---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 10/26/08: 12 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:35 AM - =?ISO-8859-1?Q?A=E9roclub_de_Montaigu? (Iberplanes IGL) 2. 06:03 AM - Chat Room Reminder For "Digesters" (George Race) 3. 07:44 AM - Wiring (Ken) 4. 08:03 AM - Re: Wiring (jaybannist@cs.com) 5. 08:11 AM - Re: Wiring (Bryan Martin) 6. 09:40 AM - Re: Wiring (Craig Payne) 7. 02:41 PM - Re: 701/Corvair Info Request (Brady) 8. 03:06 PM - Re: Wiring (Geoff Heap) 9. 04:50 PM - Re: Winter Hanger "Warm Box" (DaveG601XL) 10. 05:10 PM - Re: Winter Hanger "Warm Box" (kmccune) 11. 05:12 PM - Airspeed Indicator Static Port (Dan Wilde) 12. 08:10 PM - Re: 701/Corvair Info Request (jetboy) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:35:04 AM PST US From: "Iberplanes IGL" Subject: Zenith-List: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?A=E9roclub_de_Montaigu? *Hello Friends, I=B4m looking for someone near or currently flying at this French Aerodrome . I need to stablish an email contact off-line. many thanks in advance. A=E9ro-Clubs**A=E9roclub de Montaigu* Adresse : A=E9rodrome Montaigu Les landes de Corprais 85600 SAINT-GEORGES DE MONTAIGU http://www.flygoto.com/OACI/Aerodrome/GPS/Gpx/LFFW/ Alberto Martin www.iberplanes.es Igualada - Barcelona - Spain ---------------------------------------------- Zodiac 601 XL Builder Serial: 6-7011 Tail Kit: Finished Wings: Not Started Fuselage: Ordered Engine: Jabiru 3300 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:03:04 AM PST US From: "George Race" Subject: Zenith-List: Chat Room Reminder For "Digesters" Please join us for our Monday evening chat room starting around 8:00 PM Eastern Time. http://www.mykitairplane.com/chat/ George Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:44:02 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Wiring From: "Ken" I am an electronics hobbyist; therefore, I am not intimidated by the idea of wiring my XL. I still purchased the Homebuilt Help CD on wiring just to learn any peculiar aspects of aircraft wiring. On the CD they suggest a master breaker for the bus bar in addition to all the breakers that branch off of it. Its not a bad plan, but my concern is that if the breaker fails or trips, you loose everything over a single issue. I'm curious as how the rest of you dealt with this issue. Ken Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=210341#210341 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:03:36 AM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Wiring From: jaybannist@cs.com Ken, I see a master breaker as "double jeopardy." I don't see the need for one and I don't have one in my system. Most of my system goes through the battery contactor, but the endurance bus is wired (through a switch) directly to the battery.? Jay in Dallas -----Original Message----- From: Ken Sent: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 9:43 am Subject: Zenith-List: Wiring I am an electronics hobbyist; therefore, I am not intimidated by the idea of wiring my XL. I still purchased the Homebuilt Help CD on wiring just to learn any peculiar aspects of aircraft wiring. On the CD they suggest a master breaker for the bus bar in addition to all the breakers that branch off of it. Its not a bad plan, but my concern is that if the breaker fails or trips, you loose everything over a single issue. I'm curious as how the rest of you dealt with this issue. Ken ________________________________________________________________________ Email message sent from CompuServe - visit us today at http://www.cs.com ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:11:35 AM PST US From: Bryan Martin Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Wiring I have my battery connected to my main fuse panel through the master relay. I don't have a main breaker or fuse in that line, the master relay is the only circuit protection for the battery cable. The battery cables are secured and protected to prevent any chafing that might cause a short. A short in the main battery cable will get your attention very quickly, allowing you to interrupt the current with the master switch. I don't see the need for a circuit breaker in addition to the master relay. I do have a main fuse in the alternator cable since it doesn't feed through the master relay. I have used aircraft wiring throughout the cabin, in the case of a short circuit, the insulation on this wire will not support combustion and will not give off toxic fumes. On Oct 26, 2008, at 10:43 AM, Ken wrote: > > I am an electronics hobbyist; therefore, I am not intimidated by the > idea of wiring my XL. I still purchased the Homebuilt Help CD on > wiring just to learn any peculiar aspects of aircraft wiring. On > the CD they suggest a master breaker for the bus bar in addition to > all the breakers that branch off of it. Its not a bad plan, but my > concern is that if the breaker fails or trips, you loose everything > over a single issue. I'm curious as how the rest of you dealt with > this issue. > -- Bryan Martin N61BM, CH 601 XL, RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:40:21 AM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Wiring Have you looked at Bob Nuckolls' AeroElectric book? He is acknowledged as an expert in this area and participates in an active forum of the same name on Matronics. http://www.aeroelectric.com/ The book is actually three-hole punched sheets. The appendix contains schematics and the design rational for about 20 different situations. As to your specific question Bob would probably recommend a fusible link for your ultimate protection. But for safety your plane should be designed to be flyable even if your battery/alternator were dead. I don't know what engine you are looking at but with a traditional magneto your engine will run with no battery power. For the auto conversions some go as far as to have two batteries. For instruments traditional gauges of course don't need power (day VFR). If you chose a glass panel most of the manufactures have a provision for a back-up battery. -- Craig -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ken Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 8:43 AM Subject: Zenith-List: Wiring I am an electronics hobbyist; therefore, I am not intimidated by the idea of wiring my XL. I still purchased the Homebuilt Help CD on wiring just to learn any peculiar aspects of aircraft wiring. On the CD they suggest a master breaker for the bus bar in addition to all the breakers that branch off of it. Its not a bad plan, but my concern is that if the breaker fails or trips, you loose everything over a single issue. I'm curious as how the rest of you dealt with this issue. Ken Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=210341#210341 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 02:41:31 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 701/Corvair Info Request From: "Brady" Actually Gig, Sandy's Plane was the second corvair powered 701 to Fly. There was a gentlemen in New Zealand (John Lowther) who was the first. This plane is on the Zenith site under custom engine instalations. And I believe there was a third in Australia.(I could be wrong?) There are 5 701/ Corvairs that I know of in WA that are well on their way. I (Poulsbo, WA) am starting my Fuselage, wings and rudder and FWF done, running engine. David Orre (Port Angeles) is starting his Wings, Fuselage and rudder done. (we could actually combine our projects and Fly one) :) There are the two Bill Scribbs (JR & SR) down in Vancouver WA who are both building one each. There is Chris from Seattle who has modified a 701 out to what the 750 is now (sorry Chris I forgot your last name). Those are just the ones I could remember off the top of my head in this state. I think there are a few more certainly if you include the 750s that are springing in to action every minuet. Mike O'Neil Is a friend of mine who is presently building a 601/Corvair combo who is planning to build a 750/Corvair as well. We will have squadrons all over the World! MOO HA HA HA :) -------- Brady McCormick Poulsbo, WA www.magnificentmachine.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=210396#210396 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 03:06:36 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Wiring From: "Geoff Heap" The thing thats confounded me for months is what kind of switch I need for a Master and what size fuse to go with it. Today I asked myself. Why do I even need it? I only have basic knowledge of how to make circuits work. Beyond that I have to seek help. So this thread has been illuminating for me. Ken points out that adding a fuse here is basically worthless and if faulty will lose you everything. I can now proceed. Thanks Guys.Geoff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=210400#210400 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 04:50:09 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Winter Hanger "Warm Box" From: "DaveG601XL" Thanks for the ideas. The smallest bulb I had in the house was a 40 watt so that is what I powered my box with for now. I will check out the thermo cube at TSC later this week. Should get chilly here this week. -------- David Gallagher 601 XL/Jabiru 3300 First flight 7/24/08 Phase I flight test complete 10/16/08 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=210410#210410 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 05:10:27 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Winter Hanger "Warm Box" From: "kmccune" When growing up on the farm in NW Wisconsin, we had a pump house. There was a wind mill above that was disconnected from the well. And the electric pump was above ground, with the "house" not being insulated. My Dad made foam insulated box(the old white bead board type) that was about 18x24x24 inches. Dad had a 75 watt bulb in there and the bottom was the uninsulated cement. It never froze... well unless the bulb burned out, but Dad changed it every month to try to prevent this. Hope it helps. Kevin -------- Mark Twain: Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=210413#210413 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 05:12:54 PM PST US From: Dan Wilde Subject: Zenith-List: Airspeed Indicator Static Port List: There has been talk lately about where to put the static port for the airspeed. I have been flying without a static port on my 701 and my airspeed is within 2 mph of the GPS. I recently installed 3 1/4" pop vents in my side window. Today when I popped opened the vent, I did see a small 1 mph change in the airspeed indication. This is close enough for me so I won't be worrying about installing a static port. Of course I only have the basic steam gauge package from Zenith and no VSI. FWIW Dan Wilde N948DW PS - My wife helped rivet the plane and now she is enjoying riding in it too. So far though, she has not wanted to take the controls. ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:10:38 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 701/Corvair Info Request From: "jetboy" The 701 in New Zealand got fitted with its third engine, a Jabiru 2200. John told me the Corvair climbed at well over 1000'/min but in the 701 could really only be flown solo or for short distances due to weight and fuel limitations. I think he's keen on doing Corvairs for the bigger airframes, 601XL etc, just it wasnt ideal in the 701. Ralph in NZ -------- Ralph - CH701 / 2200a Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=210439#210439 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message zenith-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Zenith-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/zenith-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/zenith-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.