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1. 04:01 AM - Re: Fuel Systems (DaveG601XL)
2. 04:52 AM - Re: Re: Fuel Systems (wade jones)
3. 09:49 AM - Re: Fuel Systems (japhillipsga@aol.com)
4. 01:26 PM - Re: New Garmin 696 announced... (Gig Giacona)
5. 01:28 PM - Re: Fuel Systems (Gig Giacona)
6. 02:47 PM - Re: Fuel Systems (wade jones)
7. 02:48 PM - Re: Re: New Garmin 696 announced... (Paul Mulwitz)
8. 03:00 PM - Re: Fuel Systems (jaybannist@cs.com)
9. 03:46 PM - Re: Fuel Systems (steve)
10. 04:10 PM - Re: Fuel Systems (Paul Mulwitz)
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Systems |
Wade,
I tried to e-mail you some pictures but it got bounced back telling me that the
address in your post was invalid. Give me a good e-mail address and I can send
you a few pictures.
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David Gallagher
601 XL/Jabiru 3300
First flight 7/24/08
Phase I flight test complete 10/16/08
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Systems |
Thanks David ,I need some pictures .wjones@brazoriainet.com
Wade Jones South Texas
601XL Franklin 0-235
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From: "DaveG601XL" <david.m.gallagher@ge.com>
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 6:00 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Fuel Systems
>
> Wade,
>
> I tried to e-mail you some pictures but it got bounced back telling me
> that the address in your post was invalid. Give me a good e-mail address
> and I can send you a few pictures.
>
> --------
> David Gallagher
> 601 XL/Jabiru 3300
> First flight 7/24/08
> Phase I flight test complete 10/16/08
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=211334#211334
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Systems |
Wade, I gave you the wrong site: it's CH601.org.? I just brought it up and a bunch
of my fuel system photos are there. I used metal lines and a fuel valve to
remote the control. With dual sticks the standard ZAC fuel valves were unusable.
Best regards, Bill of Georgia
-----Original Message-----
From: wade jones <wjones@brazoriainet.com>
Sent: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 12:29 pm
Subject: Zenith-List: Fuel Systems
Hello group ,I am nearing completion of my instrument panel and wiring .My next
phase will be piping the fuel system ,I would like to impose on the group one
more time for help on this . Could some on the list perhaps send me some photos
and advise as to how they did their 601XL fuel system .????????? Thanks????????????????????????????????????????????
Wade? Jones? South Texas
601XL Franklin 0-235
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| Subject: | Re: New Garmin 696 announced... |
I will probably end up with the 496 as well but playing with my panel mock-up I
think the way things would have to go is the 696 in the center of the panel where
a radio stack would normally be and the Comm and Xponder side by side under
the Dynon.
One thing I like about the 696 is that you can have the faux-HSI up at the same
time as the map. Since I'm using a single Dynon 180 I'd like to be able to keep
the engine instruments all the time and not have to have them only pop-up on
alert when I have the Dynon's HSI up.
The Blue Mountain is nice but I really like the idea of the Garmin for a GPS. Does
the BM have XM-WX?
psm(at)att.net wrote:
> Hi Gig,
>
> I just did a little specification comparison and decided I will go
> with the 496.
>
> First the 696 is too big for my panel the way it is currently laid
> out. I can barely fit the 496 in the same stack with my NAV/COMM and
> key switch now. Perhaps if I had really wanted a huge GPS display
> instead of two large Dynon displays this would be different.
>
> I also was put off by the backup battery choice. The 496 uses a
> Lithium ion battery with a 15 hour use specified while the 696 uses
> Nickel good for only a couple of hours.
>
> If I live long enough to do all this over again, I think I would opt
> for a Blue Mountain combined GPS/EFIS/EMS approach.
>
>
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W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Systems |
japhillipsga(at)aol.com wrote:
> Wade, I gave you the wrong site: it's CH601.org. I just brought it up and a
bunch of my fuel system photos are there. I used metal lines and a fuel valve
to remote the control. With dual sticks the standard ZAC fuel valves were unusable.
Best regards, Bill of Georgia
>
>
> --
I wouldn't say unusable. Though I did have to replace one of the inputs (right
I think) with banjo connector.
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W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Systems |
Hello group ,thanks for all the good information I received on the fuel
systems .I have a problem believing the fuel will run uphill from the
tank outlets to the fuel valve located on the console .I should not
dispute the plans as they have been good so far .Is this an illusion or
will the fuel flow from the lower level to the higher level .I know I
saw a post awhile back where the builder did not want the fuel to be
pressurized inside the plane .I like the idea of the fuel pumps being
located at the tank outlets as suggested by Charles ,any comments on
this . Thanks
Wade Jones South Texas
601XL Franklin 0-235
----- Original Message -----
From: japhillipsga@aol.com
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 11:48 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Fuel Systems
Wade, I gave you the wrong site: it's CH601.org. I just brought it up
and a bunch of my fuel system photos are there. I used metal lines and a
fuel valve to remote the control. With dual sticks the standard ZAC fuel
valves were unusable. Best regards, Bill of Georgia
-----Original Message-----
From: wade jones <wjones@brazoriainet.com>
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 12:29 pm
Subject: Zenith-List: Fuel Systems
Hello group ,I am nearing completion of my instrument panel and wiring
.My next phase will be piping the fuel system ,I would like to impose on
the group one more time for help on this . Could some on the list
perhaps send me some photos and advise as to how they did their 601XL
fuel system . Thanks
Wade Jones South Texas
601XL Franklin 0-235
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| Subject: | Re: New Garmin 696 announced... |
Hi Gig,
I'm not sure about the Blue Mountain and XM weather. When I was
looking at their stuff I thought I didn't want the weather
anyway. After discussion at my latest EAA chapter meeting, I am
convinced I really do want the weather. I reviewed a life time of
flying problems and discovered each one was weather related.
My current plan (already partly installed) is to use dual Dynon large
displays with Garmin 496 and SL-30 in the middle. The standard
display configuration might be EFIS plus real HSI on the left Dynon
screen, map and terrain (and weather?) on the GPS, and engine with
optional EFIS on the right side for my wife and copilot.
I forgot to mention, the real show stopper for the Blue Mountain
solution was the large display size. I could fit one of them in my
panel but not two. With a panel the size of a Zodiac, the Blue
Mountain wants to be the only large display.
Best regards,
Paul
XL getting close?
At 01:23 PM 10/31/2008, you wrote:
>I will probably end up with the 496 as well but playing with my
>panel mock-up I think the way things would have to go is the 696 in
>the center of the panel where a radio stack would normally be and
>the Comm and Xponder side by side under the Dynon.
>
>One thing I like about the 696 is that you can have the faux-HSI up
>at the same time as the map. Since I'm using a single Dynon 180 I'd
>like to be able to keep the engine instruments all the time and not
>have to have them only pop-up on alert when I have the Dynon's HSI up.
>
>The Blue Mountain is nice but I really like the idea of the Garmin
>for a GPS. Does the BM have XM-WX?
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Systems |
Wade,
I just did not want fuel in the cabin under pressure.? Thus, the dual fuel pumps
on the engine side of the firewall.? Since this is not a gravity system, the
fuel doesn't have to "run" up hill to the fuel selector. It is "pulled" there
by the suction from the pump.? I have had no problem with fuel flow using this
system.
Jay in Dallas
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: wade jones <wjones@brazoriainet.com>
Sent: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 4:45 pm
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Fuel Systems
Hello group ,thanks for all the good information I
received on the fuel systems .I have a problem believing the fuel will run
uphill from the tank outlets to the fuel valve located on the console .I should
not dispute the plans as they have been good so far .Is this an illusion or will
the fuel flow from the lower level to the higher level .I know I saw a post
awhile back where the builder did not want the fuel to be pressurized inside the
plane .I like the idea of the fuel pumps being located at the tank outlets as
suggested by Charles ,any comments on this .? Thanks
Wade? Jones? South Texas
601XL Franklin 0-235
----- Original Message -----
From:
japhillipsga@aol.com
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 11:48
AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Fuel
Systems
Wade, I gave you the wrong site: it's CH601.org.? I
just brought it up and a bunch of my fuel system photos are there. I used
metal lines and a fuel valve to remote the control. With dual sticks the
standard ZAC fuel valves were unusable. Best regards, Bill of
Georgia
-----Original Message-----
From: wade jones <wjones@brazoriainet.com>
zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 12:29 pm
Subject:
Zenith-List: Fuel Systems
Hello group ,I am nearing completion of my
instrument panel and wiring .My next phase will be piping the fuel system ,I
would like to impose on the group one more time for help on this . Could some
on the list perhaps send me some photos and advise as to how they did their
601XL fuel system .?????????
Thanks????????????????????????????????????????????
Wade? Jones? South Texas
601XL
Franklin 0-235
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Systems |
I dont recall ever seeing a low wing (Piper) with fuel under pressure.
Just an engine driven pump (suck) with a boost pump (electric) suck..
Geeze, now I m thinking of high school.....
Steve W.
----- Original Message -----
From: jaybannist@cs.com
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 2:57 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Fuel Systems
Wade,
I just did not want fuel in the cabin under pressure. Thus, the dual
fuel pumps on the engine side of the firewall. Since this is not a
gravity system, the fuel doesn't have to "run" up hill to the fuel
selector. It is "pulled" there by the suction from the pump. I have had
no problem with fuel flow using this system.
Jay in Dallas
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: wade jones <wjones@brazoriainet.com>
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 4:45 pm
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Fuel Systems
Hello group ,thanks for all the good information I received on the
fuel systems .I have a problem believing the fuel will run uphill from
the tank outlets to the fuel valve located on the console .I should not
dispute the plans as they have been good so far .Is this an illusion or
will the fuel flow from the lower level to the higher level .I know I
saw a post awhile back where the builder did not want the fuel to be
pressurized inside the plane .I like the idea of the fuel pumps being
located at the tank outlets as suggested by Charles ,any comments on
this . Thanks
Wade Jones South Texas
601XL Franklin 0-235
----- Original Message -----
From: japhillipsga@aol.com
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 11:48 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Fuel Systems
Wade, I gave you the wrong site: it's CH601.org. I just brought it
up and a bunch of my fuel system photos are there. I used metal lines
and a fuel valve to remote the control. With dual sticks the standard
ZAC fuel valves were unusable. Best regards, Bill of Georgia
-----Original Message-----
From: wade jones <wjones@brazoriainet.com>
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 12:29 pm
Subject: Zenith-List: Fuel Systems
Hello group ,I am nearing completion of my instrument panel and
wiring .My next phase will be piping the fuel system ,I would like to
impose on the group one more time for help on this . Could some on the
list perhaps send me some photos and advise as to how they did their
601XL fuel system . Thanks
Wade Jones South Texas
601XL Franklin 0-235
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Systems |
Hi Wade,
I too was a little worried about the fuel going up hill, so I did a
little test.
I hooked up a couple of feet of fuel line and powered an electric
fuel pump (Facet). The fuel was in a container a couple of feet
below the pump, and it had no problem priming itself and pumping away..
I don't have any pressure in the fuel line that goes through the
cabin. The electric and engine pumps are both in the engine
compartment. That means a break in the fuel line integrity will
result in air going to the engine instead of fuel but no big puddle
of fuel in the cabin.
I intend to operate primarily with avgas rather than auto fuel, so I
am not concerned with vapor lock in the fuel line. Even if there is
some vapor, the test shows I can still pump fuel to the engine. With
the wing tanks mostly above the cabin floor the only high points in
the whole fuel system are the loop going to the tank selector and the
engine itself. I would guess the total height in the worst variation
of fuel tank level is only a few inches from inlet to final destination.
Best regards,
Paul
XL getting close
At 02:45 PM 10/31/2008, you wrote:
>Hello group ,thanks for all the good information I received on the
>fuel systems .I have a problem believing the fuel will run uphill
>from the tank outlets to the fuel valve located on the console .I
>should not dispute the plans as they have been good so far .Is this
>an illusion or will the fuel flow from the lower level to the higher
>level .I know I saw a post awhile back where the builder did not
>want the fuel to be pressurized inside the plane .I like the idea of
>the fuel pumps being located at the tank outlets as suggested by
>Charles ,any comments on this . Thanks
>Wade Jones South Texas
>601XL Franklin 0-235
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