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0. 12:48 AM - What's My Contribution Used For? (Matt Dralle)
1. 06:32 AM - Re: Timing Light Question (leinad)
2. 09:04 AM - Re: Heavy engine and Horiz. stab (Grant Corriveau) (Chuck Deiterich)
3. 12:16 PM - Re: Re: Heavy engine and Horiz. stab (Grant Corriveau) (Roger & Lina Hill)
4. 12:35 PM - Re: Re: Heavy engine and Horiz. stab (Grant Corriveau) (Bill Pagan)
5. 01:04 PM - Flap Switch Wiring (Bill Pagan)
6. 01:06 PM - Re: 601XL - Aileron Trim Tab Deflection (Dave VanLanen)
7. 01:23 PM - Re: Flap Switch Wiring (Craig Payne)
8. 02:02 PM - Re: Re: Heavy engine and Horiz. stab (Grant Corriveau) (Paul Mulwitz)
9. 04:18 PM - Re: Heavy engine and Horiz. stab (Grant Corriveau) (leinad)
10. 05:33 PM - Re: Heavy engine and Horiz. stab (Gary Gower)
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| Subject: | What's My Contribution Used For? |
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| Subject: | Re: Timing Light Question |
Ben,
Hooking up the backward induction pickup was the problem. If I hook it up correctly
(arrow toward the plug), and hold the pickup well away from other wires
it works good. Thanks.
Dan
> n801bh(at)netzero.com"]I am using the same ignition wires. No problem timing
my motor. On the timing light the pick up that clamps around the #1 wire is very
polarity sensitive. there should be a decal showing plug side, by reversing
this the light usually gives an erratic reading. Also if your ignition is a
lost spark set up the timing light might be seeing double pulses.. let us know
what it takes to get a reliable reading...
> do not archive
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> Ben Haas
> N801BH
> www.haaspowerair.com
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> -- "leinad" wrote:
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> I'm using an INOVA Tach Advance Digital Timing Light and it is acting very eratic.
It's the type that has a lead that clamps around the #1 spark plug wire
(induction lead). So far I haven't been able to look at the timing except at
idle. At idle it looks like it's working OK, showing an advance of a few degrees
and an RPM of 750, but as soon as I rev it up the RPMs jump all over the
place and I loose the timing mark. I'm using Moroso Super Blue plug wires and
have wondered if that's the problem. Perhaps it isn't able to pick the induction
through the shielding in the wire. Any ideas?
> Dan Dempsey
> 601XL /Corvair
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| Subject: | Re: Heavy engine and Horiz. stab (Grant Corriveau) |
Grant,
I noticed I was flying slightly nose up in cruise in my 701. I dropped
the flaperons a small amount and the nose came down and I picked up
about 2 mph.
Chuck D.
N701TX
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| Subject: | Re: Heavy engine and Horiz. stab (Grant Corriveau) |
On my Kitfox 2, the flapperons were primarily used to trim the plane,
according to the flight manual.
Roger
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From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Deiterich
Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 11:01 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Heavy engine and Horiz. stab (Grant Corriveau)
Grant,
I noticed I was flying slightly nose up in cruise in my 701. I dropped the
flaperons a small amount and the nose came down and I picked up about 2 mph.
Chuck D.
N701TX
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| Subject: | Re: Heavy engine and Horiz. stab (Grant Corriveau) |
OK, my stupid factor is in high gear today.- I'm having difficulty with t
he flap switch wiring as shown on 6B-20.- I've attached a copy.- Somebo
dy help me out, as I can't seem to get it right.- I see that the black wi
re from the flap motor goes to the #1 lug.- Red goes to number 3 lug.-
Ground goes to #2.- Hot wire from the buss goes to 5 Beyond that I get co
nfused.- I've attached the diagram.
Thanks in advance.
Bill Pagan
--- On Sun, 11/16/08, Chuck Deiterich <cffd@pgrb.com> wrote:
From: Chuck Deiterich <cffd@pgrb.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Heavy engine and Horiz. stab (Grant Corriveau)
Grant,
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I noticed I was flying slightly nose up in cruise
in my 701.- I dropped the flaperons a small amount and the nose came down
and I picked up about 2 mph.-
-
Chuck D.
N701TX
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| Subject: | Flap Switch Wiring |
Sorry forgot to change the subject line on the below message.
Bill Pagan
--- On Sun, 11/16/08, Bill Pagan <pdn8r@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Bill Pagan <pdn8r@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Heavy engine and Horiz. stab (Grant Corrivea
u)
OK, my stupid factor is in high gear today.- I'm having difficulty with t
he flap switch wiring as shown on 6B-20.- I've attached a copy.- Somebo
dy help me out, as I can't seem to get it right.- I see that the black wi
re from the flap motor goes to the #1 lug.- Red goes to number 3 lug.-
Ground goes to #2.- Hot wire from the buss goes to 5 Beyond that I get co
nfused.- I've attached the diagram.
Thanks in advance.
Bill Pagan
--- On Sun, 11/16/08, Chuck Deiterich <cffd@pgrb.com> wrote:
From: Chuck Deiterich <cffd@pgrb.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Heavy engine and Horiz. stab (Grant Corriveau)
Grant,
-
I noticed I was flying slightly nose up in cruise
in my 701.- I dropped the flaperons a small amount and the nose came down
and I picked up about 2 mph.-
-
Chuck D.
N701TX
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL - Aileron Trim Tab Deflection |
Thanks for everyone's input to my question. Sorry if it caused any discord
in the group - that was not my intention.
Dave
Time: 09:44:12 PM PST US
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 601XL - Aileron Trim Tab Deflection
From: "Ron Lendon" <rlendon@comcast.net>
I ditto what Juan says. Just make a new part and let's all stop over
analyzing
this.
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Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI
Corvair with Roy's Garage 5th bearing
Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-)
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| Subject: | Flap Switch Wiring |
OK, the note above the schematic that says "Circuit is shown for flaps up:
the worm gear is in the retracted position shutting off the up limit micro
sw". But the schematic shows the up-limit switch closed, not open. So they
contradict each other. I think the schematic either shows the system in the
full down position or is wrong. It all depends on which way the motor turns
when red is positive or black is positive. Since I only currently have the
new-style sealed flap motor I can't test this for you. But as shown if you
moved the toggle to connect lugs 1-2 and lugs 4-5 nothing will happen
because the "down" switch is open, breaking the circuit from lug 4. If you
move the toggle to connect lugs 2-3 and 5-6 the motor will turn until the
"up" switch gets hit and breaks the circuit from lug 6.
Anyway the red wire goes to lug 3 on the toggle switch AND the common lug on
the "down" limit micro-switch (the one towards the rear of the plane and
away from the electric motor). Likewise the black wire goes to lug 1 and the
"normally closed" lug (marked "NC") on the flap-up limit switch (towards the
front of the plane and the electric motor)
In all four wires have to run from the flap actuator to the toggle switch on
your panel. The remaining two wires are:
- a wire from the common lug on the "up" limit switch to lug 6 on the toggle
on the panel
- a wire from the normally closed ("NC") lug on the "down limit" switch to
lug 4 on the toggle on the panel.
BE VERY CARFUL with the screw terminals on the limit switches. The plastic
cases are fragile. Don't try to bend the lugs.
Basically for either direction the toggle on the panel and the appropriate
limit switch are wired in series. So the motor will only move as long as
both are closed. Release the toggle or hit the limit switch and the motor
stops.
Test wire half the system (like just the "moving down" direction) and try it
with a car battery. You can flip the micro-switch by hand before the
traveler reaches it to see if the switch will actually stop the travel.
-- Craig
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Pagan
Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 1:35 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Heavy engine and Horiz. stab (Grant Corriveau)
OK, my stupid factor is in high gear today. I'm having difficulty with the
flap switch wiring as shown on 6B-20. I've attached a copy. Somebody help
me out, as I can't seem to get it right. I see that the black wire from the
flap motor goes to the #1 lug. Red goes to number 3 lug. Ground goes to
#2. Hot wire from the buss goes to 5 Beyond that I get confused. I've
attached the diagram.
Thanks in advance.
Bill Pagan
--- On Sun, 11/16/08, Chuck Deiterich <cffd@pgrb.com> wrote:
From: Chuck Deiterich <cffd@pgrb.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Heavy engine and Horiz. stab (Grant Corriveau)
Grant,
I noticed I was flying slightly nose up in cruise in my 701. I dropped the
flaperons a small amount and the nose came down and I picked up about 2 mph.
Chuck D.
N701TX
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| Subject: | Re: Heavy engine and Horiz. stab (Grant Corriveau) |
Hi Bill,
The trick to understanding DPDT switches like the toggle switch used
in the flaps is to know which circuits close when you move the
handle. With this switch in the center position (where it rests with
no user pushing) none of the circuits are closed. When you push the
switch up the bottom output is connected to the center. When you
push the switch down the top output pins are connected to the center pins.
The circuit operation depends on the use of the "NO" pins on the
microswitches. These are "Normally Open". When the mechanical gizmo
moves to operate the limit switch it changes the outputs so the
"NO" pins become connected to the Common pin and the "NC" pin
becomes disconnected from the Common. Opening the NC pin disconnects
the power from the motor so the motion is "Limited".
You need to figure out which pins are normally closed, common, and
normally open on the SPDT microswitches. Then you can wire up the
whole thing and it actually works. You might be able to tell by
seeing marks on the microswitches, and you can certainly tell with an
ohm-meter.
I hope this helps. If you still don't get it please describe the
problem you are having and I might be able to figure out what is wrong.
Good luck,
Paul
XL getting close
Retarded (oops, I mean retired) Electrical Engineer
At 12:35 PM 11/16/2008, you wrote:
>OK, my stupid factor is in high gear today. I'm having difficulty
>with the flap switch wiring as shown on 6B-20. I've attached a
>copy. Somebody help me out, as I can't seem to get it right. I see
>that the black wire from the flap motor goes to the #1 lug. Red
>goes to number 3 lug. Ground goes to #2. Hot wire from the buss
>goes to 5 Beyond that I get confused. I've attached the diagram.
>
>Thanks in advance.
>
>Bill Pagan
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| Subject: | Re: Heavy engine and Horiz. stab (Grant Corriveau) |
Bill,
The idea behind that circuit is that it reverses the polarity going to the motor.
One direction and ground is connected to the black and power to the red, push
the switch other way and you have the reverse situation. You could hook it
up without the limit switches at all and it would still work, but you wouldn't
have a switch killing the power when you get to the end of the stroke. Where
the schematic shows the wire as if joined in the middle you can hook to either
end. You just need wire joining the described lug on the switch to either
the motor or the limit switch side that then has a wire going to the motor.
I think it will help you if you imagine the circuit without the limit switches.
Hope this helps.
Dan
[quote] ="pdn8r(at)yahoo.com"]OK, my stupid factor is in high gear today. I'm
having difficulty with the flap switch wiring as shown on 6B-20. I've attached
a copy. Somebody help me out, as I can't seem to get it right. I see that
the black wire from the flap motor goes to the #1 lug. Red goes to number 3 lug.
Ground goes to #2. Hot wire from the buss goes to 5 Beyond that I get confused.
I've attached the diagram.
Thanks in advance.
Bill Pagan
--- On Sun, 11/16/08, Chuck Deiterich wrote:
> From: Chuck Deiterich
> Subject: Re: Heavy engine and Horiz. stab (Grant Corriveau)
> To: "zenith-list"
> Date: Sunday, November 16, 2008, 12:00 PM
>
> Grant,
>
> I noticed I was flying slightly nose up in cruise in my 701. I dropped the
flaperons a small amount and the nose came down and I picked up about 2 mph.
>
> Chuck D.
> N701TX
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Scratch building XL with Corvair Engine
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| Subject: | Re: Heavy engine and Horiz. stab |
Hi Steve,
-
When the 601 XL airplane-beguined to have "the accidents"- inmediate I
remembered the Flying Flea,- Now- that you mentioned the Flying Fleas f
rom the 30's...--
-
They (the Flying Flea) are remembered not because of the great airplane the
y are, but because of the "ban" in England in 1936.
The stability problem was solved in 2 weeks of wind tunnel test,- Since t
hen, is considered the safest airplane, but the harm was already done.- T
he problem were basically 2:- the change of C of G with a heavier engine
(Carden-Ford similar to the model A)- and that the elevator actuator had
only a pull (cable) movement-and no push. later changed to a rod.-
-
The Flying Fleas are still made in modern versions,- but also are somethi
ng impresive to learn about.-- Their stability and stall proof design i
s one of a kind.- Nothing similar with 3 axis airplanes...- I am flying
- one and building a two seater modern one.
-
Well. sorry list for this is really something out of theme...-Could start
in this list a discussion larger than the one of the green scotchbrite :-)
Please dont comment in the list, I will hate to start someting big not Zeni
th related.
Just rermembered about the "ban"...
-
Saludos
Gary Gower
Builder and flyer of "La Bamba" Ladder Pou.
Building a 601 XL Jab 3300.
PLEASE!- Do not Archive.
-
--- On Thu, 11/13/08, steve <notsew_evets@frontiernet.net> wrote:
From: steve <notsew_evets@frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Heavy engine and Horiz. stab
<notsew_evets@frontiernet.net>
But, But, but what about flying wings ? These dont have a horizontal
stablizer....
My son has a EZE that doest have a H.S. It has two flying surfaces. So do
es
the flying flea from the 1930s....
----- Original Message ----- From: "Dirk Zahtilla"
<ideaz1@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 8:41 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Heavy engine and Horiz. stab
<ideaz1@sbcglobal.net>
>
> Yup, you are on the right track here. the horiz stab is used to change
pitch angle. If you are nose heavy it must be counteracted by down force on
the
horiz stab/ elevator, efectively doubling the weight that is off balance. I
n a
perfect world there would be 0lbs. of downforce in straight and level fligh
t.
Our job is to come as close as we can by balancing the weight before flight
.
> Dirk
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Grant Corriveau"
<grant.corriveau@TELUS.NET>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 7:17 AM
> Subject: Zenith-List: Heavy engine and Horiz. stab
>
>
<grant.corriveau@telus.net>
>>
>> I'm confused by the comments regarding the engine mass and the
horizontal stab installed angle.
>>
>> Isn't the engine mass counter-balanced during the construction by
final placement of the battery(s) to maintain the Weight & Balance inside
the acceptable envelope? Once this is accomplished there is no need to
consider "adjusting" the horizontal stab to account for the engine
weight, is there?
>>
>> Curious in Canada
>> Grant
>> 601 HDS / CAM100 (heavy but worth it)
>>
>>
>>
>>
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