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0. 11:23 PM - Reminder (Matt Dralle)
1. 05:56 AM - 601XL Wing Install (jaybannist@cs.com)
2. 06:03 AM - Remote Compass (BobbyPaulk@comcast.net)
3. 06:38 AM - Re: Flap limit switch (Dirk Zahtilla)
4. 07:04 AM - Re: Re: New engine mount now ready to ship (Dirk Zahtilla)
5. 07:10 AM - Re: Re: T-6 Corrosion Resistance (David Brown)
6. 07:20 AM - Re: Re: New engine mount now ready to ship (steve)
7. 07:22 AM - Re: New engine mount now ready to ship (Sabrina)
8. 07:46 AM - Re: New engine mount now ready to ship (Gig Giacona)
9. 07:50 AM - Re: T-6 Corrosion Resistance (Gig Giacona)
10. 08:26 AM - Re: New engine mount now ready to ship (Sabrina)
11. 08:29 AM - Re: Re: New engine mount now ready to ship (LHusky@aol.com)
12. 09:44 AM - Re: New engine mount now ready to ship (Sabrina)
13. 12:10 PM - Re: Re: MS number for the Zenith Sprl Cap O-Ring (Craig Payne)
14. 02:32 PM - Re: Fw: Murdock, Inc. (Gary Gower)
15. 02:32 PM - Re: MS number for the Zenith Sprl Cap O-Ring (Sabrina)
16. 02:35 PM - Re: Murdock, Inc. (John REINKING)
17. 03:20 PM - Re: posting on matronics about corrosion (Bill Naumuk)
18. 03:24 PM - Re: Re: T-6 Corrosion Resistance (Bill Naumuk)
19. 03:27 PM - Re: Fw: Murdock, Inc. (Bill Naumuk)
20. 03:34 PM - Re: Re: Murdock (Bill Naumuk)
21. 03:37 PM - Re: Re: posting on matronics about corrosion (jaybannist@cs.com)
22. 05:32 PM - Re: Carburetor (Roger & Lina Hill)
23. 05:54 PM - Website update (Afterfxllc@aol.com)
24. 06:09 PM - Re: Re: New engine mount now ready to ship (Dirk Zahtilla)
25. 06:33 PM - Re: Re: T-6 Corrosion Resistance (Dirk Zahtilla)
26. 06:49 PM - Re: Re: New engine mount now ready to ship (Ashley)
27. 07:11 PM - Re: Re: New engine mount now ready to ship (LHusky@aol.com)
28. 07:29 PM - Edge Distance At Ends Of Rib Flanges (Dave VanLanen)
29. 08:07 PM - Re: CarburetorCarburetor (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Fran=E7ois_CHAPPERON?=)
30. 08:29 PM - Re: New engine mount now ready to ship (Sabrina)
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Dear Listers,
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| Subject: | 601XL Wing Install |
This is for anyone who might be interested.? It is just the way I did it.
Jay in Dallas
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List,
here is what i did to locate my remote compass.
i had a tough time calibrating ( like off by 90 deg. ) . i found one of my rudder
cables was highly magnetized.
i degaussed it but it still had some residual magnetism.
a good friend and IA told me to get a cheap auto compass from Wally World and slowly
and carefully move it around in the area you want mount the compass. you
will see the heading change as you come near wires ( everything should be on
) and or parts containing iron.
when you find a magnetically neutral spot - that will be an ideal location for
the remote compass.
i must tell you that Dynon was very good to work with. the compass is VERY accurate
and calibrated better than any i have worked with before. most problems are
builder induced as i can vouch for.
Bobby Paulk
N131BP
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| Subject: | Re: Flap limit switch |
There's probably lot's of switches available to do this job, just has to
be PBNC of adequate amperage. My comment is a big HERE HERE to using
double switches in series! This is simple and avoids nasty damage...
Dirk
----- Original Message -----
From: John Swartout
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 7:54 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Flap limit switch
Heh, heh... those damned limit switches. Seems they're not very
rugged. I searched the archives (Zenith list) and found someone
discovered the ones Zenith supplied with flap actuators are no longer
made, but there is a replacement unit. They're also made by Honeywell,
rated at 15 amps. The replacement is actually a two-parter. The
microswitch and the roller/lever arm. The switch is about $8 and change
and the roller/lever is about $11 and change from
www.gopherelectronics.com. (There are a million part numbers for
microswitches.) The mounting holes are not of the same pattern as the
old ones. I don't have the part numbers handy but can get them for you
in a couple days if you can't find the post in the archives. The reason
I ordered one is because I want to use two on the down-travel side. If
there is only one, and it fails, and the pilot relies on that switch to
shut off the flap motor at full deflection, the flaperon bellcranks poke
holes in the bottom skin, and you get who knows how many degrees of
flaps--maybe enough to be catastrophic. So I'm using two switches wired
in series so if either one or both work, the circuit is opened. On the
up-travel end, there is a crow-bar terminal to stop any override in case
of a failed microswitch. (Speaking of the -801.)
John
On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 8:36 PM, wade jones <wjones@brazoriainet.com>
wrote:
Hello group ,Thanks for all the good advise I got on the fuel system
.I have started to assemble the beast and found that one of my limit
switches on my flap motor is broken .It is not a Zenith supplied item ,I
think it came of a Bonanza (courtesy of Dave Clay). Does anyone on the
list know of a source for these . Thanks
Wade Jones South Texas
601XL Franklin 0-235
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| Subject: | Re: New engine mount now ready to ship |
I'm not an expert but it seems to me as a student pilot, when you are
endorsed for solo flight, it is SEL (single engine land) and not airplane
model specific so it's not up to the CFI which plane you fly. Within the
scope of your student rating you can fly all the hours you want, and finish
the test phase, then do the balance of your PPL in your own plane. It is
also legal to have a second test pilot on board to perform tasks you deem a
part of the testing that require a second crew member(like data collection).
It's one of the technicalities that allow an instructor to go with you.
Saying that, I am on my 3rd homebuilt project and would NEVER suggest that a
student pilot do the initial test flights, because of the little bugs that
may show up and be quite scarry. Both of my initial flights were white
nuckle deals and were just issues of minor rigging adjustments needed. So I
forget where you are in this process but generally I'd say get checked out
in the same plane you're building to get comfortable with it's handling and
let someone else do the first 2 or 3 test flights in your plane. After that
you'll have any adjusting of the plane figured out and have a fun and
exciting time doing your testing.
All the best to you,
Dirk
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sabrina" <chicago2paris@msn.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 8:53 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: New engine mount now ready to ship
>
> Flame, no... I was just leading up to this... (I must admit I am jealous
> of your CNC and resin skills)
>
> I heard you have a student pilot certificate and I was wondering how you
> get all your Phase 1 product test flights signed off by your CFI or does
> your CFI fly with you?
>
> My particular airworthiness paperwork allows a student pilot or higher to
> fly my Phase 1 and I want to fly part of the Phase 1 so regardless of the
> number of hours flown by my test pilot, I will not have my aircraft
> endorsed out of phase 1--I am waiting for the U.S. to either issue my ICAO
> conversion or at the latest, I turn 16 next June so I can get a U.S.
> medical then.
>
> However, I can't find a CFI willing to sign me or any student pilot off
> for a solo experimental Phase 1 flight. Any advice?
>
> Finally, a question to the group, since my airworthiness paperwork allows
> a student pilot to fly Phase 1, would a pre-solo student be allowed to fly
> phase 1 with their CFI since the CFI would be a necessary crew member in
> the licensing as opposed to operational aspect of the flight?
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=212638#212638
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: T-6 Corrosion Resistance |
This is interesting, my top rear fuselage skin looked like that also.
Now I am thinking that it came from Zenith like that. I cleaned with
MEK, then precote and Scotchbrite and it came out fine.
Just finished the 40 hrs, took my first passenger Sunday, (my wife).
David
N601EX
Aviation in itself is not inherently dangerous. But to an even greater
degree than the sea, it is terribly unforgiving of any carelessness,
incapacity or neglect.
I had a piece that got damp in the wrapping paper. Top rear fuselage
skin that looked much like that. There was no pitting and it cleaned up
just fine with some stuff I found at Home Depot.
--------
W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | Re: New engine mount now ready to ship |
When a CFI signs off a student to fly, its for a specific make and model of
aircraft. An intelligent instructor will also ok the student for a specific
number of days to solo that aircraft.....
I assume the CFI could sign off for an experimental but the liability would
be tremendous...
And then the insurance would be waaaay off the chart.
The instructor is also responsible for the student when he/she is alone.
Steve Weston
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dirk Zahtilla" <ideaz1@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 8:03 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: New engine mount now ready to ship
>
> I'm not an expert but it seems to me as a student pilot, when you are
> endorsed for solo flight, it is SEL (single engine land) and not airplane
> model specific so it's not up to the CFI which plane you fly. Within the
> scope of your student rating you can fly all the hours you want, and
> finish the test phase, then do the balance of your PPL in your own plane.
> It is also legal to have a second test pilot on board to perform tasks you
> deem a part of the testing that require a second crew member(like data
> collection). It's one of the technicalities that allow an instructor to go
> with you.
>
> Saying that, I am on my 3rd homebuilt project and would NEVER suggest that
> a student pilot do the initial test flights, because of the little bugs
> that may show up and be quite scarry. Both of my initial flights were
> white nuckle deals and were just issues of minor rigging adjustments
> needed. So I forget where you are in this process but generally I'd say
> get checked out in the same plane you're building to get comfortable with
> it's handling and let someone else do the first 2 or 3 test flights in
> your plane. After that you'll have any adjusting of the plane figured out
> and have a fun and exciting time doing your testing.
>
> All the best to you,
> Dirk
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sabrina" <chicago2paris@msn.com>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 8:53 PM
> Subject: Zenith-List: Re: New engine mount now ready to ship
>
>
>>
>> Flame, no... I was just leading up to this... (I must admit I am
>> jealous of your CNC and resin skills)
>>
>> I heard you have a student pilot certificate and I was wondering how you
>> get all your Phase 1 product test flights signed off by your CFI or does
>> your CFI fly with you?
>>
>> My particular airworthiness paperwork allows a student pilot or higher to
>> fly my Phase 1 and I want to fly part of the Phase 1 so regardless of the
>> number of hours flown by my test pilot, I will not have my aircraft
>> endorsed out of phase 1--I am waiting for the U.S. to either issue my
>> ICAO conversion or at the latest, I turn 16 next June so I can get a U.S.
>> medical then.
>>
>> However, I can't find a CFI willing to sign me or any student pilot off
>> for a solo experimental Phase 1 flight. Any advice?
>>
>> Finally, a question to the group, since my airworthiness paperwork allows
>> a student pilot to fly Phase 1, would a pre-solo student be allowed to
>> fly phase 1 with their CFI since the CFI would be a necessary crew member
>> in the licensing as opposed to operational aspect of the flight?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=212638#212638
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: New engine mount now ready to ship |
Off list, I have received a resounding NO to the question of a CFI in flight--although
HE is necessary, I am NOT. That is what I suspected.
Now the other question, for those who have done this, do I the builder sign off
Phase 1 based upon my test pilot's reports or does the pilot himself sign the
log book?
I can find CFIs all over the place willing to solo me , so long as it is not Phase
1, once I get my US medical in June of 2009.
I have a feeling we will have enough information on the airframe by 6/3/09 for
my CFI to make an educated decision.
Good news for my continued test flights... originally the FAA had three proposals
to extend class bravo for OHare, one basically took my test area away, one
had the "Sabrina notch" for KARR and one took just 1/3 of a mile away from my
Eastern edge (which was too populated anyhow.) The later seems to be the one
the FAA is going with. Thank you FAA!
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=212672#212672
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| Subject: | Re: New engine mount now ready to ship |
Sabrina wrote:
>
>
> Good news for my continued test flights... originally the FAA had three proposals
to extend class bravo for OHare, one basically took my test area away, one
had the "Sabrina notch" for KARR and one took just 1/3 of a mile away from my
Eastern edge (which was too populated anyhow.) The later seems to be the
one the FAA is going with. Thank you FAA!
Sabrina,
Keep one thing in mind. With the election of our new President you can expect several
new and ever changing TFRs in the Chicago area. While we won't be surprised
to see you in the news in the future. We don't want to see your plane being
escorted by black helicopters and F-16s.
As far as signing off for the 40 hours I think that would be a very good question
for the EAA.
--------
W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | Re: T-6 Corrosion Resistance |
Just a coincidence. I know how mine got wet (a very small leak during a very heavy
rain) and the only way Zenith is to blame is that they packed that particular
piece at the bottom of the stack.
dbrown(at)avecc.com wrote:
> This is interesting, my top rear fuselage skin looked like that also.
> Now I am thinking that it came from Zenith like that. I cleaned with
> MEK, then precote and Scotchbrite and it came out fine.
> Just finished the 40 hrs, took my first passenger Sunday, (my wife).
>
> David
> N601EX
>
--------
W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | Re: New engine mount now ready to ship |
Good point...
I don't have my charts here at my dorm room, assuming the southern most 3 mile
TFR today is over the presidential home, if you extend it to 30 miles, is any
of KARR's airspace affected?
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| Subject: | Re: New engine mount now ready to ship |
I just checked my log book for my private pilot license. I was checked off
to fly a Cessna 172. I was also told by my instructor that I was to use this
plane only. I do not know if it was for insurance reasons or what, but it
was very specific on the plane and it was for 90 days. Even now that I have
my license, I have to get checked out in any other type of plane that I want
to rent. That I am sure is for insurance reasons.
Larry Husky
Madras, Oregon
In a message dated 11/6/2008 7:05:39 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
ideaz1@sbcglobal.net writes:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dirk Zahtilla" <ideaz1@sbcglobal.net>
I'm not an expert but it seems to me as a student pilot, when you are
endorsed for solo flight, it is SEL (single engine land) and not airplane
model specific so it's not up to the CFI which plane you fly. Within the
scope of your student rating you can fly all the hours you want, and finish
the test phase, then do the balance of your PPL in your own plane. It is
also legal to have a second test pilot on board to perform tasks you deem a
part of the testing that require a second crew member(like data collection).
It's one of the technicalities that allow an instructor to go with you.
Saying that, I am on my 3rd homebuilt project and would NEVER suggest that a
student pilot do the initial test flights, because of the little bugs that
may show up and be quite scarry. Both of my initial flights were white
nuckle deals and were just issues of minor rigging adjustments needed. So I
forget where you are in this process but generally I'd say get checked out
in the same plane you're building to get comfortable with it's handling and
let someone else do the first 2 or 3 test flights in your plane. After that
you'll have any adjusting of the plane figured out and have a fun and
exciting time doing your testing.
All the best to you,
Dirk
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sabrina" <chicago2paris@msn.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 8:53 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: New engine mount now ready to ship
>
> Flame, no... I was just leading up to this... (I must admit I am jealous
> of your CNC and resin skills)
>
> I heard you have a student pilot certificate and I was wondering how you
> get all your Phase 1 product test flights signed off by your CFI or does
> your CFI fly with you?
>
> My particular airworthiness paperwork allows a student pilot or higher to
> fly my Phase 1 and I want to fly part of the Phase 1 so regardless of the
> number of hours flown by my test pilot, I will not have my aircraft
> endorsed out of phase 1--I am waiting for the U.S. to either issue my ICAO
> conversion or at the latest, I turn 16 next June so I can get a U.S.
> medical then.
>
> However, I can't find a CFI willing to sign me or any student pilot off
> for a solo experimental Phase 1 flight. Any advice?
>
> Finally, a question to the group, since my airworthiness paperwork allows
> a student pilot to fly Phase 1, would a pre-solo student be allowed to fly
> phase 1 with their CFI since the CFI would be a necessary crew member in
> the licensing as opposed to operational aspect of the flight?
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=212638#212638
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: New engine mount now ready to ship |
Boy, you guys are good... here is the 30 mile radius airport list I was given:
Chicago Executive, Schaumburg, DuPage, Naper, Brookeridge, Lewis, Joliet, Clow,
Midway, Gary, Frankfort, Lansing, Meadow Creek, Griffith, Hobart, Bult, Porter
Aurora is just outside, so that is good, but WOW!
Off to math, Mandarin and history... thanks...
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| Subject: | Re: MS number for the Zenith Sprl Cap O-Ring |
Just curious - what went wrong with the original o-rings?
-- Craig
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: Murdock, Inc. |
Do they have a Web Page?- Lots of "Murdock, Inc."- in google...
-
Saludos
Gary Gower.
Do not archive.
--- On Tue, 11/4/08, Bill Naumuk <naumuk@alltel.net> wrote:
From: Bill Naumuk <naumuk@alltel.net>
Subject: Zenith-List: Fw: Murdock, Inc.
I forgot to mention that I don't know if they know that we're playing with
aircraft.-'Nuf said.
--- --- --- --- --- --- --- -
-- --- --- --- --- --- --- --
- --- Bill-
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Naumuk
Cc: Corvair engines for homebuilt aircraft
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 8:13 PM
Subject: Murdock, Inc.
All-
--- On the advice of Mark Jones, I ordered some AN fittings from Murd
ock.They, or their sister company Adaptors, Inc. have all those fittings yo
u've been tearing your hair out to find. ACS and Wick's don't have 50% the
selection!---
--- Customer service is outstanding. I screwed up on my first order (
I know none of you have ever done that) and an RMA was immediately issued,
with shipping credit!!
--- I'm a VERY happy camper, and highly recommend these people.
--- Every once in a while even a blind pig finds a truffle!---
Bill Naumuk
Townville, Pa.
HDS 601MG/Corvair 95%
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| Subject: | Re: MS number for the Zenith Sprl Cap O-Ring |
"Just curious - what went wrong with the original o-rings?"
Craig,
My aircraft has been sitting outside for 12 months now at KARR. The Viton o ring
is rated at -8C where as Nitrile is rated at -25C. (Viton can withstand +204
C compared to +121C but what good is that for a fuel cap seal.)
At KARR, we can easily get below -8C several times a year. The Viton is twice
as hard and has only 60% of the tensile strength. So too, it is 10X the price.
I decided to switch to Nitrile o rings after last Fridays flight. On take off,
beyond the go/no go point on 18 (a short runway, 9/27 is closed) the sealing
lever of the right cap popped upthe plane was just refueled and the o ring must
have not seated properly. Immediately the fuel pressure dropped on the right
pump and the Dynon sounded an alarmapparently the Facet pump could not overcome
the draw out of the tank. This was the first alarm during 10 months of
test flights. The tower noticed the contrail and asked if assistance was required.
In just one left circuit two gallons were sucked out. The cap remained
in place but not sealed. The pilot turned off the external lighting, informed
the tower he had one good tank and pump and landed without incident. My pilot
was surprised that the overflow tube/vent did not prevent the fuel from being
sucked outit probably helped but was not large enough. Upon ground inspection,
the overflow vent was clear and the o-ring was loose compared to the o-ring
on the left tank cap. The viton o-rings will be replaced tomorrow.
An engineer who was kind enough to review the problem said I would have been better
off loosing the entire cap, with such a large opening the fuel would not
have been sucked out as easily as it was with a slightly raised seal. I don't
know if he is correct, but I have heard stories of C150s taking off and hearing
a clang, clang for a while before the fuel cap rips off. They seem to have
made it to their destination unaware.
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| Subject: | Re: Murdock, Inc. |
http://www.murdockindustrial.com/
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| Subject: | Re: posting on matronics about corrosion |
Ben-
Will do.The interesting thing is, the finished wings are still in
the same basement with no corrosion- they're visible in the pictures I
posted. The only problem I've ever had was with the stuff that came with
the kit. Can the paper make that much of a difference?
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: Benjamin Church
To: naumuk@alltel.net
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 9:22 PM
Subject: posting on matronics about corrosion
Howdy Bill,
Saw your posting on the Zenith list
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=50611
I was wondering if you might have a piece of that corroded aluminum
left over. If you do, would you be willing to cut a piece of the
worst-looking stuff and send it to me? Something the size of a business
card or so would be plenty. If you send me some, I'll take it to work
and do some analysis that might tell you what caused the corrosion. I'd
be able to tell if it was biological, humidity, or caused by something
else. I'm a materials engineer and so I have access to all kinds of
analysis equipment at work. No guarantee I'll find a solid answer, but
my time and effort is free so all you have to loose is a piece of
corroded aluminum!
I'm storing some parts in my basement, some in the living room, and
some in the garage. I've been curious about corrosion during storage
and so you're problem could provide some good evidence.
Let me know.
Regards,
Ben Church
CH801 - working on the wings
507 Melvin Ave
Racine, WI 53402
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| Subject: | Re: T-6 Corrosion Resistance |
Dave-
MEK, eh? I tried everything under the sun but that, including to try to
polish it out with Nuvite with no luck.
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Brown" <dbrown@avecc.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 10:10 AM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: T-6 Corrosion Resistance
This is interesting, my top rear fuselage skin looked like that also.
Now I am thinking that it came from Zenith like that. I cleaned with
MEK, then precote and Scotchbrite and it came out fine.
Just finished the 40 hrs, took my first passenger Sunday, (my wife).
David
N601EX
Aviation in itself is not inherently dangerous. But to an even greater
degree than the sea, it is terribly unforgiving of any carelessness,
incapacity or neglect.
I had a piece that got damp in the wrapping paper. Top rear fuselage
skin that looked much like that. There was no pitting and it cleaned up
just fine with some stuff I found at Home Depot.
--------
W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: Murdock, Inc. |
Gary-
http://www.murdockindustrial.com/
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: Gary Gower
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 5:30 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Fw: Murdock, Inc.
Do they have a Web Page? Lots of "Murdock, Inc." in google...
Saludos
Gary Gower.
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--- On Tue, 11/4/08, Bill Naumuk <naumuk@alltel.net> wrote:
From: Bill Naumuk <naumuk@alltel.net>
Subject: Zenith-List: Fw: Murdock, Inc.
To: "zenith list" <zenith-list@matronics.com>
Date: Tuesday, November 4, 2008, 8:15 PM
I forgot to mention that I don't know if they know that we're
playing with aircraft. 'Nuf said.
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Naumuk
To: zenith list
Cc: Corvair engines for homebuilt aircraft
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 8:13 PM
Subject: Murdock, Inc.
All-
On the advice of Mark Jones, I ordered some AN fittings
from Murdock.They, or their sister company Adaptors, Inc. have all those
fittings you've been tearing your hair out to find. ACS and Wick's don't
have 50% the selection!
Customer service is outstanding. I screwed up on my first
order (I know none of you have ever done that) and an RMA was
immediately issued, with shipping credit!!
I'm a VERY happy camper, and highly recommend these
people.
Every once in a while even a blind pig finds a truffle!
Bill Naumuk
Townville, Pa.
HDS 601MG/Corvair 95%
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Dan-
I kan't believe I spelt adaptars wrong!
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: "leinad" <leinad@hughes.net>
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 8:17 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Murdock
>
> Hey Bill,
> I think the URL is:
> http://adaptersinc.com/
> Thanks for the post.
> Dan
>
>
> [quote="naumuk(at)alltel.net"]All-
> For those asking about the other fittings available from Murdock I
> spoke of, you have to contact their sister company, www.Adaptorsinc.com
> (http://www.Adaptorsinc.com)
> Bill Naumuk
> Townville, Pa.
> HDS 601MG/Corvair 95%
>
>> [b]
>
>
> --------
> Scratch building XL with Corvair Engine
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=212601#212601
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| Subject: | Re: posting on matronics about corrosion |
Bill, Yes, it can and does make a difference.
Jay in Dallas
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-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Naumuk <naumuk@alltel.net>
Sent: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 5:20 pm
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: posting on matronics about corrosion
Ben-
??? Will do.The interesting thing
is, the finished wings are still in the same basement with no corrosion- they're
visible in the pictures?I posted.?The only problem I've ever had was
with the stuff that came with the kit. Can the paper make that much of a
difference?
??? ???
??? ??? ??? ???
??? ??? ??? ???
??? ??? ??? Bill
----- Original Message -----
From:
Benjamin
Church
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 9:22
PM
Subject: posting on matronics about
corrosion
Howdy Bill,
Saw your posting on the Zenith list???
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=50611
I
was wondering if you might have a piece of that corroded aluminum left
over.? If you do, would you be willing to cut a piece of the
worst-looking stuff and send it to me?? Something the size of a business
card or so would be plenty.? If you send me some, I'll take it to work
and do some analysis that might tell you what caused the corrosion.? I'd
be able to tell if it was biological, humidity, or caused by something
else.? I'm a materials engineer and so I have access to all kinds of
analysis equipment at work.? No guarantee I'll find a solid answer, but
my time and effort is free so all you have to loose is a piece of corroded
aluminum!?
I'm storing some parts in my basement, some in the
living room, and some in the garage.? I've been curious about corrosion
during storage and so you're problem could provide some good
evidence.
Let me know.
Regards,
Ben Church
CH801 - working
on the wings
507 Melvin Ave
Racine, WI
53402
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Bobby;
Contact Bing, they have a manual that will help you tune the carb and pick
replacement jets.
Roger
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Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 3:02 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Carburetor
Hello Bobby:
Although I am FAR from an expert on Bing CV (constant velocity) carbs, i can
attempt to explain the theory of what is happening....
At idle you are running exclusively through the idle circuit. As you crack
open the throttle, there are transition circuits that come into play. When
you get to 1500 you are running "on the needle" that sticks through the main
jet, efffectively closing off the size of the main jet fuel flow until the
needle retracts....from 3/4 throttle to wide open you're on the main jet
only.
Transition circuit problems are very difficult to diagnose. Sounds like you
are running very rich through this circuit. I would recommend a note to
Jabiru USA - Pete knows these things better than anyone. The other source
of information is "The Carb Doctor"
http://www.bingcarburetor.com/
who is the official importer of Bing carbs and parts here in the USA. The
manual is worth every penny. It's been a long time since I had to access
this info, but every owner of an old BMW "airhead" motorcycle has had to
deal with these carbs at least once !!
After some thought...check your float height. If it is set too high that
would cause a rich running engine.....
Good Luck
Tracy Smith
N458XL reserved
610XL
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Time: 12:16:34 PM PST US
From: BobbyPaulk@comcast.net
Subject: Zenith-List: Carburetor
List,
my 3300 Jab idles fairly good at 800 ~ 900 Rpm when i crack the throttle off
idle at about 1050 to 1300 it will puff black smoke. at 1500 rpm it will
smooth
out.
has any one changed jets or needle to fix the idle and low end mixture.
i think if i change the needle jet to a smaller size then it would run too
lean
at cruise.
this would call for a change in needle configuration.
i gotta do something. any help would be appreciated.
bobby
N131BP
601 XL
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I finished uploading all the pics of the engine mount to the website.
_http://aeroliteproducts.com/Motor_Mount.php_
(http://aeroliteproducts.com/Motor_Mount.php)
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| Subject: | Re: New engine mount now ready to ship |
OK, I just checked the regs and found: You need a endorsement for each
make and model of airplane you intend to solo in. Meaning you need to
find a rental to get checked out in, then you can fly your own plane of
the same make and model.
The checkout is a one time deal and your student cert. lasts for 2 years
(should be enough time to do 40 hrs.)You can also get a new medical/
student cert. after 2 years and the original checkout is still valid.
There is no 90 day rule.
I wasn't sure about the checkrides cuz I flew 4 different models of
plane during my solo phase, but I did get checked out in (don't tell, 3
of them). Anyway once you get your private or sport the checkrides are
only for rental purposes to satisfy insurance requirements, you are
licensed for any plane in the category of your license.
Dirk
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| Subject: | Re: T-6 Corrosion Resistance |
Aluminum oxide will disolve almost instantly with Lye. It will also remove
anodizing which is a form of aluminum oxide.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Naumuk" <naumuk@alltel.net>
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 3:24 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: T-6 Corrosion Resistance
>
> Dave-
> MEK, eh? I tried everything under the sun but that, including to try to
> polish it out with Nuvite with no luck.
> Bill
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Brown" <dbrown@avecc.com>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 10:10 AM
> Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: T-6 Corrosion Resistance
>
>
> This is interesting, my top rear fuselage skin looked like that also.
> Now I am thinking that it came from Zenith like that. I cleaned with
> MEK, then precote and Scotchbrite and it came out fine.
> Just finished the 40 hrs, took my first passenger Sunday, (my wife).
>
> David
> N601EX
>
>
> Aviation in itself is not inherently dangerous. But to an even greater
> degree than the sea, it is terribly unforgiving of any carelessness,
> incapacity or neglect.
>
>
> I had a piece that got damp in the wrapping paper. Top rear fuselage
> skin that looked much like that. There was no pitting and it cleaned up
> just fine with some stuff I found at Home Depot.
>
> --------
> W.R. "Gig" Giacona
> 601XL Under Construction
> See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=212590#212590
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: New engine mount now ready to ship |
Dirk,
Nice try but you stopped reading one paragraph too soon.
(2) An endorsement in the student's logbook for the specific make and
model aircraft to be flown by an authorized instructor, who gave the
training within the 90 days preceding the date of the flight.
Floyd Wilkes
601XL )-200
----- Original Message -----
From: Dirk Zahtilla
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 8:08 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: New engine mount now ready to ship
OK, I just checked the regs and found: You need a endorsement for each
make and model of airplane you intend to solo in. Meaning you need to
find a rental to get checked out in, then you can fly your own plane of
the same make and model.
The checkout is a one time deal and your student cert. lasts for 2
years (should be enough time to do 40 hrs.)You can also get a new
medical/ student cert. after 2 years and the original checkout is still
valid. There is no 90 day rule.
I wasn't sure about the checkrides cuz I flew 4 different models of
plane during my solo phase, but I did get checked out in (don't tell, 3
of them). Anyway once you get your private or sport the checkrides are
only for rental purposes to satisfy insurance requirements, you are
licensed for any plane in the category of your license.
Dirk
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| Subject: | Re: New engine mount now ready to ship |
That is what my instructor told me. He had to sign my book for another 90
days. Now that I have my license, the rental aircraft owners around here
require that I make 3 take off and landings for insurance reasons, within 90
days, or I will have to be checked out again by an instructor. Not a requirement
for the FAA but for insurance.
Larry Husky
Madras, Oregon
In a message dated 11/6/2008 6:50:32 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
ashleyw@gvtc.com writes:
Dirk,
Nice try but you stopped reading one paragraph too soon.
(2) An endorsement in the student's logbook for the specific make and model
aircraft to be flown by an authorized instructor, who gave the training
within the 90 days preceding the date of the flight.
Floyd Wilkes
601XL )-200
----- Original Message -----
From: _Dirk Zahtilla_ (mailto:ideaz1@sbcglobal.net)
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 8:08 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: New engine mount now ready to ship
OK, I just checked the regs and found: You need a endorsement for each make
and model of airplane you intend to solo in. Meaning you need to find a
rental to get checked out in, then you can fly your own plane of the same make
and
model.
The checkout is a one time deal and your student cert. lasts for 2 years
(should be enough time to do 40 hrs.)You can also get a new medical/ student
cert. after 2 years and the original checkout is still valid. There is no 90 day
rule.
I wasn't sure about the checkrides cuz I flew 4 different models of plane
during my solo phase, but I did get checked out in (don't tell, 3 of them).
Anyway once you get your private or sport the checkrides are only for rental
purposes to satisfy insurance requirements, you are licensed for any plane in
the category of your license.
Dirk
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| Subject: | Edge Distance At Ends Of Rib Flanges |
I don't want to ask ZAC too many questions, so I'll try the list on this
question. I am laying out the rivet lines for my 601XL ailerons. The rivet
line through the top skin into the front skin flange and top rib flanges is
positioned at 10mm from the front of the skin (midway on the 20mm front
flange). According to my measurements, these rivets will not meet the
minimum edge distance requirements from the front of the rib flanges,
because the way the ribs are manufactured, there is about a 4mm to 5mm gap
between the front rib flange and the start of the top flange. So with the
thickness of the front skin figured in, my edge distance from the front edge
of the rib flanges will only be about 4mm. I can't come up with a way to
meet the minimum - all I could do is add another rivet, but the plans just
show a normal pitch 40 on the remaining rivets. Does anyone know if this is
an issue, or is it acceptable for this particular edge distance not to meet
the minimum? I know when I built my stabilizer, there was a specific note
that said I did not need to worry about this end-of-rib-flange edge
distance, but I don't want to assume that it applies in all cases. Any help
would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Dave Van Lanen
601XL - tail done, working on wings
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| Subject: | Re: CarburetorCarburetor |
I quiet know well his type of carburetor , as they are equipping my
rotax
912. And jabiru=92s motors
In the past, on the 2200 jab of a friend , we were confronted to the
same
problem you talk about.
As you said Tracy, problem was coming from the position of the floats.
When you hold the carburetor upside down, the level of the float must be
absolutely parallel to the edge of the carburetor .
You can correct this easily by bending smoothly the little piece of
metal
that will control needle movement.
If your motor is brand new, check also if your needle is really clean ..
we
also have had problems with extra small parts of rubber coming from fuel
hooses,
Stuck by temperature and impeaching good movements . No way to see it
at
first sight .. and too small parts for the filter =85!
Good luck !
Francois
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| Subject: | Re: New engine mount now ready to ship |
I have been flying 5 years and 10 months now. And let me tell you, the flight
instructors in Canada let you fly, especially when it is your equipment and not
theirs. You actually have full spin training (three revolutions before they
give you the controls) and off field emergency landing practice (wheels touching
the grass) before any solo. Since I already soloed on my 14th birthday 13
hours before my birth hour, I really see no need to solo on my 16th birthday.
My medical examiner for Canada lives in Florida, he can also issue U.S medicals.
I figure I will go to Disney World for free on my birthday and get my
medical the next day.
A sponsor has suggested that I fly their Inspiration 2 for CNN but Juan was complaining
about it vibrating and a terrible rate of climb: "400 fpm on the 0-200
at 70 mph climb out, versus 3300 went up at 1100 fpm at 70 mph with two aboard
at climb out. much less vibration than the 0-200"
So too, others have suggested I solo in an RV-12 as part of a movie a cool NYC
producer is putting together about homebuilding--as you may have heard, part of
the movie was filmed at Air Venture 2008.
The great thing about both Zenith and RV is they are both supportive of whichever
decision I make--they both want what is best for me. Really cool.
My aircraft with an O-200a has less vibration than any 3300 my test pilot has flown
and nearly triple I2's 400 fpm climb rate even at 1300 pounds on a hot, humid
August day.
To please both ZENITH and RV, I might just wait until I get back to Chicago in
mid-June, get my driver's license first, drive to the airport, sign the SABRINA
out of Phase 1, complete a CFI check ride, get the required signature and solo
with no cameras, no nothing. (OK, maybe an on-board camera.)
You guys are the best... I would not be where I am without all of you.
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