021
>
>
>Attachments:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com//files/6_dim_821.gif
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: How big is the CH601HDS cockpit / First Flight N601XS |
Kevin,
I am 6' 3" and got a ride in Larry McFarlan's 601HDS and I found it a
little tight for leg room (It is an excellent plane by the way, Larry is
very meticulous). I built the 601XL and moved the rudder peddles towards the
firewall as far as the plans allowed and am quite comfortable.
On another more exciting note, N601XS passed inspection last Sunday
10/4/08 and yesterday 10/8/08, with the Sun ready to sink below the horizon,
it changed from an expensive hobby to an airplane. The winds were calm and
climb out was uneventful, although the climb rate was less than expected.
The reason became apparent on downwind when I could only achieve 85 kts @ ~
1900 RPM. Since the 0-235 L2C makes full rated power of 118 HP @ 2800 RPM I
definitely need to re-pitch the prop. I have a 3-blade 66" Warp Drive
currently pitched @ 13 degrees, I would welcome input from anyone flying
with a similar setup. I will re-pitch to 12 degrees and try again. I have a
slightly heavy right wing with 12 gallons of fuel in both wings. After an
excellent landing, one which I could walk away from and able to use the
plane again, I tucked the plane in and smiled all the way home. The only
disconcerting thing I noticed, other than the prop pitch, is a tendancy for
the plane to want to continue to roll in the direction of a turn after ~ 15
degrees of bank. It is easily arrested with a light opposite input on the
aileron and I wondered if this is a normal trait of the XL. Well, only
39.75 hrs flight testing left, hoping for a mild fall.
Craig Spainhower
N601XS, 601xl Lyc 0-235 L2C, Started Feb 2003, finished Oct. 2008
On 10/9/08, kevstewart <kevin@kevstewart.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>
> kevin@kevstewart.freeserve.co.uk>
>
> Hi All,
>
> Having recently sold our PA38 we are looking for something newer and
> cheaper to run.
>
> The CH601HDS looks a likely contender but there are none local to me that I
> can go and look at.
>
> My question is: how much space is there in the cockpit? The reason I ask is
> that I am 6'4" and 190lb. My height is mainly biased towards my legs rather
> than my torso.
>
> Do any of you guys have any experience of fitting someone my size into a
> 601? I see that there is a very useful diagram for the 601XL on the Zenair
> web site.
>
> http://www.zenithair.com/zodiac/images/6-dim.gif
>
> There is also a quote from a pilot:
>
> "Just a quick note to let u know that I am 6'4" and weigh over 250 and I
> fit into the Super ZODIAC nicely. I encountered lots of headroom with the
> bubble canopy and was very surprised with the room." - TW
>
> His quote mentions the Super Zodiac, does he mean the HDS variant or is he
> referring to the XL?
>
> Some clarification/assistance would be much appreciated.
>
> Many thanks,
>
> Kevin (Plymouth, UK)
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: How big is the CH601HDS cockpit? |
Also the seat pan itself can be installed a bit lower than the plans
show. I think mine still has at least an inch between the seat and the
bottom of the fuselage.
>
> >
>
> Kevin,
> I am flying a 601HD, I am 6'3" tall and about 190 lbs. The trick is
> to have the rudder pedal placed as far away as possible. Also by
> varying the thickness of the seat cushion you can add more room. I
> built mine with the maximum leg room, rudders all the way forward
> and then made my seat cushions following instruction I found on line.
>
>> >
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> My question is: how much space is there in the cockpit? The reason
>> I ask is that I am 6'4" and 190lb. My height is mainly biased
>> towards my legs rather than my torso.
>>
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL,
RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.
do not archive.
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight N601XS |
My XL has minimal roll stability. I believe it's due to the friction
in the aileron cables as they pass over the fairleads. The ailerons
tend to stay deflected slightly in the direction they were last moved.
One of these days I will look into it to see if I can improve this,
but it's not a high priority. It does increase the workload some on
long cross country flights, but it's manageable.
On Oct 9, 2008, at 9:57 AM, Craig Spainhower wrote:
> The only disconcerting thing I noticed, other than the prop pitch,
> is a tendancy for the plane to want to continue to roll in the
> direction of a turn after ~ 15 degrees of bank. It is easily
> arrested with a light opposite input on the aileron and I wondered
> if this is a normal trait of the XL. Well, only 39.75 hrs flight
> testing left, hoping for a mild fall.
>
> Craig Spainhower
> N601XS, 601xl Lyc 0-235 L2C, Started Feb 2003, finished Oct. 2008
>
>
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL,
RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.
do not archive.
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| Subject: | Re: CZAW aircraft company is going bankrupt. |
Finance department confirmed that from Sept 4 CZAW is published on insolvent registry
of the Czech Court official web site
Final decision about the destiny of the company should be done in December by the
Court.
I have been warning people about this, so I do hope that Chip Erwin has not taken
more money from others. I am writing about this because the USA aviation press
is not. So don't take it out on me.
Link:
www.justice.cz - type in "Czech Aircraft Works"
or
https://isir.justice.cz/isir/ueu/vysledek_lustrace.do?nazev_osoby=Czech+Aircraft+Works&jmeno_osoby=&ic=&datum_narozeni=&rc=&mesto=&cislo_senatu=&bc_vec=&rocnik=&id_osoby_puvodce=&druh_stav_konkursu=&datum_stav_od=&datum_stav_do=&aktualnost=AKTUALNI_I_UKONCENA&druh_kod_udalost=&datum_akce_od=&datum_akce_do=&nazev_osoby_f=&nazev_osoby_spravce=&rowsAtOnce=50
a copy in czech language:
Pjmen/nzev: Czech Aircraft Works
daje platn ke dni: 09.10.2008 - 15.46
POET NALEZENCH DLUNK 1
1 / 1
Detail Obchodn rejstk
Spisov znaka: KSBR 27 INS 1207 / 2008 veden u Krajskho soudu v Brn
(reference of the case at Regional Court in Brno )
Jmno/nzev: CZECH AIRCRAFT WORKS spol. s r.o.
I: 25110969
Rodn slo / Datum nar.: /
Sdlo: Kunovice, Na Zhonech 212, PS 686 04
Stav zen: V padku (bankrupt)
V padku od: 04.09.200
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| Subject: | Re: CZAW aircraft company is going bankrupt. Can Chip Erwin |
get
Finance department confirmed that from Sept 4 CZAW is published on insolvent registry
of the Czech Court official web site
Final decision about the destiny of the company should be done in December by the
Court.
I have been warning people about this, so I do hope that Chip Erwin has not taken
more money from others. I am writing about this because the USA aviation press
is not. So don't take it out on me.
Link:
www.justice.cz - type in "Czech Aircraft Works"
or
https://isir.justice.cz/isir/ueu/vysledek_lustrace.do?nazev_osoby=Czech+Aircraft+Works&jmeno_osoby=&ic=&datum_narozeni=&rc=&mesto=&cislo_senatu=&bc_vec=&rocnik=&id_osoby_puvodce=&druh_stav_konkursu=&datum_stav_od=&datum_stav_do=&aktualnost=AKTUALNI_I_UKONCENA&druh_kod_udalost=&datum_akce_od=&datum_akce_do=&nazev_osoby_f=&nazev_osoby_spravce=&rowsAtOnce=50
a copy in czech language:
Pjmen/nzev: Czech Aircraft Works
daje platn ke dni: 09.10.2008 - 15.46
POET NALEZENCH DLUNK 1
1 / 1
Detail Obchodn rejstk
Spisov znaka: KSBR 27 INS 1207 / 2008 veden u Krajskho soudu v Brn
(reference of the case at Regional Court in Brno )
Jmno/nzev: CZECH AIRCRAFT WORKS spol. s r.o.
I: 25110969
Rodn slo / Datum nar.: /
Sdlo: Kunovice, Na Zhonech 212, PS 686 04
Stav zen: V padku (bankrupt)
V padku od: 04.09.200
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| Subject: | Re: How big is the CH601HDS cockpit / First Flight N601XS |
Congratulations Craig!
You're right, the HDS was a little tight, but my seat back could get
another 2 inches if it were only an inch thick. Fits me as I'm short in
the legs, long in the waist.
On prop pitch, examine your numbers carefully as I'd have considered
going longer in pitch would take you to 14 or 15 degrees. There was an
airplane built a few years ago that crashed with the most likely
symptoms of being pitched too short. Could take off, but not stay in the
air. Very pleased to see your aircraft complete.
Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
Craig Spainhower wrote:
> Kevin,
> I am 6' 3" and got a ride in Larry McFarlan's 601HDS and I found
> it a little tight for leg room (It is an excellent plane by the way,
> Larry is very meticulous). I built the 601XL and moved the rudder
> peddles towards the firewall as far as the plans allowed and am quite
> comfortable.
> On another more exciting note, N601XS passed inspection last
> Sunday 10/4/08 and yesterday 10/8/08, with the Sun ready to sink below
> the horizon, it changed from an expensive hobby to an airplane. The
> winds were calm and climb out was uneventful, although the climb rate
> was less than expected. The reason became apparent on downwind when I
> could only achieve 85 kts @ ~ 1900 RPM. Since the 0-235 L2C makes full
> rated power of 118 HP @ 2800 RPM I definitely need to re-pitch the
> prop. I have a 3-blade 66" Warp Drive currently pitched @ 13 degrees,
> I would welcome input from anyone flying with a similar setup. I will
> re-pitch to 12 degrees and try again. I have a slightly heavy right
> wing with 12 gallons of fuel in both wings. After an excellent
> landing, one which I could walk away from and able to use the plane
> again, I tucked the plane in and smiled all the way home. The only
> disconcerting thing I noticed, other than the prop pitch, is a
> tendancy for the plane to want to continue to roll in the direction of
> a turn after ~ 15 degrees of bank. It is easily arrested with a light
> opposite input on the aileron and I wondered if this is a normal trait
> of the XL. Well, only 39.75 hrs flight testing left, hoping for a
> mild fall.
>
> Craig Spainhower
> N601XS, 601xl Lyc 0-235 L2C, Started Feb 2003, finished Oct. 2008
>
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| Subject: | Re: CZAW aircraft company is going bankrupt. Can Chip Erwin |
get
Don't get me wrong, it's just my opinion, but I don't have any trust in any company
that is fully or partially registered in countries as Belize. However it
can be legal, there is always something stinky about it.
--------
Pavel
CA
Zodiac XL N581PM (Reserved)
Tail, flaps, ailerons done, right wing on the table ....
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| Subject: | Re: CZAW aircraft company is going bankrupt. Can Chip |
Erwin get
How very odd. There are those of us who are looking at almost any company
registered in the USA as being pretty dodgy right now.
Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "pavel569" <pm569@HOTMAIL.COM>
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 1:53 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: CZAW aircraft company is going bankrupt. Can Chip
Erwin get
>
> Don't get me wrong, it's just my opinion, but I don't have any trust in
> any company that is fully or partially registered in countries as Belize.
> However it can be legal, there is always something stinky about it.
>
> --------
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| Subject: | Re: How big is the CH601HDS cockpit / First Flight N601XS |
Way to go Craig! You will find your flight testing period to be a very exciting,
yet sometimes frustrating, but mostly a fun, experience. You are just behind
me. I have 3.8 hours to go before I reach my 40.
Good luck and be safe,
--------
David Gallagher
601 XL, first flight 7/24/08.
In Phase I flight test.
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| Subject: | Re: How big is the CH601HDS cockpit / First Flight N601XS |
Congratulations Craig
We have tried a 66 inch 3 Blade on
Rays 601 HD 100 HP Cont 0200 set 13 degrees gives 2300 rpm max with chocks
on ground I think you should aim for around 2300 depending on air
temperature and gives about 2700 max straight & level. Caution we have had
the aluminium ferrule on the blades crack Warp have replaced the blades but
say we should Idle at a minimum of 1000 rpm to prevent this happening again,
we think this will give to long a landing run so have not tried this & are
staying with our wooded prop for present. We think Warp may have a problem
with direct drives.
Clive Richards
do not archive 260 Hrs app 40 on warp.
----- Original Message -----
From: "LarryMcFarland" <larry@macsmachine.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 5:19 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: How big is the CH601HDS cockpit / First Flight
N601XS
>
> Congratulations Craig!
> You're right, the HDS was a little tight, but my seat back could get
> another 2 inches if it were only an inch thick. Fits me as I'm short in
> the legs, long in the waist.
> On prop pitch, examine your numbers carefully as I'd have considered going
> longer in pitch would take you to 14 or 15 degrees. There was an airplane
> built a few years ago that crashed with the most likely symptoms of being
> pitched too short. Could take off, but not stay in the air. Very pleased
> to see your aircraft complete.
>
> Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
>
> Craig Spainhower wrote:
>> Kevin,
>> I am 6' 3" and got a ride in Larry McFarlan's 601HDS and I found it a
>> little tight for leg room (It is an excellent plane by the way, Larry is
>> very meticulous). I built the 601XL and moved the rudder peddles towards
>> the firewall as far as the plans allowed and am quite comfortable.
>> On another more exciting note, N601XS passed inspection last Sunday
>> 10/4/08 and yesterday 10/8/08, with the Sun ready to sink below the
>> horizon, it changed from an expensive hobby to an airplane. The winds
>> were calm and climb out was uneventful, although the climb rate was less
>> than expected. The reason became apparent on downwind when I could only
>> achieve 85 kts @ ~ 1900 RPM. Since the 0-235 L2C makes full rated power
>> of 118 HP @ 2800 RPM I definitely need to re-pitch the prop. I have a
>> 3-blade 66" Warp Drive currently pitched @ 13 degrees, I would welcome
>> input from anyone flying with a similar setup. I will re-pitch to 12
>> degrees and try again. I have a slightly heavy right wing with 12 gallons
>> of fuel in both wings. After an excellent landing, one which I could walk
>> away from and able to use the plane again, I tucked the plane in and
>> smiled all the way home. The only disconcerting thing I noticed, other
>> than the prop pitch, is a tendancy for the plane to want to continue to
>> roll in the direction of a turn after ~ 15 degrees of bank. It is easily
>> arrested with a light opposite input on the aileron and I wondered if
>> this is a normal trait of the XL. Well, only 39.75 hrs flight testing
>> left, hoping for a mild fall.
>> Craig Spainhower
>> N601XS, 601xl Lyc 0-235 L2C, Started Feb 2003, finished Oct. 2008
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: How big is the CH601HDS cockpit? |
Thanks guys. I am hoping to take a look at a 601HDS that is for sale in the UK.
Weather permitting I might be able to see it next week.
How easy is it to adjust the rudder pedal position?
Cheers,
Kevin
--------
Recreational pilot flying out of
EGHD Plymouth, UK.
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Has anyone else purchased the primer kit from ACS. It came with no instructions.
I'm not sure which is inlet and which is outlet. Also normally do you take
the fuel before the pump or after?
Dan
--------
Scratch building XL with Corvair Engine
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