---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 11/26/08: 23 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 0. 12:09 AM - Just A Few More Days... (Matt Dralle) 1. 06:23 AM - Re: 601XL Aileron Balance Fairleads (DaveG601XL) 2. 07:18 AM - Re: Lets look at the specs (Gig Giacona) 3. 07:21 AM - [Probable Spam] Re: Spreading fear about the XL (Gig Giacona) 4. 07:26 AM - Re: [Probable Spam] Re: Spreading fear about the XL (LarryMcFarland) 5. 07:27 AM - Re: machine screws (Gig Giacona) 6. 09:23 AM - Re: 601XL Wing Install (wade jones) 7. 09:48 AM - Re: machine screws (Carlos Sa) 8. 10:24 AM - Best place to get 6061 (Derek Lewis) 9. 10:34 AM - Re: Best place to get 6061 (Paul Mulwitz) 10. 10:47 AM - Re: Best place to get 6061 (William Dominguez) 11. 11:14 AM - Re: Best place to get 6061 (TxDave) 12. 01:04 PM - Re: Re: Best place to get 6061 (Debo Cox) 13. 01:26 PM - Re: Re: Best place to get 6061 (wade jones) 14. 02:12 PM - Re: Re: Best place to get 6061 (steve) 15. 03:50 PM - Re: Spreading fear about the XL () 16. 04:11 PM - Re: machine screws (Carlos Sa) 17. 05:46 PM - Radio tray (Bill Naumuk) 18. 06:31 PM - Re: 601XL passenger seat and baggage shelf dimensions? (Southern Reflections) 19. 06:55 PM - [Probable Spam] Re: Spreading fear about the XL (Ron Lendon) 20. 07:03 PM - Re: Radio tray (Bill Pagan) 21. 07:32 PM - [Probable Spam] Re: Spreading fear about the XL (Sabrina) 22. 08:33 PM - [Probable Spam] Re: Spreading fear about the XL (Sabrina) ________________________________ Message 0 _____________________________________ Time: 12:09:54 AM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Zenith-List: Just A Few More Days... Dear Listers, There are just a few more days left in this year's List Fund Raiser. There are some great gifts available when you make a qualifying Contribution and there's plenty still available. Don't forget that its *your* Contribution that keeps the computers running, the electricity turned on, and the computer room AC cooling! If you look forward to reading your List email each day, won't you please take a minute right now to make your personal Contribution? Credit Card or Paypal: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Personal Check: Matronics / Matt Dralle PO Box 347 Livermore, CA 94550 Thank you for your support! Matt Dralle ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:23:37 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 601XL Aileron Balance Fairleads From: "DaveG601XL" Like Craig's pictures show, ZAC has changed the way they do quick builds, but the plans don't seem to have changed to match. I talked to Roger about the change and the larger hole on the aileron fairlead is meant to allow the entire turnbuckle to be passed through. I don't know why the balance cable does not mimic it. I took the large hole idea and applied it to both cables. Attached is a picture of my fuselage. Hope this helps, -------- David Gallagher 601 XL/Jabiru 3300 First flight 7/24/08 Phase I flight test complete 10/16/08 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=216368#216368 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/fuselage_465_647.jpg ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:18:20 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Lets look at the specs From: "Gig Giacona" hills(at)sunflower.com wrote: > Howdy all, > > I called Zenith a year back to ask about how they determine the vne of their planes. I was told that the speed assigned was the speed that the > plane has been tested to in flight (at sea level), and not an actual failure speed, which they dont have a way of determining and dont test too. > > Also, regarding the 6g design load, both Zenith and Sonex told me the same thing, the wings on the HD and the Sonex are designed to an ultimate of 9 gs , > So technically they are aerobatic category stressed, but for legal reasons they dont state this in writing as they dont want folks doing aerobatic maneuvers in them. > Note: The HD does stand for Heavy Duty. > > I register my 601 HDS as Utility class after I swapped out the engine. > > Roger > > While you may have written Utility some where on the registration I doubt the FAA noticed or cared. Utility class is a Part 23 thing that really effects EX-HB not a bit. Just writing utility on the registration doesn't make the plane any stronger. -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=216372#216372 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:21:49 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: [Probable Spam] Re: Spreading fear about the XL From: "Gig Giacona" Ron Lendon wrote: > Larry, > > It was never my intention to intimate using the airframe to stretch the cables like guitar strings. I will fixture something on my work table when I get to that point. The cables will be pre-stretched before assembly. > > Hope that clarifies things, That's the thing. I can't find anything, anywhere that says we either should or can pre-stretch these cables. If you have a specific place where this is shown please show specific cites. -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=216373#216373 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:26:15 AM PST US From: LarryMcFarland Subject: Re: Zenith-List: [Probable Spam] Re: Spreading fear about the XL Hi Ron, I completely understood, but many might think these cables have stretch, where in fact, the cable weight is what's at play here. The concerns for flutter are based on the cable weight becoming harmonic and somehow combining to start a bigger vibration. If this were the case, it would be better to put guides at a couple of places along the cable length to support the cable and then the harmonics of low tension cables would not be possible. Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com Ron Lendon wrote: > > Larry, > > It was never my intention to intimate using the airframe to stretch the cables like guitar strings. I will fixture something on my work table when I get to that point. The cables will be pre-stretched before assembly. > > Hope that clarifies things, > > -------- > Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI > WW Corvair with Roy's Garage 5th bearing > Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-) > http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:27:17 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: machine screws From: "Gig Giacona" McMaster-Carr as Terry mentions has every screw on the planet. If they don't have it you don't need it. I'm using some Torx head screws in several places because they don't slip as much and they look a lot like an installed rivet. That said. I picked up a trick when fitting the canopy from, of all places, the Zenith build manual. A dab of valve grinding compound pretty much stops slipping screw drivers of all types. -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=216376#216376 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:23:10 AM PST US From: "wade jones" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601XL Wing Install Hello group ,thanks to all that responded to my wing install request .Got some good ideas from you . Thanks again Wade Jones South Texas 601XL Franklin 0-235 ----- Original Message ----- From: jaybannist@cs.com To: zenith601-list@matronics.com ; zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 7:54 AM Subject: Zenith-List: 601XL Wing Install This is for anyone who might be interested. It is just the way I did it. Jay in Dallas ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Email message sent from CompuServe - visit us today at http://www.cs.com ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:48:33 AM PST US From: "Carlos Sa" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: machine screws Thank you all for the tips. A correction: the head angle is 100 degrees, as can be seen in the anchor plate drawing at http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/graphics/04-01724.gif - not 82 degrees as I stated on my first note. Carlos CH601-HD, plans slowly but surely, with emphasis on "slowly". ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:24:51 AM PST US From: "Derek Lewis" Subject: Zenith-List: Best place to get 6061 For anyone who has purchased 6061-t6, or knows where to get it. Where is the best and cheapest place you guys and girls have found to get it. I have been using Airparts, but I have been spending up to $150 a sheet + Shipping. A lower price would allow me to get my plane done faster. Thanks, Derek Lewis DO NOT ARCHIVE!!! ____________________________________________________________ Single? Chat with sexy singles in your area now. Click Here! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2231/fc/u4MuSIMGYLdRrSoIyxXOMXWCSxwoGr3rROH44oJOdRnOtGaBlXxvs/ ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:34:28 AM PST US From: Paul Mulwitz Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Best place to get 6061 Hi Derek, Shipping is a huge portion of aluminum prices. That means the best vendor choice depends on where you are located. It also depends on how much metal you order at one time. Aircraft Spruce is a good source of small quantities for UPS shipment. Perhaps you could tell us where you are located and how much aluminum you plan to buy at each order so we can make an intelligent recommendation. Paul XL getting close At 10:22 AM 11/26/2008, you wrote: >For anyone who has purchased 6061-t6, or knows where to get >it. Where is the best and cheapest place you guys and girls have >found to get it. I have been using Airparts, but I have been >spending up to $150 a sheet + Shipping. A lower price would allow >me to get my plane done faster. > >Thanks, ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:47:50 AM PST US From: William Dominguez Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Best place to get 6061 I've been using Yarde Metals www.yarde.com and have no complains. The price s are good and the bigger the order the cheaper they get. They package the material very well and their customer service is very good. Here is what I paid in my last order (May 2008), the S&H was waived, the fl at bars is for the wing main spar: Material- -------- Price- ---- Quantity --- Sub Total Item # 1 - 6061-T6 SHT. .016" X 48" X 144" 53 ..13 1 53.13 Item # 2 - 6061-T6 SHT. .025" X 48" X 144" 77.19 5 385.95 Item # 3 - 6061-T6 SHT. .032" X 48" X 144" 79.18 2 158.36 Item # 4 - 6061-T6511 FLAT BAR 1/4" X 1 1/2" X 12/FT. 1 5.66 8 125.28 ----------------- ------------------------- ------------------------- ---------------- Order Total - - 722.72 William Dominguez Zodiac 601XL Plans Miami, Florida http://www.geocities.com/bill_dom --- On Wed, 11/26/08, Derek Lewis wrote: From: Derek Lewis Subject: Zenith-List: Best place to get 6061 For anyone who has purchased 6061-t6, or knows where to get it. Where is t he best and cheapest place you guys and girls have found to get it. I have be en using Airparts, but I have been spending up to $150 a sheet + Shipping. A lower price would allow me to get my plane done faster. Thanks, Derek Lewis DO NOT ARCHIVE!!! ____________________________________________________________ Single? Chat with sexy singles in your area now. Click Here! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2231/fc/u4MuSIMGYLdRrSoIyxXOMXWCSxwo Gr3rROH44oJOdRnOtGaBlXxvs/ ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:14:58 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Best place to get 6061 From: "TxDave" I get my 6061 T6 aluminum from Trident Metals in Austin. I pay $65 for a 4X12 sheet of .025. I'm lucky they are less than an hour's drive from me. Dave Clay Temple, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=216422#216422 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 01:04:02 PM PST US From: Debo Cox Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Best place to get 6061 Just FYI, I'm going to be bending my own landing gear and ordered a big ole' hunk of 6061-T6 (3/4" thick x 8" wide x 97 inches long) from Trident Metals today. The cost without shipping was $188.50. It was the best price I could find. Debo Cox Nags Head, NC Scratchbuilt XL/Corvair www.mykitlog.com/debo ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 01:26:29 PM PST US From: "wade jones" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Best place to get 6061 Hey Debo ,that is a good price .If I can pass on anything I learned while bending mine feel free to contact me . Wade Jones South Texas 601XL Franklin 0-235 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Debo Cox" Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 3:03 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Best place to get 6061 > > Just FYI, > > I'm going to be bending my own landing gear and ordered a big ole' hunk of > 6061-T6 (3/4" thick x 8" wide x 97 inches long) from Trident Metals today. > The cost without shipping was $188.50. It was the best price I could find. > > Debo Cox > Nags Head, NC > Scratchbuilt XL/Corvair > www.mykitlog.com/debo > > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 02:12:25 PM PST US From: "steve" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Best place to get 6061 I have the stock aluminum gear that came with my QBK. It weighs in at 45 pounds all by itself. I just now woke up from my nap (daily thing) and had a dream of making new gear out of carbon fiber.... I might do that someday but when I went online and saw your post about bending your own aluminum gear, I wanted to type. A few years ago I had Grove gear made for my Avid Flyer. I watched the manufacturing process step by step. A pattern was used to cut out the shape on 7/8 inch flat aluminum stock. After cutting out the shape it went to a boring machine where it was "gun drilled" for the brake fluid. The edges were routed round and the part was taken to a huge brake where it was bent to specs. It looked like a landing gear but was not done until the piece was placed in a large oven to heat temper the metal... Anyway to make this story short, It was not an easy process. Good luck with making your own landing gear.. I still like the carbon fiber idea... Steve W N 9554 Z ----- Original Message ----- From: "Debo Cox" Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 2:03 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Best place to get 6061 > > Just FYI, > > I'm going to be bending my own landing gear and ordered a big ole' hunk of > 6061-T6 (3/4" thick x 8" wide x 97 inches long) from Trident Metals today. > The cost without shipping was $188.50. It was the best price I could find. > > Debo Cox > Nags Head, NC > Scratchbuilt XL/Corvair > www.mykitlog.com/debo > > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 03:50:28 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Spreading fear about the XL At our last meeting of EAA Chapter 91, we had an aerodynamics instructor from Missouri Central University (the old CMSU) who gave a presentation on "Seven Ways an Aircraft Can Contact The Ground" (long story there), and who discussed flutter. There being more than a few 601'ers there, he had a very attentive audience. After the meeting I asked him THE question.One of the things he said was possibly to do like Cessna does, and rig the ailerons with 2-3 degrees down at neutral stick. He said that each aileron would be in tension against the other, causing a constant load on each control surface. He said you give up a little airspeed, but you reduce the possibility of flutter. I also asked him about putting weights on the aileron pushrods inside the wing, and, after thinking about it, he felt it was worth trying, but cautioned me to check a metals nobility chart first to assure I wasn't trading one benefit for a risk, that of corrosion. Now that I think of it, I do recall that my 172's ailerons didn't match the wingtips. Paul Rodriguez 501XL/Corvair ----- Original Message ----- From: Clyde Barcus To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 3:21 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Spreading fear about the XL > Juan That is all it is, a guess, some of us want to know as much as possible to avoid mistakes and to build a good solid plane. I think there has been some good conversation on the subject of properly tensioning control cables to avoid the "possibility" of flutter. I agree with building it to plans and flying within the design limitations but coming to the conclusion that all of them augured because of exceeding VNE and maneuvering speeds is a little over the top. From Bill's account, he experienced flutter, and he wasn't busting any design limits and later found his cables were not tensioned to spec. This is great information and something we can all learn from, in my opinion, that is exactly what this list is for, knowledge. I know I will buy the tool to check tension and it will be part of my frequent check list until I determine there is no need to check it quite as frequently. That should eliminate one possible problem and if I should ever "auger in" you can bet it will not be loose cables or exceeding design limits, you can take that to the bank. Without the recent discussions I would have probably twanged the cables and let it go at that, obviously I have changed my mind. To Bill of Georgia: Thanks! Regards: Clyde Barcus ----- Original Message ----- From: "Juan Vega" > To: >; > Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 3:19 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Spreading fear about the XL > > > Dirk, > pull up the archives, i brought up the issue of VNE and Max manauvering > speeds over one year ago, but the back room engineers ignored it. > > Fly it and follow the specs. My guess is the guys flying and that augered > in ignored the flight envelope of the aircraft. BUILD IT TO PLANS AND FLY > IT TO SPECS. > > Time to move on folks, > > Juan > > -----Original Message----- >>From: Dirk Zahtilla > >>Sent: Nov 24, 2008 10:56 AM >>To: zenith-list@matronics.com >>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Spreading fear about the XL >> >>You forgot the 640 which also has unbalanced ailerons HOWEVER... it has >>push-pull tubes instead of cables and boxed wing spars (more related to >>the load carying capacity).The margin between cruise and VNE is much >>closer than the XL design. Maybe we need to look at this!? As I look at >>the designs, they become capable of increasingly high cruise speeds and >>with builders putting more h.p. in it becomes very easy to reach VNE very >>quickly by entering even a very shallow dive. (also the rudder on the >>6,7,&8 series ARE balanced, note the portion of the rudder ahead of the >>hinge points...this is aerodynamic balance as opposed to weight balance). >> >>I think that what we are seeing is two groups of builders here: one group >>who builds and fly's well within the specs of the design, and one group >>that wants to achieve everything to the edge of the envelope and perhaps a >>bit beyond. One group is made of builder/flyers, and one group is made of >>experimenter builders/test pilots. This latter group will always push >>aircraft design firms to re-examine their designs and hopefully this will >>benefit the first group who will end up flying increasingly safe and more >>capable aircraft. >> >>I'm sure that no-one on this list means to offend the builder/flyer group, >>I know I don't. We are just part of the group that reaches out to extend >>our potential. >> >>I am building a 601XL (which I may re-designate as >>601XLA(airobat)orM(modified) just to make it clear that it is not totally >>to plans) As I have said before I will use push-pull tubes for the >>ailerons and elevator and balance both as well. The ailerons will move the >>hingepoint rearward and the elevator will use weights in the tips which >>will be attached to the elevator instead of the horizontal stab. I will >>also use a boxed spar in the wing that meets at the center instead of >>bolting on at the outer part of the fuselage. >> >>Dirk Z >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: jaybannist@cs.com >> To: zenith-list@matronics.com >> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 5:11 AM >> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Spreading fear about the XL >> >> >> Roger. >> >> Your A&P did not design the 601HDS. How could he possibly know that >> "this could lead to aileron flutter"? Chris Heintz designed the CH200, >> CH601, CH601HD, CH601HDS, CH601XL, CH701, CH801 and CH750, all without >> aileron balance. The rudder and elevators are not balanced either. >> Control surface flutter is a MAJOR concern of all aircraft designers. If >> he thought his control surface designs could lead to flutter, don't you >> think he would have included some sort of balance? >> >> Exactly how many of these designs (PROPERLY constructed, flown and >> maintained) has experienced VERIFIED aileron flutter? >> >> If you don't trust Chris Heintz, stay away from Chris Heinz designed >> airplanes. Otherwise, COOL IT! >> >> Jay in Dallas >> Do not archive >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Roger & Lina Hill > >> To: zenith-list@matronics.com >> Sent: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 8:50 pm >> Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Spreading fear about the XL >> >> >> Howdy all; >> >> My A&P was looking over my 601HDS and commented that the ailerons were >> not counterbalanced. He said this can lead to aileron flutter. My >> Sonerai had >> balanced ailerons, can someone comment on if the 601XL has balanced >> ailerons and if not, could this result in wing flutter? >> >> Roger >> >> >> >> >>----------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- >> >> From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff >> Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 11:13 AM >> To: zenith-list@matronics.com >> Subject: Zenith-List: Spreading fear about the XL >> >> Friends, neighbors, and fellow Zenith Enthusiasts, >> >> I have received multiple off-list communications about the >> unexplained XL crashes. We now have folks not part of the Zenith >> community spreading "information" about the accidents. As I reported on >> this list then, a group of LSA competitors advanced negative information >> about the XL in person at the September 2007 Zenith Gathering in >> Winchester, Virginia. For my part, I have not heard anything conclusive >> from the entities looking at the design, including the Zenith Builder's >> Analysis Group, Zenith, the NTSB, and European Governments, with two >> exceptions. One is the cable tension advisory and the other is the >> European action. Neither tells us what is happening unless you believe >> that insufficient cable tension is the proper explanation. Others have >> failed to find any design problem despite an extensive review. ZAC >> conducted a second static load test with acceptable results. But the >> impact of all the discussion is becoming clear. In the Second November >> Is! > sue, 2008 of Trade-A-Plane, there are three kits for sale and a completed > aircraft. See page 87. Some advertisements have appeared on this list. > Locally, some builders are making the decision to stop work on their > projects. While all losses of human life are mourned without reservation, > especially losses that need not occur, I believe that we all seek a > rational explanation for these events if one exists, not speculation about > what the facts we know might mean. >> >> So let me call on ZAC, the NTSB, the ZBAG, and all other >> investigators with the standing to make valid conclusions, to report >> whatever they have found or not found at this time in order to limit the >> fear of the 601 XL that is currently spreading through the community. >> They must speak up now before more damage based on fear is done to our >> community. >> >> Please correct me if anyone with standing has provided a >> full explanation of the events that are causing these concerns about the >> XL. >> >> Jeff Davidson >> >> >> >> http://www.matronics.com/contribution< pre> >> >>----------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- >> Email message sent from CompuServe - visit us today at http://www.cs.com >> >> >> > > > > > > http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 04:11:00 PM PST US From: "Carlos Sa" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: machine screws I did some research and found a couple of sources for flat head, 100 degrees (not 82 as I had incorrectly stated), Torx (or 6-lobed) screws (I couldn't find Robertson drive screws): http://www.mutualscrew.com/subcategories.php?pid=1124 They sell in bulk (I think the minimum order is a full 18 wheeler) or packages (of 100). Of course, the 100 degrees is only available in bulk. If I already had problems storing one wing, imagine a truckload of screws. No deal. http://www.microfasteners.com/catalog/standard.cfm?Category=SSC&SubCategory=FCMXS Microfasteners does not have a picture for this particular item, but the description is good enough. At $9.70 for 100 (6-32 x 0.5"), I'll probably give it a shot. I did not try Brazos as their web site is not geared for on-line sales, so I skipped it. I also found an interesting discussion on Matronics, regarding the strength of these screws. A little long, but educational. If you do a "find in page" on "machine screw" you will be taken to one of the last postings, which sums the whole thing up. http://www.matronics.com/archive/archive-get.cgi?RV-Archive.digest.vol-pg Thanks to all that replied, and happy building Carlos 2008/11/25 Carlos Sa > Hello, all > > > I am looking for some information: I am using machine screws MS51959 6-32 > thread ( http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/hapages/ms51959.php ) to > fasten an access panel to its frame. > The frame has several anchor nuts K-1100-06 ( near the bottom of > http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/hapages/anchornuts.php ). > > I find that the Phillips head in general doesn't last long - I much prefer > the ones with a square (Robertson drive) or hex hole. > Do such screws exist? (i.e., 82 degrees head, 6-32 thread with a square or > hex head) > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 05:46:31 PM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Zenith-List: Radio tray All- I'm getting ready to fabricate a radio tray for my HDS (Which doesn't come with one stock) and figure 12" long before I run into my header tank. How wide are the ones that come with XLs? Thanks. Bill Naumuk Townville, Pa. HDS 601MG/Corvair 95% ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 06:31:59 PM PST US From: "Southern Reflections" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601XL passenger seat and baggage shelf dimensions? Jay , I think the ARF mission"s are a great thing,Iam going to join. I've talked to member"s in my EAA 908 chapter and they are going to join I'am going to contact other chapter"s on the east coast of the USA see if we can help generate a good network..Thanks Joe N101HD /601XL/RAM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jay Maynard" Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 7:15 PM Subject: Zenith-List: 601XL passenger seat and baggage shelf dimensions? > > I've volunteered my airplane for Animal Rescue Flights missions, to fly > animals in need of transportation. (Check them out at > http://aviation.meetup.com/95/ .) In order to let them know what to > expect, > I need to know the dimensions of the passenger seat, and the baggage > shelf, > of my Zodiac, so I can let them know how big a crate I can handle. Anyone > have the numbers handy, to save me a trip to the airport? Thanks. > -- > Jay Maynard, K5ZC, PP-ASEL http://www.conmicro.com > http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net > Fairmont, MN (KFRM) (Yes, that's me!) > AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC http://www.tronguy.net/N55ZC.shtml > > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 06:55:56 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: [Probable Spam] Re: Spreading fear about the XL From: "Ron Lendon" Gig, I haven't found anything written either, but I will test the theory and report the results. My plan is to make up some cables, tension them above the requirements and see what happens when I apply a little more pressure, think plucking a guitar string, then check the tension again. If it doesn't change we will know then. -------- Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI WW Corvair with Roy's Garage 5th bearing Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-) http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=216484#216484 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 07:03:02 PM PST US From: Bill Pagan Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Radio tray It's 6 5/16ths- just right for a 6 1/4" radio stack. Bill Pagan EAA Tech Counselor #4395 --- On Wed, 11/26/08, Bill Naumuk wrote: From: Bill Naumuk Subject: Zenith-List: Radio tray All- --- I'm getting ready to fabricate a radio tray for my HDS (Which doesn't-come with-one stock) and figure 12"-long before I run into my header tank. How wide are the ones that com e with XLs? --- Thanks. Bill Naumuk Townville, Pa. HDS 601MG/Corvair 95% =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 07:32:27 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: [Probable Spam] Re: Spreading fear about the XL From: "Sabrina" AC 43.13 7-146 states that our cable terminals and thimble eye splices should be tested to 60% of the cable breaking strengths given in table 7-3. 60% of 1300 = 780lbs? It is not the cable we are testing as much as closing the thimble gap and testing our swaging. They even give a time of 3 minutes as opposed to overnight as some have suggested. CH's letter gives the value he used to pre-load the CH2000 cables (750lbs) His letter also talks about about the guitar string theory of tensioning to 75 and then later, down to 30. http://www.zenair.org/nuke/modules.php?name=News&file=print&sid=17 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=216494#216494 ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 08:33:12 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: [Probable Spam] Re: Spreading fear about the XL From: "Sabrina" Hello all... I don't need "someone posted" e-mails flying while I am trying to make a couple apple pies. I have removed the post as requested. On a more cheerful thought... here is the first part of N5887Q... Happy Thanksgiving! 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