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0. 12:22 AM - List Fund Raiser (Matt Dralle)
1. 01:53 AM - Re: Speaking of fuel systems... (Brady)
2. 03:02 AM - Re: Polish, Paint OR not (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Fran=E7ois_CHAPPERON?=)
3. 03:46 AM - Re: Polish, Paint OR not (Paul Mulwitz)
4. 06:33 AM - Re: Polish, Paint OR not (Bryan Martin)
5. 08:38 AM - Ping: Jon for question about DVDs (Gig Giacona)
6. 08:51 AM - Re: Ping: Jon for question about DVDs (Jon Croke)
7. 08:58 AM - Re: Re: D100 compass (Afterfxllc@aol.com)
8. 09:23 AM - Re: Ping: Jon for question about DVDs (Gig Giacona)
9. 09:27 AM - Re: D100 compass (Gig Giacona)
10. 10:32 AM - Re: Re: D100 compass (Afterfxllc@aol.com)
11. 11:02 AM - Re: Murdock, Inc. (Carlos Sa)
12. 11:34 AM - Re: MS number for the Zenith Sprl Cap O-Ring (Sabrina)
13. 12:04 PM - FORGED 4340 CORVAIR CRANKSHAFTS (Brady)
14. 12:09 PM - Re: D100 compass (Gig Giacona)
15. 01:03 PM - Carburetor (crvsecretary@aol.com)
16. 01:16 PM - Re: Re: D100 compass (Afterfxllc@aol.com)
17. 02:32 PM - Re: Re: MS number for the Zenith Sprl Cap O-Ring (Joe Stevenson)
18. 03:35 PM - T-6 Corrosion Resistance (Bill Naumuk)
19. 03:51 PM - Re: Murdock, Inc. (Bill Naumuk)
20. 03:54 PM - Murdock (Bill Naumuk)
21. 04:10 PM - Re: D100 compass (Gig Giacona)
22. 04:15 PM - Re: T-6 Corrosion Resistance (Gig Giacona)
23. 04:16 PM - Re: Re: D100 compass (Afterfxllc@aol.com)
24. 04:33 PM - Re: T-6 Corrosion Resistance (Bryan Martin)
25. 04:51 PM - Re: D100 compass (Gig Giacona)
26. 05:05 PM - Re: Re: D100 compass (Afterfxllc@aol.com)
27. 05:07 PM - Re: D100 compass (leinad)
28. 05:17 PM - Re: Murdock (leinad)
29. 05:21 PM - Re: T-6 Corrosion Resistance (George Swinford)
30. 05:32 PM - New engine mount now ready to ship (Afterfxllc@aol.com)
31. 05:37 PM - Flap limit switch (wade jones)
32. 06:17 PM - Re: New engine mount now ready to ship (Sabrina)
33. 06:35 PM - Re: Re: New engine mount now ready to ship (Afterfxllc@aol.com)
34. 06:40 PM - My new project (Afterfxllc@aol.com)
35. 07:09 PM - Re: Paint after Polishing (Terry Phillips)
36. 07:26 PM - Re: New engine mount now ready to ship (Sabrina)
37. 07:36 PM - Re: Paint after Polishing (George Swinford)
38. 07:55 PM - Re: Flap limit switch (John Swartout)
39. 08:05 PM - Re: Re: New engine mount now ready to ship (Afterfxllc@aol.com)
40. 08:42 PM - Re: Flap limit switch (T. Graziano)
41. 08:53 PM - Re: New engine mount now ready to ship (Sabrina)
42. 09:03 PM - Re: Flap limit switch (Geoff Eather)
43. 10:32 PM - Re: Ping: Jon for question about DVDs (Craig Payne)
44. 10:53 PM - Re: Re: New engine mount now ready to ship (Afterfxllc@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Re: Speaking of fuel systems... |
Andy,
All the fuel tanks supplied by Zenith are TIG welded.
As are all the weld-ments; steel or aluminum.
--------
Brady McCormick
Poulsbo, WA
www.magnificentmachine.com
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| Subject: | Re: Polish, Paint OR not |
Hello every=85budy=92s !
Let me introduce myself :
My name is Fran=E7ois CHAPPERON, I=92m French, you know ? the ones who
eat
frogs !
I=92m 54 years old and ultra light flying since 1995 on various
machines=85
November 2007, I=92 received directly from the Canadian Zenith factory,
my
100% kit of 601 xl .
Motor is a Rotax 912 s .
I have a parachute BRS .
First flight was ran on July the 4th !
Meanwhile , I went through the various difficulties of building with
very
few plans and information !
I was reading Zenith list regularly, picking informations and not enough
sure of myself to get in contact =85
Yes you can be shy at 54 ! Especially when the language is different .
I have had some direct contacts and advice with our friend
=93cookinwithgaz=94 .
Today I=92m pleased to get into the community , =85and to give my point
of view
about the topic.
I went through polishing nearly all of my 601 except parts to be painted
.(
see pictures on: http://picasaweb.google.fr/chapred
It took me about hundred hours with Nuvite stuff and process. (ordered
directly by internet half price with France!!!)
The result is splendid, and maintenance is not so hard ! The water here
is
overcharged with calcareous, impossible to wash traditionally.
So I use a wet (not dumpy)microfiber glove (water +dish soap) and I dry
immediately with others microfibers gloves(generally two)
Result is nice and delay the day I will have to re-polish !
Aluminum oxide is a natural barer to more oxidation but I =91m still not
sure
that a non painted aircraft is as resistant to oxidation than a painted
one=85
In the mean time, there is a lot of planes , painted, which present
oxidation attacks =85
So what to think ?
I read in one of the skipped posts that the aluminium used by Zenith
should
be more resistant than the one used by Cessna or others=85
Is that =93probated=94 ?
Sincerely,
Fran=E7ois
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| Subject: | Re: Polish, Paint OR not |
Hi Francois,
RVs and (I think) Cessnas use an aluminum alloy
called 2024 for skin and other purposes. this is
a very stiff and strong alloy that contains
copper. It is the copper in this metal that
corrodes easily because it is very chemically active.
Our planes are made primarily from 6061. This is
an aluminum alloy that contains no copper. It is
commonly used for household products like screen
doors and lawn furniture. It is highly resistant
to corrosion in normal environments. It does
tend to corrode when exposed to sea salt as you
might find in the air near oceans.
I believe paint will help prevent corrosion on
either alloy. It can be considered a necessity on 2024 and optional on 6061.
2024 is so prone to corrosion that it is usually
shipped with a thin coating of pure aluminum on
the surface to preserve it. This product is
called "Alclad". The coating does work so long
as it is not scratched. It is so thin that even
a small scratch will expose the copper alloy in
the main piece of metal. This means the alclad
feature is not satisfactory for long term use to prevent corrosion.
After all that, I am taking a conservative
approach to corrosion prevention on my XL. I did
not apply any paint on internal joints as some
people do. I did paint exposed interior parts
such as the cabin interior and I intend to paint the entire exterior.
Paul
XL getting close
At 03:01 AM 11/5/2008, Franois CHAPPERON wrote:
>I read in one of the skipped posts that the
>aluminium used by Zenith should be more
>resistant than the one used by Cessna or others
>
>Is that probated ?
>
>
>Sincerely,
>
>
>Franois
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| Subject: | Re: Polish, Paint OR not |
The Zenith aircraft use 6061 aluminum, which is a corrosion resistant
alloy. It is not necessary to apply protective coating to the inside
surfaces of the airplane in most cases.
Most aircraft are made of 2024 aluminum which is not nearly as
corrosion resistant as 6061. 2024 usually has a coating of pure
aluminum on one side to protect the outside surfaces of the airplane
from corrosion. The inside surfaces of an airplane made of 2024 should
be painted with a corrosion resistant material or there is a higher
risk of hidden corrosion causing damage to the airplane.
6061 is more corrosion resistant and less expensive than 2024 but 2024
is significantly stronger than 6061. An airplane made of 6061 has to
be built a bit heavier than one made of 2024 to get the same strength.
This is an acceptable trade off on smaller airplanes. On large
airplanes, the extra weight becomes an issue so 2024 is preferred.
On Nov 5, 2008, at 6:01 AM, Fran=E7ois CHAPPERON wrote:
> Hello every=85budy=92s !
>
> I read in one of the skipped posts that the aluminium used by Zenith
> should be more resistant than the one used by Cessna or others=85
> Is that =93probated=94 ?
>
>
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL,
RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.
do not archive.
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| Subject: | Ping: Jon for question about DVDs |
Quick question. Do any of the DVDs have the wing mounting process shown, hopefully
in detail?
If so which one.
--------
W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | Re: Ping: Jon for question about DVDs |
At this time, yes for the 701, no for the 601... but I have that topic as a
"must have" for a future topic.
>
> Quick question. Do any of the DVDs have the wing mounting process shown,
> hopefully in detail?
>
> If so which one.
>
> --------
> W.R. "Gig" Giacona
> 601XL Under Construction
> See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
>
> do not archive
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=212507#212507
>
>
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7:17 AM
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| Subject: | Re: D100 compass |
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| Subject: | Re: Ping: Jon for question about DVDs |
Obviously the 601 is the one I'm concerned with. Any idea on when that might be
out?
Jon(at)joncroke.com wrote:
> At this time, yes for the 701, no for the 601... but I have that topic as a
> "must have" for a future topic.
>
>
> >
> > Quick question. Do any of the DVDs have the wing mounting process shown,
> > hopefully in detail?
> >
> > If so which one.
> >
> > --------
> > W.R. "Gig" Giacona
> > 601XL Under Construction
> > See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
> >
> > do not archive
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 12507#212507
> >
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> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com
> 7:17 AM
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W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | Re: D100 compass |
Afterfxllc(at)aol.com wrote:
>
Was there supposed to be text with your photo? If so it didn't show up.
That said doesn't not mounting the remote compass remotely sort of negate the idea
of having a remote compass. They provide that long wire for a reason.
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W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | Re: D100 compass |
This is my 3rd panel built this way and they work perfect. Why route it in
some far off location if you don't have to. But what do I know.
Jeff
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| Subject: | Re: Murdock, Inc. |
Bill, is there an URL?
I did a search and found multiple hits, not sure which one you are referring
to...
Carlos
2008/11/4 Bill Naumuk <naumuk@alltel.net>
> All-
> On the advice of Mark Jones, I ordered some AN fittings from Murdock.They,
> or their sister company Adaptors, Inc. have all those fittings you've been
> tearing your hair out to find. ACS and Wick's don't have 50% the
> selection!
> Customer service is outstanding. I screwed up on my first order (I know
> none of you have ever done that) and an RMA was immediately issued, with
> shipping credit!!
> I'm a VERY happy camper, and highly recommend these people.
> Every once in a while even a blind pig finds a truffle!
> Bill Naumuk
> Townville, Pa.
> HDS 601MG/Corvair 95%
>
> **
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: MS number for the Zenith Sprl Cap O-Ring |
Thank you all, especially Larry, Craig and Roger (from Zenith.) Just over $2 total
delivered in 2 days--new O rings in hand from Spruce.
I noticed 50 views of my video on YouTube from Matronics this past week. For those of you who watched the video, what do you think of my idea? Out of 150,000 entries for Google's $10,000,000 great idea prize, I am holding in the top 10 in popularity. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzI1b_nfAu8
Thank you guys for watching... It is now as important as ever to prove the value
of our small aircraft to the government as they reconsider user fees.
For those that have written off line asking what I have been doing... I have been
designing N5887Q on CATIA with the help of some great engineers from coast
to coast. They call me the Tom Sawyer of Spacecraft Design... I watch as others
paint my fence for me (design my craft.) :o) I am learning a lot and I hope
to start the mock up this fall and the prototype cockpit in 2009. I actually
met the NASA Administrator this summer and he knew me on sight, kinda cool--he
even wrote a follow up letter to me this fall. Sir Branson's people knew
enough about me to ask my launch date and the Canadian Arrow guys took me out
to dinner. Don't worry, I am keeping my design under wraps. Only my MIT guys
know the details at this point.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=212528#212528
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| Subject: | FORGED 4340 CORVAIR CRANKSHAFTS |
Lady's & Gentlemen,
This morning at 10:00 am FedEx left with us the first and only forged 4340 Corvair
crankshafts in existence that we aware of. Today is a day that will go down
in Corvair-powered aircraft history as these are one of the most important developments
for our engines. We are very excited about their long awaited arrival
and we are, so far, very pleased with the results. More information and
pictures are forthcoming this week.
For inquiring minds, as measured this morning, the main bearing journal radii are
.125", and the rod bearing journals radii are .100".
Check our website often for updates on this exciting and long-awaited project!
Thank you,
--------
Brady McCormick
Poulsbo, WA
www.magnificentmachine.com
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| Subject: | Re: D100 compass |
That's great that it works for you but, quoting from the installation manual...
> Keep the EDC-D10A away from any source of magnetic fields (such as electrical
equipment and current-carrying wires) and ferrous material.
And if your intallation is anything like any other I've seen there are a metric
buttload of "electrical equipment and current-carrying wires" where yours is
mounted.
But what do they know, they just built it.
Afterfxllc(at)aol.com wrote:
> This is my 3rd panel built this way and they work perfect. Why route it in some
far off location if you don't have to. But what do I know.
>
> Jeff
>
>
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W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
Read this topic online here:
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Hello Bobby:
Although I am FAR from an expert on Bing CV (constant velocity) carbs, i can attempt
to explain the theory of what is happening....
At idle you are running exclusively through the idle circuit.? As you crack open
the throttle, there are transition circuits that come into play.? When you get
to 1500 you are running "on the needle" that sticks through the main jet, efffectively
closing off the size of the main jet fuel flow until the needle retracts....from
3/4 throttle to wide open you're on the main jet only.
Transition circuit problems are very difficult to diagnose.? Sounds like you are
running very rich through this circuit.? I would recommend a note to Jabiru
USA - Pete knows these things better than anyone.? The other source of information
is "The?Carb Doctor"
http://www.bingcarburetor.com/
who is the official importer of Bing carbs and parts here in the USA.? The manual
is worth every penny.? It's been a long time since I had to access this info,
but every owner of an old BMW "airhead" motorcycle has had to deal with these
carbs at least once !!
After some thought...check your float height.? If it is set too high that would
cause a rich running engine.....
Good Luck
Tracy Smith
N458XL reserved
610XL
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Time: 12:16:34 PM PST US
From: BobbyPaulk@comcast.net
Subject: Zenith-List: Carburetor
List,
my 3300 Jab idles fairly good at 800 ~ 900 Rpm when i crack the throttle off
idle at about 1050 to 1300 it will puff black smoke. at 1500 rpm it will smooth
out.
has any one changed jets or needle to fix the idle and low end mixture.
i think if i change the needle jet to a smaller size then it would run too lean
at cruise.
this would call for a change in needle configuration.
i gotta do something. any help would be appreciated.
bobby
N131BP
601 XL
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| Subject: | Re: D100 compass |
Have fun crawling thru the airplane to install and service it but hey you
know what's best for you. If you watch what you are doing you can keep the
wires away from it and it works. The manual warns against ppl putting it on top
of the battery because someone would do it but putting it in the tail is
overkill.
Jeff
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| Subject: | Re: MS number for the Zenith Sprl Cap O-Ring |
Sabrina,=0A-=0A-As with all of your Youtube video=A2s this one was also
outstanding. Your idea is of merit but lacks feasibility as an overall GA
approach. However, applied to CAP, Public Safety aviation and trained first
responders with a good HazMat background who are involved in GA it=A2s a w
inner. You are correct in reporting that low altitude as well as the lower
speeds encountered in GA are conducive to such aircraft utilizing radiation
detectors.=0A-=0AI wish you the best in your continued education and bui
lding, you were the motivating factor in my decision to begin an aircraft b
uild. FWIW I=A2m a law enforcement professional with an extensive backgroun
d in HazMat as well as Homeland Security. Should you need information on pe
rsonal protective equipment, respiratory protection or detection equipment
I=A2ll be more than glad to point you in the right direction. =0A-=0ABest
=0A-=0AJoe S.=0A-=0ADo Not Archive =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A_____________________
___________=0AFrom: Sabrina <chicago2paris@msn.com>=0ATo: zenith-list@matro
nics.com=0ASent: Wednesday, November 5, 2008 1:32:56 PM=0ASubject: Zenith-L
ist: Re: MS number for the Zenith Sprl Cap O-Ring=0A=0A--> Zenith-List mess
age posted by: "Sabrina" <chicago2paris@msn.com>=0A=0AThank you all, especi
ally Larry, Craig and Roger (from Zenith.)- Just over $2 total delivered
in 2 days--new O rings in hand from Spruce.=0A=0AI noticed 50 views of my v
ideo on YouTube from Matronics this past week.- For those of you who watc
hed the video, what do you think of my idea?- Out of 150,000 entries for
Google's $10,000,000 great idea prize, I am holding in the top 10 in popula
rity.- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzI1b_nfAu8=0A=0AThank you guys f
or watching... It is now as important as ever to prove the value of our sma
ll aircraft to the government as they reconsider user fees.- =0A=0AFor th
ose that have written off line asking what I have been doing... I have been
designing N5887Q on CATIA with the help of some great engineers from coast
to coast.- They call me the Tom Sawyer of Spacecraft Design... I watch a
s others paint my fence for me (design my craft.) :o)- I am learning a lo
t and I hope to start the mock up this fall and the prototype cockpit in 20
09.- I actually met the NASA Administrator this summer and he knew me on
sight, kinda cool--he even wrote a follow up letter to me this fall.- Sir
Branson's people knew enough about me to ask my launch date and the Canadi
an Arrow guys took me out to dinner.- - Don't worry, I am keeping my de
sign under wraps.- Only my MIT guys know the details at this point.=0A=0A
=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/view
==================0A=0A=0A
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| Subject: | T-6 Corrosion Resistance |
Z-Builders-
For all of you touting the corrosion resistant qualities of T-6,
look at the attached picture. This is the only original skin I still
have- I keep it around to make L angle out of. The T-6 picture was taken
in the garanger, "Other stuff" was taken in the basement. Not exactly
severe conditions.
My skins were stored standing upright against the panelled walls of
my basement (Where a dehumidifier was running 24/7) in their paper
wrapping. When was ready to install them, this is what I found when I
unwrapped them. Consequently, I literally had to rebuild 75% of my
factory supplied parts from scratch. And yes, the factory T-6 marks are
on all the bad skins.
Bill Naumuk
Townville, Pa.
HDS 601MG/Corvair 95%
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| Subject: | Re: Murdock, Inc. |
www.murdockindustrial.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Carlos Sa
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 2:01 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Murdock, Inc.
Bill, is there an URL?
I did a search and found multiple hits, not sure which one you are
referring to...
Carlos
2008/11/4 Bill Naumuk <naumuk@alltel.net>
All-
On the advice of Mark Jones, I ordered some AN fittings from
Murdock.They, or their sister company Adaptors, Inc. have all those
fittings you've been tearing your hair out to find. ACS and Wick's don't
have 50% the selection!
Customer service is outstanding. I screwed up on my first order
(I know none of you have ever done that) and an RMA was immediately
issued, with shipping credit!!
I'm a VERY happy camper, and highly recommend these people.
Every once in a while even a blind pig finds a truffle!
Bill Naumuk
Townville, Pa.
HDS 601MG/Corvair 95%
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All-
For those asking about the other fittings available from Murdock I
spoke of, you have to contact their sister company, www.Adaptorsinc.com
Bill Naumuk
Townville, Pa.
HDS 601MG/Corvair 95%
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| Subject: | Re: D100 compass |
Is that the Amp shunt two inches to the right of it?
Afterfxllc(at)aol.com wrote:
> Have fun crawling thru the airplane to install and service it but hey you know
what's best for you. If you watch what you are doing you can keep the wires
away from it and it works. The manual warns against ppl putting it on top of
the battery because someone would do it but putting it in the tail is overkill.
>
> Jeff
>
>
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See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | Re: T-6 Corrosion Resistance |
I had a piece that got damp in the wrapping paper. Top rear fuselage skin that
looked much like that. There was no pitting and it cleaned up just fine with some
stuff I found at Home Depot.
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| Subject: | Re: D100 compass |
Get over yourself
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| Subject: | Re: T-6 Corrosion Resistance |
6061 is corrosion resistant, much more so than 2024, but it is not
corrosion proof. The paper it came wrapped in is to protect it during
shipment. In a damp environment, the paper can hold moisture which can
not only promote corrosion directly, it can promote biological growth
which can be another source of corrosion. Even with de-humidifiers,
basements tend to be damp and if air can't circulate around the metal
to purge the moisture, you can end up with a favorable environment for
corrosion.
On Nov 5, 2008, at 6:34 PM, Bill Naumuk wrote:
> Z-Builders-
> For all of you touting the corrosion resistant qualities of T-6,
> look at the attached picture. This is the only original skin I still
> have- I keep it around to make L angle out of. The T-6 picture was
> taken in the garanger, "Other stuff" was taken in the basement. Not
> exactly severe conditions.
> My skins were stored standing upright against the panelled walls
> of my basement (Where a dehumidifier was running 24/7) in their
> paper wrapping. When was ready to install them, this is what I found
> when I unwrapped them. Consequently, I literally had to rebuild 75%
> of my factory supplied parts from scratch. And yes, the factory T-6
> marks are on all the bad skins.
>
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL,
RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.
do not archive.
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| Subject: | Re: D100 compass |
Wow, I was just asking.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: D100 compass |
Gig
Sorry I'm having a very bad day and your question was taken as a smart
remark... I really thought the coils would be the main problem but the compass
doesn't fluctuate at all. I leave 6 inches of shielded wire just in case I have
a problem. I'm trying to dig up the other photo's but they are in 3 different
pc's The center stick XL has it in a slightly different place.
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| Subject: | Re: D100 compass |
A lot has been said, but here's what I did and why. I finally mounted mine near
the rear access panel at the back of the plane. I first hooked the unit up
and connected to the Dynon before permanently mounting it. I had an inexpensive
magnetic compass that I used to verify the heading of the plane. This also
validated the magnetic alignment of my workshop on our plat. The plane was
setting parallel to the building. I planned on putting the electronic magnet
behind the passenger seat. I couldn't find anywhere in that area that it read
accurately. The flap torque tube was causing a lot of magnetic interference
(ferrous), and when I got it far enough from the flap controls the steel tube
framing of the step started taking over. My final location in the back of the
plane is very convenient and easily reached and there was no measurable deviation
due to local magnetic fields.
Dan 601XL Dempsey (should be test running my engine soon)
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Hey Bill,
I think the URL is:
http://adaptersinc.com/
Thanks for the post.
Dan
[quote="naumuk(at)alltel.net"]All-
For those asking about the other fittings available from Murdock I spoke of, you have to contact their sister company, www.Adaptorsinc.com (http://www.Adaptorsinc.com)
Bill Naumuk
Townville, Pa.
HDS 601MG/Corvair 95%
> [b]
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| Subject: | Re: T-6 Corrosion Resistance |
Someone more knowlegeable may correct me on this, but I believe the
manufacturing process for kraft paper and for corrugated cardboard
results in a finished product which is somewhat acidic. I know that
regular cardboard shouldn't be used to back framed pictures or documents
for that reason. It probably shouldn't be in long-term contact with any
sort of aluminum, even in conditions of low humidity.
Incidentally, T-6 refers to the heat-treatment rather than the alloy
itself. The alloy is 6061, so the full designation is 6061-T6. It does
give good service in aluminum canoes and boats, so it must be at least
somewhat corrosion resistant.
George
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Naumuk
To: zenith list
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 3:34 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: T-6 Corrosion Resistance
Z-Builders-
For all of you touting the corrosion resistant qualities of T-6,
look at the attached picture. This is the only original skin I still
have- I keep it around to make L angle out of. The T-6 picture was taken
in the garanger, "Other stuff" was taken in the basement. Not exactly
severe conditions.
My skins were stored standing upright against the panelled walls
of my basement (Where a dehumidifier was running 24/7) in their paper
wrapping. When was ready to install them, this is what I found when I
unwrapped them. Consequently, I literally had to rebuild 75% of my
factory supplied parts from scratch. And yes, the factory T-6 marks are
on all the bad skins.
Bill Naumuk
Townville, Pa.
HDS 601MG/Corvair 95%
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| Subject: | New engine mount now ready to ship |
601, 650, and 750 builders
This is Aerolite's new engine mount and is ready to ship. the price is
$600.00 + shipping.
I will have more photo's of the mount on the website later tonight.
_www.aeroliteproducts.com_ (http://www.aeroliteproducts.com)
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| Subject: | Flap limit switch |
Hello group ,Thanks for all the good advise I got on the fuel system .I
have started to assemble the beast and found that one of my limit
switches on my flap motor is broken .It is not a Zenith supplied item ,I
think it came of a Bonanza (courtesy of Dave Clay). Does anyone on the
list know of a source for these . Thanks
Wade Jones South Texas
601XL Franklin 0-235
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| Subject: | Re: New engine mount now ready to ship |
Jeff,
Just out of curiosity, do you personally test fly your engine mount design before
you mfg. and sell them to others? If so, for how many hours...
I know I had a tough time convincing the FAA about my engine mount vibration dampeners,
even thought I basically copied Cessna (the Patent was expired.)
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| Subject: | Re: New engine mount now ready to ship |
Sabrina
Yes I have flown behind every part we make and feel very good doing it and
the reason is not that I think they are good parts it's because the people that
make them are much smarter than myself. One of them builds NHRA dragsters
and the other has an aeronautical degree. While they never went to Embry Riddle
they are still pretty smart guys. The rear unit has a combined total of 135
hrs on 3 different planes with no problems reported. I am tired of trying to
fight for acceptance of my parts the proof will be in the combination of the
5 air planes our parts are powering.
Regards
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These are air intakes for the 601XL with a WW nosebowl.
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| Subject: | Paint after Polishing |
I remember that gentlemen's presentation at the Arlington Flyin. I don't
remember his name, however. IIRC, he finished in about 6 months or so. It
was rough around the edges, but SIX MONTHS! I'm attaching a couple of
photos so you can see what it looked like.
Terry
At 05:23 PM 11/4/2008 -0700, you wrote:
>My role model is the builder up in Washington state who neither painted or
>polished his plane. He did paint a pin-up girl on the cowl. But I can't
>recall his name or find his web site. As I recall he build his plane is some
>remarkable short period.
>
>-- Craig
Terry Phillips ZBAGer
ttp44~at~rkymtn.net
Corvallis MT
601XL/Jab 3300 s .. l .. o .. o .. w build kit - Tail, flaps, & ailerons
are done; working on the wings
http://www.mykitlog.com/N47TP/
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| Subject: | Re: New engine mount now ready to ship |
That is so cool... (I need to learn how to work with resin better.)
Question, is a newly designed engine part/mount considered a major modification
requiring a 5 hour test period?
If so, is that test period as restrictive as the Phase 1 so that you have to do
it solo?
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| Subject: | Re: Paint after Polishing |
As I posted before, the builder's name is Joe Edwards. He is a member of
EAA Chapter 26 in Seattle. He was on the list, but I haven't seen any post
of his lately.
He built the airplane in a tent in his back yard. It is powered by a Jabiru
3300, and it's a pleasure to fly.
George
----- Original Message -----
From: "Terry Phillips" <ttp44@rkymtn.net>
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 7:04 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Paint after Polishing
>I remember that gentlemen's presentation at the Arlington Flyin. I don't
> remember his name, however. IIRC, he finished in about 6 months or so. It
> was rough around the edges, but SIX MONTHS! I'm attaching a couple of
> photos so you can see what it looked like.
>
> Terry
>
>
> At 05:23 PM 11/4/2008 -0700, you wrote:
>>My role model is the builder up in Washington state who neither painted or
>>polished his plane. He did paint a pin-up girl on the cowl. But I can't
>>recall his name or find his web site. As I recall he build his plane is
>>some
>>remarkable short period.
>>
>>-- Craig
>
>
> Terry Phillips ZBAGer
> ttp44~at~rkymtn.net
> Corvallis MT
> 601XL/Jab 3300 s .. l .. o .. o .. w build kit - Tail, flaps, & ailerons
> are done; working on the wings
> http://www.mykitlog.com/N47TP/
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| Subject: | Re: Flap limit switch |
Heh, heh... those damned limit switches. Seems they're not very rugged. I
searched the archives (Zenith list) and found someone discovered the ones
Zenith supplied with flap actuators are no longer made, but there is a
replacement unit. They're also made by Honeywell, rated at 15 amps. The
replacement is actually a two-parter. The microswitch and the roller/lever
arm. The switch is about $8 and change and the roller/lever is about $11
and change from www.gopherelectronics.com. (There are a million part
numbers for microswitches.) The mounting holes are not of the same pattern
as the old ones. I don't have the part numbers handy but can get them for
you in a couple days if you can't find the post in the archives. The reason
I ordered one is because I want to use two on the down-travel side. If
there is only one, and it fails, and the pilot relies on that switch to shut
off the flap motor at full deflection, the flaperon bellcranks poke holes in
the bottom skin, and you get who knows how many degrees of flaps--maybe
enough to be catastrophic. So I'm using two switches wired in series so if
either one or both work, the circuit is opened. On the up-travel end, there
is a crow-bar terminal to stop any override in case of a failed
microswitch. (Speaking of the -801.)
John
On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 8:36 PM, wade jones <wjones@brazoriainet.com> wrote:
> Hello group ,Thanks for all the good advise I got on the fuel system .I
> have started to assemble the beast and found that one of my limit switches
> on my flap motor is broken .It is not a Zenith supplied item ,I think it
> came of a Bonanza (courtesy of Dave Clay). Does anyone on the list know of a
> source for these . Thanks
> Wade Jones South Texas
> 601XL Franklin 0-235
>
> *
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: New engine mount now ready to ship |
You are trying to get a flame started aren't you? LOL
Question, is a newly designed engine part/mount considered a major
modification requiring a 5 hour test period?
Well I would say if the mount is the same as the one you are replacing and
doesn't change the position of the engine it isn't a major modification but
some would. I guess it would be up to the DAR.
If so, is that test period as restrictive as the Phase 1 so that you have to
do it solo?
Others can answer that better than me but I would say if you revert back to
Phase 1 the same rules would apply as the first Phase 1.
Jeff
Question, is a newly designed engine part/mount considered a major
modification requiring a 5 hour test period?
If so, is that test period as restrictive as the Phase 1 so that you have to
do it solo?
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| Subject: | Re: Flap limit switch |
FWIW From my archives = see below
Tony Graziano
----------------------------
Date:
Sat Jun 14 - 9:00 PM
I HAD THE SAME PROBLEM AND ZENITH SELLS THE SWITCHES FOR ABOUT $60.00.
THEY WEREOUT SO THEY DIRECTED ME TO WAG AREO AND I PAID ABOUT $3.00 FOR
THE SAME BASICSWITCH http://www.wagaero.com/
RE: Flap Actuator microswitch question
From:
Craig Payne (craig@craigandjean.com)
Date:
Fri Jun 13 - 8:25 PM
Back in May of 2007 Bill posted this after someone else broke a switch:
"I just ran into the problem described below. After doing some
research, I discovered that Honeywell has replaced the discontinued
micro switch V3L-3 with micro switch V3-1 and roller leaf assembly JV-5.
I purchased them online at www.gopherelectronics.com for $18.41 each
plus shipping ($8.31 for V3-1 and $10.10 for JV-5). Here is a link to
the data sheet: http://www.n601bz.com/ch601xl/Introduction/v3.pdfMar 04,
2005* *Subject: * *Flap Motor
switchWarning<http://www.matronics.com/searching/getmsg_script.cgi?INDEX=
40432865?KEYS=micro_switch?LISTNAME=Zenith?HITNUMBER=9?SERIAL=084
42026479?SHOWBUTTONS=NO>*Caution: If you are using a Commercial
Aircraft products Flap motor DO NOTbreak one of the up or down roller
limit switches.The V3L-3 Honeywell/Micro switch has been discontinued
and after tryingextensively to locate another switch that will fit the
D145 flap motor I amunableto find one of the right dimensions that will
work on this design.Commercial Aircraft will not sell you one of their
stock. Honeywell will notsell you one of their stock. The authorized
suppliers will sell you one ofthese $5 switches for $50 to $70 dollars
which will be shipped fromHoneywell.An expensive lesson learned about
using loctite and trying to remove thescrew.....P.S. I bought the only
two I could find on the Honeywell dealers inventorylist that were less
than $50 and they were $28 each.Mike SigmanZodiac 601XL N7092N *End
Msg: * *#9 * Re: Electric flap actuator From:
VideoFlyer@aol.com Date: Fri Nov 03 - 8:33 AM Actually, there ARE
limit switches inside the actuator. They are not meant to be
adjustable, but they are....IF you don't mind doing a little soldering.
They are mounted on a plastic rail and are almost infinitely adjustable.
You may need to lengthen (or shorten) a wire, but the limit switch will
just snap into a new position on the rail. It's actually a very simple
operation...but it will probably void any warranty that comes with the
unit. I am using an actuator similar, if not identical to the one
Scott used. It has a 200 lb force stroke....and moves at about 1/3 inch
per second...perfect for flap control. I used a 9 inch actuator
because it was the right length to fit between the two pivot points.
That way I didn't have to fabricate an extension. Then I adjusted the
limit switches so that I am using about the middle 3 inches of travel.
http://www.firgelliauto.com/product_info.php?cPath=75&products_id=2
(I see they're on sale!) Dave Harmsvideoflyer@aol.com601XL/Corvair
For those plans builders who wish to retain the Zenith arrangement
theflap actuator is manufactured by Commercial Aircraft Products in
Wichitapart no D145-00-36-3 and comes complete with micro switches. I
havejust received one which cost $499.90 plus shipping. Best regards
Malcolm Hunt CH601XL Plans Builder in England ----- Original Message
-----
Time: 01:56:09 PM PST US
From: Sigmo@aol.com
Subject: Zenith-List: Flap Motor switch Warning
Caution: If you are using a Commercial Aircraft products Flap motor DO
NOT
break one of the up or down roller limit switches.
The V3L-3 Honeywell/Micro switch has been discontinued and after
trying
extensively to locate another switch that will fit the D145 flap motor
I am
unable
to find one of the right dimensions that will work on this design.
Commercial Aircraft will not sell you one of their stock. Honeywell
will not
sell you one of their stock. The authorized suppliers will sell you
one of
these $5 switches for $50 to $70 dollars which will be shipped from
Honeywell.
An expensive lesson learned about using loctite and trying to remove
the
screw.....
P.S. I bought the only two I could find on the Honeywell dealers
inventory
list that were less than $50 and they were $28 each.
Mike Sigman
Zodiac 601XL N7092N
-------------------
From: wade jones
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 7:36 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Flap limit switch
Hello group ,Thanks for all the good advise I got on the fuel system
.I have started to assemble the beast and found that one of my limit
switches on my flap motor is broken .It is not a Zenith supplied item ,I
think it came of a Bonanza (courtesy of Dave Clay). Does anyone on the
list know of a source for these . Thanks
Wade Jones South Texas
601XL Franklin 0-235
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| Subject: | Re: New engine mount now ready to ship |
Flame, no... I was just leading up to this... (I must admit I am jealous of your
CNC and resin skills)
I heard you have a student pilot certificate and I was wondering how you get all
your Phase 1 product test flights signed off by your CFI or does your CFI fly
with you?
My particular airworthiness paperwork allows a student pilot or higher to fly my
Phase 1 and I want to fly part of the Phase 1 so regardless of the number of
hours flown by my test pilot, I will not have my aircraft endorsed out of phase
1--I am waiting for the U.S. to either issue my ICAO conversion or at the latest,
I turn 16 next June so I can get a U.S. medical then.
However, I can't find a CFI willing to sign me or any student pilot off for a solo
experimental Phase 1 flight. Any advice?
Finally, a question to the group, since my airworthiness paperwork allows a student
pilot to fly Phase 1, would a pre-solo student be allowed to fly phase 1
with their CFI since the CFI would be a necessary crew member in the licensing
as opposed to operational aspect of the flight?
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Gopher electronics V3-1 and JV-5
ge
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[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Swartout
Sent: 06 November, 2008 2:55 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Flap limit switch
Heh, heh... those damned limit switches. Seems they're not very rugged. I
searched the archives (Zenith list) and found someone discovered the ones
Zenith supplied with flap actuators are no longer made, but there is a
replacement unit. They're also made by Honeywell, rated at 15 amps. The
replacement is actually a two-parter. The microswitch and the roller/lever
arm. The switch is about $8 and change and the roller/lever is about $11
and change from www.gopherelectronics.com
<http://www.gopherelectronics.com/> . (There are a million part numbers for
microswitches.) The mounting holes are not of the same pattern as the old
ones. I don't have the part numbers handy but can get them for you in a
couple days if you can't find the post in the archives. The reason I
ordered one is because I want to use two on the down-travel side. If there
is only one, and it fails, and the pilot relies on that switch to shut off
the flap motor at full deflection, the flaperon bellcranks poke holes in the
bottom skin, and you get who knows how many degrees of flaps--maybe enough
to be catastrophic. So I'm using two switches wired in series so if either
one or both work, the circuit is opened. On the up-travel end, there is a
crow-bar terminal to stop any override in case of a failed microswitch.
(Speaking of the -801.)
John
On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 8:36 PM, wade jones <wjones@brazoriainet.com> wrote:
Hello group ,Thanks for all the good advise I got on the fuel system .I have
started to assemble the beast and found that one of my limit switches on my
flap motor is broken .It is not a Zenith supplied item ,I think it came of a
Bonanza (courtesy of Dave Clay). Does anyone on the list know of a source
for these . Thanks
Wade Jones South Texas
601XL Franklin 0-235
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I don't know if it is exactly what you want but there is this "Instructable"
about solo installation of the winds on a 601XL:
http://www.instructables.com/id/Installing-Wings-Solo/
-- Craig
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[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gig Giacona
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 9:37 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Ping: Jon for question about DVDs
Quick question. Do any of the DVDs have the wing mounting process shown,
hopefully in detail?
If so which one.
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W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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In a message dated 11/5/2008 11:54:49 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
chicago2paris@msn.com writes:
Flame, no... I was just leading up to this... (I must admit I am jealous
of your CNC and resin skills)
I heard you have a student pilot certificate and I was wondering how you get
all your Phase 1 product test flights signed off by your CFI or does your
CFI fly with you?
My particular airworthiness paperwork allows a student pilot or higher to
fly my Phase 1 and I want to fly part of the Phase 1 so regardless of the
number of hours flown by my test pilot, I will not have my aircraft endorsed out
of phase 1--I am waiting for the U.S. to either issue my ICAO conversion or at
the latest, I turn 16 next June so I can get a U.S. medical then.
However, I can't find a CFI willing to sign me or any student pilot off for
a solo experimental Phase 1 flight. Any advice?
Finally, a question to the group, since my airworthiness paperwork allows a
student pilot to fly Phase 1, would a pre-solo student be allowed to fly
phase 1 with their CFI since the CFI would be a necessary crew member in the
licensing as opposed to operational aspect of the flight?
Just about everything we have made is CNC but they aren't my skills I just
have ideas for better products and thru countless hours of sketches, e-mail's,
and phone calls the real craftsman send me the finished part for testing. I
would bet you wouldn't believe the first rear unit Aerolite built is on a
601xl with over 70 hours on it and working flawlessly without so much as a single
alteration. Ben and I are adding the new parts to his plane and it will be
flown back to Florida next week. Bill Clapp is testing our rear unit on his KR
and has 25 hours on it and he is very happy with the performance.
The pieces you saw in the picture is sanded foam with a coat of epoxy to
protect the foam from the tooling gel coat as it will melt the foam (Don't ask
me how I know) and ruin the master. I am working on a 2 piece cowl also for
the corvair and everything will be at Sun and Fun next year.
In Jan. I will be in Alabama and will be installing one of our engines in a
750 that will be at Sun and Fun also.
I do have a student lic. and I have soloed a Tomahawk a 150 and a 172 I just
need to take the written and take my check ride and I will be finished but I
am only 40 so I have some time left I hope. right now I am having fun
building and helping others finish there projects.
We have a test pilot that we use that is more experienced to do the first
flights of new parts, I don't as a student do it. Once the hours are flown off
I plop my but in the plane I helped build and we go flying and that's my
paycheck.
jeff
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