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1. 05:31 AM - Re: Seat Foam (Ken)
2. 06:19 AM - Seat foam (Ron DeWees)
3. 08:43 AM - Re: Cable Tensiometer (John Reinking)
4. 09:33 AM - Re: Cable Tensiometer (Craig Payne)
5. 09:46 AM - Re: Solenoid mounting (Bill Naumuk)
6. 09:55 AM - MA3-SPA Throttle bellcrank (Bill Naumuk)
7. 12:20 PM - Fw: posting on matronics about corrosion (Bill Naumuk)
8. 03:12 PM - Re: MA3-SPA Throttle bellcrank (Gig Giacona)
9. 03:50 PM - Re: Cable Tensiometer (JohnDRead@aol.com)
10. 04:07 PM - Re: posting on matronics about corrosion (bcchurch)
11. 04:43 PM - Re: Re: posting on matronics about corrosion (jaybannist@cs.com)
12. 06:01 PM - Re: Re: posting on matronics about corrosion (Bill Naumuk)
13. 06:11 PM - Corrosion (Bill Naumuk)
14. 06:13 PM - Re: Re: MA3-SPA Throttle bellcrank (Bill Naumuk)
15. 06:22 PM - Re: Corrosion (JohnDRead@aol.com)
16. 06:40 PM - Making battery cables (Bill Naumuk)
17. 08:58 PM - Re: Corrosion (Craig Payne)
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Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=217897#217897
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Hi Rick,
I went thru this same problem a few years back and bought $150 worth of
foam and started laminating and gluing it into a monster block. Then I
got a local upholsterer to look at it. It would have been hundreds more
to get it upholstered. A few weeks later I was at Aircraft Spruce and
saw their "booster seats" by Nelson in the showroom and had a brain
storm (fart) and bought two of them. I unzipped the side and bottom
panel and replaced the cheap white foam with memory foam. The vendors
of memory foam usually sell exactly the same size of pad as the original
ones that come in the seats.
It saved me hundreds of bucks and looks nice, and ended my
upholstery problems. You just set the booster in the seat pan directly
over the bare metal. You can get to the access area behind the seats
easily, and by adding or removing foam it's adjustable for height and
back support. Here is the link to the cushion boosters:
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/pspages/booster.php. They
come in a nice conservative gray color and you can put more or less foam
in them to customize a lumbar support or increase the butt cushioning.
One of mine is a little thicker in the seat area so I just swap cushions
with the passenger if that works better.
Good luck
Ron
N601TD
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| Subject: | Re: Cable Tensiometer |
Tried looking on this site for additional informative guides for the
XL but was blocked (You are forbidden...). Anyone know if this can
be accessed? Or how?
John R
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| Subject: | Cable Tensiometer |
Yeah, weird - I get the same thing if I try to go to www.zenairulm.com
Try starting here: http://www.zenairulm.com/Home
-- Craig
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Reinking
Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 9:42 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Cable Tensiometer
Tried looking on this site for additional informative guides for the
XL but was blocked (You are forbidden...). Anyone know if this can
be accessed? Or how?
John R
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| Subject: | Re: Solenoid mounting |
Dirk-
Good. Couldn't understand why people would add the weight of a
bracket to keep them upright, as many did.
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: Dirk Zahtilla
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 12:20 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Solenoid mounting
Nope
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Naumuk
To: zenith list
Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 5:15 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Solenoid mounting
All-
Every solenoid mount I've seen has been with the unit
perpendicular to the line of flight. Is there anything wrong with
mounting it on it's back?
Bill Naumuk
Townville, Pa.
HDS 601MG/Corvair 95%
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| Subject: | MA3-SPA Throttle bellcrank |
All-
Still fishing for the positioning of the uprights for the throttle
bellcrank when using an MA3-SPA carb. If anyone is flying this
configuration, let me know. If not, I'll wait until the engine is
mounted in order to determine the numbers.
Bill Naumuk
Townville, Pa.
HDS 601MG/Corvair 95%
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| Subject: | Fw: posting on matronics about corrosion |
All-
I received an extremely well performed analysis of the corrosion
present on nearly all of the sheet skins, but only the sheet skins,
included with my HDS kit. As best as I can remember, they were at the
bottom of the shipping container. Ben should be given an atta-boy
unprecedented in the list! The analysis is too big to post, so please
contact me for a copy.
This is total speculation, but to my mind, the significant factor is
the presence of a high concentration of calcium. Road "Salt" isn't
SODIUM chloride any more, it's CALCIUM chloride.
My kit was delivered in February, which is the height of snow season
in my region. Thus, my hypothesis is at some time in the loading process
from the hub to the final carrier, the shipping container came into
contact with "Road salt". I'm guessing the container was offloaded onto
a pile of slush before being onloaded onto the next carrier.
Bottom line? Have your kit delivered in the summer. I lost thousands
of dollars worth of components and don't have a tinker's chance in Hell
of recovering the expense after all this time.
At least I have a good idea of how it happened. Sort of like parents who
found out who murdered their child 5 years ago.
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: Benjamin Church
Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 1:05 PM
Subject: Re: posting on matronics about corrosion
Hi Bill,
Sorry this took so long. I've finally gotten some data together on the
corrosion sample you sent me. I prepared everything in the attached pdf
file. If you want, feel free to forward this on to the Matronics list.
Your call.
If you have any questions / comments / criticisms, please drop me an
email.
Best Regards,
Ben
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From: Bill Naumuk <naumuk@alltel.net>
Sent: Saturday, November 8, 2008 8:50:33 AM
Subject: Re: posting on matronics about corrosion
Ben-
I don't have any of the paper that covered the sheet, but I do have
some of the paper which covered my welded fitments. I don't know for
sure if they're the same, but I can't see Zenith stocking different
types of kraft paper to wrap different parts.
A sample of the sheet and of the paper are going out to you today.
I've separated them to avoid possible cross contamination.
In my estimation, you're an example of what every lister should
strive to be. Someone committed to finding a logical engineering
solution to a problem rather than one who endlessly speculates. Thanks
for your efforts for the Z builder community.
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Naumuk
To: Benjamin Church
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 6:47 PM
Subject: Re: posting on matronics about corrosion
No, I don't. Sorry
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: Benjamin Church
To: Bill Naumuk
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 10:24 PM
Subject: Re: posting on matronics about corrosion
Bill,
If you have some of the original paper - send that too. I have some
myself which is probably the same thing but the best bet would be to
have the same paper that was on the corroded skins...
- Ben
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From: Bill Naumuk <naumuk@alltel.net>
To: Benjamin Church <bcchurch@yahoo.com>
Cc: zenith list <zenith-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 6, 2008 5:20:28 PM
Subject: Re: posting on matronics about corrosion
Ben-
Will do.The interesting thing is, the finished wings are still
in the same basement with no corrosion- they're visible in the pictures
I posted. The only problem I've ever had was with the stuff that came
with the kit. Can the paper make that much of a difference?
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: Benjamin Church
To: naumuk@alltel.net
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 9:22 PM
Subject: posting on matronics about corrosion
Howdy Bill,
Saw your posting on the Zenith list
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=50611
I was wondering if you might have a piece of that corroded
aluminum left over. If you do, would you be willing to cut a piece of
the worst-looking stuff and send it to me? Something the size of a
business card or so would be plenty. If you send me some, I'll take it
to work and do some analysis that might tell you what caused the
corrosion. I'd be able to tell if it was biological, humidity, or
caused by something else. I'm a materials engineer and so I have access
to all kinds of analysis equipment at work. No guarantee I'll find a
solid answer, but my time and effort is free so all you have to loose is
a piece of corroded aluminum!
I'm storing some parts in my basement, some in the living room,
and some in the garage. I've been curious about corrosion during
storage and so you're problem could provide some good evidence.
Let me know.
Regards,
Ben Church
CH801 - working on the wings
507 Melvin Ave
Racine, WI 53402
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| Subject: | Re: MA3-SPA Throttle bellcrank |
You can go without the bellcrank. Most throttle and mixture cables are can deal
with MUCH more than the 180 degree turn required.
naumuk(at)alltel.net wrote:
> All-
> Still fishing for the positioning of the uprights for the throttle bellcrank
when using an MA3-SPA carb. If anyone is flying this configuration, let
me know. If not, I'll wait until the engine is mounted in order to determine
the numbers.
> Bill Naumuk
> Townville, Pa.
> HDS 601MG/Corvair 95%
>
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601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | Re: Cable Tensiometer |
If you have a plan set number you should be able to access the site.
John Read
Phone: 303-648-3261
Fax: 303-648-3262
Cell: 719-494-4567
In a message dated 12/6/2008 9:43:57 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,
reinkings@comcast.net writes:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: John Reinking <reinkings@comcast.net>
Tried looking on this site for additional informative guides for the
XL but was blocked (You are forbidden...). Anyone know if this can
be accessed? Or how?
John R
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| Subject: | Re: posting on matronics about corrosion |
Here is a copy of the report I sent to Bill. Sorry about the large file size -
for some reason the PDF didn't reduce the file size all that much.
Regards,
Ben
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Ben Church
CH801
Racine, WI
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| Subject: | Re: posting on matronics about corrosion |
Ben, Bill,
I think it would be a good idea to see that Zenith gets a copy of this report.
Jay in Dallas
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: bcchurch <bcchurch@yahoo.com>
Sent: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 6:06 pm
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: posting on matronics about corrosion
Here is a copy of the report I sent to Bill. Sorry about the large file size -
for some reason the PDF didn't reduce the file size all that much.
Regards,
Ben
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Ben Church
CH801
Racine, WI
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| Subject: | Re: posting on matronics about corrosion |
Jay-
I agree. I'll try to forward it to them.
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: jaybannist@cs.com
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 7:42 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: posting on matronics about corrosion
Ben, Bill,
I think it would be a good idea to see that Zenith gets a copy of this
report.
Jay in Dallas
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: bcchurch <bcchurch@yahoo.com>
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 6:06 pm
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: posting on matronics about corrosion
Here is a copy of the report I sent to Bill. Sorry about the large file
size -
for some reason the PDF didn't reduce the file size all that much.
Regards,
Ben
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Ben Church
CH801
Racine, WI
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=217965#217965
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All-
Has anyone actually been able to see Ben's report? It's a memory hog
and took forever to send even in its most condensed form, but vital
information for every lister.
I supposedly sent the full length version to Zenith but have no idea
whether it went through.
If there's anyone who couldn't receive a version of the report,
contact me and I'll be happy to forward a copy to you.
Good building!
Bill Naumuk
Townville, Pa.
HDS 601MG/Corvair 95%
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| Subject: | Re: MA3-SPA Throttle bellcrank |
Gig-
Unless you have a header tank in the way.
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gig Giacona" <wrgiacona@gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 6:11 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: MA3-SPA Throttle bellcrank
>
> You can go without the bellcrank. Most throttle and mixture cables are can
> deal with MUCH more than the 180 degree turn required.
>
>
> naumuk(at)alltel.net wrote:
>> All-
>> Still fishing for the positioning of the uprights for the throttle
>> bellcrank when using an MA3-SPA carb. If anyone is flying this
>> configuration, let me know. If not, I'll wait until the engine is
>> mounted in order to determine the numbers.
>> Bill Naumuk
>> Townville, Pa.
>> HDS 601MG/Corvair 95%
>>
>
>
> --------
> W.R. "Gig" Giacona
> 601XL Under Construction
> See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=217958#217958
>
>
>
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Hi Bill;
I have not seen the report. If you send me a copy, I have a fast
connection, so size should not matter, I'll make sure the Zenith guys get a copy.
John Read do not archive
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| Subject: | Making battery cables |
All-
Some people are probably getting pissed at me posting solutions for
simple problems, but I think they'll save a lot of time for the average
builder. Or in my case, the SPED builder. This is a combination of ideas
from listers that ends in an excellent installation:
MAKING BATTERY CABLES:
1. Crimp the terminal using your NicoPress tool. (Tony Graziano).
2. Solder the connection using rosin core and a low flame from a
propane torch. (Jay Bannister).
3. Cover the joint using the appropriate ACS boot. (William Wynne).
Looks like a factory job, doesn't it?
People, this website is an amazing resource. Use it, don't pollute
it.
Good building!
Bill Naumuk
Townville, Pa.
HDS 601MG/Corvair 95%
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I was able to view all 8 pages of the PDF.
-- Craig
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Naumuk
Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 7:10 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Corrosion
All-
Has anyone actually been able to see Ben's report? It's a memory hog and
took forever to send even in its most condensed form, but vital information
for every lister.
I supposedly sent the full length version to Zenith but have no idea
whether it went through.
If there's anyone who couldn't receive a version of the report, contact
me and I'll be happy to forward a copy to you.
Good building!
Bill Naumuk
Townville, Pa.
HDS 601MG/Corvair 95%
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