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1. 01:05 AM - Re: Seat Foam (TxDave)
2. 05:30 AM - Re: Seat Foam (kmccune)
3. 06:12 AM - Re: Re: Seat Foam (jaybannist@cs.com)
4. 06:13 AM - Re: Corrosion (Bill Naumuk)
5. 06:18 AM - Corrosion (BobbyPaulk@comcast.net)
6. 07:15 AM - Re: Re: Seat Foam (Bryan Martin)
7. 07:23 AM - Corrosion followup thoughts (Bill Naumuk)
8. 07:34 AM - Re: Re: Seat Foam (Bill Naumuk)
9. 07:43 AM - Corrosion motive (Bill Naumuk)
10. 07:49 AM - Re: Scott Laughlin's Fuel Covers (ashontz)
11. 07:51 AM - Chat Room Reminder For "Digesters" (George Race)
12. 07:55 AM - Re: Corrosion followup thoughts (jaybannist@cs.com)
13. 07:57 AM - Re: Re: Seat Foam (jaybannist@cs.com)
14. 08:24 AM - Re: Corrosion (Jerry Latimer)
15. 09:01 AM - Re: Re: Seat Foam (Bill Naumuk)
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This is an example of why this forum is so important. I really appreciate all of
the good responses and ideas on this topic.
Dave Clay
Temple, TX
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How well does this conform to the curved bottom of the seat pan?
Do you have any pictures of this, the one at AS is not very good?
Kevin
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rdewees(at)mindspring.com wrote:
> A few weeks later I was at Aircraft Spruce and
> saw their "booster seats" by Nelson in the showroom and had a brain
> storm (fart) and bought two of them. I unzipped the side and bottom
> panel and replaced the cheap white foam with memory foam. The vendors
> of memory foam usually sell exactly the same size of pad as the original
> ones that come in the seats..
> Good luck
> Ron
> N601TD
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I didn't use? the ACS pads, but here is how I made mine fit the bottom seat pan.?
I kerfed a piece of 1/4" plywood, pressed it down in the seat pan and filled
the kerfs with epoxy. When the epoxy dried, the plywood retained the shape
of the pan.? Then I glued the foam to the plywood.? The seat covers are from Pep
Boys.
Jay in Dallas
-----Original Message-----
From: kmccune <kmccune@somtel.net>
Sent: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 7:30 am
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Seat Foam
How well does this conform to the curved bottom of the seat pan?
Do you have any pictures of this, the one at AS is not very good?
Kevin
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rdewees(at)mindspring.com wrote:
> A few weeks later I was at Aircraft Spruce and
> saw their "booster seats" by Nelson in the showroom and had a brain
> storm (fart) and bought two of them. I unzipped the side and bottom
> panel and replaced the cheap white foam with memory foam. The vendors
> of memory foam usually sell exactly the same size of pad as the original
> ones that come in the seats..
> Good luck
> Ron
> N601TD
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that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail
away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream.
Discover.
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John-
Some can, some can't. I think the file made it through to Zenith
because it didn't bounce. I'll personally send you the file anyway.
Bill
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Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 9:22 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Corrosion
Hi Bill;
I have not seen the report. If you send me a copy, I have a
fast connection, so size should not matter, I'll make sure the Zenith
guys get a copy.
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We picked up 2 fast build kits that came into Tampa.
they sat on the dock for 2 to 3 weeks before customs could open them up. they had
salt water puddles on the aluminum sheets and a very thick powdered insecticide
( probably corrosive as well ) sprayed on everything. we had to wear a dust
mask to open the containers. luckily we opened the paper covering and saw the
corrosion early. we were able to clean it with phosphoric acid solution and
get it itched and primed before it got serious.
Bobby Paulk
N131BP
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I built a mock-up of the seat out of plywood and scrap aluminum sheet
and built up my seat foam on the mock-up. When you glue the layers of
foam together in the mock-up, they will retain the shape of the seat
bottom. My seats are just the foam covered with cloth upholstery. The
seat bottom sits directly on the aluminum seat pan. I filled in the
gaps at the sides of the aluminum sheet seat pan with high density
poly foam to get a consistent surface the full width of the seat
bottom and used a sheet of 3/16 plywood for the seat back.
>
> How well does this conform to the curved bottom of the seat pan?
> Do you have any pictures of this, the one at AS is not very good?
>
> Kevin
> do not archive
>
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Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL,
RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.
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| Subject: | Corrosion followup thoughts |
All-
I remember other people also reporting corrosion on their parts. If
Ben were willing to test corrosion samples from those builders we could
verify that calcium was the common root cause of the corrosion. Of
course, it could be sodium for builders in coastal states. Simply put,
salt in any form.
One corrective action would be a heavy gauge form fit bag lining the
shipping crate but that creates a problem of its own. If the bag is
airtight, you run the risk of condensation. My gut feeling is that you
can ventilate top of the bag, but how much ventilation is necessary?
Also, does the solution have to contact the metal in a liquid form, or
can it be airborne? If it can be airborne, we're in trouble.
This could be a case of where the root cause is relatively easy to
identify but not so the solution. First things first. Ben, you up to
doing a little more government work?
Bill Naumuk
Townville, Pa.
HDS 601MG/Corvair 95%
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Jay-
Uh, I always thought the tires were supposed to go on the OUTSIDE of
the plane.
You know I'm kidding- good ideas.
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: jaybannist@cs.com
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 9:11 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Seat Foam
I didn't use the ACS pads, but here is how I made mine fit the bottom
seat pan. I kerfed a piece of 1/4" plywood, pressed it down in the seat
pan and filled the kerfs with epoxy. When the epoxy dried, the plywood
retained the shape of the pan. Then I glued the foam to the plywood.
The seat covers are from Pep Boys.
Jay in Dallas
-----Original Message-----
From: kmccune <kmccune@somtel.net>
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 7:30 am
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Seat Foam
How well does this conform to the curved bottom of the seat pan?
Do you have any pictures of this, the one at AS is not very good?
Kevin
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rdewees(at)mindspring.com wrote:
> A few weeks later I was at Aircraft Spruce and
> saw their "booster seats" by Nelson in the showroom and had a brain
> storm (fart) and bought two of them. I unzipped the side and bottom
> panel and replaced the cheap white foam with memory foam. The vendors
> of memory foam usually sell exactly the same size of pad as the
original
> ones that come in the seats..
> Good luck
> Ron
> N601TD
--------
Mark Twain: Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the
things
that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the
bowlines. Sail
away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore.
Dream.
Discover.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=217998#217998
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| Subject: | Corrosion motive |
All-
Please realize that I'm not out to blame Zenith for their packaging
procedures- in some ways I think they're overkill. My motivation is to
get to the root cause of the problem, fix it, and save future builders
some grief and expense.
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Bill Naumuk
Townville, Pa.
HDS 601MG/Corvair 95%
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| Subject: | Re: Scott Laughlin's Fuel Covers |
I'm n the process of making my tanks right now. I'm going to use a 4.5 inch ploycarb
deckplate (boat product) and will back the leading edge skin some .040 under
where the deckplate will mount. I did some design work on my tank and figure
I can mount the full filler as well as the vent fitting, sending unit and
ground all at one location under the deckplate. My fuel sender will be mounted
on the filler neck (also a boat product) and will be removable right along with
the filler neck. That left me with just two welds not including the seams,
the outlet fitting and the drain fitting, both of which are complete and now all
I have to do is weld the seams to complete my first tank. I figured if I have
to have a gasket in the tank (the original being where the sending unit would
have gone on the side of the tank, I'd rather have that gasket on top, not
on the side). So basically whereever the fuel will sit will be welds, the only
gasket being on the top.
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Andy Shontz
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CH601XL - Corvair
www.mykitlog.com/ashontz
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| Subject: | Re: Corrosion followup thoughts |
Just to add some data:
I build from component kits. All the fabricated metal I received from ZAC was free
of corrosion.? When I received a shipping crate, I unloaded the parts I needed
immediately.? The rest was stored outside, in the crate, covered with Visqueen.
I got no corrosion.? With each component kit, I got a lot of scrap aluminum.?
About 25% of that had a surface haze on it.? That haze was fairly easily
removed with Scotchbrite.
I stored my completed wings outdoors on a rack covered with a tarp for about two
years. When I uncovered them to do painting, I found a lot of what looked like
water spots.? It was verry spotty corrosion. I could not detect any pitting.?
It was not that difficult to remove with Scotchbrite, but it took a long time
because there was so much of it.? The worst of it was where the tarp made contact
with the metal. The only moisture that the wings were subject to had to
be condensation. In Dallas, I don't think there would be any possibiity of salt
products contaminating the condensation.
Jay in Dallas
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Naumuk <naumuk@alltel.net>
Sent: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 9:23 am
Subject: Zenith-List: Corrosion followup thoughts
All-
??? I remember other people also
reporting corrosion on their parts. If Ben were willing to test corrosion
samples from those builders we could verify that calcium was the common root
cause of the corrosion. Of course, it could be sodium for builders in coastal
states. Simply put, salt in any form.
????One corrective action would
be?a heavy gauge form fit bag lining the shipping crate?but
that?creates a problem of its own. If the bag is airtight, you run the risk
of condensation. My gut feeling is that you can ventilate top of the bag,
but?how much ventilation?is necessary? Also, does the solution have to
contact the metal in a liquid form, or can it be airborne? If it can be
airborne, we're in trouble.
??? This could be a case of where
the?root cause?is relatively easy to identify but not so the
solution.??First things first. Ben, you up to doing a little more
government work?
???
Bill Naumuk
Townville, Pa.
HDS 601MG/Corvair
95%
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You've never seen a retractable XL ? (:>O
Jay
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Naumuk <naumuk@alltel.net>
Sent: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 9:34 am
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Seat Foam
Jay-
??? Uh, I always thought the tires
were supposed to go on the OUTSIDE of the plane.
??? You know I'm kidding- good
ideas.
??? ???
??? ??? ??? ???
??? ??? ??? ???
??? ??? ??? ???
??? ??? ??? Bill
----- Original Message -----
From:
jaybannist@cs.com
Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 9:11
AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Seat
Foam
I didn't use? the ACS
pads, but here is how I made mine fit the bottom seat pan.? I kerfed a
piece of 1/4" plywood, pressed it down in the seat pan and filled the kerfs
with epoxy. When the epoxy dried, the plywood retained the shape of the
pan.? Then I glued the foam to the plywood.? The seat covers are
from Pep Boys.
Jay in Dallas
-----Original Message-----
From: kmccune
<kmccune@somtel.net>
Sent: Sun, 7
Dec 2008 7:30 am
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Seat Foam
How well does this conform to the curved bottom of the seat pan?
Do you have any pictures of this, the one at AS is not very good?
Kevin
do not archive
rdewees(at)mindspring.com wrote:
> A few weeks later I was at Aircraft Spruce and
> saw their "booster seats" by Nelson in the showroom and had a brain
> storm (fart) and bought two of them. I unzipped the side and bottom
> panel and replaced the cheap white foam with memory foam. The vendors
> of memory foam usually sell exactly the same size of pad as the original
> ones that come in the seats..
> Good luck
> Ron
> N601TD
--------
Mark Twain: Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things
that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail
away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream.
Discover.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=217998#217998
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Bill,
I was able to read it. It was a very professional report.
Jerry
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[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Naumuk
Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 7:10 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Corrosion
All-
Has anyone actually been able to see Ben's report? It's a memory hog and
took forever to send even in its most condensed form, but vital information
for every lister.
I supposedly sent the full length version to Zenith but have no idea
whether it went through.
If there's anyone who couldn't receive a version of the report, contact
me and I'll be happy to forward a copy to you.
Good building!
Bill Naumuk
Townville, Pa.
HDS 601MG/Corvair 95%
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Jay-
See what you've started? Now someone will come up with a mod.
Bill
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----- Original Message -----
From: jaybannist@cs.com
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 10:57 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Seat Foam
You've never seen a retractable XL ? (:>O
Jay
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Naumuk <naumuk@alltel.net>
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 9:34 am
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Seat Foam
Jay-
Uh, I always thought the tires were supposed to go on the OUTSIDE
of the plane.
You know I'm kidding- good ideas.
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: jaybannist@cs.com
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 9:11 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Seat Foam
I didn't use the ACS pads, but here is how I made mine fit the
bottom seat pan. I kerfed a piece of 1/4" plywood, pressed it down in
the seat pan and filled the kerfs with epoxy. When the epoxy dried, the
plywood retained the shape of the pan. Then I glued the foam to the
plywood. The seat covers are from Pep Boys.
Jay in Dallas
-----Original Message-----
From: kmccune <kmccune@somtel.net>
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 7:30 am
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Seat Foam
How well does this conform to the curved bottom of the seat pan?
Do you have any pictures of this, the one at AS is not very good?
Kevin
do not archive
rdewees(at)mindspring.com wrote:
> A few weeks later I was at Aircraft Spruce and
> saw their "booster seats" by Nelson in the showroom and had a brain
> storm (fart) and bought two of them. I unzipped the side and bottom
> panel and replaced the cheap white foam with memory foam. The vendors
> of memory foam usually sell exactly the same size of pad as the
original
> ones that come in the seats..
> Good luck
> Ron
> N601TD
--------
Mark Twain: Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the
things
that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the
bowlines. Sail
away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore.
Dream.
Discover.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=217998#217998
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