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3. 09:19 AM - Re: Best place to get 6061 (Derek Lewis)
4. 10:16 AM - Re: [Probable Spam] Re: Spreading fear about the XL (steve)
5. 10:21 AM - Re: Longeron (MHerder)
6. 06:08 PM - Nuvite Polish system in Canada (Grant Corriveau)
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| Subject: | Re: [Probable Spam] Re: Spreading fear about the XL |
Jay, I think your remark "We are putting a max of 40 pounds on it." could
be misleading. The max force the control cables will see depends on the force
the pilot puts on the joy stick. The force on the control surfaces at max
deflection times the mechanical advantage for the system would normally be the
max cable force but when the controls have a stop then the pilot becomes the
limiting force, again you have to use the system mechanical advantage. Jerry
of GA Do not archive
In a message dated 11/27/2008 5:33:05 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
jaybannist@cs.com writes:
Gig,
F.Y.I. - The breaking strength of 1/8" 7x19 galvanized aircraft cable is
2,000 pounds. We are putting a max of 40 pounds on it. It doesn't sound like
we are overstressing it much, with a safety factor of 50, now does it? I'm
guessing that the weak link is the nicopress sleeves WE install. If any testing
is to be done, it probably should be on a made up cable with both ends
complete.
Jay in Dallas
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-----Original Message-----
From: Gig Giacona <wrgiacona@gmail.com>
Sent: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 4:13 pm
Subject: Zenith-List: [Probable Spam] Re: Spreading fear about the XL
(mailto:wrgiacona@gmail.com) >
Ron Lendon wrote:
> Gig,
>
> I haven't found anything written either, but I will test the theory and
report
the results. My plan is to make up some cables, tension them above the
requirements and see what happens when I apply a little more pressure, think
plucking a guitar string, then check the tension again. If it doesn't
change we
will know then.
Well get to work on that Ron. I'll be mounting wings shortly. :)
--------
W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at _www.peoamerica.net/N601WR_
(http://www.peoamerica.net/N601WR)
Read this topic online here:
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(http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=216569#216569)
Gig
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| Subject: | Re: [Probable Spam] Re: Spreading fear about the XL |
Maybe I am misleading. OK, say we put 80 pounds on it.? A safety factor of 25.?
Or if you are up to it, 100 pounds.? Still a safety factor of 20.? Most engineering
applications work with a safety factor of 2 or 3.? My point was (and still
is) that we are not anywhere close to challenging the strength of the cable.
It is the terminations we should be concerned about.
Jay in Dallas
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-----Original Message-----
From: Jeyoung65@aol.com
Sent: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 10:22 am
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: [Probable Spam] Re: Spreading fear about the XL
Jay, I think your remark? "We are putting a max of 40 pounds on it."
could be misleading. The max force the control cables will see depends on the
force the pilot puts on the?joy stick. The force on the control surfaces at
max deflection times the mechanical advantage for the system?would normally
be the max cable force but when the controls have a stop then the pilot becomes
the limiting force, again you have to use the system mechanical
advantage.?? Jerry of GA????Do not archive
?
In a message dated 11/27/2008 5:33:05 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
jaybannist@cs.com writes:
Gig,
F.Y.I. - The
breaking strength of 1/8" 7x19 galvanized aircraft cable is 2,000
pounds.? We are putting a max of 40 pounds on it. It doesn't sound like
we are overstressing it much, with a safety factor of 50, now does it??
I'm guessing that the weak link is the nicopress sleeves WE install. If any
testing is to be done, it probably should be on a made up cable with both ends
complete.
Jay in Dallas
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: Gig Giacona
<wrgiacona@gmail.com>
Sent: Thu, 27
Nov 2008 4:13 pm
Subject: Zenith-List: [Probable Spam] Re: Spreading fear
about the XL
Ron Lendon wrote:
> Gig,
>
> I haven't found anything written either, but I will test the theory and report
the results. My plan is to make up some cables, tension them above the
requirements and see what happens when I apply a little more pressure, think
plucking a guitar string, then check the tension again. If it doesn't change we
will know then.
Well get to work on that Ron. I'll be mounting wings shortly. :)
--------
W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=216569#216569
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| Subject: | Re: Best place to get 6061 |
I live in St George, Utah. I've been trying to find somewhere within 300 miles.
Its within my driving distance, and would allow me to pickup my own load.
Thanks,
Derek
-- Paul Mulwitz <psm@att.net> wrote:
Hi Derek,
Shipping is a huge portion of aluminum prices. That means the best
vendor choice depends on where you are located. It also depends on
how much metal you order at one time.
Aircraft Spruce is a good source of small quantities for UPS shipment.
Perhaps you could tell us where you are located and how much aluminum
you plan to buy at each order so we can make an intelligent recommendation.
Paul
XL getting close
At 10:22 AM 11/26/2008, you wrote:
>For anyone who has purchased 6061-t6, or knows where to get
>it. Where is the best and cheapest place you guys and girls have
>found to get it. I have been using Airparts, but I have been
>spending up to $150 a sheet + Shipping. A lower price would allow
>me to get my plane done faster.
>
>Thanks,
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| Subject: | Re: [Probable Spam] Re: Spreading fear about the XL |
Lernt many eons ago to always install two squeezons on cable.
SW
----- Original Message -----
From: jaybannist@cs.com
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 9:57 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: [Probable Spam] Re: Spreading fear about the
XL
Maybe I am misleading. OK, say we put 80 pounds on it. A safety
factor of 25. Or if you are up to it, 100 pounds. Still a safety
factor of 20. Most engineering applications work with a safety factor
of 2 or 3. My point was (and still is) that we are not anywhere close
to challenging the strength of the cable. It is the terminations we
should be concerned about.
Jay in Dallas
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-----Original Message-----
From: Jeyoung65@aol.com
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 10:22 am
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: [Probable Spam] Re: Spreading fear about the
XL
Jay, I think your remark "We are putting a max of 40 pounds on it."
could be misleading. The max force the control cables will see depends
on the force the pilot puts on the joy stick. The force on the control
surfaces at max deflection times the mechanical advantage for the system
would normally be the max cable force but when the controls have a stop
then the pilot becomes the limiting force, again you have to use the
system mechanical advantage. Jerry of GA Do not archive
In a message dated 11/27/2008 5:33:05 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
jaybannist@cs.com writes:
Gig,
F.Y.I. - The breaking strength of 1/8" 7x19 galvanized aircraft
cable is 2,000 pounds. We are putting a max of 40 pounds on it. It
doesn't sound like we are overstressing it much, with a safety factor of
50, now does it? I'm guessing that the weak link is the nicopress
sleeves WE install. If any testing is to be done, it probably should be
on a made up cable with both ends complete.
Jay in Dallas
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: Gig Giacona <wrgiacona@gmail.com>
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 4:13 pm
Subject: Zenith-List: [Probable Spam] Re: Spreading fear about the
XL
Ron Lendon wrote:
> Gig,
>
> I haven't found anything written either, but I will test the theory
and report
the results. My plan is to make up some cables, tension them above the
requirements and see what happens when I apply a little more pressure,
think
plucking a guitar string, then check the tension again. If it doesn't
change we
will know then.
Well get to work on that Ron. I'll be mounting wings shortly. :)
--------
W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=216569#216569
Gig
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Hi guys,
Im at the same point with the same problem on an HD and have the same issues.
The longeron is about 3 mm off of the rear HT frame. Can anybody help.
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| Subject: | Nuvite Polish system in Canada |
Well, after doing a lot of research I'll definitely be shining my
airplane using the Nuvite system. I also found an excellent step-by-
step manual for Sonex owners that is a good "how to."
www.sonexaircraft.com/documents/instruction_sheets/nuvite_polishing.pdf
For anyone in Canada interested in polishing 6061, there is an
official supplier in Toronto and he gave me excellent help - so I'll
pass along his coordinates fyi:
Appreciate your passing on my coordinates to your fellow plane owners
and will be pleased to hear from them. My card is attached which you
can forward on to them by email. Also tell them to visit the Minoo
website www.minoocorporation.com as all the information and downloads
are available off the website.
Keep in touch.
Best Rgds, Ashok
Minoo Corporation
(Nuvite Regional Office)
3-1750 The Queensway, Suite No. 1120
Toronto, ON M9C 5H5
Tel: 416-469-2626 1-866-479-3700
Fax:416-469-8466 Mobile: 416-723-4691
e-mail: ashok@minoocorporation.com
www.minoocorporation.com
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair engine mount for sale |
I posted this and hit the road for the holiday. I really didn't expect a big response
over the holiday. I was wrong. A bunch of people have asked where I
am. I am in NW Arkansas.
I already have a tentative deal with a guy in Dallas. If it falls though I will
post again. Let me know if you need any engine parts.
Thanks,
John
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