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1. 07:21 AM - Remote compass location (Bill Naumuk)
2. 08:36 AM - Re: Remote compass location (LarryMcFarland)
3. 08:37 AM - Chat Room Reminder For "Digesters" (George Race)
4. 09:34 AM - Re: Remote compass location (Bill Naumuk)
5. 09:43 AM - Timing Light Question (leinad)
6. 11:37 AM - Re: Remote compass location (Bryan Martin)
7. 01:07 PM - Re: Timing Light Question (n801bh@netzero.com)
8. 03:54 PM - Where is Mike? (Bill Morelli)
9. 04:42 PM - Re: Remote compass location (Jerry Latimer)
10. 05:38 PM - 750 builders (KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP)
11. 05:53 PM - Re: Timing Light Question (leinad)
12. 06:06 PM - Diodes (Ken)
13. 06:06 PM - Re: 750 builders (gburdett)
14. 06:07 PM - Re: Remote compass location (KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP)
15. 06:37 PM - Re: Remote compass location (Afterfxllc@aol.com)
16. 06:38 PM - Re: Remote compass location (Bill Naumuk)
17. 07:02 PM - Re: Remote compass location ()
18. 07:42 PM - Re: Diodes (SABorns@aol.com)
19. 08:06 PM - Re: Diodes (SABorns@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Remote compass location |
All-
The stock firewall on an HDS is galvanized and I just tried the
compass test. Not with a Wal-Mart cheapie, but with an AirPath whiskey
compass I picked up from Barnstormers. I know I can't locate the remote
compass on the radio tray because the needle deflects 30+ degrees to the
firewall. I think I'm OK with aft of the pilot's seat as close to the
cockpit side skin as possible.
Of course, there is an upside to all this. If an examiner asks why I
don't have a whiskey compass, I can truthfully say that it would always
point to the firewall, and I already know where that is.
HDS people- how did you deal with this?? Larry, you don't have to
answer because I know you made your firewall out of stainless.
Bill Naumuk
Townville, Pa.
HDS 601MG/Corvair 95%
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| Subject: | Re: Remote compass location |
Hi Bill,
Your compass should be adjustable to cancel near magnetic influence to a
lesser degree. My stick would influence the compass in full forward
position, but
I was able to adjust to correct the N S E W compass readings regardless
of where the stick was positioned. Perhaps you might be able to also.
Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
Bill Naumuk wrote:
> All-
> The stock firewall on an HDS is galvanized and I just tried the
> compass test. Not with a Wal-Mart cheapie, but with an AirPath whiskey
> compass I picked up from Barnstormers. I know I can't locate the
> remote compass on the radio tray because the needle deflects 30+
> degrees to the firewall. I think I'm OK with aft of the pilot's seat
> as close to the cockpit side skin as possible.
> Of course, there is an upside to all this. If an examiner asks why
> I don't have a whiskey compass, I can truthfully say that it would
> always point to the firewall, and I already know where that is.
> HDS people- how did you deal with this?? Larry, you don't have to
> answer because I know you made your firewall out of stainless.
> Bill Naumuk
> Townville, Pa.
> HDS 601MG/Corvair 95%
> *
> *
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| Subject: | Re: Remote compass location |
Larry-
That takes care of the whiskey compass, but not the D-100 remote.
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: "LarryMcFarland" <larry@macsmachine.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 11:35 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Remote compass location
>
> Hi Bill,
> Your compass should be adjustable to cancel near magnetic influence to a
> lesser degree. My stick would influence the compass in full forward
> position, but
> I was able to adjust to correct the N S E W compass readings regardless
> of where the stick was positioned. Perhaps you might be able to also.
>
> Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
>
> Bill Naumuk wrote:
>> All-
>> The stock firewall on an HDS is galvanized and I just tried the
>> compass test. Not with a Wal-Mart cheapie, but with an AirPath whiskey
>> compass I picked up from Barnstormers. I know I can't locate the
>> remote compass on the radio tray because the needle deflects 30+
>> degrees to the firewall. I think I'm OK with aft of the pilot's seat
>> as close to the cockpit side skin as possible.
>> Of course, there is an upside to all this. If an examiner asks why
>> I don't have a whiskey compass, I can truthfully say that it would
>> always point to the firewall, and I already know where that is.
>> HDS people- how did you deal with this?? Larry, you don't have to
>> answer because I know you made your firewall out of stainless.
>> Bill Naumuk
>> Townville, Pa.
>> HDS 601MG/Corvair 95%
>> *
>> *
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| Subject: | Timing Light Question |
I'm using an INOVA Tach Advance Digital Timing Light and it is acting very eratic.
It's the type that has a lead that clamps around the #1 spark plug wire (induction
lead). So far I haven't been able to look at the timing except at idle.
At idle it looks like it's working OK, showing an advance of a few degrees
and an RPM of 750, but as soon as I rev it up the RPMs jump all over the place
and I loose the timing mark. I'm using Moroso Super Blue plug wires and have
wondered if that's the problem. Perhaps it isn't able to pick the induction
through the shielding in the wire. Any ideas?
Dan Dempsey
601XL /Corvair
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| Subject: | Re: Remote compass location |
That's why my compass is hanging from the canopy, it's the only place
I could find where I could get it to swing properly. I couldn't get my
$150 Hamilton vertical card compass to work anywhere near the panel
and it was too big to hang from the canopy. The $10 Airguide compass I
bought at Meijer was small and light enough to mount up there and I
was able to adjust the compensators for an accurate swing, so I sold
the Hamilton and kept the Airguide.
On Nov 9, 2008, at 10:21 AM, Bill Naumuk wrote:
> All-
> The stock firewall on an HDS is galvanized and I just tried the
> compass test. Not with a Wal-Mart cheapie, but with an AirPath
> whiskey compass I picked up from Barnstormers. I know I can't locate
> the remote compass on the radio tray because the needle deflects 30+
> degrees to the firewall. I think I'm OK with aft of the pilot's seat
> as close to the cockpit side skin as possible.
> Of course, there is an upside to all this. If an examiner asks
> why I don't have a whiskey compass, I can truthfully say that it
> would always point to the firewall, and I already know where that is.
> HDS people- how did you deal with this?? Larry, you don't have
> to answer because I know you made your firewall out of stainless.
> Bill Naumuk
> Townville, Pa.
> HDS 601MG/Corvair 95%
>
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N61BM, CH 601 XL,
RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.
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| Subject: | Re: Timing Light Question |
I am using the same ignition wires. No problem timing my motor. On the t
iming light the pick up that clamps around the #1 wire is very polarity
sensitive. there should be a decal showing plug side, by reversing this
the light usually gives an erratic reading. Also if your ignition is a l
ost spark set up the timing light might be seeing double pulses... let u
s know what it takes to get a reliable reading...
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Ben Haas
N801BH
www.haaspowerair.com
-- "leinad" <leinad@hughes.net> wrote:
I'm using an INOVA Tach Advance Digital Timing Light and it is acting ve
ry eratic. It's the type that has a lead that clamps around the #1 spar
k plug wire (induction lead). So far I haven't been able to look at the
timing except at idle. At idle it looks like it's working OK, showing
an advance of a few degrees and an RPM of 750, but as soon as I rev it u
p the RPMs jump all over the place and I loose the timing mark. I'm usi
ng Moroso Super Blue plug wires and have wondered if that's the problem.
Perhaps it isn't able to pick the induction through the shielding in t
he wire. Any ideas?
Dan Dempsey
601XL /Corvair
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I'm trying to contact Mike Fothergill with a question about his 601HDS - The e-mail
I have for him is not working - mfothergill@simpatico.ca
Mike are you still on the list?
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Thanks,
Bill
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| Subject: | Remote compass location |
Bill,
I haven't tried that yet. I will go out and take my compass and see how it
reacts to the firewall. I'm almost at that step also.
Jerry
HDS 912
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Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 8:21 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Remote compass location
All-
The stock firewall on an HDS is galvanized and I just tried the compass
test. Not with a Wal-Mart cheapie, but with an AirPath whiskey compass I
picked up from Barnstormers. I know I can't locate the remote compass on the
radio tray because the needle deflects 30+ degrees to the firewall. I think
I'm OK with aft of the pilot's seat as close to the cockpit side skin as
possible.
Of course, there is an upside to all this. If an examiner asks why I
don't have a whiskey compass, I can truthfully say that it would always
point to the firewall, and I already know where that is.
HDS people- how did you deal with this?? Larry, you don't have to answer
because I know you made your firewall out of stainless.
Bill Naumuk
Townville, Pa.
HDS 601MG/Corvair 95%
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Any 750 builders or those who have purchased this plane able to visit via t
he telephone? I have a few questions before placing an order...
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Thanks
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| Subject: | Re: Timing Light Question |
Ben,
Thanks a million. I just got through rereading my instruction booklet and it doesn't
mention the polarity. I also just looked closer at the induction pickup
and sure enough there's a little arrow with the word "plug" engraved on the
pickup (hard to see). There's even a trouble shooting section that fails to
mention it. I'm sure that's it. I had already eliminated the blue plug wire
theory by taking one of the old original wires and running it to the #1 plug,
and it behaved the same way. Again, thanks.. You're the man!
Dan Dempsey
601XL/Corvair Plans build
>
> [quote="n801bh(at)netzero.com"]I am using the same ignition wires. No problem
timing my motor. On the timing light the pick up that clamps around the #1 wire
is very polarity sensitive. there should be a decal showing plug side, by reversing
this the light usually gives an erratic reading. Also if your ignition
is a lost spark set up the timing light might be seeing double pulses.. let
us know what it takes to get a reliable reading...
> do not archive
>
>
> Ben Haas
> N801BH
> www.haaspowerair.com
>
> -- "leinad" wrote:
>
> I'm using an INOVA Tach Advance Digital Timing Light and it is acting very eratic.
It's the type that has a lead that clamps around the #1 spark plug wire
(induction lead). So far I haven't been able to look at the timing except at
idle. At idle it looks like it's working OK, showing an advance of a few degrees
and an RPM of 750, but as soon as I rev it up the RPMs jump all over the
place and I loose the timing mark. I'm using Moroso Super Blue plug wires and
have wondered if that's the problem. Perhaps it isn't able to pick the induction
through the shielding in the wire. Any ideas?
> Dan Dempsey
> 601XL /Corvair
>
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I have an electric primer valve. Do I need to put a diode across it to protect
the system from the induced voltage spikes? Also I am using a Sky-Tec starter
on a Lycoming O-235. As you know they can be used in either mode. You can
use the electric solenoid on the starter or you can leave it jumpered and use
a solenoid on the firewall. I'm going the firewall solenoid route so that the
starter cable is only carrying voltage while cranking. Do I need to put a diode
on the starter or just on the firewall solenoid or both?
Thanks in advance
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| Subject: | Re: 750 builders |
You may want to post at the ch750 site as there are several builders starting to
work . Others are waiting to receive kits.
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| Subject: | Remote compass location |
Gentlemen
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I am sure you are aware of the film you can wrap around the compass to prev
ent any metal or electrical interference when installing a compass....right
?- Maybe I am missing something here.... please correct me not wanting to
intrude on your conversations..
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KM Heide
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--- On Sun, 11/9/08, Jerry Latimer <jlatimer1@cox.net> wrote:
From: Jerry Latimer <jlatimer1@cox.net>
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Remote compass location
Bill,
I haven't tried that yet.- I will go out and take my compass and see how
it reacts to the firewall.- I'm almost at that step also.
Jerry
HDS 912
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-serv
er@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Naumuk
Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 8:21 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Remote compass location
All-
--- The stock firewall on an HDS is galvanized and I just tried the c
ompass test. Not with a Wal-Mart cheapie, but with-an AirPath whiskey com
pass I picked up from Barnstormers. I know I can't locate the remote compas
s on the radio tray because the needle-deflects 30+ degrees-to the fire
wall. I think I'm OK with aft of the pilot's seat as close to the cockpit s
ide skin as possible.
--- Of course, there is an upside to all this. If an examiner asks wh
y I don't have a whiskey compass, I can truthfully say that it would always
point to the firewall, and I already know where that is.
--- HDS people- how did you deal with this?? Larry, you don't have to
answer because I know you made your firewall out of stainless.
Bill Naumuk
Townville, Pa.
HDS 601MG/Corvair 95%
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| Subject: | Re: Remote compass location |
Before I put the remote compass where I did I spoke to dynon about it and he
said it isn't as sensitive as most think and the fact that I placed 2 of them
within 12 inches of the fire wall and haven't had any problems quantify's
that. If I had had problems with them I certainly wouldn't be building my 3rd
and 4th panel that way.
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| Subject: | Re: Remote compass location |
Jerry-
My workspace is really crowded, so I don't know how much deviation
I'm getting from things like my furnace, etc. I really hope I can get by
with behind the pilot seat, because that would be the easiest other than
the radio tray. THAT I know isn't viable. Do you have the OEM galvanized
firewall? I actually increased the thickness of mine.
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: Jerry Latimer
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 7:42 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Remote compass location
Bill,
I haven't tried that yet. I will go out and take my compass and see
how it reacts to the firewall. I'm almost at that step also.
Jerry
HDS 912
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[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Naumuk
Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 8:21 AM
To: zenith list
Subject: Zenith-List: Remote compass location
All-
The stock firewall on an HDS is galvanized and I just tried the
compass test. Not with a Wal-Mart cheapie, but with an AirPath whiskey
compass I picked up from Barnstormers. I know I can't locate the remote
compass on the radio tray because the needle deflects 30+ degrees to the
firewall. I think I'm OK with aft of the pilot's seat as close to the
cockpit side skin as possible.
Of course, there is an upside to all this. If an examiner asks why
I don't have a whiskey compass, I can truthfully say that it would
always point to the firewall, and I already know where that is.
HDS people- how did you deal with this?? Larry, you don't have to
answer because I know you made your firewall out of stainless.
Bill Naumuk
Townville, Pa.
HDS 601MG/Corvair 95%
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| Subject: | Re: Remote compass location |
---- Bill Naumuk <naumuk@alltel.net> wrote:
> Jerry-
> My workspace is really crowded, so I don't know how much deviation I'm getting
from things like my furnace, etc. I really hope I can get by with behind
the pilot seat, because that would be the easiest other than the radio tray.
THAT I know isn't viable. Do you have the OEM galvanized firewall? I actually
increased the thickness of mine.
> Bill
>
I just went outside and placed by compass next to the firewall. As I moved it
away from the firewall I got about a 15 degree deviation. There was no more deviation
by the time I got the compass on the firewall side of the instrument
panel. The compass actually stopped deviating about half way between the firewall
and the instrument panel.
I do have the origanal galvanized firewall. I've also been using an magnetic trouble
light attached to firewall while working on the motor wiring. I won't
do that anymore.
Jerry
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Check out Aircraft Spruce item 11-05727. This is the Transorb used by MGL
electronics to protect the avionics bus from transient voltages. You might also
put diodes across the coils of your master and starter solenoid (cathode
(banded end) to +, anode to ground). For more information on spike protection
google
"Transorb".
Steven Bornstein
475 E. North Broadway
Columbus, Ohio 43214
614 263-5819
In a message dated 11/9/2008 9:07:24 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
hror1@pld.com writes:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ken" <hror1@pld.com>
I have an electric primer valve. Do I need to put a diode across it to
protect the system from the induced voltage spikes? Also I am using a Sky-Tec
starter on a Lycoming O-235. As you know they can be used in either mode.
You can use the electric solenoid on the starter or you can leave it jumpered
and use a solenoid on the firewall. I'm going the firewall solenoid route so
that the starter cable is only carrying voltage while cranking. Do I need
to put a diode on the starter or just on the firewall solenoid or both?
Thanks in advance
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Just did some checking on part numbers. MGL and Aircraft Spruce get $6.00
for a transorb. You can obtain the same part from Mouser Electronics for less
than a dollar. Search P/N 1.5KE33 or IN6284A.
Steven Bornstein
475 E. North Broadway
Columbus, Ohio 43214
614 263-5819
In a message dated 11/9/2008 9:07:24 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
hror1@pld.com writes:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ken" <hror1@pld.com>
I have an electric primer valve. Do I need to put a diode across it to
protect the system from the induced voltage spikes? Also I am using a Sky-Tec
starter on a Lycoming O-235. As you know they can be used in either mode.
You can use the electric solenoid on the starter or you can leave it jumpered
and use a solenoid on the firewall. I'm going the firewall solenoid route so
that the starter cable is only carrying voltage while cranking. Do I need
to put a diode on the starter or just on the firewall solenoid or both?
Thanks in advance
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