---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 11/04/08: 15 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:19 AM - Re: Speaking of fuel systems... (ashontz) 2. 05:41 AM - Re: Paint after Polishing (kmccune) 3. 12:16 PM - Carburetor (BobbyPaulk@comcast.net) 4. 03:49 PM - Re: Re: Paint after Polishing (Bill Naumuk) 5. 03:57 PM - Re: Re: Paint after Polishing addendum (Bill Naumuk) 6. 04:12 PM - Re: Paint after Polishing (Bob Collins) 7. 04:23 PM - Re: Paint after Polishing (Craig Payne) 8. 04:38 PM - Polish, Paint OR not (jaybannist@cs.com) 9. 04:44 PM - Re: Re: Paint after Polishing (Tim Shankland) 10. 04:55 PM - Re: Paint after Polishing (George Swinford) 11. 05:15 PM - Murdock, Inc. (Bill Naumuk) 12. 05:17 PM - Fw: Murdock, Inc. (Bill Naumuk) 13. 05:21 PM - Re: Re: Paint after Polishing (Bill Naumuk) 14. 05:58 PM - Re: Polish, Paint OR not (Dave Austin) 15. 06:20 PM - Re: Paint after Polishing (Craig Payne) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:19:23 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Speaking of fuel systems... From: "ashontz" Just curious, are these tanks gas welded? I'm in the process of making my tanks and just wondering how they're made at Zenith. Those welds appear to be gas welds, which is what I'm doing, with lots of practice of course. :) -------- Andy Shontz do not archive CH601XL - Corvair www.mykitlog.com/ashontz Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=212215#212215 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:41:42 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Paint after Polishing From: "kmccune" I vaguely remember a benefit to polishing and corrosion resistance. But I may be remembering wrong. :? do not archive Kevin -------- Mark Twain: Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=212229#212229 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 12:16:34 PM PST US From: BobbyPaulk@comcast.net Subject: Zenith-List: Carburetor List, my 3300 Jab idles fairly good at 800 ~ 900 Rpm when i crack the throttle off idle at about 1050 to 1300 it will puff black smoke. at 1500 rpm it will smooth out. has any one changed jets or needle to fix the idle and low end mixture. i think if i change the needle jet to a smaller size then it would run too lean at cruise. this would call for a change in needle configuration. i gotta do something. any help would be appreciated. bobby N131BP 601 XL ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 03:49:15 PM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Paint after Polishing Kevin- The weight savings, corrosion protection and good looks all make polishing something due serious consideration which is why I went that route, and I have no trouble with Nuvite products. What comes into play with a Zodiac is the fact that you're polishing a hard alloy, 6061-T6, and it takes forever. If you get a square foot an hour you're doing good. Think about how many square feet of surface there is to be polished on a Zenith and then evaluate the capability you have to put in the mind deadening time it will take. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "kmccune" Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 8:41 AM Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Paint after Polishing > > I vaguely remember a benefit to polishing and corrosion resistance. But I > may be remembering wrong. :? > > > do not archive > > Kevin > > -------- > Mark Twain: Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the > things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the > bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your > sails. Explore. Dream. Discover. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=212229#212229 > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 03:57:11 PM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Paint after Polishing addendum One other thing. The complete guide to polishing using the Nuvite system is available on 601.org. Bill > Kevin- > The weight savings, corrosion protection and good looks all make > polishing something due serious consideration which is why I went that > route, and I have no trouble with Nuvite products. What comes into play > with a Zodiac is the fact that you're polishing a hard alloy, 6061-T6, and > it takes forever. If you get a square foot an hour you're doing good. > Think about how many square feet of surface there is to be polished on a > Zenith and then evaluate the capability you have to put in the mind > deadening time it will take. > Bill > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "kmccune" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 8:41 AM > Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Paint after Polishing > > >> >> I vaguely remember a benefit to polishing and corrosion resistance. But I >> may be remembering wrong. :? >> >> >> do not archive >> >> Kevin >> >> -------- >> Mark Twain: Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the >> things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the >> bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your >> sails. Explore. Dream. Discover. >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=212229#212229 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 04:12:04 PM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Paint after Polishing From: Bob Collins My understanding is that painting or polishing 6061 is purely for cosmetics. If fact, the light oxidation that forms provides a protective barrier for further corrosion (it seals the bare aluminum from the oxygen-laden air). This is not necessarily the case with the 2024 alloy used on Cessnas, RVs, etc. Your choice, but remember, lightness is a very good thing for an airplane. Bob Collins Sunnyvale CA USA raymondj wrote: > > Is there any benefit to polishing vs. leaving the factory finish > besides the looks? I'm just lazy and easily bored. > > Raymond Julian > Kettle River, MN > > "Hope for the best, > but prepare for the worst." > > do not archive > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Naumuk" > To: > Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 5:55 PM > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Paint after Polishing > > >> >> Dan- >> It takes forever to get a shine in T6, but from what I hear once >> you get >> it in, maintenance is minimal. >> Boring, boring, boring. You can't even get your kids to do it! >> Bill >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "steve" >> >> To: >> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 3:23 PM >> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Paint after Polishing >> >> >>> >>> >>> If I could turn back the clock, I would polish. >>> >>> Paint just adds weight and If you wanting to be in the sport pilot >>> arena >>> its just your loss in usefull load.... >>> >>> SW >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "messydeer" >>> To: >>> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 10:48 AM >>> Subject: Zenith-List: Paint after Polishing >>> >>> >>>> >>>> Hi! >>>> >>>> A couple years down the road, when my plane is done, I plan to >>>> polish it, >>>> possibly with the Nuvite stuff. I figure although it may take more >>>> time, >>>> it will be lighter and cheaper than painting. I do plan on having >>>> painted >>>> highlights, though. >>>> >>>> I also think that if for some reason I decide to paint all of the >>>> aluminum, I could do this after the polish job. But recently, I had >>>> been >>>> told that some folks have had problems doing just this. Something >>>> about >>>> not having the paint adhere will around the rivets, where residual >>>> polishing material hadn't come off. There may have been a bleeding >>>> effect, I'm not sure. >>>> >>>> Anybody have any experience or suggestion about this? >>>> >>>> Cheers! >>>> >>>> -------- >>>> Dan >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Read this topic online here: >>>> >>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=212102#212102 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 04:23:35 PM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Paint after Polishing My role model is the builder up in Washington state who neither painted or polished his plane. He did paint a pin-up girl on the cowl. But I can't recall his name or find his web site. As I recall he build his plane is some remarkable short period. -- Craig -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Collins Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 5:12 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Paint after Polishing My understanding is that painting or polishing 6061 is purely for cosmetics. If fact, the light oxidation that forms provides a protective barrier for further corrosion (it seals the bare aluminum from the oxygen-laden air). This is not necessarily the case with the 2024 alloy used on Cessnas, RVs, etc. Your choice, but remember, lightness is a very good thing for an airplane. Bob Collins Sunnyvale CA USA raymondj wrote: > > Is there any benefit to polishing vs. leaving the factory finish > besides the looks? I'm just lazy and easily bored. > > Raymond Julian > Kettle River, MN > > "Hope for the best, > but prepare for the worst." > > do not archive > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Naumuk" > To: > Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 5:55 PM > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Paint after Polishing > > >> >> Dan- >> It takes forever to get a shine in T6, but from what I hear once >> you get >> it in, maintenance is minimal. >> Boring, boring, boring. You can't even get your kids to do it! >> Bill >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "steve" >> >> To: >> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 3:23 PM >> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Paint after Polishing >> >> >>> >>> >>> If I could turn back the clock, I would polish. >>> >>> Paint just adds weight and If you wanting to be in the sport pilot >>> arena >>> its just your loss in usefull load.... >>> >>> SW >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "messydeer" >>> To: >>> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 10:48 AM >>> Subject: Zenith-List: Paint after Polishing >>> >>> >>>> >>>> Hi! >>>> >>>> A couple years down the road, when my plane is done, I plan to >>>> polish it, >>>> possibly with the Nuvite stuff. I figure although it may take more >>>> time, >>>> it will be lighter and cheaper than painting. I do plan on having >>>> painted >>>> highlights, though. >>>> >>>> I also think that if for some reason I decide to paint all of the >>>> aluminum, I could do this after the polish job. But recently, I had >>>> been >>>> told that some folks have had problems doing just this. Something >>>> about >>>> not having the paint adhere will around the rivets, where residual >>>> polishing material hadn't come off. There may have been a bleeding >>>> effect, I'm not sure. >>>> >>>> Anybody have any experience or suggestion about this? >>>> >>>> Cheers! >>>> >>>> -------- >>>> Dan >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Read this topic online here: >>>> >>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=212102#212102 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 04:38:23 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Polish, Paint OR not From: jaybannist@cs.com I understand that 6061-T6 is very corrosion resistant.? Therefore, I only painted the fiberglass parts, invasion stripes and a little other cosmetic painting.? I actually like the look of the "raw", unpolished aluminum.? Judge for yourself. Jay in Dallas Do not archive ________________________________________________________________________ Email message sent from CompuServe - visit us today at http://www.cs.com ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 04:44:26 PM PST US From: Tim Shankland Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Paint after Polishing I too when with the Nuvite product, while it is time consuming the first time, mine took a lot less than a square foot an hour. As I have mentioned before on this list a thin coating of mineral spirits ( paint thinner) make the Nuvite go on like cream. I am doing my yearly buff on the plane now, compared with the original buffing it is child's play. Tim Shankland Bill Naumuk wrote: > > Kevin- > The weight savings, corrosion protection and good looks all make > polishing something due serious consideration which is why I went that > route, and I have no trouble with Nuvite products. What comes into > play with a Zodiac is the fact that you're polishing a hard alloy, > 6061-T6, and it takes forever. If you get a square foot an hour you're > doing good. Think about how many square feet of surface there is to be > polished on a Zenith and then evaluate the capability you have to put > in the mind deadening time it will take. > Bill > ----- Original Message ----- From: "kmccune" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 8:41 AM > Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Paint after Polishing > > >> >> I vaguely remember a benefit to polishing and corrosion resistance. >> But I may be remembering wrong. :? >> >> >> do not archive >> >> Kevin >> >> -------- >> Mark Twain: Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by >> the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw >> off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade >> winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover. >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=212229#212229 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 04:55:58 PM PST US From: "George Swinford" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Paint after Polishing Craig: You must be referring to Joe Edwards. George ----- Original Message ----- From: "Craig Payne" Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 4:23 PM Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Paint after Polishing > > My role model is the builder up in Washington state who neither painted or > polished his plane. He did paint a pin-up girl on the cowl. But I can't > recall his name or find his web site. As I recall he build his plane is > some > remarkable short period. > > -- Craig > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Collins > Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 5:12 PM > To: zenith-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Paint after Polishing > > > My understanding is that painting or polishing 6061 is purely for > cosmetics. If fact, the light oxidation that forms provides a protective > barrier for further corrosion (it seals the bare aluminum from the > oxygen-laden air). This is not necessarily the case with the 2024 alloy > used on Cessnas, RVs, etc. > > Your choice, but remember, lightness is a very good thing for an airplane. > > Bob Collins > Sunnyvale CA USA > > raymondj wrote: >> >> Is there any benefit to polishing vs. leaving the factory finish >> besides the looks? I'm just lazy and easily bored. >> >> Raymond Julian >> Kettle River, MN >> >> "Hope for the best, >> but prepare for the worst." >> >> do not archive >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Naumuk" >> To: >> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 5:55 PM >> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Paint after Polishing >> >> >>> >>> Dan- >>> It takes forever to get a shine in T6, but from what I hear once >>> you get >>> it in, maintenance is minimal. >>> Boring, boring, boring. You can't even get your kids to do it! >>> Bill >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "steve" >>> >>> To: >>> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 3:23 PM >>> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Paint after Polishing >>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> If I could turn back the clock, I would polish. >>>> >>>> Paint just adds weight and If you wanting to be in the sport pilot >>>> arena >>>> its just your loss in usefull load.... >>>> >>>> SW >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "messydeer" >>>> To: >>>> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 10:48 AM >>>> Subject: Zenith-List: Paint after Polishing >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hi! >>>>> >>>>> A couple years down the road, when my plane is done, I plan to >>>>> polish it, >>>>> possibly with the Nuvite stuff. I figure although it may take more >>>>> time, >>>>> it will be lighter and cheaper than painting. I do plan on having >>>>> painted >>>>> highlights, though. >>>>> >>>>> I also think that if for some reason I decide to paint all of the >>>>> aluminum, I could do this after the polish job. But recently, I had >>>>> been >>>>> told that some folks have had problems doing just this. Something >>>>> about >>>>> not having the paint adhere will around the rivets, where residual >>>>> polishing material hadn't come off. There may have been a bleeding >>>>> effect, I'm not sure. >>>>> >>>>> Anybody have any experience or suggestion about this? >>>>> >>>>> Cheers! >>>>> >>>>> -------- >>>>> Dan >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Read this topic online here: >>>>> >>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=212102#212102 > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 05:15:14 PM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Zenith-List: Murdock, Inc. All- On the advice of Mark Jones, I ordered some AN fittings from Murdock.They, or their sister company Adaptors, Inc. have all those fittings you've been tearing your hair out to find. ACS and Wick's don't have 50% the selection! Customer service is outstanding. I screwed up on my first order (I know none of you have ever done that) and an RMA was immediately issued, with shipping credit!! I'm a VERY happy camper, and highly recommend these people. Every once in a while even a blind pig finds a truffle! Bill Naumuk Townville, Pa. HDS 601MG/Corvair 95% ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 05:17:32 PM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Zenith-List: Fw: Murdock, Inc. I forgot to mention that I don't know if they know that we're playing with aircraft. 'Nuf said. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Naumuk Cc: Corvair engines for homebuilt aircraft Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 8:13 PM Subject: Murdock, Inc. All- On the advice of Mark Jones, I ordered some AN fittings from Murdock.They, or their sister company Adaptors, Inc. have all those fittings you've been tearing your hair out to find. ACS and Wick's don't have 50% the selection! Customer service is outstanding. I screwed up on my first order (I know none of you have ever done that) and an RMA was immediately issued, with shipping credit!! I'm a VERY happy camper, and highly recommend these people. Every once in a while even a blind pig finds a truffle! Bill Naumuk Townville, Pa. HDS 601MG/Corvair 95% ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 05:21:00 PM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Paint after Polishing Tim- No matter what, it takes me an average of an hour/ft., even with the use of mineral spirits. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Shankland" Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 7:42 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Paint after Polishing > > > I too when with the Nuvite product, while it is time consuming the first > time, mine took a lot less than a square foot an hour. As I have mentioned > before on this list a thin coating of mineral spirits ( paint thinner) > make the Nuvite go on like cream. I am doing my yearly buff on the plane > now, compared with the original buffing it is child's play. > Tim Shankland > > Bill Naumuk wrote: > >> >> Kevin- >> The weight savings, corrosion protection and good looks all make >> polishing something due serious consideration which is why I went that >> route, and I have no trouble with Nuvite products. What comes into play >> with a Zodiac is the fact that you're polishing a hard alloy, 6061-T6, >> and it takes forever. If you get a square foot an hour you're doing good. >> Think about how many square feet of surface there is to be polished on a >> Zenith and then evaluate the capability you have to put in the mind >> deadening time it will take. >> Bill >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "kmccune" >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 8:41 AM >> Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Paint after Polishing >> >> >>> >>> I vaguely remember a benefit to polishing and corrosion resistance. But >>> I may be remembering wrong. :? >>> >>> >>> do not archive >>> >>> Kevin >>> >>> -------- >>> Mark Twain: Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the >>> things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the >>> bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your >>> sails. Explore. Dream. Discover. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Read this topic online here: >>> >>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=212229#212229 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 05:58:07 PM PST US From: "Dave Austin" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Polish, Paint OR not I didn't paint for the first 4 years and only polished twice. After the four years and four Canadian winters small white pockets began to appear on the 6061, particularly round the rivets. I had it painted. Dave Austin 601HDS - 912 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 06:20:38 PM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Paint after Polishing That's the one: "Build in a tent in 8 months" http://www.cleanh2o.com/633z/ZodieGirl.jpg http://www.cleanh2o.com/633z/ Not to mention the "Swedish mufflers"! -- Craig -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of George Swinford Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 5:54 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Paint after Polishing Craig: You must be referring to Joe Edwards. George ----- Original Message ----- From: "Craig Payne" Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 4:23 PM Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Paint after Polishing > > My role model is the builder up in Washington state who neither painted or > polished his plane. He did paint a pin-up girl on the cowl. But I can't > recall his name or find his web site. As I recall he build his plane is > some > remarkable short period. > > -- Craig > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Collins > Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 5:12 PM > To: zenith-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Paint after Polishing > > > My understanding is that painting or polishing 6061 is purely for > cosmetics. If fact, the light oxidation that forms provides a protective > barrier for further corrosion (it seals the bare aluminum from the > oxygen-laden air). This is not necessarily the case with the 2024 alloy > used on Cessnas, RVs, etc. > > Your choice, but remember, lightness is a very good thing for an airplane. > > Bob Collins > Sunnyvale CA USA > > raymondj wrote: >> >> Is there any benefit to polishing vs. leaving the factory finish >> besides the looks? I'm just lazy and easily bored. >> >> Raymond Julian >> Kettle River, MN >> >> "Hope for the best, >> but prepare for the worst." >> >> do not archive >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Naumuk" >> To: >> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 5:55 PM >> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Paint after Polishing >> >> >>> >>> Dan- >>> It takes forever to get a shine in T6, but from what I hear once >>> you get >>> it in, maintenance is minimal. >>> Boring, boring, boring. You can't even get your kids to do it! >>> Bill >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "steve" >>> >>> To: >>> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 3:23 PM >>> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Paint after Polishing >>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> If I could turn back the clock, I would polish. >>>> >>>> Paint just adds weight and If you wanting to be in the sport pilot >>>> arena >>>> its just your loss in usefull load.... >>>> >>>> SW >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "messydeer" >>>> To: >>>> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 10:48 AM >>>> Subject: Zenith-List: Paint after Polishing >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hi! >>>>> >>>>> A couple years down the road, when my plane is done, I plan to >>>>> polish it, >>>>> possibly with the Nuvite stuff. I figure although it may take more >>>>> time, >>>>> it will be lighter and cheaper than painting. I do plan on having >>>>> painted >>>>> highlights, though. >>>>> >>>>> I also think that if for some reason I decide to paint all of the >>>>> aluminum, I could do this after the polish job. But recently, I had >>>>> been >>>>> told that some folks have had problems doing just this. Something >>>>> about >>>>> not having the paint adhere will around the rivets, where residual >>>>> polishing material hadn't come off. There may have been a bleeding >>>>> effect, I'm not sure. >>>>> >>>>> Anybody have any experience or suggestion about this? >>>>> >>>>> Cheers! >>>>> >>>>> -------- >>>>> Dan >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Read this topic online here: >>>>> >>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=212102#212102 > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message zenith-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Zenith-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/zenith-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/zenith-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.