---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 11/20/08: 19 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 0. 12:32 AM - Behind By 21% - Advertising May Be Needed...? (Matt Dralle) 1. 05:55 AM - Forms (wade jones) 2. 06:46 AM - Re: Forms (sdthatcher) 3. 06:57 AM - Left-over parts (Dr. Andrew Elliott) 4. 07:04 AM - Correction - Left-over parts (Dr. Andrew Elliott) 5. 07:15 AM - Re: Aileron Push Rods, 601XL (japhillipsga@aol.com) 6. 07:53 AM - Re: Aileron Push Rods, 601XL (Dirk Zahtilla) 7. 09:57 AM - Re: Correction - Left-over parts (PatrickW) 8. 10:46 AM - 80 hp. jab (Southern Reflections) 9. 11:57 AM - Re: 80 hp. jab (Pete Krotje) 10. 12:08 PM - Re: 80 hp. jab (Iberplanes IGL) 11. 01:08 PM - Re: 80 hp. jab (Pete Krotje) 12. 01:33 PM - Re: 80 hp. jab (Southern Reflections) 13. 01:38 PM - Re: 80 hp. jab (jetboy) 14. 04:24 PM - Re: Re: 80 hp. jab (Southern Reflections) 15. 07:55 PM - Re: 80 hp. jab (jetboy) 16. 08:40 PM - Re: Re: 80 hp. jab (Southern Reflections) 17. 09:25 PM - Plexiglass Scratch Repair... (Matt Dralle) 18. 10:03 PM - YOU MIGHT BE IN THE AVIATION/AEROSPACE INDUSTRY IF ... (Jimbo) ________________________________ Message 0 _____________________________________ Time: 12:32:28 AM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Zenith-List: Behind By 21% - Advertising May Be Needed...? Dear Listers, The percentage of people making a Contribution to support the Lists this year is currently lagging behind last year by approximately 21%! I'm hoping that everyone is just waiting until the last minute to show their support... ;-) Please remember that it is solely your direct Contributions that keep these Lists up and running and most importantly - AD FREE! If the members don't want to support the Lists directly, then I will likely have to start adding advertisements to offset the costs of running the Lists. But I *really* don't want to have to start doing that. I really like the non-commercial atmosphere here and I think that a lot of the members appreciate that too. Please take a moment to make a Contribution today in support of the continued ad-free operation of all these Lists: http://www.matronics.com/contribution I want to send out a word of appreciation to all of the members that have already made their generous Contribution to support the Lists! Thank you! Matt Dralle Email List Administrator ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:55:27 AM PST US From: "wade jones" Subject: Zenith-List: Forms Hello group ,I am getting ready for a hanger clean-up .If someone on the list is considering scratch building a 601XL they are welcome to my forms used in building my plane .If they are not wanted they are on their way to the burn pile .It would cost too much to ship them ,I live 50 miles South of Houston Texas in Brazoria . Phone :979-798-5917 Wade Jones South Texas 601XL Franklin 0-235 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:46:39 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Forms From: "sdthatcher" Dam Wade, I'm having trouble even throwing away my wing shipping container! Do Not Archive -------- Scott Thatcher, Palm Beach Gardens, FL 601XL with Corvair, Registered as E-LSA N601EL, EAA203 25 hours and climbing. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=215321#215321 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:57:17 AM PST US From: "Dr. Andrew Elliott" Subject: Zenith-List: Left-over parts Gang: I have a few left-over (unused) parts from my build that I would like to sell. All are offered at *1/2* the price from the Zenith catalog, plus actual shipping. Please contact me off-list if you are interested. Andy Elliott, Mesa, AZ N601GE (registered) 601XL/TD, inspection this Saturday! a.s.elliott@cox.net Part No. Description ZAC $$ My $$ -------- ------------ ------- ------- 6W9-2 Pitot-Static Tube Assembly 61.00 30.50 6W10-1 Ail. Bellcrank w/spacers 38.10 19.00 (each, have 2) 6F4-1 Cable Outlet Fairing ??? 2.00 (each, have 2) All of it, even cheaper! $70.00 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:04:41 AM PST US From: "Dr. Andrew Elliott" Subject: Zenith-List: Correction - Left-over parts Gang: (found more!) I have a few left-over (unused) parts from my build that I would like to sell. All are offered at *1/2* the price from the Zenith catalog, plus actual shipping. Please contact me off-list if you are interested. Andy Elliott, Mesa, AZ N601GE (registered) 601XL/TD, inspection this Saturday! a.s.elliott@cox.net Part No. Description ZAC $$ My $$ -------- ------------ ------- ------- 6W9-2 Pitot-Static Tube Assembly 61.00 30.50 6W10-1 Ail. Bellcrank w/spacers,2 38.10 38.00 (each) (for 2) 6F4-1 Cable Outlet Fairing,2 ??? 4.00 (for 2) 9416K12 40# Gas Spring,2 10.50 10.50 (each) (for 2) All of it, even cheaper! $80.00 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:15:07 AM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Aileron Push Rods, 601XL From: japhillipsga@aol.com Dear Builders, somewhere out there in Zenithland there is at least one builder that substituted push/pull rods for the cables on their ailerons. I remember somebody in the past saying on this thread that they were going to or had already made the stwitch. Please contact me if that certain someone is reading. Also, if any of you other folks remember who he is please let me know. Thanks for your time, Bill of Georgia N505WP 601XL-3300 140 hrs Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=215321#215321 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:53:26 AM PST US From: "Dirk Zahtilla" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Aileron Push Rods, 601XL That was me, There's one recently completed XL (in our EAA chapter) with pushrods, and myself and one other just started propjects who are doing this also. Feel free to call me at 775-671-0852 or email me direct ideaz1@sbcglobal.net Dirk Z Carson City, Nv. ----- Original Message ----- From: japhillipsga@aol.com To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 7:14 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Aileron Push Rods, 601XL Dear Builders, somewhere out there in Zenithland there is at least one builder that substituted push/pull rods for the cables on their ailerons. I remember somebody in the past saying on this thread that they were going to or had already made the stwitch. Please contact me if that certain someone is reading. Also, if any of you other folks remember who he is please let me know. Thanks for your time, Bill of Georgia N505WP 601XL-3300 140 hrs Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=215321#215321 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:57:18 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Correction - Left-over parts From: "PatrickW" Just curious - did you go with something different for your aileron belcrank...? - Pat -------- Patrick 601XL/Corvair N63PZ (reserved) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=215375#215375 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:46:21 AM PST US From: "Southern Reflections" Subject: Zenith-List: 80 hp. jab Does any out there have a 80 hp. jab in a701? Joe N101 HD ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:57:47 AM PST US From: "Pete Krotje" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: 80 hp. jab Jabiru USA is flying a 85hp Jabiru 2200 in our 701. See http://www.usjabiru.com/zenithch701.html for details Pete From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Southern Reflections Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 12:45 PM Subject: Zenith-List: 80 hp. jab Does any out there have a 80 hp. jab in a701? Joe N101 HD ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 12:08:26 PM PST US From: "Iberplanes IGL" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 80 hp. jab Hello Pete, Would a 3300 also fit? Thanks,. 2008/11/20 Pete Krotje > Jabiru USA is flying a 85hp Jabiru 2200 in our 701. See > http://www.usjabiru.com/zenithch701.html for details > > > Pete > > > *From:* owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: > owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Southern > Reflections > *Sent:* Thursday, November 20, 2008 12:45 PM > *To:* zenith-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Zenith-List: 80 hp. jab > > > Does any out there have a 80 hp. jab in a701? Joe N101 HD > > * * > > * * > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List* > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://forums.matronics.com* > > ** > > * > > -- Alberto Martin www.iberplanes.es Igualada - Barcelona - Spain ---------------------------------------------- Zodiac 601 XL Builder Serial: 6-7011 Tail Kit: Finished Wings: Not Started Fuselage: Ordered Engine: Jabiru 3300 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 01:08:19 PM PST US From: "Pete Krotje" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: 80 hp. jab There are a few builders who have installed the 3300 but there are more cooling issues to solve. Pete From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Iberplanes IGL Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 2:08 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 80 hp. jab Hello Pete, Would a 3300 also fit? Thanks,. 2008/11/20 Pete Krotje Jabiru USA is flying a 85hp Jabiru 2200 in our 701. See http://www.usjabiru.com/zenithch701.html for details Pete From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Southern Reflections Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 12:45 PM Subject: Zenith-List: 80 hp. jab Does any out there have a 80 hp. jab in a701? Joe N101 HD http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List http://forums.matronics.com -- Alberto Martin www.iberplanes.es Igualada - Barcelona - Spain ---------------------------------------------- Zodiac 601 XL Builder Serial: 6-7011 Tail Kit: Finished Wings: Not Started Fuselage: Ordered Engine: Jabiru 3300 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 01:33:10 PM PST US From: "Southern Reflections" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 80 hp. jab What typt prop are you using and what size and pitch? Thanks Joe N101HD ----- Original Message ----- From: Pete Krotje To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 2:56 PM Subject: RE: Zenith-List: 80 hp. jab Jabiru USA is flying a 85hp Jabiru 2200 in our 701. See http://www.usjabiru.com/zenithch701.html for details Pete From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Southern Reflections Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 12:45 PM To: zenith-list@matronics.com Subject: Zenith-List: 80 hp. jab Does any out there have a 80 hp. jab in a701? Joe N101 HD http://www.matronics.com/contributionhttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Z enith-Listhttp://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 01:38:42 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 80 hp. jab From: "jetboy" Joe, there is probably a dozen or more out there now, we have 2 in NZ with the 2200a and they do fine. A third is fitting a 3300 but not flown yet, I expect the trouble will be in the cooling as Pete says, and fuel burn/ weight will be compromised. Probably find more info on the 701801 list.... Ralph -------- Ralph - CH701 / 2200a Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=215419#215419 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 04:24:46 PM PST US From: "Southern Reflections" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: 80 hp. jab thank's mate, what type prop are you using,size and pitch? Joe N101HD ----- Original Message ----- From: "jetboy" Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 4:38 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 80 hp. jab > > Joe, there is probably a dozen or more out there now, we have 2 in NZ with > the 2200a and they do fine. A third is fitting a 3300 but not flown yet, I > expect the trouble will be in the cooling as Pete says, and fuel burn/ > weight will be compromised. > > Probably find more info on the 701801 list.... > > Ralph > > -------- > Ralph - CH701 / 2200a > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=215419#215419 > > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 07:55:26 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 80 hp. jab From: "jetboy" I went to a thompsonaeronatical.com 64x30". The Jabiru 60x38" was unsatisfactory. There is a Yahoo thread on this and the Sensenich and the Tenessee props seem to be equivalent Ralph -------- Ralph - CH701 / 2200a Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=215470#215470 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 08:40:12 PM PST US From: "Southern Reflections" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: 80 hp. jab Thank's Ralph, I've got a friend that has a701 with a jab 80 hp.eng he has 2 prop from jab and both don't work one over revs and other won't develope enouth power to get off the ground.. one of those prop,s is a tenn. I'll pass your e mail to him Joe N101HD ----- Original Message ----- From: "jetboy" Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 10:54 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 80 hp. jab > > I went to a thompsonaeronatical.com 64x30". The Jabiru 60x38" was > unsatisfactory. There is a Yahoo thread on this and the Sensenich and the > Tenessee props seem to be equivalent > > Ralph > > -------- > Ralph - CH701 / 2200a > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=215470#215470 > > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 09:25:25 PM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Zenith-List: Plexiglass Scratch Repair... Dear Listers, During the fitting of the Plexiglass canopy on my RV-8, I managed to put some pretty disheartening scratches in the windscreen section. You can see from the pictures that they looked pretty bad. A call to Van's revealed that a replacement canopy would be $640 + $250 shipping to California! Ack. So what to do... A bit of surfing and I found this "Scratch Off" windshield repair kit for $35 on the Aircraft Spruce web site: http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/cspages/scratchoff.php Frankly, it just seemed too good to be true. Nothing for $35 could be that "magic" I thought, but what did I have to lose at this point.... Well, the kit arrived yesterday and I decided to give it a try tonight. In a word: WOW! In about 2 hours the windscreen looked as good as new - no kidding - AS GOOD AS NEW! The pictures really don't do the repair justice. It looks better in person. There are basically two sponges in the kit with four decreasingly porous pastes. You just put some of the first paste on the sponge and buff it in with a drill at 1200 RPM or less. Then you wash everything down good including the sponge and windshield with warm water. Then you use the next finer paste and repeat the process. Etc, etc, until you've used the 4th paste that is kind of like car wax. Frankly, the scratches were gone after the first application of paste - I started at #2 based on the instructions and the "observed severity" of the scratch depth. So, the bottom line is, if you've got scuffs or mild scratches in your Plexiglass buy this repair kit. It works! Matt Dralle RV-8 #82880 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 10:03:02 PM PST US From: Jimbo Subject: Zenith-List: YOU MIGHT BE IN THE AVIATION/AEROSPACE INDUSTRY IF ... This bit of humor may be a little OT, but helps to explain why some of my posts seem incomprehensible. YOU MIGHT BE IN THE AVIATION/AEROSPACE INDUSTRY IF ... 1. You sat at the same desk for 4 years and worked for 8 different managers. Or have moved 10 times in two years and have never known who your boss was. 2. Your resume is on a jumpdrive in your pocket. 3. Someone asks you what you do for a living and you lie. 4. You get really excited about a 2% pay increase. 5. Your biggest loss from a system crash, is that you lose your best jokes. 6. You sit in a cubicle smaller than your bedroom closet. 7. Its dark on your drive to and from work. 8. Fun is when "projects" are assigned to someone else. 9. Communication is something your "group" is having problems with. 10. You see a good-looking person and know it's a visitor. 11. Free food left over from a meeting is your main staple. 12. All art involves a white board. 13. All real work is done prior to 8:00am and after 4:30pm. 14. You're already late on the assignment you just received. 15. Dilbert is your favorite cartoon. 16. Your boss's favorite lines are ... "When you get a few minutes ..." "I have an opportunity for you ..." "Cross-charging is forbidden." "the directional truth in a white water world ..." "We have a new culture that will enable us to ..." "We have a new engineering vice-president." "This reorganization will allow us to streamline our way of doing business, becoming more competitive." 17. 99% of the people in your company do not know what you do. 18. 99% of the people in your company do not care what you do. 19. Vacation is something you rollover to next year or a check you get every January. 20. Change is the norm. 21. Nepotism is strongly encouraged. 22. Your company announces no pay increase because it is investing money in a new aircraft development. 23. Your company announces no pay increase because the airline industry is in a downturn. And your boss gets voted "man of the year in aerospace" 24. Your fear to fly is becoming even worse. 25. Everyone at the company says that without his work there would be no aircraft. 26. An ordinary secretary has more power than an old engineer. 27. You read this entire list and understand it. 28. Not allowing firearms on company property is seen strictly as a suicide prevention measure. 29. 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