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1. 01:05 AM - Re: Spreading fear about the XL (Jeff)
2. 04:57 AM - Re: Radio tray (Bill Naumuk)
3. 05:23 AM - Corvair engine mount for sale (jhines)
4. 06:34 AM - BING 96 / 64 (Roger & Lina Hill)
5. 07:16 AM - Re: Spreading Trust about the XL (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com)
6. 07:20 AM - Re: Radio tray (george may)
7. 07:44 AM - Re: Radio tray (Bill Pagan)
8. 07:59 AM - Re: Re: 601XL Aileron Balance Fairleads (John Smith)
9. 07:59 AM - Re: Radio tray/Battery cable (Bill Naumuk)
10. 08:09 AM - Re: Radio tray/Battery cable (jaybannist@cs.com)
11. 08:32 AM - Re: Spreading Trust about the XL (Sabrina)
12. 12:53 PM - Dual throttle linkage (Bill Naumuk)
13. 02:14 PM - [Probable Spam] Re: Spreading fear about the XL (Gig Giacona)
14. 02:22 PM - Re: Radio tray (george may)
15. 02:32 PM - Re: [Probable Spam] Re: Spreading fear about the XL (jaybannist@cs.com)
16. 04:05 PM - Jabiru 3300A engine mount (steve)
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| Subject: | Re: Spreading fear about the XL |
Clyde wrote:
"That is all it is, a guess, some of us want to know as much as
possible to avoid mistakes and to build a good solid plane. I think there
has been
some good conversation on the subject of properly tensioning control cables
to avoid the "possibility" of flutter. I agree with building it to plans
and flying within the design limitations but coming to the conclusion that
all of them augured because of exceeding VNE and maneuvering speeds is a
little over the top. From Bill's account, he experienced flutter, and he
wasn't busting any design limits and later found his cables were not
tensioned to spec. This is great information and something we can all learn
from,
in my opinion, that is exactly what this list is for, knowledge. I know I
will buy the tool to check tension and it will be part of my frequent check
list until I determine there is no need to check it quite as frequently."
My real purpose for this post and the resulting thread was to try to prompt
an authority we builders could depend on to make a statement identifying the
problem we are experiencing, if a single one actually exists. So far, there
has been no response, including from the NTSB whom I know is monitoring this
list for now. I guess they are just shy guys and girls afraid to talk out
loud, but their silence creates an environment that encourages whisper
campaigns. On a practical level as aircraft manufacturers and owners, and
since we are without any other input, Clyde has given us a pretty good
summary for this thread. So our attention to cable tension has been
re-established. As has been said a couple times, let's move on, but only
after checking our cables. At least we will make the tool makers happy!
Jeff Davidson
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Thanks, Bill. Happy Thanksgiving.
Bill
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Pagan
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 10:01 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Radio tray
It's 6 5/16ths just right for a 6 1/4" radio stack.
Bill Pagan
EAA Tech Counselor #4395
--- On Wed, 11/26/08, Bill Naumuk <naumuk@alltel.net> wrote:
From: Bill Naumuk <naumuk@alltel.net>
Subject: Zenith-List: Radio tray
To: "zenith list" <zenith-list@matronics.com>
Date: Wednesday, November 26, 2008, 8:45 PM
All-
I'm getting ready to fabricate a radio tray for my HDS
(Which doesn't come with one stock) and figure 12" long before I run
into my header tank. How wide are the ones that come with XLs?
Thanks.
Bill Naumuk
Townville, Pa.
HDS 601MG/Corvair 95%
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| Subject: | Corvair engine mount for sale |
I have a Corvair engine mount that I purchased from William Wynne at "Corvair day"
at the Zenith factory last year. I will sell it for $500. I also have an
engine core but its completely disassembled and not in great shape. I'll take
$50 for it but I wont ship it.
Email me at johnrhines@gmail.com for more information.
Thanks,
John
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Howdy all;
I am still trying to sell my: BING 94 / 64 AIRCRAFT CARBURETOR which is
ALTITUDE COMPENSATING.
This is a German Bing model 94 carburetor, it's the NEW big brother of the
model 64 and has a throttle valve diameter of 42 mm. This is an altitude
compensating, constant depression carburetor for aircraft use. This unit is
similar to the ones used on the Rotax 912 engine, only larger. This
particular carburetor is sized for engines between 60-120 HP and can be
tuned by changing the main jet or needle height (jets are included).
I purchased this unit from Great Plains, they make VW aircraft engines and
it came with my water cooled head type engine. It can be used on
experimental aircraft engines like the corvair or VW or other 4 or 6
cylinder engines under 120 HP. Its is also used on the Jabiru engine. I had
this unit on my Great Plains VW for about a year, and I got it new. It has
about 25 hours of operation on it and it is in perfect operating condition.
After I received the unit form Great Plains, I converted it to a standard
aircraft "fail-open" type throttle operation, which uses a wire control
throttle and a wire control choke.
If anyone is interested, email me back for more info and a special matronics
only price of only $395 !!!!!
Roger Hill
Lawrence Kansas
785-550-3977
thx1139@sunflower.com
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| Subject: | Re: Spreading Trust about the XL |
Folks, just don't test pull them on your planes. The parts and pieces
couldn't take that kind of pull without damage.
**************
Life should be easier.
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Bill--
I forget the exact dimensions on the XL consloe but I do know that it is no
t wide enough to fit radios and transponders. I ended up fabricating my own
panel about 2 inches wider to accommodate an Icom 200 and a Garmin 327
George May
601XL 912s
From: naumuk@alltel.net
Subject: Zenith-List: Radio tray
All-
I'm getting ready to fabricate a
radio tray for my HDS (Which doesn't come with one stock) and figure
12" long before I run into my header tank. How wide are the ones that come
with XLs?
Thanks.
Bill Naumuk
Townville=2C Pa.
HDS 601MG/Corvair
95%
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Hey George,
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What year/version is your plane?- Mine is a QBK I picked up in January 20
08 and the transpnder/radio trays fit right in.
Bill Pagan
EAA Tech Counselor #4395
--- On Thu, 11/27/08, george may <gfmjr_20@hotmail.com> wrote:
From: george may <gfmjr_20@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Radio tray
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Bill--
I forget the exact dimensions on the XL consloe but I do know that it is no
t wide enough to fit radios and transponders. I ended up fabricating my own
panel about 2 inches wider to accommodate an Icom 200 and a Garmin 327
George May
601XL 912s
From: naumuk@alltel.net
Subject: Zenith-List: Radio tray
All-
--- I'm getting ready to fabricate a radio tray for my HDS (Which doe
sn't-come with-one stock) and figure 12"-long before I run into my he
ader tank. How wide are the ones that come with XLs?
--- Thanks.
Bill Naumuk
Townville, Pa.
HDS 601MG/Corvair 95%
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL Aileron Balance Fairleads |
Thanks for all who replied.- Those pictures help quite a bit.- The only
questions I have left are where do the cables rub against the fairleads un
der normal working tension?- It looks like the aileron balance cables rub
the fairleads on the side facing away from the backseat support, and the a
ileron cables rub the fairleads at 6-o'clock (bottom) position.- Am I rig
ht?=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: DaveG601XL <davi
d.m.gallagher@ge.com>=0ATo: zenith-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Wednesday, No
vember 26, 2008 8:20:57 AM=0ASubject: Zenith-List: Re: 601XL Aileron Balanc
allagher@ge.com>=0A=0ALike Craig's pictures show, ZAC has changed the way t
hey do quick builds, but the plans don't seem to have changed to match.-
I talked to Roger about the change and the larger hole on the aileron fairl
ead is meant to allow the entire turnbuckle to be passed through.- I don'
t know why the balance cable does not mimic it.- I took the large hole id
ea and applied it to both cables.- Attached is a picture of my fuselage.
- =0A=0AHope this helps,=0A=0A--------=0ADavid Gallagher=0A601 XL/Jabiru
3300=0AFirst flight 7/24/08=0APhase I flight test complete 10/16/08=0A=0A
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| Subject: | Re: Radio tray/Battery cable |
George-
Tell me about it. I have a couple of spare hours to work on the
project and I'm spinning my wheels. My tray has to accomodate an Icom
200, King transponder and a Dynon D100 slaved compass. Figuring out how
to route the mixture and carb heat cables is another problem. Just
paying my dues, I guess.
I took a good, hard look at things and figured I'd better get all
those coils of wire coming from the tail threaded up front while I still
barely have access. I have a plan for the tail light, elevator trim, ELT
and belly strobe, but I'm stuck on the battery cable. It has to go from
the passenger side aft of the spar to the pilot's side of the firewall
without getting in the way of feet or control cables. I know many
builders ran their battery cables through the consoles but can't readily
find any pictures.
All help appreciated.
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: george may
To: zenith list
Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2008 10:19 AM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Radio tray
Bill--
I forget the exact dimensions on the XL consloe but I do know that it
is not wide enough to fit radios and transponders. I ended up
fabricating my own panel about 2 inches wider to accommodate an Icom 200
and a Garmin 327
George May
601XL 912s
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From: naumuk@alltel.net
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Subject: Zenith-List: Radio tray
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 20:45:41 -0500
All-
I'm getting ready to fabricate a radio tray for my HDS (Which
doesn't come with one stock) and figure 12" long before I run into my
header tank. How wide are the ones that come with XLs?
Thanks.
Bill Naumuk
Townville, Pa.
HDS 601MG/Corvair 95%
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| Subject: | Re: Radio tray/Battery cable |
Bill,
By the way, I ran my throttle, carb heat and mixture control cables between the
radios and the "radio tray."? - Jay
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Naumuk <naumuk@alltel.net>
Sent: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 9:59 am
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Radio tray/Battery cable
George-
??? Tell me about it. I have a couple of
spare hours to work on the project and I'm spinning my wheels. My tray has to
accomodate an Icom 200, King transponder and a Dynon D100 slaved compass.
Figuring out?how to route?the mixture and carb heat cables is another
problem. Just paying my dues, I guess.
??? I took a good, hard look at things and
figured I'd better get all those coils of wire coming from the tail threaded up
front while I still?barely have access. I have a plan for the tail light,
elevator trim,?ELT and belly strobe, but I'm stuck on the battery cable. It
has to go?from the passenger side aft of the spar to the pilot's side of
the firewall without getting in the way of feet or control cables. I?know
many builders ran their battery cables through the consoles but can't readily
find any pictures.
??? All help appreciated.
??? ??? ???
??? ??? ??? ???
??? ??? ??? ???
??? ??? ??? ???
??? ??? ??? Bill
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----- Original Message -----
From:
george
may
Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2008 10:19
AM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Radio
tray
Bill--
I forget the exact dimensions on the XL consloe but I
do know that it is not wide enough to fit radios and transponders. I ended up
fabricating my own panel about 2 inches wider to accommodate an Icom 200 and
a
Garmin 327
George May
601XL 912s
From: naumuk@alltel.net
Subject:
Zenith-List: Radio tray
All-
??? I'm getting ready to fabricate
a radio tray for my HDS (Which doesn't?come with?one stock) and
figure 12"?long before I run into my header tank. How wide are the ones
that come with XLs?
??? Thanks.
Bill Naumuk
Townville, Pa.
HDS
601MG/Corvair 95%
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| Subject: | Re: Spreading Trust about the XL |
Both an electric winch and flexible parking brake cable tension gauge can be purchased
on E-bay for about $100 total. The gauge looks a lot like the one we
use for normal cable tensions but has a handle for leverage. Place a short
run of nylon shield over the cable before swaging, it will protect it from damage
by the gauge. The winch also comes in handy for loading and unloading the
airplane from a trailer. If you have a full face motorcycle helmet, I would
wear that, heavy clothes and welding gloves during testing. It goes without
saying that you use a jeep or your garage for mounting the winch/"other end"
NOT your aircraft and have someone supervise who has done this before.
P.S. For those of you who have written off line about the passing of my grandfather
(he would have been 88 yesterday) I thank you for your concern. He bought
me my C150 for my 10th birthday present. He was a great guy and served this
country well in WWII. I delete my posts routinely. It is my habit. No offense
intended. I post for you guys and the FAA now, not for curious people 10
years from now.
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| Subject: | Dual throttle linkage |
All-
Is there anyone out there who went with dual sticks and has the dual
throttle linkage for sale? If not, how about a part number-Zenith online
parts doesn't show anything. HDS numbers don't work, so I guess it's up
to you XL people.
Thanks.
Bill
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Bill Naumuk
Townville, Pa.
HDS 601MG/Corvair 95%
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| Subject: | Re: [Probable Spam] Re: Spreading fear about the XL |
Ron Lendon wrote:
> Gig,
>
> I haven't found anything written either, but I will test the theory and report
the results. My plan is to make up some cables, tension them above the requirements
and see what happens when I apply a little more pressure, think plucking
a guitar string, then check the tension again. If it doesn't change we will
know then.
Well get to work on that Ron. I'll be mounting wings shortly. :)
--------
W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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Bill-
Finished mine in 2006 and have 240 hours on it. Sounds like maybe they acte
d on some feedback.
George
From: pdn8r@yahoo.com
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Radio tray
Hey George=2C
What year/version is your plane? Mine is a QBK I picked up in January 2008
and the transpnder/radio trays fit right in.
Bill PaganEAA Tech Counselor #4395
--- On Thu=2C 11/27/08=2C george may <gfmjr_20@hotmail.com> wrote:
From: george may <gfmjr_20@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Radio tray
Bill--
I forget the exact dimensions on the XL consloe but I do know that it is no
t wide enough to fit radios and transponders. I ended up fabricating my own
panel about 2 inches wider to accommodate an Icom 200 and a Garmin 327
George May
601XL 912s
From: naumuk@alltel.net
Subject: Zenith-List: Radio tray
All-
I'm getting ready to fabricate a radio tray for my HDS (Which doesn't c
ome with one stock) and figure 12" long before I run into my header tank. H
ow wide are the ones that come with XLs?
Thanks.
Bill Naumuk
Townville=2C Pa.
HDS 601MG/Corvair 95%
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| Subject: | Re: [Probable Spam] Re: Spreading fear about the XL |
Gig,
F.Y.I. - The breaking strength of 1/8" 7x19 galvanized aircraft cable is 2,000
pounds.? We are putting a max of 40 pounds on it. It doesn't sound like we are
overstressing it much, with a safety factor of 50, now does it?? I'm guessing
that the weak link is the nicopress sleeves WE install. If any testing is to
be done, it probably should be on a made up cable with both ends complete.
Jay in Dallas
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-----Original Message-----
From: Gig Giacona <wrgiacona@gmail.com>
Sent: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 4:13 pm
Subject: Zenith-List: [Probable Spam] Re: Spreading fear about the XL
Ron Lendon wrote:
> Gig,
>
> I haven't found anything written either, but I will test the theory and report
the results. My plan is to make up some cables, tension them above the
requirements and see what happens when I apply a little more pressure, think
plucking a guitar string, then check the tension again. If it doesn't change we
will know then.
Well get to work on that Ron. I'll be mounting wings shortly. :)
--------
W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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Gig
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| Subject: | Jabiru 3300A engine mount |
Today I ran my 3300 for the first time.
Only thing I didnt like was the flexing of the engine mount. It really
flexes from side to side.
Do you other 3300 owners have the same situation??
Steve
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