---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 11/28/08: 8 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 0. 12:16 AM - Just 3 Days Left - Please Make Your List Contribution Today! (Matt Dralle) 1. 08:23 AM - Re: [Probable Spam] Re: Spreading fear about the XL (Jeyoung65@aol.com) 2. 08:58 AM - Re: [Probable Spam] Re: Spreading fear about the XL (jaybannist@cs.com) 3. 09:19 AM - Re: Best place to get 6061 (Derek Lewis) 4. 10:16 AM - Re: [Probable Spam] Re: Spreading fear about the XL (steve) 5. 10:21 AM - Re: Longeron (MHerder) 6. 06:08 PM - Nuvite Polish system in Canada (Grant Corriveau) 7. 07:53 PM - Re: Corvair engine mount for sale (jhines) ________________________________ Message 0 _____________________________________ Time: 12:16:14 AM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Zenith-List: Just 3 Days Left - Please Make Your List Contribution Today! There are only three days left until the end of this year's List Fund Raiser. Please take a minute to show your support as so many others have this year and make sure YOUR name is on the forthcoming List of Contributors 2008! Its quick and easy using the secure web site with a credit card or PayPal: http://www.matronics.com/contribution or by sending your personal check to: Matronics Lists c/o Matt Dralle PO Box 347 Livermore, CA 94551-0347 (Please write your email address on the check!) Thank you in advance for your support of these List services! Matt Dralle Matronics Email and Forum Administrator ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 08:23:12 AM PST US From: Jeyoung65@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: [Probable Spam] Re: Spreading fear about the XL Jay, I think your remark "We are putting a max of 40 pounds on it." could be misleading. The max force the control cables will see depends on the force the pilot puts on the joy stick. The force on the control surfaces at max deflection times the mechanical advantage for the system would normally be the max cable force but when the controls have a stop then the pilot becomes the limiting force, again you have to use the system mechanical advantage. Jerry of GA Do not archive In a message dated 11/27/2008 5:33:05 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, jaybannist@cs.com writes: Gig, F.Y.I. - The breaking strength of 1/8" 7x19 galvanized aircraft cable is 2,000 pounds. We are putting a max of 40 pounds on it. It doesn't sound like we are overstressing it much, with a safety factor of 50, now does it? I'm guessing that the weak link is the nicopress sleeves WE install. If any testing is to be done, it probably should be on a made up cable with both ends complete. Jay in Dallas Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: Gig Giacona Sent: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 4:13 pm Subject: Zenith-List: [Probable Spam] Re: Spreading fear about the XL (mailto:wrgiacona@gmail.com) > Ron Lendon wrote: > Gig, > > I haven't found anything written either, but I will test the theory and report the results. My plan is to make up some cables, tension them above the requirements and see what happens when I apply a little more pressure, think plucking a guitar string, then check the tension again. If it doesn't change we will know then. Well get to work on that Ron. I'll be mounting wings shortly. :) -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at _www.peoamerica.net/N601WR_ (http://www.peoamerica.net/N601WR) Read this topic online here: _http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=216569#216569_ (http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=216569#216569) Gig ____________________________________ Email message sent from CompuServe - visit us today at _http://www.cs.com_ (http://www.cs.com/) (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List) **************Finally, one site has it all: your friends, your email, your favorite sites. Try the NEW AOL.com. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:58:48 AM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: [Probable Spam] Re: Spreading fear about the XL From: jaybannist@cs.com Maybe I am misleading. OK, say we put 80 pounds on it.? A safety factor of 25.? Or if you are up to it, 100 pounds.? Still a safety factor of 20.? Most engineering applications work with a safety factor of 2 or 3.? My point was (and still is) that we are not anywhere close to challenging the strength of the cable. It is the terminations we should be concerned about. Jay in Dallas Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: Jeyoung65@aol.com Sent: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 10:22 am Subject: Re: Zenith-List: [Probable Spam] Re: Spreading fear about the XL Jay, I think your remark? "We are putting a max of 40 pounds on it." could be misleading. The max force the control cables will see depends on the force the pilot puts on the?joy stick. The force on the control surfaces at max deflection times the mechanical advantage for the system?would normally be the max cable force but when the controls have a stop then the pilot becomes the limiting force, again you have to use the system mechanical advantage.?? Jerry of GA????Do not archive ? In a message dated 11/27/2008 5:33:05 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, jaybannist@cs.com writes: Gig, F.Y.I. - The breaking strength of 1/8" 7x19 galvanized aircraft cable is 2,000 pounds.? We are putting a max of 40 pounds on it. It doesn't sound like we are overstressing it much, with a safety factor of 50, now does it?? I'm guessing that the weak link is the nicopress sleeves WE install. If any testing is to be done, it probably should be on a made up cable with both ends complete. Jay in Dallas Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: Gig Giacona Sent: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 4:13 pm Subject: Zenith-List: [Probable Spam] Re: Spreading fear about the XL Ron Lendon wrote: > Gig, > > I haven't found anything written either, but I will test the theory and report the results. My plan is to make up some cables, tension them above the requirements and see what happens when I apply a little more pressure, think plucking a guitar string, then check the tension again. If it doesn't change we will know then. Well get to work on that Ron. I'll be mounting wings shortly. :) -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=216569#216569 Gig Email message sent from CompuServe - visit us today at http://www.cs.com ://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution f="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List .matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com Finally, one site has it all: your friends, your email, your favorite sites.=emlcntaolcom00000006">Try The NEW AOL.com. ________________________________________________________________________ Email message sent from CompuServe - visit us today at http://www.cs.com ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:19:19 AM PST US From: "Derek Lewis" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Best place to get 6061 I live in St George, Utah. I've been trying to find somewhere within 300 miles. Its within my driving distance, and would allow me to pickup my own load. Thanks, Derek -- Paul Mulwitz wrote: Hi Derek, Shipping is a huge portion of aluminum prices. That means the best vendor choice depends on where you are located. It also depends on how much metal you order at one time. Aircraft Spruce is a good source of small quantities for UPS shipment. Perhaps you could tell us where you are located and how much aluminum you plan to buy at each order so we can make an intelligent recommendation. Paul XL getting close At 10:22 AM 11/26/2008, you wrote: >For anyone who has purchased 6061-t6, or knows where to get >it. Where is the best and cheapest place you guys and girls have >found to get it. I have been using Airparts, but I have been >spending up to $150 a sheet + Shipping. A lower price would allow >me to get my plane done faster. > >Thanks, ____________________________________________________________ Don't risk your health! Click now for professional mold remediation! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2231/fc/PnY6rc1E9BjwsPQGfynyGrxjwEnRJdQuLOwewdskmyn6eAuYo78E6/ ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:16:13 AM PST US From: "steve" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: [Probable Spam] Re: Spreading fear about the XL Lernt many eons ago to always install two squeezons on cable. SW ----- Original Message ----- From: jaybannist@cs.com To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 9:57 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: [Probable Spam] Re: Spreading fear about the XL Maybe I am misleading. OK, say we put 80 pounds on it. A safety factor of 25. Or if you are up to it, 100 pounds. Still a safety factor of 20. Most engineering applications work with a safety factor of 2 or 3. My point was (and still is) that we are not anywhere close to challenging the strength of the cable. It is the terminations we should be concerned about. Jay in Dallas Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: Jeyoung65@aol.com To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 10:22 am Subject: Re: Zenith-List: [Probable Spam] Re: Spreading fear about the XL Jay, I think your remark "We are putting a max of 40 pounds on it." could be misleading. The max force the control cables will see depends on the force the pilot puts on the joy stick. The force on the control surfaces at max deflection times the mechanical advantage for the system would normally be the max cable force but when the controls have a stop then the pilot becomes the limiting force, again you have to use the system mechanical advantage. Jerry of GA Do not archive In a message dated 11/27/2008 5:33:05 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, jaybannist@cs.com writes: Gig, F.Y.I. - The breaking strength of 1/8" 7x19 galvanized aircraft cable is 2,000 pounds. We are putting a max of 40 pounds on it. It doesn't sound like we are overstressing it much, with a safety factor of 50, now does it? I'm guessing that the weak link is the nicopress sleeves WE install. If any testing is to be done, it probably should be on a made up cable with both ends complete. Jay in Dallas Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: Gig Giacona To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 4:13 pm Subject: Zenith-List: [Probable Spam] Re: Spreading fear about the XL Ron Lendon wrote: > Gig, > > I haven't found anything written either, but I will test the theory and report the results. My plan is to make up some cables, tension them above the requirements and see what happens when I apply a little more pressure, think plucking a guitar string, then check the tension again. If it doesn't change we will know then. Well get to work on that Ron. I'll be mounting wings shortly. :) -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=216569#216569 Gig ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- Email message sent from CompuServe - visit us today at http://www.cs.com ://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution f="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List">http://www.matronics .com/Navigator?Zenith-List .matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Finally, one site has it all: your friends, your email, your favorite sites.=emlcntaolcom00000006">Try The NEW AOL.com. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:21:35 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Longeron From: "MHerder" Hi guys, Im at the same point with the same problem on an HD and have the same issues. The longeron is about 3 mm off of the rear HT frame. Can anybody help. -------- One Rivet at a Time! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=216705#216705 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:08:17 PM PST US From: Grant Corriveau Subject: Zenith-List: Nuvite Polish system in Canada Well, after doing a lot of research I'll definitely be shining my airplane using the Nuvite system. I also found an excellent step-by- step manual for Sonex owners that is a good "how to." www.sonexaircraft.com/documents/instruction_sheets/nuvite_polishing.pdf For anyone in Canada interested in polishing 6061, there is an official supplier in Toronto and he gave me excellent help - so I'll pass along his coordinates fyi: Appreciate your passing on my coordinates to your fellow plane owners and will be pleased to hear from them. My card is attached which you can forward on to them by email. Also tell them to visit the Minoo website www.minoocorporation.com as all the information and downloads are available off the website. Keep in touch. Best Rgds, Ashok Minoo Corporation (Nuvite Regional Office) 3-1750 The Queensway, Suite No. 1120 Toronto, ON M9C 5H5 Tel: 416-469-2626 1-866-479-3700 Fax:416-469-8466 Mobile: 416-723-4691 e-mail: ashok@minoocorporation.com www.minoocorporation.com ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:53:41 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Corvair engine mount for sale From: "jhines" I posted this and hit the road for the holiday. I really didn't expect a big response over the holiday. I was wrong. A bunch of people have asked where I am. I am in NW Arkansas. I already have a tentative deal with a guy in Dallas. If it falls though I will post again. Let me know if you need any engine parts. 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