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1. 01:02 AM - Initial Flight Test crew (Grant Corriveau)
2. 04:21 AM - Re: On a Positive Note- Teens Build a Zodiac (DaveG601XL)
3. 05:07 AM - Re: Re: Jabiru 3300A engine mount (steve)
4. 07:37 AM - Re: Re: On a Positive Note- Teens Build a Zodiac (Juan Vega)
5. 07:37 AM - Re: Re: On a Positive Note- Teens Build a Zodiac (Juan Vega)
6. 07:38 AM - Re: Re: On a Positive Note- Teens Build a Zodiac (Juan Vega)
7. 07:39 AM - Re: Re: On a Positive Note- Teens Build a Zodiac (Juan Vega)
8. 08:11 AM - Re: Initial Flight Test crew (Peter Chapman)
9. 09:26 AM - Re: Aircraft Control Cable (to stretch or not) (Gary Gower)
10. 09:46 AM - Re: On a Positive Note- Teens Build a Zodiac (Gig Giacona)
11. 10:17 AM - Re: Jabiru 3300A engine mount (DaveG601XL)
12. 10:24 AM - Re: On a Positive Note- Teens Build a Zodiac (Sabrina)
13. 11:08 AM - Re: Re: Jabiru 3300A engine mount (steve)
14. 11:27 AM - Re: On a Positive Note- Teens Build a Zodiac (Gig Giacona)
15. 12:08 PM - Re: Re: On a Positive Note- Teens Build a Zodiac (Juan Vega)
16. 02:18 PM - Re: Re: Jabiru 3300A engine mount (n801bh@netzero.com)
17. 03:13 PM - Re: Dual throttle linkage (Tim Juhl)
18. 03:26 PM - Re: Re: Jabiru 3300A engine mount (steve)
19. 03:33 PM - Re: Jabiru 3300A engine mount (Sabrina)
20. 03:40 PM - Re: Re: Dual throttle linkage (Bill Naumuk)
21. 03:46 PM - Re: Re: Jabiru 3300A engine mount (Craig Payne)
22. 03:56 PM - Re: Re: Dual throttle linkage (Craig Payne)
23. 04:28 PM - Re: Re: Dual throttle linkage (Bill Naumuk)
24. 04:28 PM - Re: Re: Dual throttle linkage (Bill Naumuk)
25. 06:09 PM - Angle Drill Attachments (Dave VanLanen)
26. 06:25 PM - Re: Angle Drill Attachments (jaybannist@cs.com)
27. 07:58 PM - Re: Re: ch701 Plans ()
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| Subject: | Initial Flight Test crew |
I did my initial flight test with two pilots. My wife is listed as a
builder of the aircraft along with myself. And she also holds a
commercial pilot license. The Canadian rule (at the time at least)
specified that only the required crew-members are allowed on board
during the test flights - or words to that effect. The wording
certainly did not specify how many that might be. And as we were the
builders and test-pilots we decided that two was the right number.
It was helpful having her along in the right seat to work the radio,
record parameters, run the video camera, and even change a fuse for
me when a trim was not working. And it was perfectly legal if you
actually read the rule as it was written.
Just a 'for what it's worth' for non-USA aircraft. Read the rules
carefully and make your decision accordingly.
Grant
GHTF
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| Subject: | Re: On a Positive Note- Teens Build a Zodiac |
My operating limitations document states "During the flight test phase, no person
may be carried in this aircraft during flight unless that person is essential
to the purpose of the flight." This, by no means, shuts the door on carrying
a second person.
Although some FAA Inspectors and DAR's may be emphatic in their interpretation
that an experimental amateur built airplane has no essential purpose that would
warrant a second person in the aircraft, some do not. My inspector was more
accommodating and he spent several minutes giving my examples of where, in his
opinion, I should consider a second person. My brother's DAR (different region),
on the other hand, took the hard line view and said only one person for
40 hours, period.
Your mileage may vary!
--------
David Gallagher
601 XL/Jabiru 3300
First flight 7/24/08
Phase I flight test complete 10/16/08
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| Subject: | Re: Jabiru 3300A engine mount |
Thanks Dave
You can check this before start up. Just grab the prop when its horizontal
and give it a pushpull. Mine, I can see the tip of the spinner move about
3/4 of an inch left and right. Eddie in Austrialia checked his and his was
"sloppy" also. Must be normal
----- Original Message -----
From: "DaveG601XL" <david.m.gallagher@ge.com>
Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 9:45 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Jabiru 3300A engine mount
>
> Steve,
>
> I can't say that I have ever noticed any Jabiru engine movement that
> concerned me. But I have been in the cockpit for every second that my
> engine has run so it is only one point of view.
>
> I will look closer the next time I do run it.
>
> --------
> David Gallagher
> 601 XL/Jabiru 3300
> First flight 7/24/08
> Phase I flight test complete 10/16/08
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=217172#217172
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: On a Positive Note- Teens Build a Zodiac |
Sabrina,
To answer your question, no I cannot, its not my plane. Secondly this was a unique
situation that does not apply to your situation, and rubbing an FAA guy the
wrong way by showing him what happened in another area is not the way you or
I want to go. The situation was unique and called for special authorization
and we got it.
to be brief, 60 kids built it, its registered to a school.
-----Original Message-----
>From: Sabrina <chicago2paris@msn.com>
>Sent: Dec 2, 2008 12:12 AM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Zenith-List: Re: On a Positive Note- Teens Build a Zodiac
>
>
>Dear Juan,
>
>Can you please send to me via e-mail or post a copy of the 'authorization' and
the 'special airworthiness certificate' allowing two on board for the one touch
and go.
>
>Did the first flight with the canopy open count? Did you require a second authorization
for next take-off?
>
>I am positive that the Great Lakes Region will consider allowing me the same privileges
they granted you if they see it in writing or can contact the "FAA regional
head" you were dealing with. Kinda like once one FSDO OKs a field install,
the rest will normally follow suit. Was it Mr. Sturgell? Mr. Murphy?
Both? That is so cool!
>
>Even if it was only POINT 1 hours, I could always say I flew part of the Phase
1. This is GREAT NEWS!
>
>Thanking you in advance,
>
>Sabrina
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=217280#217280
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: On a Positive Note- Teens Build a Zodiac |
Sabrina,
To answer your question, no I cannot, its not my plane. Secondly this was a unique
situation that does not apply to your situation, and rubbing an FAA guy the
wrong way by showing him what happened in another area is not the way you or
I want to go. The situation was unique and called for special authorization
and we got it.
to be brief, 60 kids built it, its registered to a school.
-----Original Message-----
>From: Sabrina <chicago2paris@msn.com>
>Sent: Dec 2, 2008 12:12 AM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Zenith-List: Re: On a Positive Note- Teens Build a Zodiac
>
>
>Dear Juan,
>
>Can you please send to me via e-mail or post a copy of the 'authorization' and
the 'special airworthiness certificate' allowing two on board for the one touch
and go.
>
>Did the first flight with the canopy open count? Did you require a second authorization
for next take-off?
>
>I am positive that the Great Lakes Region will consider allowing me the same privileges
they granted you if they see it in writing or can contact the "FAA regional
head" you were dealing with. Kinda like once one FSDO OKs a field install,
the rest will normally follow suit. Was it Mr. Sturgell? Mr. Murphy?
Both? That is so cool!
>
>Even if it was only POINT 1 hours, I could always say I flew part of the Phase
1. This is GREAT NEWS!
>
>Thanking you in advance,
>
>Sabrina
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=217280#217280
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: On a Positive Note- Teens Build a Zodiac |
Thanxs but it was not my program, the brains behind the project is Barrington Irving,
check out his website, experience aviation.com. All I did was support
in various ways, help build, help allocate, fly. the rest the group of kids
did.
Juan
-----Original Message-----
>From: Gig Giacona <wrgiacona@gmail.com>
>Sent: Dec 1, 2008 10:59 PM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Zenith-List: Re: On a Positive Note- Teens Build a Zodiac
>
>
>Juan you didn't get enough credit in the story. In fact you got so little that
I didn't even realize it was your program.
>
>You are lucky that you have an FAA regional head that understands that the rules
need to get modified from time to time to "promote aviation" which is one of
the stated goals of the FAA.
>
>--------
>W.R. "Gig" Giacona
>601XL Under Construction
>See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=217272#217272
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: On a Positive Note- Teens Build a Zodiac |
Thanxs but it was not my program, the brains behind the project is Barrington Irving,
check out his website, experience aviation.com. All I did was support
in various ways, help build, help allocate, fly. the rest the group of kids
did.
Juan
-----Original Message-----
>From: Gig Giacona <wrgiacona@gmail.com>
>Sent: Dec 1, 2008 10:59 PM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Zenith-List: Re: On a Positive Note- Teens Build a Zodiac
>
>
>Juan you didn't get enough credit in the story. In fact you got so little that
I didn't even realize it was your program.
>
>You are lucky that you have an FAA regional head that understands that the rules
need to get modified from time to time to "promote aviation" which is one of
the stated goals of the FAA.
>
>--------
>W.R. "Gig" Giacona
>601XL Under Construction
>See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=217272#217272
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Initial Flight Test crew |
At 04:00 02-12-08, you wrote:
>
>I did my initial flight test with two pilots. My wife is listed as a
>builder of the aircraft along with myself. And she also holds a
>commercial pilot license. The Canadian rule (at the time at least)
>specified that only the required crew-members are allowed on board
>during the test flights - or words to that effect. The wording
Being in Canada (like Grant), I asked Transport Canada about 2 crew
in 1999 and they specifically said no. It was a general "no", not
based on the level of pilot qualifications. My dad and I are both on
the data plate as builders too.
I pretty much had their refusal on paper and not just verbally:
The Operating Limitations form they then sent me for the initial
operating period is a standard form, from which certain items are
marked as applicable. So something like "acrobatic flight is
prohibited" was in force. The item which read "Essential flight crew
members only - no passenger" was not in force. (Perhaps Grant had
that one in force? Then one can make that argument that two pilots
are essential for safety.)
What was in force was another line which said "Carriage of persons
other than for dual instruction is prohibited" -- and unlike anything
else in the document, the author had underlined that it in pen.
Who knows whether the answer might have been different for someone
else at another time and place.
Other than for the first couple flights my dad and I went ahead with
two aboard anyway. One flies, one monitors the gauges more closely
and does the flight test engineer thing.
I have heard a few times over the years how pilots in the US did get
specific approval for a 2nd qualified crew member from their local
FAA office, based on whatever wording the FAA uses about "crew".
Peter Chapman
Toronto, ON
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| Subject: | Re: Aircraft Control Cable (to stretch or not) |
Hello Jerry,
-
That IS a good story about how serious is to build an aircraft project.-
-
For all of us is very important to double check everything.- Also somethi
ng that has work in our area,- is to have a day every month (first Thursd
ay) of the month to visit a building project, we all check the airplane aro
und and tell the builder about any detail we find.-- Has worked great,
we hads found several scary details that were rebuilt or repaired.-- So
metimes we go over some serious details without notice, because we did them
and see them every day, without watching them.
-
Thank you very much for your post.
-
Saludos
Gary Gower.
--- On Mon, 12/1/08, jerry Shepaed <jshep00@centurytel.net> wrote:
From: jerry Shepaed <jshep00@centurytel.net>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Aircraft Control Cable (to stretch or not)
<jshep00@centurytel.net>
I have a scary story to tell about control cables:
I used a very expensive nicropress tool to do my cables for my 701, used th
e
gauge and thought all was well.
One day before my first flight, I had my shoulders up in the access hole in
the
bottom of the airplane, stressed one of the cables for the elevator and it
let
loose!!!!---Needless to say I was really dumbfounded and worried as to what
had
happened. I later found out after I had built some test cables and placed
them
under a load of 1500# , that I had used the wrong gauge . I would recommen
d
that everyone who makes up cables test and verify their process. May the an
gels
watch over you as they did me. I am quite certain that a 701 is very diffic
ult
to fly with only elevator trim for control. Jerry Shepard.Original Message
-----
From: "Ron Lendon" <rlendon@comcast.net>
Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 4:44 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Aircraft Control Cable (to stretch or not)
<rlendon@comcast.net>
>
> FYI
>
> Today I called my mentor and asked about stretch in the cables. After
much listening I came away with the realization that I won't be conducting
a
pre-stretch because that has already happened in the manufacturing process.
>
> He did however maintain that checking the tension periodically is
necessary. The major factors effecting the tension are temperature variati
on
from the last check and wear of the fair leads/pulleys.
>
> Comparing the expansion coefficients of both:
>
> Aluminum 12.3
> Steel 7.3
>
> You can see Aluminum expands and contracts 5 times that of Steel. So if
you tension your cables on an 80 degree day you can bet they will need it a
gain
on a 0 degree day in the winter. Just some thoughts.
>
> I checked the cable I got from ACS and it is MIL-DTL-83420 with a red an
d
gold filament.
>
>
>
>> There are two easy identification methods that may help you identify
aircraft control cable:
>>
>> (1) All MIL-DTL-83420 contains a two-color tracer filament embeded
within the cable that identifies the manufacturer,
>> (2) All MIL-DTL-83420 cable sold on a shipping real must contain the
identification number of the manufacturing reel. (All MIL-DTL-83420 cable i
s
lubricated with a corrosion inhibiter.)
>>
>
>
> So Gig, Don't wait for me to set up a test. Keep building.
>
> --------
> Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI
> WW Corvair with Roy's Garage 5th bearing
> Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-)
> http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=216912#216912
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: On a Positive Note- Teens Build a Zodiac |
Sabrina wrote:
>
> Even if it was only POINT 1 hours, I could always say I flew part of the Phase
1. This is GREAT NEWS!
>
> Thanking you in advance,
>
> Sabrina
Sabrina, I think a letter from you to the Administrator (preferably handed to him
by one or more of your congressmen) explaining your situation might well get
you in the airplane during at least part of the Phase 1.
If anyone should receive special consideration in this issue it is you.
--------
W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=217361#217361
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| Subject: | Re: Jabiru 3300A engine mount |
OK, I see your point now. You are talking about static flexing in the rubber mount
pieces. I have noticed this movement also and check it on pre-flight inspections
too see if it has changed from flight to flight. I have checked the
security of the mount bolts that squash the rubber a couple of times and they
still are torqued correctly.
Good luck on your engine runs!
--------
David Gallagher
601 XL/Jabiru 3300
First flight 7/24/08
Phase I flight test complete 10/16/08
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=217364#217364
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| Subject: | Re: On a Positive Note- Teens Build a Zodiac |
It's OK Juan, you are the pioneer here and I thank you for being that.
I think the proper salutation is Sir Barrington or Barrington Irving, C.D.
You are hanging with a good crowd: The Hon. Administrator, The Hon. Regional Administrator,
even knights!
Hope to meet you this Spring.
P.S. My surviving grandfather tells me that 40 years before, to the day of your
flight, my mother and he escaped Havana/Castro's Regime by flying into the SAME
airport you flew the EA airplane!
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=217365#217365
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| Subject: | Re: Jabiru 3300A engine mount |
So here is my story today.
The movement of the engine in the rubber mounts doesnt bother me. I see
that in all aircraft engines. My issue is in the steel tubes. The two
upper steel engine mounts from the firewall to the aluminum mount plate on
the engine.
have quite a bit of movement . I assume they should "flex" somewhat but
how much.
One Jabiru rep says its normal. The other seems to think not....
OK, I ll go along with that. However I ve been building aircraft since 1967
and have never noticed this much movement in other aircraft mounts.....
I might be picking the pepper out of the fly S#@t, we will see...
----- Original Message -----
From: "DaveG601XL" <david.m.gallagher@ge.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 11:17 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Jabiru 3300A engine mount
>
> OK, I see your point now. You are talking about static flexing in the
> rubber mount pieces. I have noticed this movement also and check it on
> pre-flight inspections too see if it has changed from flight to flight. I
> have checked the security of the mount bolts that squash the rubber a
> couple of times and they still are torqued correctly.
>
> Good luck on your engine runs!
>
> --------
> David Gallagher
> 601 XL/Jabiru 3300
> First flight 7/24/08
> Phase I flight test complete 10/16/08
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=217364#217364
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: On a Positive Note- Teens Build a Zodiac |
Sabrina wrote:
>
>
> I think the proper salutation is Sir Barrington or Barrington Irving, C.D.
>
That's all well and good unless he wants a federal job or in the military.
See US Constitution Article 1 Section 9.
--------
W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=217373#217373
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| Subject: | Re: On a Positive Note- Teens Build a Zodiac |
same place my father flew into as well. It was called operation Peter Pan, put
on by the CIA at the time.
Juan
-----Original Message-----
>From: Sabrina <chicago2paris@msn.com>
>Sent: Dec 2, 2008 1:23 PM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Zenith-List: Re: On a Positive Note- Teens Build a Zodiac
>
>
>It's OK Juan, you are the pioneer here and I thank you for being that.
>
>I think the proper salutation is Sir Barrington or Barrington Irving, C.D.
>
>You are hanging with a good crowd: The Hon. Administrator, The Hon. Regional Administrator,
even knights!
>
>Hope to meet you this Spring.
>
>P.S. My surviving grandfather tells me that 40 years before, to the day of your
flight, my mother and he escaped Havana/Castro's Regime by flying into the SAME
airport you flew the EA airplane!
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=217365#217365
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Jabiru 3300A engine mount |
That is a major concern in my book.. Are the welds ok? Did this mount c
ome partially fabricated and needing additional welding once the motor i
s mounted and thrust angles set? Keep us posted on the results please.
do not archive
Ben Haas
N801BH
www.haaspowerair.com
-- "steve" <notsew_evets@frontiernet.net> wrote:
>
So here is my story today.
The movement of the engine in the rubber mounts doesnt bother me. I see
that in all aircraft engines. My issue is in the steel tubes. The two
upper steel engine mounts from the firewall to the aluminum mount plate
on
the engine.
have quite a bit of movement . I assume they should "flex" somewhat bu
t
how much.
One Jabiru rep says its normal. The other seems to think not....
OK, I ll go along with that. However I ve been building aircraft since
1967
and have never noticed this much movement in other aircraft mounts.....
I might be picking the pepper out of the fly S#@t, we will see...
----- Original Message -----
From: "DaveG601XL" <david.m.gallagher@ge.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 11:17 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Jabiru 3300A engine mount
com>
>
> OK, I see your point now. You are talking about static flexing in the
> rubber mount pieces. I have noticed this movement also and check it o
n
> pre-flight inspections too see if it has changed from flight to flight
. I
> have checked the security of the mount bolts that squash the rubber a
> couple of times and they still are torqued correctly.
>
> Good luck on your engine runs!
>
> --------
> David Gallagher
> 601 XL/Jabiru 3300
> First flight 7/24/08
> Phase I flight test complete 10/16/08
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=217364#217364
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Dual throttle linkage |
Jabiru USA offers a dual throttle setup that might work for you.
Tim
--------
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CFII
Champ L16A flying
Zodiac XL - Jabiru 3300A
Working on fuselage
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| Subject: | Re: Jabiru 3300A engine mount |
My engine mount came totally finished (except paint).
At the firewall and at the rubber shock mounts its fine. I just dont
like the flexing...... which is in the top two steel tubes....
I m asking all Jabiru / 601XL builders and pilots to check their side to
side "play". Watch the tip of the spinner and let us know how much it
moves side to side...
With the prop in the horizontal position, grab the blades and do a
push/pull.
Thanks......
SW
----- Original Message -----
From: n801bh@netzero.com
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 3:15 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Jabiru 3300A engine mount
That is a major concern in my book.. Are the welds ok? Did this mount
come partially fabricated and needing additional welding once the motor
is mounted and thrust angles set? Keep us posted on the results please.
do not archive
Ben Haas
N801BH
www.haaspowerair.com
-- "steve" <notsew_evets@frontiernet.net> wrote:
<notsew_evets@frontiernet.net>
So here is my story today.
The movement of the engine in the rubber mounts doesnt bother me. I
see
that in all aircraft engines. My issue is in the steel tubes. The
two
upper steel engine mounts from the firewall to the aluminum mount
plate on
the engine.
have quite a bit of movement . I assume they should "flex" somewhat
but
how much.
One Jabiru rep says its normal. The other seems to think not....
OK, I ll go along with that. However I ve been building aircraft
since 1967
and have never noticed this much movement in other aircraft
mounts.....
I might be picking the pepper out of the fly S#@t, we will see...
----- Original Message -----
From: "DaveG601XL" <david.m.gallagher@ge.com>
To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 11:17 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Jabiru 3300A engine mount
<david.m.gallagher@ge.com>
>
> OK, I see your point now. You are talking about static flexing in
the
> rubber mount pieces. I have noticed this movement also and check it
on
> pre-flight inspections too see if it has changed from flight to
flight. I
> have checked the security of the mount bolts that squash the rubber
a
> couple of times and they still are torqued correctly.
>
> Good luck on your engine runs!
>
> --------
> David Gallagher
> 601 XL/Jabiru 3300
> First flight 7/24/08
> Phase I flight test complete 10/16/08
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=217364#217364
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| Subject: | Re: Jabiru 3300A engine mount |
Steve,
I remember grabbing the factory 601XL aircraft engine at a light sport fly in at
Lewis University. That engine moved back and forth like you would not believe.
Fine if you are running on all cylinders.
When I got my Zenith O-200A mount, I mounted it to the wall and mounted the engine
to it. It would swing 10 degrees further either way compared to the same
engine in my C150L. I compared the C150 0-200A mount to the one Zenith supplied
me with and fabricated a horseshoe similar to that which Cessna had, but that
I was missing. You can grab the C150's or my engine now and both feel the
same. 1/4 x 4 2024 T4 bar stock. It was run past Zenith, an IA and several
others. It does a good job dampening engine vibrations.
You can see it at minute 6:06 of this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blVmHo_8bmA
This was my first modification--I was only 12, it was early 2006 and I did not
have the airframe kit yet so I had a lot of time on my hands. Some had suggested
just welding a steel horseshoe in place. The MISO walked away from my 2008
inspection joking that they may require AMD to do it or something similar.
So too, they liked the fact that I added a prop spacer and moved the cowling
3 inches forward to allow the use of FAA/PMA plugs rather than the automotive
plugs discussed in the most recent NTSB report. (Not shown in this particular
2007 video.)
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| Subject: | Re: Dual throttle linkage |
Tim-
Thanks. I have the Rotax plans and the raw material ordered. I'm trying
to find out what adjustments have to be made for a Corvair/MA3SPA setup.
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Juhl" <juhl@avci.net>
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 6:12 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Dual throttle linkage
>
> Jabiru USA offers a dual throttle setup that might work for you.
>
> Tim
>
> --------
> ______________
> CFII
> Champ L16A flying
> Zodiac XL - Jabiru 3300A
> Working on fuselage
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=217402#217402
>
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| Subject: | Re: Jabiru 3300A engine mount |
"Fine if you are running on all cylinders"
One difference compared to the O-200 is that the Jabiru 3300 is a 6 cylinder
engine. I am guessing the piston travel is shorter too.
As I recall folks flying Corvairs in 601XLs (also a six cylinder engine but
with a bed mount) have lost a cylinder and found the vibration manageable.
-- Craig
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sabrina
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 4:33 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Jabiru 3300A engine mount
Steve,
I remember grabbing the factory 601XL aircraft engine at a light sport fly
in at Lewis University. That engine moved back and forth like you would not
believe. Fine if you are running on all cylinders.
When I got my Zenith O-200A mount, I mounted it to the wall and mounted the
engine to it. It would swing 10 degrees further either way compared to the
same engine in my C150L. I compared the C150 0-200A mount to the one
Zenith supplied me with and fabricated a horseshoe similar to that which
Cessna had, but that I was missing. You can grab the C150's or my engine
now and both feel the same. 1/4 x 4 2024 T4 bar stock. It was run past
Zenith, an IA and several others. It does a good job dampening engine
vibrations.
You can see it at minute 6:06 of this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blVmHo_8bmA
This was my first modification--I was only 12, it was early 2006 and I did
not have the airframe kit yet so I had a lot of time on my hands. Some had
suggested just welding a steel horseshoe in place. The MISO walked away
from my 2008 inspection joking that they may require AMD to do it or
something similar. So too, they liked the fact that I added a prop spacer
and moved the cowling 3 inches forward to allow the use of FAA/PMA plugs
rather than the automotive plugs discussed in the most recent NTSB report.
(Not shown in this particular 2007 video.)
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=217406#217406
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| Subject: | Re: Dual throttle linkage |
As I recall William Wynne's 601XL used a custom dual throttle mixing rod on
the crew side of the firewall. But I don't have any good pictures of it.
What does his 601/Corvair installation manual show?
-- Craig
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Naumuk
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 4:40 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Dual throttle linkage
Tim-
Thanks. I have the Rotax plans and the raw material ordered. I'm trying
to find out what adjustments have to be made for a Corvair/MA3SPA setup.
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Juhl" <juhl@avci.net>
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 6:12 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Dual throttle linkage
>
> Jabiru USA offers a dual throttle setup that might work for you.
>
> Tim
>
> --------
> ______________
> CFII
> Champ L16A flying
> Zodiac XL - Jabiru 3300A
> Working on fuselage
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=217402#217402
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Dual throttle linkage |
Oh, yeah.
do not archive
yet...
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Naumuk" <naumuk@alltel.net>
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 7:26 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Dual throttle linkage
> Craig-
> I think he used an Ellison, linkage on the engine side of the firewall.
> That's what the manual pictures I've found show. Probably wouldn't be much
> difference since they're both similarly mounted, but no dimensions given.
>
> Bill
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 6:55 PM
> Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Dual throttle linkage
>
>
>>
>> As I recall William Wynne's 601XL used a custom dual throttle mixing rod
>> on
>> the crew side of the firewall. But I don't have any good pictures of it.
>> What does his 601/Corvair installation manual show?
>>
>> -- Craig
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Naumuk
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 4:40 PM
>> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Dual throttle linkage
>>
>>
>> Tim-
>> Thanks. I have the Rotax plans and the raw material ordered. I'm
>> trying
>> to find out what adjustments have to be made for a Corvair/MA3SPA setup.
>>
>>
>> Bill
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Tim Juhl" <juhl@avci.net>
>> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 6:12 PM
>> Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Dual throttle linkage
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Jabiru USA offers a dual throttle setup that might work for you.
>>>
>>> Tim
>>>
>>> --------
>>> ______________
>>> CFII
>>> Champ L16A flying
>>> Zodiac XL - Jabiru 3300A
>>> Working on fuselage
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=217402#217402
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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| Subject: | Re: Dual throttle linkage |
Craig-
I think he used an Ellison, linkage on the engine side of the firewall.
That's what the manual pictures I've found show. Probably wouldn't be much
difference since they're both similarly mounted, but no dimensions given.
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 6:55 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Dual throttle linkage
>
> As I recall William Wynne's 601XL used a custom dual throttle mixing rod
> on
> the crew side of the firewall. But I don't have any good pictures of it.
> What does his 601/Corvair installation manual show?
>
> -- Craig
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Naumuk
> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 4:40 PM
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Dual throttle linkage
>
>
> Tim-
> Thanks. I have the Rotax plans and the raw material ordered. I'm trying
> to find out what adjustments have to be made for a Corvair/MA3SPA setup.
>
>
> Bill
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tim Juhl" <juhl@avci.net>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 6:12 PM
> Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Dual throttle linkage
>
>
>>
>> Jabiru USA offers a dual throttle setup that might work for you.
>>
>> Tim
>>
>> --------
>> ______________
>> CFII
>> Champ L16A flying
>> Zodiac XL - Jabiru 3300A
>> Working on fuselage
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=217402#217402
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Angle Drill Attachments |
I'm planning to purchase an angle drill attachment for getting into tight
spaces. I noticed that there are the "regular" right-angle drill
attachments, and then there are snake right-angle drill attachments
available as well. Has anyone used both a "regular" right-angle drill
attachment and a snake right-angle drill attachment, and if so, which do you
prefer?
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| Subject: | Re: Angle Drill Attachments |
I used the heck out of a right angle drill attachment from "Tight Fit Tools
".=C2- It has threaded drill shanks and a variety of=C2- drill bits. Obv
iously, the real short ones are the most useful in tight places=C2- The on
ly drawback is that you have to hold the shaft with one hand to keep it from
spinning and the angle part with the other hand to guide the drill. That is
sometimes awkward, but I seem to have overcome it. Their web site: http://t
ight-fit-tools.stores.yahoo.net/
Jay in Dallas
-----Original Message-----
From: Dave VanLanen <davevanlanen@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 8:08 pm
Subject: Zenith-List: Angle Drill Attachments
I=99m planning to purchase an angle drill attachment for getting into
tight spaces.=C2- I noticed that there are the =9Cregular=9D r
ight-angle drill attachments, and then there are snake right-angle drill att
achments available as well.=C2- Has anyone used both a =9Cregular
=9D right-angle drill attachment and a snake right-angle drill attachm
ent, and if so, which do you prefer?
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On the other hand, he has an advantage most of us don't have, that of
free experience. Having spent most of my time building two airplanes,
one for the trash and one for the ramp ( I suspect there are a lot of us
out there), I would encourage him to take all the scrap aluminum sheet
he can find, and build as many parts as he can, build as much of the
airframe as he can, and then return them to the scrap yard after
comparing his handiwork with what the plans specify. He can then learn
how it's done, appreciate the precision required, develop a feel for the
work AT NO COST, and when he's ready, get on with the real thing. Call
it a self-apprenticeship. Even better, if there's an EAA chapter nearby,
he can get a critique before diving in.
Paul Rodriguez
601XL/Corvair
----- Original Message -----
From: jaybannist@cs.com<mailto:jaybannist@cs.com>
To: zenith-list@matronics.com<mailto:zenith-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 12:49 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: ch701 Plans
Bob,
I agree. However, I don't think this young man understands the
serious nature of this project he wants to undertake. 1) Building an
airplane is absolutely not like building a kid's pedal car from scrap
aluminum, 2) An airplane design is a VERY complicated thing, not to be
"thumb-ruled" or "by guess and by goshed", 3) Unless it is the proper
alloy and temper (6061-T6 or 2024-T4), scrap aluminum has no place in an
airplane, 4) simply oversizing does not ensure safety, 5) a haphazard
approach to constructing an airplane can result in DEATH.
I feel that Steven's approach to this project is MUCH too casual and
is potentially dangerous. I am afraid for him.
I would like to encourage Steven to do some serious study and
investigation about airplane building before attempting to build an
airplane from a tattered, out of date, partial set of design drawings,
trying to guess at the missing parts and adlibbing with available
materials, simply because they are available.
Jay In Dallas
-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Collins <bobcollins42@gmail.com>
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 12:17 pm
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: ch701 Plans
<bobcollins42@gmail.com<mailto:bobcollins42@gmail.com>>
I'm sorry, but sarcasm doesn't convey well in text. We have a naive
and confused young man who would very much like to build something and I
would hope that he might get some useful advice but, at worst, he
shouldn't be made fun of.
Bob Collins
CH750 plans waiting
Flydog1966@aol.com<mailto:Flydog1966@aol.com> wrote:
> That's an excellent idea.
> > In a message dated 12/1/2008 11:28:31 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> gotosteven@HOTMAIL.COM<mailto:gotosteven@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
>
> <gotosteven@hotmail.com<mailto:gotosteven@hotmail.com>>
>
> thanks for the great advise i do realize you guys are worried when
> i say scrap, but that is why i am oversizeing many things as
> possible eg if it says 0.25 i use 0.40 if it says 1 L bracket i
> will put 2 back to back as for the bolts i will be purchaseing the
> proper ones i also have very nice plates of alluminim like 1/2
> inch thick and 3/4 inch thick i am sure will be usefull as well
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
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