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1. 12:23 AM - Matronics Email List Fund Raiser During November! (dralle@matronics.com)
2. 05:23 AM - Re: Re: Fuel Systems (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com)
3. 06:06 AM - Re: Fuel Systems (Edward Moody II)
4. 06:56 AM - D100 compass (Bill Naumuk)
5. 01:03 PM - Speaking of fuel systems... (Bill Naumuk)
6. 01:25 PM - Re: D100 compass (george may)
7. 01:25 PM - Re: Speaking of fuel systems... (Bryan Martin)
8. 02:16 PM - Re: Speaking of fuel systems... (jonaburns)
9. 02:33 PM - Re: D100 compass (Tim Shankland)
10. 04:10 PM - XL grounded in Spain (Iberplanes IGL)
11. 04:33 PM - Re: D100 compass (Bill Naumuk)
12. 04:36 PM - Re: Re: Speaking of fuel systems... (Bill Naumuk)
13. 04:38 PM - Re: D100 compass (Bill Naumuk)
14. 04:54 PM - Re: Re: Speaking of fuel systems... (George Swinford)
15. 05:12 PM - MS number for the Zenith Sprl Cap O-Ring (Sabrina)
16. 05:22 PM - Re: D100 compass (Ken Arnold)
17. 05:26 PM - Re: Re: Speaking of fuel systems... (Bill Naumuk)
18. 05:57 PM - Re: D100 compass (Bill Naumuk)
19. 06:01 PM - Re: Re: Speaking of fuel systems... (Bryan Martin)
20. 06:22 PM - Re: XL grounded in Spain (Southern Reflections)
21. 08:02 PM - Re: Re: Speaking of fuel systems... (George Swinford)
22. 08:31 PM - Re: Speaking of fuel systems... ()
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| Subject: | Matronics Email List Fund Raiser During November! |
Dear Listers,
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Systems |
Gig, Let me re phrase "unusable." For a short armed fat man near 60 in a semi
prone position flying a plane with very sensitive and responsive elevator
control bending over to touch a control brass valve at the passengers heels,
sight unseen, is not only unsafe, but unnecessary and "untenable" especially with
the dual stick cross bar and linking rods in the way. Built yours anyway you
want, but never forget John Denver. Best of luck, Bill of Georgia
P.S. I flew my XL last night in the cold night air and it was great!
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Systems |
They aren't the best photos in the world but this is how I installed the
Facet pumps in the wingroots near the tanks. In this location the pumps
can pressurize the entire line, prime the entire line, make fule flow
uphill, etc. No worries about auto gas vaporizing on a hot day at
altitude.
Ed
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All-
For those of you who have a flying Dynon D-100 EFIS w/remote
compass, roughly where did you mount the remote compass module?
Thanks.
Bill Naumuk
Townville, Pa.
HDS 601MG/Corvair 95%
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| Subject: | Speaking of fuel systems... |
All-
WW (And others) question whether my header tank was built correctly
at the factory. Pictures are attached. The feed line comes from a
console mounted Facet. The extra ports are (Supposedly) for a sight gage
quantity indicator. He thinks the input should be at the top of the
tank, and he's not the only one that has expressed that opinion in the
past.
I have an e-mail in to Zenith, but I'd appreciate any input. Mark,
if you're monitoring the list, what do you think?
Bill Naumuk
Townville, Pa.
HDS 601MG/Corvair 95%
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Bill--
I made a small bracket for mine and mounted it on the floor behind the pa
ssenger seat. Been working fine for 240 hours.
George May
601XL 912s
From: naumuk@alltel.net
Subject: Zenith-List: D100 compass
All-
For those of you who have a
flying Dynon D-100 EFIS w/remote compass=2C roughly where did you mount the
remote
compass module?
Thanks.
Bill Naumuk
Townville=2C Pa.
HDS 601MG/Corvair
95%
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| Subject: | Re: Speaking of fuel systems... |
With the feed at the bottom, fuel will leak back into the wing tank
possibly causing it to overflow unless a check valve is installed in
that line. That is the only issue you might have with that
configuration, the pump will feed fuel into the tank just as well
either way. Some Facet pumps have a built-in check valve, some are
designed to allow a very small amount of back flow (as I recall about
1/2 gallon per hour) in order to allow fuel lines to depressurize
after shut-down. If you want to use the Facet pump as your check
valve, make sure you get the correct model number.
On Nov 1, 2008, at 3:58 PM, Bill Naumuk wrote:
> All-
> WW (And others) question whether my header tank was built
> correctly at the factory. Pictures are attached. The feed line comes
> from a console mounted Facet. The extra ports are (Supposedly) for a
> sight gage quantity indicator. He thinks the input should be at the
> top of the tank, and he's not the only one that has expressed that
> opinion in the past.
> I have an e-mail in to Zenith, but I'd appreciate any input.
> Mark, if you're monitoring the list, what do you think?
>
> Bill Naumuk
> Townville, Pa.
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL,
RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.
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| Subject: | Re: Speaking of fuel systems... |
Is there a possibility that that feed goes up to the top of the tank on the inside
of the tank?
Plug the output, or hold the hose up and put some liquid in the tank to see if
it siphons out the input tube when half full.
I would not trust a check valve if the tank can siphon.
Jon Burns
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=211669#211669
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| Subject: | Re: D100 compass |
I put mine in the back of the baggage compartment. This way it its easy
to get to and I have the temperature sensor connected to the outside.
One item you need to keep in mine if you actually put baggage in there
make sure nothing with a strong magnet, like an electric razor ends up
on your remote compass.
Tim Shankland
Bill Naumuk wrote:
> All-
> For those of you who have a flying Dynon D-100 EFIS w/remote
> compass, roughly where did you mount the remote compass module?
> Thanks.
> Bill Naumuk
> Townville, Pa.
> HDS 601MG/Corvair 95%
>
>
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| Subject: | XL grounded in Spain |
Hello friends,
Sorry to inform that the XL are grounded in Spain.
bye,
--
Alberto Martin
www.iberplanes.es
Igualada - Barcelona - Spain
----------------------------------------------
Zodiac 601 XL Builder
Serial: 6-7011
Tail Kit: Finished
Wings: Not Started
Fuselage: Ordered
Engine: Jabiru 3300
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| Subject: | Re: D100 compass |
George-
With the battery and ELT on a shelf on the passenger side, I don't
have any more room. However, I'm sure a shelf on the pilot side would
work just as well.
Thanks.
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: george may
To: zenith list
Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 4:25 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: D100 compass
Bill--
I made a small bracket for mine and mounted it on the floor behind
the passenger seat. Been working fine for 240 hours.
George May
601XL 912s
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From: naumuk@alltel.net
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Subject: Zenith-List: D100 compass
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 09:55:20 -0400
All-
For those of you who have a flying Dynon D-100 EFIS w/remote
compass, roughly where did you mount the remote compass module?
Thanks.
Bill Naumuk
Townville, Pa.
HDS 601MG/Corvair 95%
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| Subject: | Re: Speaking of fuel systems... |
Jon-
That's a possibility that's never been brought up before. If one of the
bottom feeds does go to the top of the tank, I have to make sure which of
the bottom 2 it is. I would imagine I could take the cap off and stick an
inspection mirror in thereto find out. You can be sure I'll check.
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: "jonaburns" <lsapilot@HOTMAIL.COM>
Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 5:15 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Speaking of fuel systems...
>
> Is there a possibility that that feed goes up to the top of the tank on
> the inside of the tank?
>
> Plug the output, or hold the hose up and put some liquid in the tank to
> see if it siphons out the input tube when half full.
>
> I would not trust a check valve if the tank can siphon.
>
>
> Jon Burns
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=211669#211669
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: D100 compass |
Tim-
Aft of the seats somewhere seems to be the place of choice.
Thanks.
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: Tim Shankland
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 5:22 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: D100 compass
I put mine in the back of the baggage compartment. This way it its
easy to get to and I have the temperature sensor connected to the
outside. One item you need to keep in mine if you actually put baggage
in there make sure nothing with a strong magnet, like an electric razor
ends up on your remote compass.
Tim Shankland
Bill Naumuk wrote:
All-
For those of you who have a flying Dynon D-100 EFIS w/remote
compass, roughly where did you mount the remote compass module?
Thanks.
Bill Naumuk
Townville, Pa.
HDS 601MG/Corvair 95%
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| Subject: | Re: Speaking of fuel systems... |
My 8 gallon header tank had two inlets on the bottom. I had a welder
relocate one of them to the top and plug the resulting hole at the bottom.
Neither bottom inlet had a tube inside the tank.
George Swinford
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Naumuk" <naumuk@alltel.net>
Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 4:36 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Speaking of fuel systems...
>
> Jon-
> That's a possibility that's never been brought up before. If one of the
> bottom feeds does go to the top of the tank, I have to make sure which of
> the bottom 2 it is. I would imagine I could take the cap off and stick an
> inspection mirror in thereto find out. You can be sure I'll check.
> Bill
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "jonaburns" <lsapilot@HOTMAIL.COM>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 5:15 PM
> Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Speaking of fuel systems...
>
>
>>
>> Is there a possibility that that feed goes up to the top of the tank on
>> the inside of the tank?
>>
>> Plug the output, or hold the hose up and put some liquid in the tank to
>> see if it siphons out the input tube when half full.
>>
>> I would not trust a check valve if the tank can siphon.
>>
>>
>> Jon Burns
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=211669#211669
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | MS number for the Zenith Sprl Cap O-Ring |
Does anyone know the exact dimensions or MS number for the O Ring used on the Zenith
Sprl fuel caps? Aircraft Spruce wants $7.50 for a Sprl O Ring and $8
to ship it, with an MS number the price should come down a bit and I may find
it locally... for example the 3" Shaw fuel cap O-ring is just 88 cents.
Thanks, Sabrina
Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: D100 compass |
Mine is also mounted on the back wall of the baggage area. Easy to
access and sync the relative angle between the remote and the D-100.
Ken
CH701 912ULS N701LK
----- Original Message -----
From: Tim Shankland
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 5:22 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: D100 compass
I put mine in the back of the baggage compartment. This way it its
easy to get to and I have the temperature sensor connected to the
outside. One item you need to keep in mine if you actually put baggage
in there make sure nothing with a strong magnet, like an electric razor
ends up on your remote compass.
Tim Shankland
Bill Naumuk wrote:
All-
For those of you who have a flying Dynon D-100 EFIS w/remote
compass, roughly where did you mount the remote compass module?
Thanks.
Bill Naumuk
Townville, Pa.
HDS 601MG/Corvair 95%
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| Subject: | Re: Speaking of fuel systems... |
George and all-
The question is, why the hell did Zenith configure the header tank this
way?? You'd think there must be a reason.
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: "George Swinford" <grs-pms@comcast.net>
Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 7:53 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Speaking of fuel systems...
>
> My 8 gallon header tank had two inlets on the bottom. I had a welder
> relocate one of them to the top and plug the resulting hole at the bottom.
> Neither bottom inlet had a tube inside the tank.
>
> George Swinford
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bill Naumuk" <naumuk@alltel.net>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 4:36 PM
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Speaking of fuel systems...
>
>
>>
>> Jon-
>> That's a possibility that's never been brought up before. If one of
>> the bottom feeds does go to the top of the tank, I have to make sure
>> which of the bottom 2 it is. I would imagine I could take the cap off and
>> stick an inspection mirror in thereto find out. You can be sure I'll
>> check.
>> Bill
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "jonaburns" <lsapilot@HOTMAIL.COM>
>> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 5:15 PM
>> Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Speaking of fuel systems...
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Is there a possibility that that feed goes up to the top of the tank on
>>> the inside of the tank?
>>>
>>> Plug the output, or hold the hose up and put some liquid in the tank to
>>> see if it siphons out the input tube when half full.
>>>
>>> I would not trust a check valve if the tank can siphon.
>>>
>>>
>>> Jon Burns
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=211669#211669
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: D100 compass |
Thanks, Ken.
As said before, behind the seats seems to be the place.
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: Ken Arnold
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 8:22 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: D100 compass
Mine is also mounted on the back wall of the baggage area. Easy to
access and sync the relative angle between the remote and the D-100.
Ken
CH701 912ULS N701LK
----- Original Message -----
From: Tim Shankland
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 5:22 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: D100 compass
I put mine in the back of the baggage compartment. This way it its
easy to get to and I have the temperature sensor connected to the
outside. One item you need to keep in mine if you actually put baggage
in there make sure nothing with a strong magnet, like an electric razor
ends up on your remote compass.
Tim Shankland
Bill Naumuk wrote:
All-
For those of you who have a flying Dynon D-100 EFIS w/remote
compass, roughly where did you mount the remote compass module?
Thanks.
Bill Naumuk
Townville, Pa.
HDS 601MG/Corvair 95%
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| Subject: | Re: Speaking of fuel systems... |
The early Zodiacs had no wing tanks, the header tank was all there
was. In that case, there would be no need to have a fuel line entering
the top. But that doesn't explain the extra port at the bottom.
On Nov 1, 2008, at 8:25 PM, Bill Naumuk wrote:
>
> George and all-
> The question is, why the hell did Zenith configure the header tank
> this way?? You'd think there must be a reason.
> Bill
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL,
RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.
do not archive.
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| Subject: | Re: XL grounded in Spain |
WHY??
----- Original Message -----
From: Iberplanes IGL
To: zenith-list@matronics.com ; zenith601-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 7:09 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: XL grounded in Spain
Hello friends,
Sorry to inform that the XL are grounded in Spain.
bye,
--
Alberto Martin
www.iberplanes.es
Igualada - Barcelona - Spain
----------------------------------------------
Zodiac 601 XL Builder
Serial: 6-7011
Tail Kit: Finished
Wings: Not Started
Fuselage: Ordered
Engine: Jabiru 3300
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| Subject: | Re: Speaking of fuel systems... |
The early zodiacs had the option of tanks in the wing lockers, so the second
inlet on the bottom was needed. Perhaps they just standardized on that
feature.
George
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bryan Martin" <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 5:59 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Speaking of fuel systems...
>
> The early Zodiacs had no wing tanks, the header tank was all there was.
> In that case, there would be no need to have a fuel line entering the
> top. But that doesn't explain the extra port at the bottom.
>
> On Nov 1, 2008, at 8:25 PM, Bill Naumuk wrote:
>
>>
>> George and all-
>> The question is, why the hell did Zenith configure the header tank
>> this way?? You'd think there must be a reason.
>> Bill
>
>
> --
> Bryan Martin
> N61BM, CH 601 XL,
> RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.
> do not archive.
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Speaking of fuel systems... |
Bill,
My HDS 8 gallon header tank came with 2 fittings at the top of the tank, a fitting
at the bottom, and an output at the bottom that goes to fuel shutoff and engine.
My instructions say to plumb one of the top fittings to my optional wing tanks.
The other 2 are for a clear sight glass to be used as a fuel gauge.
I've seen some instructions in the early models that had the top fitting being
shared as a feed line and the top of the fuel sight gauge. I can remember 8 or
9 years ago when folks that were flying HDS's and HD's saying they used that
feature to know that their pump was working.
By using the bottom as a feed I would worry about leaving the plane with the header
and the wing tanks full. Over time the fuel would siphon out of the header
through the built in leak in the facet pump to the wing tanks.
Jerry
HDS 912S finally getting close to finishing.
---- Bill Naumuk <naumuk@alltel.net> wrote:
> All-
> WW (And others) question whether my header tank was built correctly at the
factory. Pictures are attached. The feed line comes from a console mounted Facet.
The extra ports are (Supposedly) for a sight gage quantity indicator. He
thinks the input should be at the top of the tank, and he's not the only one
that has expressed that opinion in the past.
> I have an e-mail in to Zenith, but I'd appreciate any input. Mark, if you're
monitoring the list, what do you think?
>
> Bill Naumuk
> Townville, Pa.
> HDS 601MG/Corvair 95%
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