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1. 03:23 AM - Re: D100 compass (/ DECORTE SARL)
2. 04:33 AM - Re: D100 compass (Edward Moody II)
3. 05:03 AM - Chat Room Reminder For "Digesters" (George Race)
4. 07:34 AM - Breakfast at Houston County Airport M93 McKinnon (4RCSIMMONS@comcast.net (Rich Simmons))
5. 07:39 AM - Re: D100 compass (lgingell)
6. 07:40 AM - Re: XL grounded in Spain (lgingell)
7. 07:57 AM - Re: Re: D100 compass (/ DECORTE SARL)
8. 08:33 AM - Re: D100 compass (Bill Naumuk)
9. 08:34 AM - Re: Re: D100 compass (Bill Naumuk)
10. 08:38 AM - Re: D100 compass (Gig Giacona)
11. 08:46 AM - Re: D100 compass (Craig Payne)
12. 08:47 AM - Re: XL grounded in Spain (Gig Giacona)
13. 08:54 AM - Re: D100 compass (Gig Giacona)
14. 09:03 AM - Re: Speaking of fuel systems... (Bill Naumuk)
15. 09:26 AM - Re: Speaking of fuel systems... (George Swinford)
16. 09:32 AM - Re: Speaking of fuel systems... (Clive Richards)
17. 09:46 AM - Re: Speaking of fuel systems... (Bill Naumuk)
18. 03:15 PM - Re: MS number for the Zenith Sprl Cap O-Ring (Sabrina)
19. 03:20 PM - 601/650 Elevator Horn Doubler Install (pkeast)
20. 03:58 PM - Re: 601/650 Elevator Horn Doubler Install (Ianrat)
21. 04:03 PM - Re: Re: MS number for the Zenith Sprl Cap O-Ring (Craig Payne)
22. 04:26 PM - Re: 601/650 Elevator Horn Doubler Install (pkeast)
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| Subject: | Re: D100 compass |
hello i am from france'stoll 701/912)
i am intrested in ther mount for the unit
is there a posibilitee to send a picture ?
thank you
www.lafermeaquatique
decorte johnny
----- Original Message -----
From: Ken Arnold
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 1:22 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: D100 compass
Mine is also mounted on the back wall of the baggage area. Easy to
access and sync the relative angle between the remote and the D-100.
Ken
CH701 912ULS N701LK
----- Original Message -----
From: Tim Shankland
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 5:22 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: D100 compass
I put mine in the back of the baggage compartment. This way it its
easy to get to and I have the temperature sensor connected to the
outside. One item you need to keep in mine if you actually put baggage
in there make sure nothing with a strong magnet, like an electric razor
ends up on your remote compass.
Tim Shankland
Bill Naumuk wrote:
All-
For those of you who have a flying Dynon D-100 EFIS w/remote
compass, roughly where did you mount the remote compass module?
Thanks.
Bill Naumuk
Townville, Pa.
HDS 601MG/Corvair 95%
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| Subject: | Re: D100 compass |
Isn't the big ole flap motor in that area?
ED
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| Subject: | Chat Room Reminder For "Digesters" |
Please join us for our Monday evening chat room starting around 8:00 PM
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| Subject: | Breakfast at Houston County Airport M93 McKinnon |
Hey Tony Graziano,
I am flying into Houston County airport (M93 McKinnon) Saturday for breakfast Saturday
Nov 8th if weather permits.
We should be leaving SYI by 7:30 and arriving at M93 around 8:30.
The place of eating is walking distance from the airport and folks part at the
west end turn around as close to the grass as possible. It is an Inn if I remember
correctly!
I have only been there once but thought some good bacon and eggs would be nice
for a point of destination.
I will be flying in with a Cherokee 140 rental.
If interested, shoot me an e-mail.
anyone else that is interested feel free to join in.
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Thanks,
Rich Simmons
601 XL fitting wings and waiting on Santa for Jabiru but I know I have been bad!!!
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| Subject: | Re: D100 compass |
Aft of the left seat, riveted to the floor is far enough away from the flap motor
not to be affected. This leaves room for the AP servos in the centre and the
behind the right seat.
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Zodiac XL/Jab 3300
http://lancegingell.com/plane.asp
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| Subject: | Re: XL grounded in Spain |
Anything to do with this?
http://www.zenithair.com/zodiac/xl/data/ad-ze-2008-01.pdf
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http://lancegingell.com/plane.asp
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| Subject: | Re: D100 compass |
i do not have a flap motot my flaps are manual
regards
www.lafermeaquatique
decorte johnny
----- Original Message -----
From: "lgingell" <lgingell@matrix-logic.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 4:38 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: D100 compass
>
>
> Aft of the left seat, riveted to the floor is far enough away from the
> flap motor not to be affected. This leaves room for the AP servos in the
> centre and the behind the right seat.
>
> --------
> Zodiac XL/Jab 3300
> http://lancegingell.com/plane.asp
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=211758#211758
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| Subject: | Re: D100 compass |
Dred+All-
Unlike the XL, the HDS doesn't have a hatch near the tail.
Everything's all buttoned up and I'm not going to tear the fuse top
skins off or try crawling back to the tail.
One of the listers who has 200+ hours on his system installed his
unit behind the passenger seat. The tray I built for the passenger side
is occupied with the battery and ELT. At the same time I built the
passenger side tray I built one for the pilot's side, originally
intending to mount a tool box on it. I decided against it and tore it
off, because the only thing gaining weight faster than I am is my
project. Pictures attached for the guy from France who wanted to see
some installations.
Luckily, I haven't visited the scrap yard recently so my pilot's
side tray was still around. I just stuck it in position for the picture-
I'll cut it down to fit the compass unit.
One question for all D-100 owners- how did you determine if the base
unit and the compass are mounted within plus or minus 1 degree of each
other? I assume this is in the roll axis.
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: Edward Moody II
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 7:29 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: D100 compass
Isn't the big ole flap motor in that area?
ED
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| Subject: | Re: D100 compass |
All-
Well, one nice thing about the HDS is you don't have to worry about a
flap motor!
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: "lgingell" <lgingell@matrix-logic.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 10:38 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: D100 compass
>
> Aft of the left seat, riveted to the floor is far enough away from the
> flap motor not to be affected. This leaves room for the AP servos in the
> centre and the behind the right seat.
>
> --------
> Zodiac XL/Jab 3300
> http://lancegingell.com/plane.asp
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=211758#211758
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: D100 compass |
I built my mount for the remote compass yesterday. I"m mounting well back in the
fuselage aft of the large access panel.
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W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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"how did you determine if the base unit and the compass are mounted within
plus or minus 1 degree of each other?"
Use a digital level.
-- Craig
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Naumuk
Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 9:33 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: D100 compass
Dred+All-
Unlike the XL, the HDS doesn't have a hatch near the tail. Everything's
all buttoned up and I'm not going to tear the fuse top skins off or try
crawling back to the tail.
One of the listers who has 200+ hours on his system installed his unit
behind the passenger seat. The tray I built for the passenger side is
occupied with the battery and ELT. At the same time I built the passenger
side tray I built one for the pilot's side, originally intending to mount a
tool box on it. I decided against it and tore it off, because the only thing
gaining weight faster than I am is my project. Pictures attached for the guy
from France who wanted to see some installations.
Luckily, I haven't visited the scrap yard recently so my pilot's side
tray was still around. I just stuck it in position for the picture- I'll cut
it down to fit the compass unit.
One question for all D-100 owners- how did you determine if the base
unit and the compass are mounted within plus or minus 1 degree of each
other? I assume this is in the roll axis.
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: Edward Moody II <mailto:dredmoody@cox.net>
Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 7:29 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: D100 compass
Isn't the big ole flap motor in that area?
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| Subject: | Re: XL grounded in Spain |
purplemoon99(at)bellsouth wrote:
> WHY??
>
I'd be willing to bet that the Spanish action is directly related to the Dutch
action. It wouldn't surprise me that if a couple of other EU counties follow suit.
Unfortunately, the Dutch seemed to have acted without even consultation with any
arm of Zenith.
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W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | Re: D100 compass |
craig(at)craigandjean.com wrote:
> how did you determine if the base unit and the compass are mounted within plus
or minus 1 degree of each other?
>
> Use a digital level.
>
I did the same. Assuming that the plane is built to specs the panel and the Dynon
box will be level when installed.
The mount I built for rear fuselage installation had to correct for the 3 degree
tilt of that area.
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W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | Re: Speaking of fuel systems... |
Jerry-
Another lister thought that the two bottom inputs were to accomodate
locker tanks. I don't think that's valid, because both would still be
feeding from the bottom.
I thought I had things figured out a couple of months ago after an
earlier posting, but William Wynne stopped me cold in my tracks on two
issues, the header routing and a firewall mounted Facet boost pump from the
header
That's why I wonder whether my tank is built correctly for my
configuration. Locker tanks with individual manual valves gravity fed to a
console mounted Facet which pushes fuel into the header. This is Jeff
Small's setup, which has around 500 hours on it. I can't see anything wrong
to this point, and the manual valves will prevent backwash to the wing
tanks.
As far as the firewall Facet boost pump, WW says he's "Never seen
anything but a gravity feed system from a header". Both Larry Mac and Jeff
have booster Facets, so this is a non-issue.
I guess I'll just have to wait to hear from Zenith.
Bill
.
----- Original Message -----
From: <jlatimer1@cox.net>
Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 10:30 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Speaking of fuel systems...
>
> Bill,
> My HDS 8 gallon header tank came with 2 fittings at the top of the tank, a
> fitting at the bottom, and an output at the bottom that goes to fuel
> shutoff and engine.
>
> My instructions say to plumb one of the top fittings to my optional wing
> tanks. The other 2 are for a clear sight glass to be used as a fuel
> gauge.
>
> I've seen some instructions in the early models that had the top fitting
> being shared as a feed line and the top of the fuel sight gauge. I can
> remember 8 or 9 years ago when folks that were flying HDS's and HD's
> saying they used that feature to know that their pump was working.
>
> By using the bottom as a feed I would worry about leaving the plane with
> the header and the wing tanks full. Over time the fuel would siphon out
> of the header through the built in leak in the facet pump to the wing
> tanks.
>
> Jerry
> HDS 912S finally getting close to finishing.
> ---- Bill Naumuk <naumuk@alltel.net> wrote:
>> All-
>> WW (And others) question whether my header tank was built correctly
>> at the factory. Pictures are attached. The feed line comes from a console
>> mounted Facet. The extra ports are (Supposedly) for a sight gage quantity
>> indicator. He thinks the input should be at the top of the tank, and he's
>> not the only one that has expressed that opinion in the past.
>> I have an e-mail in to Zenith, but I'd appreciate any input. Mark, if
>> you're monitoring the list, what do you think?
>>
>> Bill Naumuk
>> Townville, Pa.
>> HDS 601MG/Corvair 95%
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Speaking of fuel systems... |
Bill (and others interested):
I meant to suggest that the second inlet was to accommodate wing locker
tanks, if those were installed. I think putting the second inlet on the
bottom of the tank was a mistake in design, which was later rectified. As I
said, I had a welder move the second inlet on my tank to the top.
As for the firewall-mounted Facet boost pump, it goes with installation of
the Stratus Subaru which has dual Bing carbs on top of the engine, too high
for gravity feed. I hope this clears things up a little.
George
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Naumuk" <naumuk@alltel.net>
Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 9:03 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Speaking of fuel systems...
>
> Jerry-
> Another lister thought that the two bottom inputs were to accomodate
> locker tanks. I don't think that's valid, because both would still be
> feeding from the bottom.
> I thought I had things figured out a couple of months ago after an
> earlier posting, but William Wynne stopped me cold in my tracks on two
> issues, the header routing and a firewall mounted Facet boost pump from
> the header
> That's why I wonder whether my tank is built correctly for my
> configuration. Locker tanks with individual manual valves gravity fed to a
> console mounted Facet which pushes fuel into the header. This is Jeff
> Small's setup, which has around 500 hours on it. I can't see anything
> wrong to this point, and the manual valves will prevent backwash to the
> wing tanks.
> As far as the firewall Facet boost pump, WW says he's "Never seen
> anything but a gravity feed system from a header". Both Larry Mac and Jeff
> have booster Facets, so this is a non-issue.
> I guess I'll just have to wait to hear from Zenith.
> Bill
>
> .
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <jlatimer1@cox.net>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 10:30 PM
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Speaking of fuel systems...
>
>
>>
>> Bill,
>> My HDS 8 gallon header tank came with 2 fittings at the top of the tank,
>> a fitting at the bottom, and an output at the bottom that goes to fuel
>> shutoff and engine.
>>
>> My instructions say to plumb one of the top fittings to my optional wing
>> tanks. The other 2 are for a clear sight glass to be used as a fuel
>> gauge.
>>
>> I've seen some instructions in the early models that had the top fitting
>> being shared as a feed line and the top of the fuel sight gauge. I can
>> remember 8 or 9 years ago when folks that were flying HDS's and HD's
>> saying they used that feature to know that their pump was working.
>>
>> By using the bottom as a feed I would worry about leaving the plane with
>> the header and the wing tanks full. Over time the fuel would siphon out
>> of the header through the built in leak in the facet pump to the wing
>> tanks.
>>
>> Jerry
>> HDS 912S finally getting close to finishing.
>> ---- Bill Naumuk <naumuk@alltel.net> wrote:
>>> All-
>>> WW (And others) question whether my header tank was built correctly
>>> at the factory. Pictures are attached. The feed line comes from a
>>> console mounted Facet. The extra ports are (Supposedly) for a sight gage
>>> quantity indicator. He thinks the input should be at the top of the
>>> tank, and he's not the only one that has expressed that opinion in the
>>> past.
>>> I have an e-mail in to Zenith, but I'd appreciate any input. Mark,
>>> if you're monitoring the list, what do you think?
>>>
>>> Bill Naumuk
>>> Townville, Pa.
>>> HDS 601MG/Corvair 95%
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Speaking of fuel systems... |
Bill
We have only the bottom outlet to gascolator + near top &
bottom outlets which were originally designed for a sight gauge, we
blanked the bottom, feed in via top & use an electrical gauge. I note
you have the Zenith supplied taper tap ours was very tight to operate,
leaked & eventually seized, we used a ball type fuel valve from a motor
racing supplier very easy to turn. Another builder at our airfield with
a HDS feeds his in via the bottom if you do this beware most facet pumps
have a uncalibrated leak to prevent overpressurisation to carb from
retained heat or from sun expanding the fuel and will drain into wing
tanks over time if not isolated also a leak in this pipe could leak into
cockpit
Clive do not archive
Rays G CBDG 260Hrs
Message -----
From: Bill Naumuk
To: zenith list
Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 7:58 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Speaking of fuel systems...
All-
WW (And others) question whether my header tank was built
correctly at the factory. Pictures are attached. The feed line comes
from a console mounted Facet. The extra ports are (Supposedly) for a
sight gage quantity indicator. He thinks the input should be at the top
of the tank, and he's not the only one that has expressed that opinion
in the past.
I have an e-mail in to Zenith, but I'd appreciate any input. Mark,
if you're monitoring the list, what do you think?
Bill Naumuk
Townville, Pa.
HDS 601MG/Corvair 95%
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| Subject: | Re: Speaking of fuel systems... |
Clive-
That's not the Zenith supplied shutoff- I got it from a supplier in
Philadelphia. It's meant to switch auxilliary tanks on a truck.
I'm trying to avoid going with an electrical fuel gage- the project
is on the heavy side as it is.
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: Clive Richards
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 12:31 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Speaking of fuel systems...
Bill
We have only the bottom outlet to gascolator + near top
& bottom outlets which were originally designed for a sight gauge, we
blanked the bottom, feed in via top & use an electrical gauge. I note
you have the Zenith supplied taper tap ours was very tight to operate,
leaked & eventually seized, we used a ball type fuel valve from a motor
racing supplier very easy to turn. Another builder at our airfield with
a HDS feeds his in via the bottom if you do this beware most facet pumps
have a uncalibrated leak to prevent overpressurisation to carb from
retained heat or from sun expanding the fuel and will drain into wing
tanks over time if not isolated also a leak in this pipe could leak into
cockpit
Clive do not archive
Rays G CBDG 260Hrs
Message -----
From: Bill Naumuk
To: zenith list
Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 7:58 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Speaking of fuel systems...
All-
WW (And others) question whether my header tank was built
correctly at the factory. Pictures are attached. The feed line comes
from a console mounted Facet. The extra ports are (Supposedly) for a
sight gage quantity indicator. He thinks the input should be at the top
of the tank, and he's not the only one that has expressed that opinion
in the past.
I have an e-mail in to Zenith, but I'd appreciate any input.
Mark, if you're monitoring the list, what do you think?
Bill Naumuk
Townville, Pa.
HDS 601MG/Corvair 95%
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| Subject: | Re: MS number for the Zenith Sprl Cap O-Ring |
A few of you have written off list suggesting other suppliers... but no one has
come up with any numbers... These are the same caps as supplied on all post
2005 Zenith correct?
Can anyone tell me if it is 1/8 or 3/16 thick?
Can anyone tell me the approximate OD or ID?
I can order one MS29513 Nitrile size up and one down, still save 60%, and have
MS quality rather than the Viton designed by Du Pont for diesel and scuba gear.
I have not seen my airplane for two weeks and probably won't see it again for another
two. Although I prepare the test flights and review the pilot reports
and flight data, I do more paperwork now than anything else. I did not want
my pilot to bring the seal to me since the airplane sits on the tarmac and it
is supposed to rain on and off for a few days, that is all I need is water getting
in the tank.
What do you 701 guys think about this idea:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzI1b_nfAu8
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| Subject: | 601/650 Elevator Horn Doubler Install |
I feel i have a chicken and egg situation...
How exactly do I drill the inside (the elevator) angle bracket to the horn doubler?
Do i un-cleko the skin, bend it as little as possible and drill it from
the inside? Do i mark it as best i can while it's still together (again bending
the skin as little as possible) and take it out and drill it? and then...what
do i do when it's time to rivet??
not only can't i figure this out, but i can't find a solution online..which makes
me pretty much feel like i wouldn't recognize a chicken or egg if i had to
create a timeline ;)
thanks for the help!
Peter
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| Subject: | Re: 601/650 Elevator Horn Doubler Install |
If you look at the manual on the disk (with all of the photos on it). Have a look
at section 6-T-3C page 3-6. After it is all together you remove the Elevator
Centre Channel.
Ianrat
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| Subject: | Re: MS number for the Zenith Sprl Cap O-Ring |
I have one of the caps from my 2007 QBK lying in front of me. It looks just
like the picture in the Spruce catalog. With the o-ring removed and lying
"relaxed" on my desk the ID measures about 2.258 inches on my cheap plastic
dial caliper (plus or minus a few Angstroms). The diameter of the bottom of
the groove in the gray plastic cap is 2.264 inches. The diameter of the
actual circular cross section of the rubber is 0.114 inches. With the o-ring
in the cap the OD is 2.484 inches. That is a little off as 0.114 + 0.114 +
2.264 is 2.492, a 0.32% difference from 2.484.
If you need any different measurements just let me know. If you want more
accuracy (or maybe just significant digits) I can dig out my digital
caliper.
-- Craig
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[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sabrina
Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 4:15 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: MS number for the Zenith Sprl Cap O-Ring
A few of you have written off list suggesting other suppliers... but no
one has come up with any numbers... These are the same caps as supplied on
all post 2005 Zenith correct?
Can anyone tell me if it is 1/8 or 3/16 thick?
Can anyone tell me the approximate OD or ID?
I can order one MS29513 Nitrile size up and one down, still save 60%, and
have MS quality rather than the Viton designed by Du Pont for diesel and
scuba gear.
I have not seen my airplane for two weeks and probably won't see it again
for another two. Although I prepare the test flights and review the pilot
reports and flight data, I do more paperwork now than anything else. I did
not want my pilot to bring the seal to me since the airplane sits on the
tarmac and it is supposed to rain on and off for a few days, that is all I
need is water getting in the tank.
What do you 701 guys think about this idea:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzI1b_nfAu8
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| Subject: | Re: 601/650 Elevator Horn Doubler Install |
cool! thx...
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