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1. 12:26 AM - List of Contributors 2008 (Matt Dralle)
2. 03:03 AM - 601 Header Tank (Peter W Johnson)
3. 04:47 AM - Non building related Question - Hand guns (4RCSIMMONS@comcast.net (Rich Simmons))
4. 05:02 AM - Re: Fuel sending units (ashontz)
5. 05:04 AM - Re: Non building related Question - Hand guns (Jay Maynard)
6. 05:12 AM - Re: Non building related Question - Hand guns (Paul Mulwitz)
7. 05:18 AM - Re: Fuel sending units (ashontz)
8. 06:00 AM - Re: Non building related Question - Hand guns (Eric Tiethoff (HCCNet))
9. 06:12 AM - Re: Non building related Question - Hand guns (jaybannist@cs.com)
10. 06:13 AM - Chat Room Reminder (George Race)
11. 06:25 AM - Re: Non building related Question - Hand guns (ashontz)
12. 06:34 AM - Re: MA3-SPA Throttle bellcrank (Gig Giacona)
13. 07:04 AM - Re: First Flight - Canopy for sale (Ray Griffith)
14. 07:12 AM - Fw: Wade's Grandaughter (wade jones)
15. 07:22 AM - Re: Re: Non building related Question - Hand guns (William Dominguez)
16. 07:26 AM - Re: Non building related Question - Hand guns (Bryan Martin)
17. 07:31 AM - Re: Non building related Question - Hand guns (Juan Vega)
18. 07:33 AM - Re: Re: First Flight - Canopy for sale (Juan Vega)
19. 07:46 AM - Re: Re: Non building related Question - Hand guns (jaybannist@cs.com)
20. 07:56 AM - Re: Non building related Question - Hand guns (William Dominguez)
21. 08:37 AM - Re: Re: Non building related Question - Hand guns (waaaaay OT) (Dave Covert)
22. 08:40 AM - Re: Re: Non building related Question - Hand guns (William Dominguez)
23. 08:41 AM - Re: Re: Non building related Question - Hand guns (Jeyoung65@aol.com)
24. 08:58 AM - Re: Re: Non building related Question - Hand guns (Cory Emberson)
25. 09:06 AM - Re: Re: Non building related Question - Hand guns (Rick Lindstrom)
26. 09:15 AM - Re: Non building related Question - Hand guns (Walter Yankauskas)
27. 09:30 AM - Re: Re: Non building related Question - Hand guns (Elden Jacobson)
28. 09:53 AM - Re: Re: Non building related Question - Hand guns (William Dominguez)
29. 10:09 AM - Re: Non building related Question - Hand guns (ashontz)
30. 10:13 AM - Re: Non building related Question - Hand guns (ashontz)
31. 10:17 AM - Re: Non building related Question - Hand guns (ashontz)
32. 10:23 AM - Re: Non building related Question - Hand guns (ashontz)
33. 11:00 AM - Re: Re: Non building related Question - Hand guns (Rick Lindstrom)
34. 11:07 AM - Re: Re: Non building related Question - Hand guns (Rick Lindstrom)
35. 11:40 AM - Re: Non building related Question - Hand guns (aprazer)
36. 12:34 PM - Re: Re: Non building related Question - Hand guns (William Dominguez)
37. 12:36 PM - Re: Non building related Question - Hand guns ()
38. 12:55 PM - You guys are NUTS!!! (was :Non building related Question - Hand guns) (MacDonald Doug)
39. 01:16 PM - Re: Re: Non building related Question - Hand guns (Elden Jacobson)
40. 01:30 PM - Re: Non building related Question - Hand guns (Jeyoung65@aol.com)
41. 01:41 PM - Re: Re: Non building related Question - Hand guns (Bob Collins)
42. 01:57 PM - Re: Non building related Question - Hand guns (Southern Reflections)
43. 02:04 PM - Re: Re: Non building related Question - Hand guns (Southern Reflections)
44. 02:15 PM - Re: You guys are NUTS!!! (was :Non building related Question - Hand guns) (Southern Reflections)
45. 02:16 PM - Re: Non building related Question - Hand guns (Paul Mulwitz)
46. 02:17 PM - Re: Re: Non building related Question - Hand guns (Randy)
47. 02:19 PM - Re: Re: Non building related Question - Hand guns (Rick Lindstrom)
48. 02:32 PM - Do you value this list? (Craig Payne)
49. 02:52 PM - Re: Non building related Question - Hand guns (steve)
50. 02:55 PM - Re: Do you value this list? (raymondj)
51. 03:03 PM - Re: Do you value this list? (David Brooks)
52. 03:14 PM - Re: Re: MA3-SPA Throttle bellcrank (Bill Naumuk)
53. 03:16 PM - Re: Do you value this list? (Art Gibeaut)
54. 03:21 PM - Re: Do you value this list? (Larry Winger)
55. 03:24 PM - Re: Re: Non building related Question - Hand guns (Bryan Martin)
56. 03:32 PM - Re: Do you value this list? (Rick Lindstrom)
57. 03:40 PM - Re: Re: Non building related Question - Hand guns (Elden Jacobson)
58. 03:44 PM - Re: Re: Non building related Question - Hand guns (Elden Jacobson)
59. 03:44 PM - Re: Re: Non building related Question - Hand guns (Elden Jacobson)
60. 03:52 PM - Re: You guys are NUTS!!! (was :Non building related Question - Hand guns) (Juan Vega)
61. 04:04 PM - Re: Non building related Question - Hand guns (Roger & Lina Hill)
62. 04:11 PM - Re: Re: Non building related Question - Hand guns (Roger & Lina Hill)
63. 04:18 PM - Re: Re: Non building related Question - Hand guns (Roger & Lina Hill)
64. 04:20 PM - Re: Non building related Question - Hand guns (Roger & Lina Hill)
65. 04:54 PM - Re: Do you value this list? (Tommy Walker)
66. 05:00 PM - Re: Non building related Question - Hand guns (Juan Vega)
67. 05:08 PM - Re: Non building related Question - Hand guns (Craig Payne)
68. 05:29 PM - Re: You guys are NUTS!!! (was :Non building related Question - Hand guns) (Southern Reflections)
69. 07:16 PM - Re: You guys are NUTS!!! (was :Non building related Question - Hand guns) (steve)
70. 07:21 PM - New Main Landing Gear rubber pads (Don Mountain)
71. 07:26 PM - Re: You guys are NUTS!!! (was :Non building related Question - Hand guns) (Dirk Zahtilla)
72. 07:36 PM - Re: You guys are NUTS!!! (was :Non building related Question - Hand guns) (Dave Austin)
73. 08:07 PM - Re: You guys are NUTS!!! (was :Non building related Question - Hand guns) (Roger & Lina Hill)
74. 08:08 PM - Re: You guys are NUTS!!! (was :Non building related Question - Hand guns) (Roger & Lina Hill)
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| Subject: | List of Contributors 2008 |
Dear Listers,
This year's Fund Raiser has drawn to a close and I want to thank everyone that
so generously made a contribution this year in support of the Matronics Email
List and Forum operation. Your generosity keeps the wheels on this cart and I
truly appreciate the many kind words of encouragement and financial reimbursement.
If you haven't yet made a Contribution in support of this year's Fund Raiser, please
feel free to do so. The great List Fund Raiser gifts will be available
on the Contribution site for a little while longer, so hurry and make your Contribution
today and still get your great gift! Once again, the URL for the Contribution
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or by personal check to:
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PO Box 347
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I would like to thank Andy Gold of the Builder's Bookstore ( http://www.buildersbooks.com ), Jon Croke of HomebuiltHELP ( http://www.homebuilthelp.com ) and Bob Nuckolls of AeroElectric ( http://www.aeroelectric.com ) for their extremely generous support during this year's Fund Raiser through the contribution of discounted merchandise. These are great guys that support the aviation industry and I encourage each and every Lister to have a look at their products. Thank you Andy, Jon and Bob!! Your support is very much appreciated!
And finally, below you will find a web link to the 2008 List of Contributors current
as of 12/7/08! Have a look at this list of names as *these* are the people
that make all of these List services possible! I can't thank each of you
enough for your support and great feedback during this year's Fund Raiser!
THANK YOU!
http://www.matronics.com/loc/2008.html
I will be shipping out all of the gifts around the end of December. In most cases,
gifts will be shipped via US Postal Service.
Once again, thank you for making this year's List Fund Raiser successful!
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Hi Guys,
My 601XL is having an O-200 on the front and since it came off a C150 it
does not have a mechanical fuel pump (different cam end).
Has anybody got any details of the HDS fuel system (which I understand
includes a header tank)? I plan on using two fuel pumps in series (ala
Corvair) and pump the wing tanks into the header tank. A diagram/photo would
be good.
Cheers
Peter
Wonthaggi Australia
http://zodiac.cpc-world.com <http://zodiac.cpc-world.com/>
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| Subject: | Non building related Question - Hand guns |
Does anybody know what is the legal rules for carrying a handgun on your person
at airports and such.
I know handgun rules vary from state to state however i was wondering if anybody
had any knowledge on this thought while flying privately?
DO NOT ACHIEVE
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Thanks,
Rich Simmons
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel sending units |
I actually did a bit of a redesign on my tanks for ease of contruction as well
as ease of maintenance as well as reduce the number of possible "problem" areas
in the tank. I bought a sender and gauge from Pep Boys for $40, a filler neck
from a boat dealer for $12 and will mount the sender arm on the filler neck
so the sender will be accessible simply by removing the filler neck from the tank.
Being that the sender requires a gasket anyway, I figured I'd rather have
that gasket on top of the tank rather than the side, plus it makes getting at
the sender that much easier. The filler tank will be bolted to the tank on top
obviously and the whole assembly will be hidden under a water tight deckplate
I also bought from a boat dealer for $9. I hope to have pictures soon on my
website if I can manage to download them from my camera. I think the whole design
is pretty sweet really. The vent tube and ground wire will also be accessible
under the deckplate. Moving the whole assembly to the top reduced the number
of difficult welds (now just the seams and two fittings, outlet and drain)
and moves an assembly that requires a gasket anyway to the top from the side.
If I have to have a gasket, I'd rather it on top.
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Andy Shontz
do not archive
CH601XL - Corvair
www.mykitlog.com/ashontz
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| Subject: | Re: Non building related Question - Hand guns |
On Mon, Dec 08, 2008 at 12:46:22PM +0000, Rich Simmons wrote:
> Does anybody know what is the legal rules for carrying a handgun on your
> person at airports and such. I know handgun rules vary from state to state
> however i was wondering if anybody had any knowledge on this thought while
> flying privately?
The laws of the states I've learned (Texas, Utah, and Minnesota) only
prohibit carrying handguns with a permit in the secured area of an airport.
That, of course, leaves the question of what a "secured area" is, exactly. I
expect that it means "the areas you have to go through security to get to",
but it's never been tested that I know of. The ramp at KFRM almost certainly
does not qualify.
Some airports post "no handguns allowed" signs at the pilot lounge and such.
Many do not follow the legal requirements for such signs, however. Whether
to carry into such places is your decision.
I am not a lawyer. This is not legal advice. If it matters, find a lawyer
who's knowledgeable about gun laws in your jurisdiction.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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Jay Maynard, K5ZC, PP-ASEL http://www.conmicro.com
http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net
Fairmont, MN (KFRM) (Yes, that's me!)
AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC http://www.tronguy.net/N55ZC.shtml
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| Subject: | Re: Non building related Question - Hand guns |
Hi Rich,
I've been considering similar questions. Let me tell you what little I know.
First, I am not aware of any difference between carrying a pistol at
airports and other facilities. There is a legal difference between
carrying in one state vs. another. Also, there is a huge difference
between concealed carry and open carry.
In general, I believe open carry is protected by the U.S.
Constitution. It might get you some unwanted attention from average
citizens, but I doubt there would be any problem with law enforcement
folks on this point. Open carry is getting much more noticeable
around here. In many cases it is law enforcement people who are
carrying in this fashion when they cross state lines.
Concealed carry generally (universally?) requires a state
license. These are easy to get in many states. Also, when you have
a licence in your home state it is honored in other states that have
reciprocal agreements. In my case, I have a Washington concealed
pistol permit and it is honored in a number of other states.
One thing to consider - if you are not a felon, concealed carry is a
minor misdemeanor (nearly?) everywhere. If you behave properly it is
very unlikely you will be charged with a crime even if you are
"Caught" violating this rule. I understand it is most likely that a
law enforcement officer will either ignore a violation of this rule
(for someone who could legally carry in another state). If you are
charged with this crime it usually results in a ticket similar to a
speeding ticket.
Of course this discussion does not address the airline travel TSA
fiefdom. There are federal rules about carrying or even having guns
in luggage on airliners.
I hope this helps.
Paul
Camas, WA
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At 04:46 AM 12/8/2008, you wrote:
>Does anybody know what is the legal rules for carrying a handgun on
>your person at airports and such.
>I know handgun rules vary from state to state however i was
>wondering if anybody had any knowledge on this thought while flying privately?
>
>DO NOT ACHIEVE
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel sending units |
Here's some pix. I just updated my kitlog link.
http://mykitlog.com/users/display_log.php?user=ashontz&project=277&category=0&log=65842&row=4
ashontz wrote:
> I actually did a bit of a redesign on my tanks for ease of contruction as well
as ease of maintenance as well as reduce the number of possible "problem" areas
in the tank. I bought a sender and gauge from Pep Boys for $40, a filler neck
from a boat dealer for $12 and will mount the sender arm on the filler neck
so the sender will be accessible simply by removing the filler neck from the
tank. Being that the sender requires a gasket anyway, I figured I'd rather have
that gasket on top of the tank rather than the side, plus it makes getting
at the sender that much easier. The filler tank will be bolted to the tank on
top obviously and the whole assembly will be hidden under a water tight deckplate
I also bought from a boat dealer for $9. I hope to have pictures soon on my
website if I can manage to download them from my camera. I think the whole design
is pretty sweet really. The vent tube and ground wire will also be accessible
under the deckplate. Moving the whole assembly to the top reduced the number
of difficult welds (now just the seams and two fittings, outlet and drain)
and moves an assembly that requires a gasket anyway to the top from the side.
If I have to have a gasket, I'd rather it on top.
--------
Andy Shontz
do not archive
CH601XL - Corvair
www.mykitlog.com/ashontz
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=218177#218177
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| Subject: | Re: Non building related Question - Hand guns |
Why in the world should anybody carry a handgun ? Try grenades ! FAA
aproved. Leaves no broken rivets. Only advantages ! Win win situation ! In
Europe it is (thank God) forbidden to carry arms... Live safe and fly safe !
Greetings from Holland.
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From: "Rich Simmons" <4RCSIMMONS@comcast.net>
Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 1:46 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Non building related Question - Hand guns
>
> Does anybody know what is the legal rules for carrying a handgun on your
> person at airports and such.
> I know handgun rules vary from state to state however i was wondering if
> anybody had any knowledge on this thought while flying privately?
>
> DO NOT ACHIEVE
>
> --
> Thanks,
> Rich Simmons
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Non building related Question - Hand guns |
Why in the world should anyone want to protect himself?? That is what the gov'ment
is for? (Laughing my head off)? (:>)
Jay in Dallas
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-----Original Message-----
From: Eric Tiethoff (HCCNet) <j.e.tiethoff@hccnet.nl>
Sent: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 7:59 am
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Non building related Question - Hand guns
?
Why in the world should anybody carry a handgun ? Try grenades ! FAA
aproved. Leaves no broken rivets. Only advantages ! Win win situation ! In
Europe it is (thank God) forbidden to carry arms... Live safe and fly safe !
Greetings from Holland.?
?
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From: "Rich Simmons" <4RCSIMMONS@comcast.net>?
Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 1:46 PM?
Subject: Zenith-List: Non building related Question - Hand guns?
?
>?
> Does anybody know what is the legal rules for carrying a handgun on your
> person at airports and such.?
> I know handgun rules vary from state to state however i was wondering if
> anybody had any knowledge on this thought while flying privately??
>?
> DO NOT ACHIEVE?
>?
> --?
> Thanks,?
> Rich Simmons?
>?
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>?
>?
> ?
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| Subject: | Chat Room Reminder |
Please join us for the Monday evening chat room starting around 8:00 PM
Eastern Time.
<blocked::blocked::blocked::blocked::blocked::blocked::http://www.mykitairpl
ane.com/chat/> http://www.mykitairplane.com/chat/
George
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| Subject: | Re: Non building related Question - Hand guns |
Yeah, the gummint would LOVE everyone disarmed, that way they can more easily shove
socialism (communism with patience) down everyone's throats. There's a reason
the right to bear arms is allegedly protected by the Constitution, for good
reason too. We're sliding down a slippery slope here in the US.
jaybannist(at)cs.com wrote:
> Why in the world should anyone want to protect himself? That is what the gov'ment
is for? (Laughing my head off) (:>)
>
> Jay in Dallas
> Do not archive
>
>
>
>
>
> --
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Andy Shontz
do not archive
CH601XL - Corvair
www.mykitlog.com/ashontz
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=218189#218189
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| Subject: | Re: MA3-SPA Throttle bellcrank |
naumuk(at)alltel.net wrote:
> Gig-
> Unless you have a header tank in the way.
> Bill
> ---
Good point. I've not looked behind the panel of a 601 with a header but while working
with the a throttle cable this weekend it seems that you could just use
a longer cable to get around a water buffalo behind the panel. Of course I'm
not installing dual throttle controls either.
--------
W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight - Canopy for sale |
Juan,
I am in NM but it would be fun if I was in FL. My Plane will be at Seabring in
January though. At least that is the plan this week. Gus should be taking it
to the zenith booth?
Ray
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| Subject: | Fw: Wade's Grandaughter |
Wade Jones South Texas
601XL Franklin 0-235
----- Original Message -----
From: wade jones
Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 9:10 AM
Subject: Wade's Grandaughter
Hello to my good friends ,tonight my granddaughter Jessica DeYoung is
going to be on the Wheel of Fortune . It comes on at 6:30pm in my area
check your time zones .Don't know how their scheduling works but it may
be as scheduled in Ca. Not much news just a proud grandfather .
Wade Jones South Texas
601XL Franklin 0-235
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| Subject: | Re: Non building related Question - Hand guns |
I would like those of you in this list who live in "socialist" countries (Canada,
Spain, England and may be Australia) to tell me what it is that is so bad that
make my fellow Americans so terrified of it.
So far, I've been in Spain, England, France, Germany, Netherlands and Jersey Channel
Island, and other than higher taxes and some other inconveniences, I still
fail to see what make some people in the US to be sooo afraid of it, like living
in an Orwellian society as portrayed in the movie 1984 or something of that
nature. Ok, may be they are and I just been unable to realized as a tourist
traveling and staying in the homes of locals and family members.
Sorry Andy, but I felt like stiring today.
William Dominguez
Zodiac 601XL Plans
Miami Florida
http://www.geocities.com/bill_dom
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--- On Mon, 12/8/08, ashontz <ashontz@nbme.org> wrote:
From: ashontz <ashontz@nbme.org>
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Non building related Question - Hand guns
<ashontz@nbme.org>
Yeah, the gummint would LOVE everyone disarmed, that way they can more easily
shove socialism (communism with patience) down everyone's throats.
There's a reason the right to bear arms is allegedly protected by the
Constitution, for good reason too. We're sliding down a slippery slope here
in the US.
jaybannist(at)cs.com wrote:
> Why in the world should anyone want to protect himself? That is what the
gov'ment is for? (Laughing my head off) (:>)
>
> Jay in Dallas
> Do not archive
>
>
>
>
>
> --
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Andy Shontz
do not archive
CH601XL - Corvair
www.mykitlog.com/ashontz
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| Subject: | Re: Non building related Question - Hand guns |
Federal law prohibits carrying of weapons in the security areas of
airports (the areas you have to pass through metal detectors TSA
screeners to get access to). All other areas of public airports are
generally subject to the same state and local laws that are in effect
outside the airport.
>
> Simmons)
>
> Does anybody know what is the legal rules for carrying a handgun on
> your person at airports and such.
> I know handgun rules vary from state to state however i was
> wondering if anybody had any knowledge on this thought while flying
> privately?
>
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL,
RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.
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| Subject: | Re: Non building related Question - Hand guns |
I have no rules that come to mind, I just do it, especialy in the plane, I have
a folding mini 14, flying over the everglades, it couldcome in handy. As for
the guy that says thank god there are no guns in Holland, keep dreamin.
Juan
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>From: jaybannist@cs.com
>Sent: Dec 8, 2008 9:12 AM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Non building related Question - Hand guns
>
>
> Why in the world should anyone want to protect himself?? That is what the gov'ment
is for? (Laughing my head off)? (:>)
>
>Jay in Dallas
>Do not archive
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>
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>
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>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Eric Tiethoff (HCCNet) <j.e.tiethoff@hccnet.nl>
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Sent: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 7:59 am
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Non building related Question - Hand guns
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>?
>
>Why in the world should anybody carry a handgun ? Try grenades ! FAA
>aproved. Leaves no broken rivets. Only advantages ! Win win situation ! In
>Europe it is (thank God) forbidden to carry arms... Live safe and fly safe !
>Greetings from Holland.?
>?
>
>--------------------------------------------------?
>
>From: "Rich Simmons" <4RCSIMMONS@comcast.net>?
>
>Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 1:46 PM?
>
>To: "Zenith-List Digest Server" <zenith-list@matronics.com>?
>
>Subject: Zenith-List: Non building related Question - Hand guns?
>?
>
>
>>?
>
>> Does anybody know what is the legal rules for carrying a handgun on your
>> person at airports and such.?
>
>> I know handgun rules vary from state to state however i was wondering if
>> anybody had any knowledge on this thought while flying privately??
>
>>?
>
>> DO NOT ACHIEVE?
>
>>?
>
>> --?
>
>> Thanks,?
>
>> Rich Simmons?
>
>>?
>
>>?
>
>>?
>
>>?
>
>> ?
>
>
>?
>
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight - Canopy for sale |
anyone else want to flyin at Sebring?
-----Original Message-----
>From: Ray Griffith <rgriffith@griffithes.com>
>Sent: Dec 8, 2008 10:04 AM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Zenith-List: Re: First Flight - Canopy for sale
>
>
>Juan,
>
>I am in NM but it would be fun if I was in FL. My Plane will be at Seabring in
January though. At least that is the plan this week. Gus should be taking it
to the zenith booth?
>
>Ray
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
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| Subject: | Re: Non building related Question - Hand guns |
Bill,
I am old and feeble.? I can't afford hanger rental.? You are young and able.? Since
you seem to be big on socialism, I'm quite certain you would be honored to
pay my hanger rental. Contact me off list and I'll tell you where to send the
checks.
Jay
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: William Dominguez <bill_dom@yahoo.com>
Sent: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 9:22 am
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Non building related Question - Hand guns
I would like those of you in this list who live in "socialist" countries (Canada,
Spain, England and may be Australia) to tell me what it is that is so bad that
make my fellow Americans so terrified of it.
So far, I've been in Spain, England, France, Germany, Netherlands and Jersey Channel
Island, and other than higher taxes and some other inconveniences, I still
fail to see what make some people in the US to be sooo afraid of it, like living
in an Orwellian society as portrayed in the movie 1984 or something of that
nature. Ok, may be they are and I just been unable to realized as a tourist
traveling and staying in the homes of locals and family members.
Sorry Andy, but I felt like stiring today.
William Dominguez
Zodiac 601XL Plans
Miami Florida
http://www.geocities.com/bill_dom
do not archive
--- On Mon, 12/8/08,
ashontz <ashontz@nbme.org> wrote:
From: ashontz <ashontz@nbme.org>
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Non building related Question - Hand guns
<ashontz@nbme.org>
Yeah, the gummint would LOVE everyone disarmed, that way they can more easily
shove socialism (communism with patience) down everyone's throats.
There's a reason the right to bear arms is allegedly protected by the
Constitution, for good reason too. We're sliding down a slippery slope here
in the US.
jaybannist(at)cs.com wrote:
> Why in the world should anyone want to protect himself? That is what the
gov'ment is for? (Laughing my head off) (:>)
>
> Jay in Dallas
> Do
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| Subject: | Re: Non building related Question - Hand guns |
"As for the guy that says thank god there are no guns in Holland, keep dreaming"
That guy must be really lost, by the way, who said that?
William Dominguez
Zodiac 601XL Plans
Miami Florida
http://www.geocities.com/bill_dom
--- On Mon, 12/8/08, Juan Vega <amyvega2005@earthlink.net> wrote:
From: Juan Vega <amyvega2005@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Non building related Question - Hand guns
<amyvega2005@earthlink.net>
I have no rules that come to mind, I just do it, especialy in the plane, I have
a folding mini 14, flying over the everglades, it couldcome in handy. As for
the guy that says thank god there are no guns in Holland, keep dreamin.
Juan
-----Original Message-----
>From: jaybannist@cs.com
>Sent: Dec 8, 2008 9:12 AM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Non building related Question - Hand guns
>
>
> Why in the world should anyone want to protect himself?? That is what the
gov'ment is for? (Laughing my head off)? (:>)
>
>Jay in Dallas
>Do not archive
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Eric Tiethoff (HCCNet) <j.e.tiethoff@hccnet.nl>
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Sent: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 7:59 am
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Non building related Question - Hand guns
>
>
<j.e.tiethoff@hccnet.nl>?
>?
>
>Why in the world should anybody carry a handgun ? Try grenades ! FAA
>aproved. Leaves no broken rivets. Only advantages ! Win win situation ! In
>Europe it is (thank God) forbidden to carry arms... Live safe and fly safe
!
>Greetings from Holland.?
>?
>
>--------------------------------------------------?
>
>From: "Rich Simmons" <4RCSIMMONS@comcast.net>?
>
>Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 1:46 PM?
>
>To: "Zenith-List Digest Server"
<zenith-list@matronics.com>?
>
>Subject: Zenith-List: Non building related Question - Hand guns?
>?
>
Simmons)?
>
>>?
>
>> Does anybody know what is the legal rules for carrying a handgun on
your
>> person at airports and such.?
>
>> I know handgun rules vary from state to state however i was wondering
if
>> anybody had any knowledge on this thought while flying privately??
>
>>?
>
>> DO NOT ACHIEVE?
>
>>?
>
>> --?
>
>> Thanks,?
>
>> Rich Simmons?
>
>>?
>
>>?
>
>>?
>
>>?
>
>> ?
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| Subject: | Re: Non building related Question - Hand guns (waaaaay |
OT)
Jay,
I spent 10 years paying my own way thru college without parental or
government help. I then spent 5 years in a drudge job earning my stripes so
that I can get paid well now. If you know anyone who spent their money as a
youth on beer/stereos/spinner rims and now needs what I have worked for, I
would be happy to 'spread the wealth'.
That's what high socialist taxes are for right? Making sure that the
society's income standard deviation is as small as possible?
Dave
in TEXAS
where the state legislature only meets every 2 years for about 6 months and
we do just fine thank you...
do not archive
On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 9:45 AM, <jaybannist@cs.com> wrote:
>
> Bill,
>
> I am old and feeble. I can't afford hanger rental. You are young and
> able. Since you seem to be big on socialism, I'm quite certain you would be
> honored to pay my hanger rental. Contact me off list and I'll tell you where
> to send the checks.
>
> Jay
> Do not archive
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: William Dominguez <bill_dom@yahoo.com>
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 9:22 am
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Non building related Question - Hand guns
>
> I would like those of you in this list who live in "socialist" countries
> (Canada, Spain, England and may be Australia) to tell me what it is that is
> so bad that make my fellow Americans so terrified of it.
>
> So far, I've been in Spain, England, France, Germany, Netherlands and
> Jersey Channel Island, and other than higher taxes and some other
> inconveniences, I still fail to see what make some people in the US to be
> sooo afraid of it, like living in an Orwellian society as portrayed in the
> movie 1984 or something of that nature. Ok, may be they are and I just been
> unable to realized as a tourist traveling and staying in the homes of locals
> and family members.
>
> Sorry Andy, but I felt like stiring today.
>
> William Dominguez
> Zodiac 601XL Plans
> Miami Florida
> http://www.geocities.com/bill_dom
>
> do not archive
> --- On *Mon, 12/8/08, ashontz <ashontz@nbme.org>* wrote:
>
> From: ashontz <ashontz@nbme.org>
> Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Non building related Question - Hand guns
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Date: Monday, December 8, 2008, 9:24 AM
>
>
> <ashontz@nbme.org>
>
>
> Yeah, the gummint would LOVE everyone disarmed, that way they can more easily
>
> shove socialism (communism with patience) down everyone's throats.
>
> There's a reason the right to bear arms is allegedly protected by the
>
> Constitution, for good reason too. We're sliding down a slippery slope here
>
> in the US.
>
>
> jaybannist(at)cs.com wrote:
>
> > Why in the world should anyone want to protect himself? That is what the
>
> gov'ment is for? (Laughing my head off) (:>)
>
> >
>
> > Jay in Dallas
>
> > Do
>
> *
>
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>
>
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You missed my point Jay.
William Dominguez
Zodiac 601XL Plans
Miami Florida
http://www.geocities.com/bill_dom
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--- On Mon, 12/8/08, jaybannist@cs.com <jaybannist@cs.com> wrote:
From: jaybannist@cs.com <jaybannist@cs.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Non building related Question - Hand guns
Bill,
I am old and feeble.- I can't afford hanger rental.- You are young and
able.- Since you seem to be big on socialism, I'm quite certain you would
be honored to pay my hanger rental. Contact me off list and I'll tell you
where to send the checks.
Jay
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: William Dominguez <bill_dom@yahoo.com>
Sent: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 9:22 am
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Non building related Question - Hand guns
I would like those of you in this list who live in "socialist" countries (C
anada, Spain, England and may be Australia) to tell me what it is that is s
o bad that make my fellow Americans so terrified of it.
So far, I've been in Spain, England, France, Germany, Netherlands and Jerse
y Channel Island, and other than higher taxes and some other inconveniences
, I still fail to see what make some people in the US to be sooo afraid of
it, like living in an Orwellian society as portrayed in the movie 1984 or s
omething of that nature. Ok, may be they are and I just been unable to real
ized as a tourist traveling and staying in the homes of locals and family m
embers.
Sorry Andy, but I felt like stiring today.
William Dominguez
Zodiac 601XL Plans
Miami Florida
http://www.geocities.com/bill_dom
do not archive
--- On Mon, 12/8/08,
ashontz <ashontz@nbme.org> wrote:
From: ashontz <ashontz@nbme.org>
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Non building related Question - Hand guns
<ashontz@nbme.org>
Yeah, the gummint would LOVE everyone disarmed, that way they can more easi
ly
shove socialism (communism with patience) down everyone's throats.
There's a reason the right to bear arms is allegedly protected by the
Constitution, for good reason too. We're sliding down a slippery slope here
in the US.
jaybannist(at)cs.com wrote:
> Why in the world should anyone want to protect himself? That is what the
gov'ment is for? (Laughing my head off) (:>)
>
> Jay in Dallas
> Do
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| Subject: | Re: Non building related Question - Hand guns |
I would just like to ask for money to live on in the style I would like to
so sent me my weekly amount. Looking at about $40,00.00 for now. Jerry of GA
Do not archive
In a message dated 12/8/2008 10:47:22 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
jaybannist@cs.com writes:
Bill,
I am old and feeble. I can't afford hanger rental. You are young and
able. Since you seem to be big on socialism, I'm quite certain you would be
honored to pay my hanger rental. Contact me off list and I'll tell you where to
send the checks.
Jay
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: William Dominguez <bill_dom@yahoo.com>
Sent: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 9:22 am
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Non building related Question - Hand guns
I would like those of you in this list who live in "socialist" countries
(Canada, Spain, England and may be Australia) to tell me what it is that is
so bad that make my fellow Americans so terrified of it.
So far, I've been in Spain, England, France, Germany, Netherlands and Jersey
Channel Island, and other than higher taxes and some other inconveniences, I
still fail to see what make some people in the US to be sooo afraid of it,
like living in an Orwellian society as portrayed in the movie 1984 or
something of that nature. Ok, may be they are and I just been unable to realized
as a
tourist traveling and staying in the homes of locals and family members.
Sorry Andy, but I felt like stiring today.
William Dominguez
Zodiac 601XL Plans
Miami Florida
_http://www.geocities.com/bill_dom_ (http://www.geocities.com/bill_dom)
do not archive
--- On Mon, 12/8/08, ashontz <_ashontz@nbme.org_ (mailto:ashontz@nbme.org) >
wrote:
From: ashontz <_ashontz@nbme.org_ (mailto:ashontz@nbme.org) >
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Non building related Question - Hand guns
<_ashontz@nbme.org_ (mailto:ashontz@nbme.org) >
Yeah, the gummint would LOVE everyone disarmed, that way they can more easily
shove socialism (communism with patience) down everyone's throats.
There's a reason the right to bear arms is allegedly protected by the
Constitution, for good reason too. We're sliding down a slippery slope here
in the US.
jaybannist(at)cs.com wrote:
> Why in the world should anyone want to protect himself? That is what the
gov'ment is for? (Laughing my head off) (:>)
>
> Jay in Dallas
> Do
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| Subject: | Re: Non building related Question - Hand guns |
Not to mention the fact that criminals prefer unarmed prey.
best,
Cory
Do not archive
ashontz wrote:
>
> Yeah, the gummint would LOVE everyone disarmed, that way they can more easily
shove socialism (communism with patience) down everyone's throats. There's a
reason the right to bear arms is allegedly protected by the Constitution, for
good reason too. We're sliding down a slippery slope here in the US.
>
>
> jaybannist(at)cs.com wrote:
>
>> Why in the world should anyone want to protect himself? That is what the gov'ment
is for? (Laughing my head off) (:>)
>>
>> Jay in Dallas
>> Do not archive
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>
>
> --------
> Andy Shontz
>
> do not archive
>
> CH601XL - Corvair
> www.mykitlog.com/ashontz
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=218189#218189
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Non building related Question - Hand guns |
Hi, Bill! The following is a long post, and has nothing to so with Zenith aircraft,
only the ability to continue to fly them in the US.
Rather than respond with "what's wrong with socialism," I'd prefer to answer with
"what's right with America." I'm old enough to remember having good public
schools, where kids with disruptive social problems were not allowed in the classroom,
we recited the pledge every morning, and had comprehensive classes on
American history that showcased the ideals that created this unique country.
If I recall correctly, America was founded on religious freedom, personal responsibility,
and unlimited opportunity. The government was by the people, not a
king or dictator. The citizens themselves determined their futures through their
representitives, who would leave their own farms or businesses for a few years,
serve their constituents, and then return to their homes. Career politicians
hadn't been invented yet.
America has long been a burr under the saddle of many communist and socialist countries,
attracting immigrants from all over the world who trade everything for
a single shot at what our citizens all too often take for granted. America
could never be conquered by foreign military force, so there's been a constant
undermining of traditional American values and our unique culture over the past
50 years instead.
And every time we've embarked on some new shiny leftist government program that
promises to be the solution to our social ills, we've dug ourselves deeper and
deeper into debt and social unrest. Be it LBJ's Great Society, Affirmative Action,
the American Disabilities Act, Women's Liberation, Gay Liberation, the
Community Reinvestment Act, the EPA, the NEA, or even the TSA, we've only succeeded
in removing the commonality we once felt as proud Americans and divided
Americans into balkanized victim/grievance groups who now view each other with
distrust. And our government, who we've traditionally had faith in to be fair
and even handed, now views its citizens as mere rabble, whose only value is as
a source of income and votes every now and then. Every time I stand in an airport
security line, I wonder about the promise of "innocent until proven guilty."
Now it's the other way around.
It's sad. The whole point of the civil rights movement in the mid 60s was to make
race a non-issue. Instead, we've made race, gender, ethnic or religious backgrounds,
sexual orientation, and handicaps bargaining chips for societal handouts.
Toss in the hugely divisive Vietnam war, media glorification of thuggery,
several generations of kids who've been dumbed down and robbed of their proud
heritage in public schools, and we have a country at odds with itself, ripe
for the pickin'.
But there's still a few of us left who will not go along quietly. We know that
the second amendment is the one that guarantees all the others, we know that the
responsibility of personal safety and defense cannot be subcontracted out,
and we know that this country belongs to its citizens. It is not a plaything for
those who fancy themselves smarter or better that the people they purport to
"serve."
Americans are richly blessed to have inherited a legacy of freedom that their forefathers
have bled and died for. And it's up to us to protect it, and hand it
down to our children and their children.
I'll take an imperfect free America over perfect socialism any day. The sovereignty
of the individual Amercian is priceless.
Aim small, miss small.
Rick Lindstrom
N42KP
-----Original Message-----
From: William Dominguez
Sent: Dec 8, 2008 7:22 AM
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Non building related Question - Hand guns
I would like those of you in this list who live in "socialist" countries (Canada,
Spain, England and may be Australia) to tell me what it is that is so bad
that make my fellow Americans so terrified of it.
So far, I've been in Spain, England, France, Germany, Netherlands and Jersey
Channel Island, and other than higher taxes and some other inconveniences, I
still fail to see what make some people in the US to be sooo afraid of it, like
living in an Orwellian society as portrayed in the movie 1984 or something
of that nature. Ok, may be they are and I just been unable to realized as a tourist
traveling and staying in the homes of locals and family members.
Sorry Andy, but I felt like stiring today.
William Dominguez
Zodiac 601XL Plans
Miami Florida
http://www.geocities.com/bill_dom
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
>From: William Dominguez <bill_dom@yahoo.com>
>Sent: Dec 8, 2008 7:22 AM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Non building related Question - Hand guns
>
>I would like those of you in this list who live in "socialist" countries (Canada,
Spain, England and may be Australia) to tell me what it is that is so bad
that make my fellow Americans so terrified of it.
>
>So far, I've been in Spain, England, France, Germany, Netherlands and Jersey Channel
Island, and other than higher taxes and some other inconveniences, I still
fail to see what make some people in the US to be sooo afraid of it, like
living in an Orwellian society as portrayed in the movie 1984 or something of
that nature. Ok, may be they are and I just been unable to realized as a tourist
traveling and staying in the homes of locals and family members.
>
>Sorry Andy, but I felt like stiring today.
>
>William Dominguez
>Zodiac 601XL Plans
>Miami Florida
>http://www.geocities.com/bill_dom
>
>do not archive
>--- On Mon, 12/8/08, ashontz <ashontz@nbme.org> wrote:
>From: ashontz <ashontz@nbme.org>
>Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Non building related Question - Hand guns
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Date: Monday, December 8, 2008, 9:24 AM
>
><ashontz@nbme.org>
>
>Yeah, the gummint would LOVE everyone disarmed, that way they can more easily
>shove socialism (communism with patience) down everyone's throats.
>There's a reason the right to bear arms is allegedly protected by the
>Constitution, for good reason too. We're sliding down a slippery slope here
>in the US.
>
>
>jaybannist(at)cs.com wrote:
>> Why in the world should anyone want to protect himself? That is what the
>gov'ment is for? (Laughing my head off) (:>)
>>
>> Jay in Dallas
>> Do not archive
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>
>
>--------
>Andy Shontz
>
>do not archive
>
>CH601XL - Corvair
>www.mykitlog.com/ashontz
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=218189#218189
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Non building related Question - Hand guns |
Up until a few years ago, you were required to have a firearm as part of
your emergency kit in Alaska.
Most people carried pistols, which leads to the old joke: "Why do you
file the front sight off of a 357 Magnum pistol?"
The answer is "So that it doesn't hurt so much when the bear shoves it
up your a**".
Walter from Anchorage - working on 701 Right Wing
Do not archive
Rich Simmons wrote:
>
> Does anybody know what is the legal rules for carrying a handgun on your person
at airports and such.
> I know handgun rules vary from state to state however i was wondering if anybody
had any knowledge on this thought while flying privately?
>
> DO NOT ACHIEVE
>
> --
> Thanks,
> Rich Simmons
>
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Someone (or a number of someones) has been watching too many Dirty Harry mo
vies. There are other forums much better suited to these witless discussion
s; let's return to building airplanes.
-
Elden J.
xl/3300
--- On Tue, 12/9/08, Cory Emberson <bootless@earthlink.net> wrote:
From: Cory Emberson <bootless@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Non building related Question - Hand guns
Not to mention the fact that criminals prefer unarmed prey.
best,
Cory
Do not archive
ashontz wrote:
Yeah, the gummint would LOVE everyone disarmed, that way they can more easi
ly shove socialism (communism with patience) down everyone's throats. There
's a reason the right to bear arms is allegedly protected by the Constituti
on, for good reason too. We're sliding down a slippery slope here in the US
.
jaybannist(at)cs.com wrote:
Why in the world should anyone want to protect himself? That is what the g
ov'ment is for? (Laughing my head off) (:>)
Jay in Dallas
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Hi Rick,
Thanks for a very thoughtful post Rick. However, let me clarify that my ori
ginal point was about irrational fears and not about European socialism vs.
American capitalism. After all, America is not purely capitalistic and Eur
ope is not purely socialistic.
William Dominguez
Zodiac 601XL Plans
Miami Florida
http://www.geocities.com/bill_dom-
-
--- On Mon, 12/8/08, Rick Lindstrom <tigerrick@mindspring.com> wrote:
From: Rick Lindstrom <tigerrick@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Non building related Question - Hand guns
<tigerrick@mindspring.com>
Hi, Bill! The following is a long post, and has nothing to so with Zenith
aircraft, only the ability to continue to fly them in the US.
Rather than respond with "what's wrong with socialism," I'd
prefer to answer with "what's right with America." I'm old
enough to remember having good public schools, where kids with disruptive s
ocial
problems were not allowed in the classroom, we recited the pledge every mor
ning,
and had comprehensive classes on American history that showcased the ideals
that
created this unique country.
If I recall correctly, America was founded on religious freedom, personal
responsibility, and unlimited opportunity. The government was by the people
, not
a king or dictator. The citizens themselves determined their futures throug
h
their representitives, who would leave their own farms or businesses for a
few
years, serve their constituents, and then return to their homes. Career
politicians hadn't been invented yet.
America has long been a burr under the saddle of many communist and sociali
st
countries, attracting immigrants from all over the world who trade everythi
ng
for a single shot at what our citizens all too often take for granted. Amer
ica
could never be conquered by foreign military force, so there's been a
constant undermining of traditional American values and our unique culture
over
the past 50 years instead.
And every time we've embarked on some new shiny leftist government program
that promises to be the solution to our social ills, we've dug ourselves
deeper and deeper into debt and social unrest. Be it LBJ's Great Society,
Affirmative Action, the American Disabilities Act, Women's Liberation, Gay
Liberation, the Community Reinvestment Act, the EPA, the NEA, or even the T
SA,
we've only succeeded in removing the commonality we once felt as proud
Americans and divided Americans into balkanized victim/grievance groups who
now
view each other with distrust. And our government, who we've traditionally
had faith in to be fair and even handed, now views its citizens as mere rab
ble,
whose only value is as a source of income and votes every now and then. Eve
ry
time I stand in an airport security line, I wonder about the promise of
"innocent until proven guilty." Now it's the other way around.
It's sad. The whole point of the civil rights movement in the mid 60s was
to make race a non-issue. Instead, we've made race, gender, ethnic or
religious backgrounds, sexual orientation, and handicaps bargaining chips f
or
societal handouts. Toss in the hugely divisive Vietnam war, media glorifica
tion
of thuggery, several generations of kids who've been dumbed down and robbed
of their proud heritage in public schools, and we have a country at odds wi
th
itself, ripe for the pickin'.
But there's still a few of us left who will not go along quietly. We know
that the second amendment is the one that guarantees all the others, we kno
w
that the responsibility of personal safety and defense cannot be subcontrac
ted
out, and we know that this country belongs to its citizens. It is not a
plaything for those who fancy themselves smarter or better that the people
they
purport to "serve."
Americans are richly blessed to have inherited a legacy of freedom that the
ir
forefathers have bled and died for. And it's up to us to protect it, and
hand it down to our children and their children.
I'll take an imperfect free America over perfect socialism any day. The
sovereignty of the individual Amercian is priceless.
Aim small, miss small.
Rick Lindstrom
N42KP
-----Original Message-----
From: William Dominguez
Sent: Dec 8, 2008 7:22 AM
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Non building related Question - Hand guns
I would like those of you in this list who live in "socialist"
countries (Canada, Spain, England and may be Australia) to tell me what it
is
that is so bad that make my fellow Americans so terrified of it.
So far, I've been in Spain, England, France, Germany, Netherlands and
Jersey Channel Island, and other than higher taxes and some other
inconveniences, I still fail to see what make some people in the US to be s
ooo
afraid of it, like living in an Orwellian society as portrayed in the movie
1984
or something of that nature. Ok, may be they are and I just been unable to
realized as a tourist traveling and staying in the homes of locals and fami
ly
members.
Sorry Andy, but I felt like stiring today.
William Dominguez
Zodiac 601XL Plans
Miami Florida
http://www.geocities.com/bill_dom
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
>From: William Dominguez <bill_dom@yahoo.com>
>Sent: Dec 8, 2008 7:22 AM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Non building related Question - Hand guns
>
>I would like those of you in this list who live in "socialist"
countries (Canada, Spain, England and may be Australia) to tell me what it
is
that is so bad that make my fellow Americans so terrified of it.
>
>So far, I've been in Spain, England, France, Germany, Netherlands and
Jersey Channel Island, and other than higher taxes and some other
inconveniences, I still fail to see what make some people in the US to be s
ooo
afraid of it, like living in an Orwellian society as portrayed in the movie
1984
or something of that nature. Ok, may be they are and I just been unable to
realized as a tourist traveling and staying in the homes of locals and fami
ly
members.
>
>Sorry Andy, but I felt like stiring today.
>
>William Dominguez
>Zodiac 601XL Plans
>Miami Florida
>http://www.geocities.com/bill_dom
>
>do not archive
>--- On Mon, 12/8/08, ashontz <ashontz@nbme.org> wrote:
>From: ashontz <ashontz@nbme.org>
>Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Non building related Question - Hand guns
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Date: Monday, December 8, 2008, 9:24 AM
>
><ashontz@nbme.org>
>
>Yeah, the gummint would LOVE everyone disarmed, that way they can more
easily
>shove socialism (communism with patience) down everyone's throats.
>There's a reason the right to bear arms is allegedly protected by the
>Constitution, for good reason too. We're sliding down a slippery slope
here
>in the US.
>
>
>jaybannist(at)cs.com wrote:
>> Why in the world should anyone want to protect himself? That is what
the
>gov'ment is for? (Laughing my head off) (:>)
>>
>> Jay in Dallas
>> Do not archive
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>
>
>--------
>Andy Shontz
>
>do not archive
>
>CH601XL - Corvair
>www.mykitlog.com/ashontz
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=218189#218189
>
>
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I'll take a free check too please. LOL As long as I don't have to sacrifice my
civil liberties. Wait a second, I guess alleged security and sacrifice of liberties
go hand in hand. Nevermind. If I can get that redistributed wealth though,
or at least my own wealth distributed back to me that would be great Last I
checked, between what's taken out of my pay plus all the taxes and fees I have
to pay after the fact that's about half my income. I'd like that back thanks.
[quote="Jeyoung65(at)aol.com"]I would just like to ask for money to live on in
the style I would like to so sent me my weekly amount. Looking at about $40,00.00
for now. Jerry of GA Do not archive
In a message dated 12/8/2008 10:47:22 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, jaybannist@cs.com
writes:
>
>
> Bill,
>
> I am old and feeble. I can't afford hanger rental. You are young and
able. Since you seem to be big on socialism, I'm quite certain you would be
honored to pay my hanger rental. Contact me off list and I'll tell you where
to send the checks.
>
> Jay
> Do not archive
>
>
>
> --
--------
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do not archive
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www.mykitlog.com/ashontz
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Rick, you wouldn't happen to be one of those tin-foil hat wearing types like me
that believes that believes that maybe, just maybe, the UN and CFR along with
Al Gore types can go sh!t in their flat hats and put it down over their ears,
would you?
Granted, Al Gore has a point, our carbon emissions are so bad, we're even managing
to melt the polar caps on Mars. Believe me, that's bad. LOL
tigerrick(at)mindspring.c wrote:
> Hi, Bill! The following is a long post, and has nothing to so with Zenith aircraft,
only the ability to continue to fly them in the US.
>
> Rather than respond with "what's wrong with socialism," I'd prefer to answer
with "what's right with America." I'm old enough to remember having good public
schools, where kids with disruptive social problems were not allowed in the
classroom, we recited the pledge every morning, and had comprehensive classes
on American history that showcased the ideals that created this unique country.
>
> If I recall correctly, America was founded on religious freedom, personal responsibility,
and unlimited opportunity. The government was by the people, not
a king or dictator. The citizens themselves determined their futures through their
representitives, who would leave their own farms or businesses for a few
years, serve their constituents, and then return to their homes. Career politicians
hadn't been invented yet.
>
> America has long been a burr under the saddle of many communist and socialist
countries, attracting immigrants from all over the world who trade everything
for a single shot at what our citizens all too often take for granted. America
could never be conquered by foreign military force, so there's been a constant
undermining of traditional American values and our unique culture over the
past 50 years instead.
>
> And every time we've embarked on some new shiny leftist government program that
promises to be the solution to our social ills, we've dug ourselves deeper
and deeper into debt and social unrest. Be it LBJ's Great Society, Affirmative
Action, the American Disabilities Act, Women's Liberation, Gay Liberation, the
Community Reinvestment Act, the EPA, the NEA, or even the TSA, we've only succeeded
in removing the commonality we once felt as proud Americans and divided
Americans into balkanized victim/grievance groups who now view each other with
distrust. And our government, who we've traditionally had faith in to be fair
and even handed, now views its citizens as mere rabble, whose only value is
as a source of income and votes every now and then. Every time I stand in an
airport security line, I wonder about the promise of "innocent until proven guilty."
Now it's the other way around.
>
> It's sad. The whole point of the civil rights movement in the mid 60s was to
make race a non-issue. Instead, we've made race, gender, ethnic or religious backgrounds,
sexual orientation, and handicaps bargaining chips for societal handouts.
Toss in the hugely divisive Vietnam war, media glorification of thuggery,
several generations of kids who've been dumbed down and robbed of their proud
heritage in public schools, and we have a country at odds with itself, ripe
for the pickin'.
>
> But there's still a few of us left who will not go along quietly. We know that
the second amendment is the one that guarantees all the others, we know that
the responsibility of personal safety and defense cannot be subcontracted out,
and we know that this country belongs to its citizens. It is not a plaything
for those who fancy themselves smarter or better that the people they purport
to "serve."
>
> Americans are richly blessed to have inherited a legacy of freedom that their
forefathers have bled and died for. And it's up to us to protect it, and hand
it down to our children and their children.
>
> I'll take an imperfect free America over perfect socialism any day. The sovereignty
of the individual Amercian is priceless.
>
> Aim small, miss small.
>
> Rick Lindstrom
> N42KP
>
> --
--------
Andy Shontz
do not archive
CH601XL - Corvair
www.mykitlog.com/ashontz
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Witless? Politics touches every facet of your life, particularly communism. That
being the case, a politic discussion here has total merit. If we lived in a
truly free country than yes, ragging on communist infiltration in our country
wouldn't make sense.
eldenej(at)yahoo.com wrote:
> Someone (or a number of someones) has been watching too many Dirty Harry movies.
There are other forums much better suited to these witless discussions; let's
return to building airplanes.
> ?
> Elden J.
> xl/3300
>
>
> --- On Tue, 12/9/08, Cory Emberson wrote:
>
> From: Cory Emberson
> Subject: Re: Re: Non building related Question - Hand guns
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Date: Tuesday, December 9, 2008, 12:56 AM
>
>
> Not to mention the fact that criminals prefer unarmed prey.
>
> best,
> Cory
>
> Do not archive
>
> ashontz wrote:
>
>
> Yeah, the gummint would LOVE everyone disarmed, that way they can more easily
shove socialism (communism with patience) down everyone's throats. There's a
reason the right to bear arms is allegedly protected by the Constitution, for
good reason too. We're sliding down a slippery slope here in the US
--------
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do not archive
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I forgot they don't do the pledge anymore. You know what, they site the fact that
it has the word God in it, but I bet you it has as much to do with the fact
that it also has the word Republic in it. How many dumb-assed Americans do you
know that think we actually live in a democracy, probably a lot. We don't, we
live in a constitutionally limited republic, and for good reason. Democracy
is two wolves and a lamb voting on what's for dinner. "Democracy" doesn't appear
in the Declaration of Independance or the Constitution either.
tigerrick(at)mindspring.c wrote:
> Hi, Bill! The following is a long post, and has nothing to so with Zenith aircraft,
only the ability to continue to fly them in the US.
>
> Rather than respond with "what's wrong with socialism," I'd prefer to answer
with "what's right with America." I'm old enough to remember having good public
schools, where kids with disruptive social problems were not allowed in the
classroom, we recited the pledge every morning, and had comprehensive classes
on American history that showcased the ideals that created this unique country.
>
> If I recall correctly, America was founded on religious freedom, personal responsibility,
and unlimited opportunity. The government was by the people, not
a king or dictator. The citizens themselves determined their futures through their
representitives, who would leave their own farms or businesses for a few
years, serve their constituents, and then return to their homes. Career politicians
hadn't been invented yet.
>
> America has long been a burr under the saddle of many communist and socialist
countries, attracting immigrants from all over the world who trade everything
for a single shot at what our citizens all too often take for granted. America
could never be conquered by foreign military force, so there's been a constant
undermining of traditional American values and our unique culture over the
past 50 years instead.
>
> And every time we've embarked on some new shiny leftist government program that
promises to be the solution to our social ills, we've dug ourselves deeper
and deeper into debt and social unrest. Be it LBJ's Great Society, Affirmative
Action, the American Disabilities Act, Women's Liberation, Gay Liberation, the
Community Reinvestment Act, the EPA, the NEA, or even the TSA, we've only succeeded
in removing the commonality we once felt as proud Americans and divided
Americans into balkanized victim/grievance groups who now view each other with
distrust. And our government, who we've traditionally had faith in to be fair
and even handed, now views its citizens as mere rabble, whose only value is
as a source of income and votes every now and then. Every time I stand in an
airport security line, I wonder about the promise of "innocent until proven guilty."
Now it's the other way around.
>
> It's sad. The whole point of the civil rights movement in the mid 60s was to
make race a non-issue. Instead, we've made race, gender, ethnic or religious backgrounds,
sexual orientation, and handicaps bargaining chips for societal handouts.
Toss in the hugely divisive Vietnam war, media glorification of thuggery,
several generations of kids who've been dumbed down and robbed of their proud
heritage in public schools, and we have a country at odds with itself, ripe
for the pickin'.
>
> But there's still a few of us left who will not go along quietly. We know that
the second amendment is the one that guarantees all the others, we know that
the responsibility of personal safety and defense cannot be subcontracted out,
and we know that this country belongs to its citizens. It is not a plaything
for those who fancy themselves smarter or better that the people they purport
to "serve."
>
> Americans are richly blessed to have inherited a legacy of freedom that their
forefathers have bled and died for. And it's up to us to protect it, and hand
it down to our children and their children.
>
> I'll take an imperfect free America over perfect socialism any day. The sovereignty
of the individual Amercian is priceless.
>
> Aim small, miss small.
>
> Rick Lindstrom
> N42KP
>
> --
--------
Andy Shontz
do not archive
CH601XL - Corvair
www.mykitlog.com/ashontz
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True, there is no pure capitalism. Pure socialism is another matter, requiring
a totally dependent society on a dictator, monarch, or ruling cabal. It's been
tried before with disastrous results.
Whether fears about increasing socialism (requiring some loss of freedom) are "irrational"
or not depends on your perspective, I guess. You asked why fear socialism,
and the reason is that it requires that someone else surrender something
(usually against their will). What is freedom, anyway? There can be no freedom
without property rights, which includes the right to keep what you've earned
through your own industry.
>From what I've seen, every time we embrace some new socialistic program that allows
us to feel better about ourselves for some brief period of time, the societal
costs are just too high. Our government has no business taking by force
from one to give to another outside of what's conceded by the Constitution (and
thereby insuring their own political careers). I have no problem with charitable
giving and public service programs, but this should be the province of churches
and private community service organizations. When you rob from Peter to
give to Paul, Paul will for sure vote for you again. Maybe Peter will too, if
you convince him that it's for his own good.
Socialism is based on the theory that someone else knows better than you do how
to manage your affairs and your personal effects. It also assumes that societal
power properly resides with those who rule, instead of sparingly granted from
the citizenry.
I can't think of two better reasons to reject socialism, and those who would enslave
us further with it.
Rick
-----Original Message-----
>From: William Dominguez <bill_dom@yahoo.com>
>Sent: Dec 8, 2008 9:52 AM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Non building related Question - Hand guns
>
>Hi Rick,
>
>Thanks for a very thoughtful post Rick. However, let me clarify that my original
point was about irrational fears and not about European socialism vs. American
capitalism. After all, America is not purely capitalistic and Europe is not
purely socialistic.
>
>
>William Dominguez
>Zodiac 601XL Plans
>Miami Florida
>http://www.geocities.com/bill_dom
>
>
>--- On Mon, 12/8/08, Rick Lindstrom <tigerrick@mindspring.com> wrote:
>From: Rick Lindstrom <tigerrick@mindspring.com>
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Non building related Question - Hand guns
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Date: Monday, December 8, 2008, 12:06 PM
>
><tigerrick@mindspring.com>
>
>Hi, Bill! The following is a long post, and has nothing to so with Zenith
>aircraft, only the ability to continue to fly them in the US.
>
>Rather than respond with "what's wrong with socialism," I'd
>prefer to answer with "what's right with America." I'm old
>enough to remember having good public schools, where kids with disruptive social
>problems were not allowed in the classroom, we recited the pledge every morning,
>and had comprehensive classes on American history that showcased the ideals that
>created this unique country.
>
>If I recall correctly, America was founded on religious freedom, personal
>responsibility, and unlimited opportunity. The government was by the people, not
>a king or dictator. The citizens themselves determined their futures through
>their representitives, who would leave their own farms or businesses for a few
>years, serve their constituents, and then return to their homes. Career
>politicians hadn't been invented yet.
>
>America has long been a burr under the saddle of many communist and socialist
>countries, attracting immigrants from all over the world who trade everything
>for a single shot at what our citizens all too often take for granted. America
>could never be conquered by foreign military force, so there's been a
>constant undermining of traditional American values and our unique culture over
>the past 50 years instead.
>
>And every time we've embarked on some new shiny leftist government program
>that promises to be the solution to our social ills, we've dug ourselves
>deeper and deeper into debt and social unrest. Be it LBJ's Great Society,
>Affirmative Action, the American Disabilities Act, Women's Liberation, Gay
>Liberation, the Community Reinvestment Act, the EPA, the NEA, or even the TSA,
>we've only succeeded in removing the commonality we once felt as proud
>Americans and divided Americans into balkanized victim/grievance groups who now
>view each other with distrust. And our government, who we've traditionally
>had faith in to be fair and even handed, now views its citizens as mere rabble,
>whose only value is as a source of income and votes every now and then. Every
>time I stand in an airport security line, I wonder about the promise of
>"innocent until proven guilty." Now it's the other way around.
>
>It's sad. The whole point of the civil rights movement in the mid 60s was
>to make race a non-issue. Instead, we've made race, gender, ethnic or
>religious backgrounds, sexual orientation, and handicaps bargaining chips for
>societal handouts. Toss in the hugely divisive Vietnam war, media glorification
>of thuggery, several generations of kids who've been dumbed down and robbed
>of their proud heritage in public schools, and we have a country at odds with
>itself, ripe for the pickin'.
>
>But there's still a few of us left who will not go along quietly. We know
>that the second amendment is the one that guarantees all the others, we know
>that the responsibility of personal safety and defense cannot be subcontracted
>out, and we know that this country belongs to its citizens. It is not a
>plaything for those who fancy themselves smarter or better that the people they
>purport to "serve."
>
>Americans are richly blessed to have inherited a legacy of freedom that their
>forefathers have bled and died for. And it's up to us to protect it, and
>hand it down to our children and their children.
>
>I'll take an imperfect free America over perfect socialism any day. The
>sovereignty of the individual Amercian is priceless.
>
>Aim small, miss small.
>
>Rick Lindstrom
>N42KP
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: William Dominguez
> Sent: Dec 8, 2008 7:22 AM
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Non building related Question - Hand guns
>
> I would like those of you in this list who live in "socialist"
>countries (Canada, Spain, England and may be Australia) to tell me what it is
>that is so bad that make my fellow Americans so terrified of it.
>
> So far, I've been in Spain, England, France, Germany, Netherlands and
>Jersey Channel Island, and other than higher taxes and some other
>inconveniences, I still fail to see what make some people in the US to be sooo
>afraid of it, like living in an Orwellian society as portrayed in the movie 1984
>or something of that nature. Ok, may be they are and I just been unable to
>realized as a tourist traveling and staying in the homes of locals and family
>members.
>
> Sorry Andy, but I felt like stiring today.
>
> William Dominguez
> Zodiac 601XL Plans
> Miami Florida
> http://www.geocities.com/bill_dom
>
> do not archive
>
>-----Original Message-----
>>From: William Dominguez <bill_dom@yahoo.com>
>>Sent: Dec 8, 2008 7:22 AM
>>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Non building related Question - Hand guns
>>
>>I would like those of you in this list who live in "socialist"
>countries (Canada, Spain, England and may be Australia) to tell me what it is
>that is so bad that make my fellow Americans so terrified of it.
>>
>>So far, I've been in Spain, England, France, Germany, Netherlands and
>Jersey Channel Island, and other than higher taxes and some other
>inconveniences, I still fail to see what make some people in the US to be sooo
>afraid of it, like living in an Orwellian society as portrayed in the movie 1984
>or something of that nature. Ok, may be they are and I just been unable to
>realized as a tourist traveling and staying in the homes of locals and family
>members.
>>
>>Sorry Andy, but I felt like stiring today.
>>
>>William Dominguez
>>Zodiac 601XL Plans
>>Miami Florida
>>http://www.geocities.com/bill_dom
>>
>>do not archive
>>--- On Mon, 12/8/08, ashontz <ashontz@nbme.org> wrote:
>>From: ashontz <ashontz@nbme.org>
>>Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Non building related Question - Hand guns
>>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>>Date: Monday, December 8, 2008, 9:24 AM
>>
>><ashontz@nbme.org>
>>
>>Yeah, the gummint would LOVE everyone disarmed, that way they can more
>easily
>>shove socialism (communism with patience) down everyone's throats.
>>There's a reason the right to bear arms is allegedly protected by the
>>Constitution, for good reason too. We're sliding down a slippery slope
>here
>>in the US.
>>
>>
>>jaybannist(at)cs.com wrote:
>>> Why in the world should anyone want to protect himself? That is what
>the
>>gov'ment is for? (Laughing my head off) (:>)
>>>
>>> Jay in Dallas
>>> Do not archive
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>
>>
>>--------
>>Andy Shontz
>>
>>do not archive
>>
>>CH601XL - Corvair
>>www.mykitlog.com/ashontz
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Read this topic online here:
>>
>>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=218189#218189
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Well, I get my aluminum foil (tin is too hard to come by these days) from Costco,
big industrial rolls for cheap! It works just as well as tin, assuming you
keep the shiny side out when you make your hat.
I assume you've read "State of Fear" by the late Michael Crichton?
Absolutely nails the global warming fraud for what it is, he does!
Loading up on incandescents,
Rick
-----Original Message-----
>From: ashontz <ashontz@nbme.org>
>Sent: Dec 8, 2008 10:12 AM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Non building related Question - Hand guns
>
>
>Rick, you wouldn't happen to be one of those tin-foil hat wearing types like me
that believes that believes that maybe, just maybe, the UN and CFR along with
Al Gore types can go sh!t in their flat hats and put it down over their ears,
would you?
>
>Granted, Al Gore has a point, our carbon emissions are so bad, we're even managing
to melt the polar caps on Mars. Believe me, that's bad. LOL
>
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I'd like to weigh-in on this discussion!
I remember the days of being a kid -- when we took guns to school for show and
tell, trade, barter, etc... Now a kid will wind up in jail for mentioning that
he/she has a gun.
The same goes for drinking, a kid can be 18 and put his life on the line for his
country, but if he is caught in the vicinity of an open alcoholic beverage --
he/she is punished.
Oh how I miss the days of old!
I think the pendulum has swung to far and it is time for it to come back.
Now I'm stepping off my soap box and going back to flying
I'll recommend that you carry a weapon as part of your survival gear -- especially
in the wide open spaces or mountainous areas of the West. You may need it
to supply nourishment!
Mack
601XL N990MK
--------
The poh-oh-unemployed farm boy from Idaho
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But pure socialism is not what this country is moving toward in any shape of form.
That will be an irrational fear because it won't happen here in America.
When it comes to European style socialism, most of the fear are based in misconceptions
about their system and exaggeration of their disadvantages.
My point all along have not been that their system is better and we should move
to that model. My point is that it does not justify the fear and contempt that
some people express.
William Dominguez
Zodiac 601XL Plans
--- On Mon, 12/8/08, Rick Lindstrom <tigerrick@mindspring.com> wrote:
From: Rick Lindstrom <tigerrick@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Non building related Question - Hand guns
<tigerrick@mindspring.com>
True, there is no pure capitalism. Pure socialism is another matter, requiring
a totally dependent society on a dictator, monarch, or ruling cabal. It's
been tried before with disastrous results.
Whether fears about increasing socialism (requiring some loss of freedom) are
"irrational" or not depends on your perspective, I guess. You asked
why fear socialism, and the reason is that it requires that someone else
surrender something (usually against their will). What is freedom, anyway? There
can be no freedom without property rights, which includes the right to keep what
you've earned through your own industry.
>From what I've seen, every time we embrace some new socialistic program
that allows us to feel better about ourselves for some brief period of time, the
societal costs are just too high. Our government has no business taking by force
from one to give to another outside of what's conceded by the Constitution
(and thereby insuring their own political careers). I have no problem with
charitable giving and public service programs, but this should be the province
of churches and private community service organizations. When you rob from Peter
to give to Paul, Paul will for sure vote for you again. Maybe Peter will too, if
you convince him that it's for his own good.
Socialism is based on the theory that someone else knows better than you do how
to manage your affairs and your personal effects. It also assumes that societal
power properly resides with those who rule, instead of sparingly granted from
the citizenry.
I can't think of two better reasons to reject socialism, and those who
would enslave us further with it.
Rick
-----Original Message-----
>From: William Dominguez <bill_dom@yahoo.com>
>Sent: Dec 8, 2008 9:52 AM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Non building related Question - Hand guns
>
>Hi Rick,
>
>Thanks for a very thoughtful post Rick. However, let me clarify that my
original point was about irrational fears and not about European socialism vs.
American capitalism. After all, America is not purely capitalistic and Europe is
not purely socialistic.
>
>
>William Dominguez
>Zodiac 601XL Plans
>Miami Florida
>http://www.geocities.com/bill_dom
>
>
>--- On Mon, 12/8/08, Rick Lindstrom <tigerrick@mindspring.com> wrote:
>From: Rick Lindstrom <tigerrick@mindspring.com>
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Non building related Question - Hand guns
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Date: Monday, December 8, 2008, 12:06 PM
>
><tigerrick@mindspring.com>
>
>Hi, Bill! The following is a long post, and has nothing to so with Zenith
>aircraft, only the ability to continue to fly them in the US.
>
>Rather than respond with "what's wrong with socialism,"
I'd
>prefer to answer with "what's right with America." I'm
old
>enough to remember having good public schools, where kids with disruptive
social
>problems were not allowed in the classroom, we recited the pledge every
morning,
>and had comprehensive classes on American history that showcased the ideals
that
>created this unique country.
>
>If I recall correctly, America was founded on religious freedom, personal
>responsibility, and unlimited opportunity. The government was by the
people, not
>a king or dictator. The citizens themselves determined their futures
through
>their representitives, who would leave their own farms or businesses for a
few
>years, serve their constituents, and then return to their homes. Career
>politicians hadn't been invented yet.
>
>America has long been a burr under the saddle of many communist and
socialist
>countries, attracting immigrants from all over the world who trade
everything
>for a single shot at what our citizens all too often take for granted.
America
>could never be conquered by foreign military force, so there's been a
>constant undermining of traditional American values and our unique culture
over
>the past 50 years instead.
>
>And every time we've embarked on some new shiny leftist government
program
>that promises to be the solution to our social ills, we've dug
ourselves
>deeper and deeper into debt and social unrest. Be it LBJ's Great
Society,
>Affirmative Action, the American Disabilities Act, Women's Liberation,
Gay
>Liberation, the Community Reinvestment Act, the EPA, the NEA, or even the
TSA,
>we've only succeeded in removing the commonality we once felt as proud
>Americans and divided Americans into balkanized victim/grievance groups who
now
>view each other with distrust. And our government, who we've
traditionally
>had faith in to be fair and even handed, now views its citizens as mere
rabble,
>whose only value is as a source of income and votes every now and then.
Every
>time I stand in an airport security line, I wonder about the promise of
>"innocent until proven guilty." Now it's the other way
around.
>
>It's sad. The whole point of the civil rights movement in the mid 60s
was
>to make race a non-issue. Instead, we've made race, gender, ethnic or
>religious backgrounds, sexual orientation, and handicaps bargaining chips
for
>societal handouts. Toss in the hugely divisive Vietnam war, media
glorification
>of thuggery, several generations of kids who've been dumbed down and
robbed
>of their proud heritage in public schools, and we have a country at odds
with
>itself, ripe for the pickin'.
>
>But there's still a few of us left who will not go along quietly. We
know
>that the second amendment is the one that guarantees all the others, we
know
>that the responsibility of personal safety and defense cannot be
subcontracted
>out, and we know that this country belongs to its citizens. It is not a
>plaything for those who fancy themselves smarter or better that the people
they
>purport to "serve."
>
>Americans are richly blessed to have inherited a legacy of freedom that
their
>forefathers have bled and died for. And it's up to us to protect it,
and
>hand it down to our children and their children.
>
>I'll take an imperfect free America over perfect socialism any day. The
>sovereignty of the individual Amercian is priceless.
>
>Aim small, miss small.
>
>Rick Lindstrom
>N42KP
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: William Dominguez
> Sent: Dec 8, 2008 7:22 AM
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Non building related Question - Hand guns
>
> I would like those of you in this list who live in
"socialist"
>countries (Canada, Spain, England and may be Australia) to tell me what it
is
>that is so bad that make my fellow Americans so terrified of it.
>
> So far, I've been in Spain, England, France, Germany, Netherlands
and
>Jersey Channel Island, and other than higher taxes and some other
>inconveniences, I still fail to see what make some people in the US to be
sooo
>afraid of it, like living in an Orwellian society as portrayed in the movie
1984
>or something of that nature. Ok, may be they are and I just been unable to
>realized as a tourist traveling and staying in the homes of locals and
family
>members.
>
> Sorry Andy, but I felt like stiring today.
>
> William Dominguez
> Zodiac 601XL Plans
> Miami Florida
> http://www.geocities.com/bill_dom
>
> do not archive
>
>-----Original Message-----
>>From: William Dominguez <bill_dom@yahoo.com>
>>Sent: Dec 8, 2008 7:22 AM
>>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Non building related Question - Hand guns
>>
>>I would like those of you in this list who live in
"socialist"
>countries (Canada, Spain, England and may be Australia) to tell me what it
is
>that is so bad that make my fellow Americans so terrified of it.
>>
>>So far, I've been in Spain, England, France, Germany, Netherlands
and
>Jersey Channel Island, and other than higher taxes and some other
>inconveniences, I still fail to see what make some people in the US to be
sooo
>afraid of it, like living in an Orwellian society as portrayed in the movie
1984
>or something of that nature. Ok, may be they are and I just been unable to
>realized as a tourist traveling and staying in the homes of locals and
family
>members.
>>
>>Sorry Andy, but I felt like stiring today.
>>
>>William Dominguez
>>Zodiac 601XL Plans
>>Miami Florida
>>http://www.geocities.com/bill_dom
>>
>>do not archive
>>--- On Mon, 12/8/08, ashontz <ashontz@nbme.org> wrote:
>>From: ashontz <ashontz@nbme.org>
>>Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Non building related Question - Hand guns
>>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>>Date: Monday, December 8, 2008, 9:24 AM
>>
>><ashontz@nbme.org>
>>
>>Yeah, the gummint would LOVE everyone disarmed, that way they can more
>easily
>>shove socialism (communism with patience) down everyone's throats.
>>There's a reason the right to bear arms is allegedly protected by
the
>>Constitution, for good reason too. We're sliding down a slippery
slope
>here
>>in the US.
>>
>>
>>jaybannist(at)cs.com wrote:
>>> Why in the world should anyone want to protect himself? That is
what
>the
>>gov'ment is for? (Laughing my head off) (:>)
>>>
>>> Jay in Dallas
>>> Do not archive
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>
>>
>>--------
>>Andy Shontz
>>
>>do not archive
>>
>>CH601XL - Corvair
>>www.mykitlog.com/ashontz
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Read this topic online here:
>>
>>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=218189#218189
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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Forgive the ignorance of another barbaric American, but doesn't
Switzerland, the only European country never to have been invaded,
REQUIRE that all able bodied men own a rifle? However, fear not--- we
Americans, having done it twice before, can still remember how to
liberate Europe. But the question is, will we, or will Europe have to
free itself next time, armed with a bag of high quality hash, a bottle
of Pilsener, and a pack of Galoises? I remember as a kid telling my
uncle I was taking French in school, and he told me he knew all the
French an American needed to know: "Ou sont les Allemagnes?"
OK. let the flames (flambeaux) begin! On second thought, let me add a
little gasoline--The only people ever brought to this country against
their will were the Africans. So how come there's more Europeans here
than black people?
And now, back to the original question. I wouldn't bother with a handgun
among the survival supplies. You can get a very nifty collapsible .22 -
.410 over-and-under survival rifle (Remington, I think) for a couple of
hundred bucks, which weighs very little, and is good out to 100 yards.
OK, prepare to flame,-----wait for it,-------FLAME!
Paul Rodriguez
601XL/Corvair
----- Original Message -----
From: Eric Tiethoff (HCCNet)<mailto:j.e.tiethoff@hccnet.nl>
To: zenith-list@matronics.com<mailto:zenith-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 7:59 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Non building related Question - Hand guns
<j.e.tiethoff@hccnet.nl<mailto:j.e.tiethoff@hccnet.nl>>
Why in the world should anybody carry a handgun ? Try grenades ! FAA
aproved. Leaves no broken rivets. Only advantages ! Win win situation
! In
Europe it is (thank God) forbidden to carry arms... Live safe and fly
safe !
Greetings from Holland.
--------------------------------------------------
From: "Rich Simmons"
<4RCSIMMONS@comcast.net<mailto:4RCSIMMONS@comcast.net>>
Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 1:46 PM
To: "Zenith-List Digest Server"
<zenith-list@matronics.com<mailto:zenith-list@matronics.com>>
Subject: Zenith-List: Non building related Question - Hand guns
4RCSIMMONS@comcast.net<mailto:4RCSIMMONS@comcast.net> (Rich Simmons)
>
> Does anybody know what is the legal rules for carrying a handgun on
your
> person at airports and such.
> I know handgun rules vary from state to state however i was
wondering if
> anybody had any knowledge on this thought while flying privately?
>
> DO NOT ACHIEVE
>
> --
> Thanks,
> Rich Simmons
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | You guys are NUTS!!! (was :Non building related Question |
- Hand guns)
Wow, I thought is would be safe to come back on this list after your re-design
of the 601 settled down, I've only been monitoring things for the last week or
so but I see that things have not changed in the least.
I am back outa here guys, good luck with your projects if you can ever get off
your soapboxes long enough to actually build anything.
Do Not Archive
Doug MacDonald
CH-701 Scratch Builder
NW Ontario, Canada
--- On Mon, 12/8/08, paulrod36@msn.com <paulrod36@msn.com> wrote:
> From: paulrod36@msn.com <paulrod36@msn.com>
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Non building related Question - Hand guns
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Date: Monday, December 8, 2008, 2:36 PM
> Forgive the ignorance of another barbaric American, but
> doesn't Switzerland, the only European country never to
> have been invaded, REQUIRE that all able bodied men own a
> rifle? However, fear not--- we Americans, having done it
> twice before, can still remember how to liberate Europe.
> But the question is, will we, or will Europe have to free
> itself next time, armed with a bag of high quality hash, a
> bottle of Pilsener, and a pack of Galoises? I remember as a
> kid telling my uncle I was taking French in school, and he
> told me he knew all the French an American needed to know:
> "Ou sont les Allemagnes?"
>
> OK. let the flames (flambeaux) begin! On second thought,
> let me add a little gasoline--The only people ever brought
> to this country against their will were the Africans. So how
> come there's more Europeans here than black people?
>
> And now, back to the original question. I wouldn't
> bother with a handgun among the survival supplies. You can
> get a very nifty collapsible .22 - .410 over-and-under
> survival rifle (Remington, I think) for a couple of hundred
> bucks, which weighs very little, and is good out to 100
> yards.
>
> OK, prepare to flame,-----wait for it,-------FLAME!
>
> Paul Rodriguez
> 601XL/Corvair
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| Subject: | Re: Non building related Question - Hand guns |
Rick,
-
I have read regularly your emails over the period I have been on the list (
two plus years), as well as the building articles in Kitplanes, nearly all
of which have been interesting and, on occasion, constructively helpful. Yo
u are someone who seems to know airplanes generally, the 601 more particula
rly; it is that competence which I respect. But your most-recent posts illu
strate my earlier suggestion that we take discussions such as this to some
other forum. Someone has observed that while we are certainly entitled to o
ur individual opinions, we are not entitled to our own facts. Your earlier
description of-America's past contains much that seems simply in error wh
ile leaving out whatever does not easily fit. And here, citing Crichton as
an authority on atmospheric warming, you repeat the difficulty.
-
I look forward to further discussion regarding-issues about-which you s
eem-well-informed; soicialism and economic history, however, are not amon
g them.
-
Elden J.
--- On Tue, 12/9/08, Rick Lindstrom <tigerrick@mindspring.com> wrote:
From: Rick Lindstrom <tigerrick@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Non building related Question - Hand guns
<tigerrick@mindspring.com>
Well, I get my aluminum foil (tin is too hard to come by these days) from
Costco, big industrial rolls for cheap! It works just as well as tin, assum
ing
you keep the shiny side out when you make your hat.
I assume you've read "State of Fear" by the late Michael
Crichton?
Absolutely nails the global warming fraud for what it is, he does!
Loading up on incandescents,
Rick
-----Original Message-----
>From: ashontz <ashontz@nbme.org>
>Sent: Dec 8, 2008 10:12 AM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Non building related Question - Hand guns
>
<ashontz@nbme.org>
>
>Rick, you wouldn't happen to be one of those tin-foil hat wearing types
like me that believes that believes that maybe, just maybe, the UN and CFR
along
with Al Gore types can go sh!t in their flat hats and put it down over thei
r
ears, would you?
>
>Granted, Al Gore has a point, our carbon emissions are so bad, we're
even managing to melt the polar caps on Mars. Believe me, that's bad. LOL
>
=0A=0A=0A
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See you missed some classes history, there were people Scotland and Ireland
sold in Georgia, believed they were POWs but not sure. Jerry of GA DO NOT
ARCHIVE
In a message dated 12/8/2008 3:37:34 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
paulrod36@msn.com writes:
OK. let the flames (flambeaux) begin! On second thought, let me add a little
gasoline--The only people ever brought to this country against their will
were the Africans. So how come there's more Europeans here than black people?
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Ricks description of socialism is excellent. Please read and reread
until it sinks in.
Bob Collins
750 Plans
Rick Lindstrom wrote:
>
>
<snip>
> Socialism is based on the theory that someone else knows better than you do how
to manage your affairs and your personal effects. It also assumes that societal
power properly resides with those who rule, instead of sparingly granted
from the citizenry.
>
> I can't think of two better reasons to reject socialism, and those who would
enslave us further with it.
>
> Rick
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Non building related Question - Hand guns |
How long did it take to free the people that were being held on that train
in that safe country of holland , a few years back??, and how many were
killed in the process of getting freeded?? Guns dont kill people, People
kill people . N101HD do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Eric Tiethoff (HCCNet)" <j.e.tiethoff@hccnet.nl>
Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 8:59 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Non building related Question - Hand guns
> <j.e.tiethoff@hccnet.nl>
>
> Why in the world should anybody carry a handgun ? Try grenades ! FAA
> aproved. Leaves no broken rivets. Only advantages ! Win win situation ! In
> Europe it is (thank God) forbidden to carry arms... Live safe and fly safe
> ! Greetings from Holland.
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Rich Simmons" <4RCSIMMONS@comcast.net>
> Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 1:46 PM
> To: "Zenith-List Digest Server" <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Zenith-List: Non building related Question - Hand guns
>
>>
>> Does anybody know what is the legal rules for carrying a handgun on your
>> person at airports and such.
>> I know handgun rules vary from state to state however i was wondering if
>> anybody had any knowledge on this thought while flying privately?
>>
>> DO NOT ACHIEVE
>>
>> --
>> Thanks,
>> Rich Simmons
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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Rick,you hit the nail on the head!!! Joe N101HD
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick Lindstrom" <tigerrick@mindspring.com>
Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 12:06 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Non building related Question - Hand guns
> <tigerrick@mindspring.com>
>
> Hi, Bill! The following is a long post, and has nothing to so with Zenith
> aircraft, only the ability to continue to fly them in the US.
>
> Rather than respond with "what's wrong with socialism," I'd prefer to
> answer with "what's right with America." I'm old enough to remember having
> good public schools, where kids with disruptive social problems were not
> allowed in the classroom, we recited the pledge every morning, and had
> comprehensive classes on American history that showcased the ideals that
> created this unique country.
>
> If I recall correctly, America was founded on religious freedom, personal
> responsibility, and unlimited opportunity. The government was by the
> people, not a king or dictator. The citizens themselves determined their
> futures through their representitives, who would leave their own farms or
> businesses for a few years, serve their constituents, and then return to
> their homes. Career politicians hadn't been invented yet.
>
> America has long been a burr under the saddle of many communist and
> socialist countries, attracting immigrants from all over the world who
> trade everything for a single shot at what our citizens all too often take
> for granted. America could never be conquered by foreign military force,
> so there's been a constant undermining of traditional American values and
> our unique culture over the past 50 years instead.
>
> And every time we've embarked on some new shiny leftist government program
> that promises to be the solution to our social ills, we've dug ourselves
> deeper and deeper into debt and social unrest. Be it LBJ's Great Society,
> Affirmative Action, the American Disabilities Act, Women's Liberation, Gay
> Liberation, the Community Reinvestment Act, the EPA, the NEA, or even the
> TSA, we've only succeeded in removing the commonality we once felt as
> proud Americans and divided Americans into balkanized victim/grievance
> groups who now view each other with distrust. And our government, who
> we've traditionally had faith in to be fair and even handed, now views its
> citizens as mere rabble, whose only value is as a source of income and
> votes every now and then. Every time I stand in an airport security line,
> I wonder about the promise of "innocent until proven guilty." Now it's the
> other way around.
>
> It's sad. The whole point of the civil rights movement in the mid 60s was
> to make race a non-issue. Instead, we've made race, gender, ethnic or
> religious backgrounds, sexual orientation, and handicaps bargaining chips
> for societal handouts. Toss in the hugely divisive Vietnam war, media
> glorification of thuggery, several generations of kids who've been dumbed
> down and robbed of their proud heritage in public schools, and we have a
> country at odds with itself, ripe for the pickin'.
>
> But there's still a few of us left who will not go along quietly. We know
> that the second amendment is the one that guarantees all the others, we
> know that the responsibility of personal safety and defense cannot be
> subcontracted out, and we know that this country belongs to its citizens.
> It is not a plaything for those who fancy themselves smarter or better
> that the people they purport to "serve."
>
> Americans are richly blessed to have inherited a legacy of freedom that
> their forefathers have bled and died for. And it's up to us to protect it,
> and hand it down to our children and their children.
>
> I'll take an imperfect free America over perfect socialism any day. The
> sovereignty of the individual Amercian is priceless.
>
> Aim small, miss small.
>
> Rick Lindstrom
> N42KP
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: William Dominguez
> Sent: Dec 8, 2008 7:22 AM
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Non building related Question - Hand guns
>
> I would like those of you in this list who live in "socialist"
> countries (Canada, Spain, England and may be Australia) to tell me what it
> is that is so bad that make my fellow Americans so terrified of it.
>
> So far, I've been in Spain, England, France, Germany, Netherlands and
> Jersey Channel Island, and other than higher taxes and some other
> inconveniences, I still fail to see what make some people in the US to be
> sooo afraid of it, like living in an Orwellian society as portrayed in the
> movie 1984 or something of that nature. Ok, may be they are and I just
> been unable to realized as a tourist traveling and staying in the homes of
> locals and family members.
>
> Sorry Andy, but I felt like stiring today.
>
> William Dominguez
> Zodiac 601XL Plans
> Miami Florida
> http://www.geocities.com/bill_dom
>
> do not archive
>
> -----Original Message-----
>>From: William Dominguez <bill_dom@yahoo.com>
>>Sent: Dec 8, 2008 7:22 AM
>>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Non building related Question - Hand guns
>>
>>I would like those of you in this list who live in "socialist" countries
>>(Canada, Spain, England and may be Australia) to tell me what it is that
>>is so bad that make my fellow Americans so terrified of it.
>>
>>So far, I've been in Spain, England, France, Germany, Netherlands and
>>Jersey Channel Island, and other than higher taxes and some other
>>inconveniences, I still fail to see what make some people in the US to be
>>sooo afraid of it, like living in an Orwellian society as portrayed in the
>>movie 1984 or something of that nature. Ok, may be they are and I just
>>been unable to realized as a tourist traveling and staying in the homes of
>>locals and family members.
>>
>>Sorry Andy, but I felt like stiring today.
>>
>>William Dominguez
>>Zodiac 601XL Plans
>>Miami Florida
>>http://www.geocities.com/bill_dom
>>
>>do not archive
>>--- On Mon, 12/8/08, ashontz <ashontz@nbme.org> wrote:
>>From: ashontz <ashontz@nbme.org>
>>Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Non building related Question - Hand guns
>>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>>Date: Monday, December 8, 2008, 9:24 AM
>>
>><ashontz@nbme.org>
>>
>>Yeah, the gummint would LOVE everyone disarmed, that way they can more
>>easily
>>shove socialism (communism with patience) down everyone's throats.
>>There's a reason the right to bear arms is allegedly protected by the
>>Constitution, for good reason too. We're sliding down a slippery slope
>>here
>>in the US.
>>
>>
>>jaybannist(at)cs.com wrote:
>>> Why in the world should anyone want to protect himself? That is what
>>> the
>>gov'ment is for? (Laughing my head off) (:>)
>>>
>>> Jay in Dallas
>>> Do not archive
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>
>>
>>--------
>>Andy Shontz
>>
>>do not archive
>>
>>CH601XL - Corvair
>>www.mykitlog.com/ashontz
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Read this topic online here:
>>
>>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=218189#218189
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: You guys are NUTS!!! (was :Non building related Question |
- Hand guns)
Have a nice trip Let me see?,you dont have guns up there and you have free
medical. How's that's working out???? Joe N101HD do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "MacDonald Doug" <dougsnash@yahoo.com>
Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 3:55 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: You guys are NUTS!!! (was :Non building related
Question - Hand guns)
>
> Wow, I thought is would be safe to come back on this list after your
> re-design of the 601 settled down, I've only been monitoring things for
> the last week or so but I see that things have not changed in the least.
>
> I am back outa here guys, good luck with your projects if you can ever get
> off your soapboxes long enough to actually build anything.
>
> Do Not Archive
>
> Doug MacDonald
> CH-701 Scratch Builder
> NW Ontario, Canada
>
>
> --- On Mon, 12/8/08, paulrod36@msn.com <paulrod36@msn.com> wrote:
>
>> From: paulrod36@msn.com <paulrod36@msn.com>
>> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Non building related Question - Hand guns
>> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>> Date: Monday, December 8, 2008, 2:36 PM
>> Forgive the ignorance of another barbaric American, but
>> doesn't Switzerland, the only European country never to
>> have been invaded, REQUIRE that all able bodied men own a
>> rifle? However, fear not--- we Americans, having done it
>> twice before, can still remember how to liberate Europe.
>> But the question is, will we, or will Europe have to free
>> itself next time, armed with a bag of high quality hash, a
>> bottle of Pilsener, and a pack of Galoises? I remember as a
>> kid telling my uncle I was taking French in school, and he
>> told me he knew all the French an American needed to know:
>> "Ou sont les Allemagnes?"
>>
>> OK. let the flames (flambeaux) begin! On second thought,
>> let me add a little gasoline--The only people ever brought
>> to this country against their will were the Africans. So how
>> come there's more Europeans here than black people?
>>
>> And now, back to the original question. I wouldn't
>> bother with a handgun among the survival supplies. You can
>> get a very nifty collapsible .22 - .410 over-and-under
>> survival rifle (Remington, I think) for a couple of hundred
>> bucks, which weighs very little, and is good out to 100
>> yards.
>>
>> OK, prepare to flame,-----wait for it,-------FLAME!
>>
>> Paul Rodriguez
>> 601XL/Corvair
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Non building related Question - Hand guns |
Hi Paul,
I'm trying to keep out of the Socialism discussion, but I can't
resist comment on your notion of survival gear.
I'm afraid most folks couldn't hit the broad side of a barn with a
gun such as the one you described. If they need to hit a small
animal to eat they would probably go hungry. A PLB would be a lot
more useful for survival from an off airport landing. It would allow
direct communication with search and rescue folks from just about
anywhere. It even tells them exactly where you are calling from.
I do like the idea of keeping a small pistol handy, but there are two
differences in this idea from your survival gun. 1) I am a highly
trained marksman with a pistol. 2) It is intended for use against
malicious people rather than defenseless small animals.
Paul
Camas, WA
do not archive
At 12:36 PM 12/8/2008, you wrote:
>And now, back to the original question. I wouldn't bother with a
>handgun among the survival supplies. You can get a very nifty
>collapsible .22 - .410 over-and-under survival rifle (Remington, I
>think) for a couple of hundred bucks, which weighs very little, and
>is good out to 100 yards.
>
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| Subject: | Re: Non building related Question - Hand guns |
Elden, Obviously you've never read Crichton's book. It's loaded with
factual data confirming what he's written, but liberals like yourself
never let the facts get in the way of or own beliefs or agenda.
Randy
Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Elden Jacobson
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 3:15 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Non building related Question - Hand
guns
Rick,
I have read regularly your emails over the period I have been on
the list (two plus years), as well as the building articles in
Kitplanes, nearly all of which have been interesting and, on occasion,
constructively helpful. You are someone who seems to know airplanes
generally, the 601 more particularly; it is that competence which I
respect. But your most-recent posts illustrate my earlier suggestion
that we take discussions such as this to some other forum. Someone has
observed that while we are certainly entitled to our individual
opinions, we are not entitled to our own facts. Your earlier description
of America's past contains much that seems simply in error while leaving
out whatever does not easily fit. And here, citing Crichton as an
authority on atmospheric warming, you repeat the difficulty.
I look forward to further discussion regarding issues about
which you seem well-informed; soicialism and economic history, however,
are not among them.
Elden J.
--- On Tue, 12/9/08, Rick Lindstrom <tigerrick@mindspring.com>
wrote:
From: Rick Lindstrom <tigerrick@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Non building related Question -
Hand guns
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Date: Tuesday, December 9, 2008, 3:06 AM
<tigerrick@mindspring.com>
Well, I get my aluminum foil (tin is too hard to come by these days)
from
Costco, big industrial rolls for cheap! It works just as well as tin,
assuming
you keep the shiny side out when you make your hat.
I assume you've read "State of Fear" by the late Michael
Crichton?
Absolutely nails the global warming fraud for what it is, he does!
Loading up on incandescents,
Rick
-----Original Message-----
>From: ashontz <ashontz@nbme.org>
>Sent: Dec 8, 2008 10:12 AM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Non building related Question - Hand guns
>
<ashontz@nbme.org>
>
>Rick, you wouldn't happen to be one of those tin-foil hat wearing types
like me that believes that believes that maybe, just maybe, the UN and
CFR along
with Al Gore types can go sh!t in their flat hats and put it down over
their
ears, would you?
>
>Granted, Al Gore has a point, our carbon emissions are so bad, we're
even managing to melt the polar caps on Mars. Believe me, that's bad.
LOL
>
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| Subject: | Re: Non building related Question - Hand guns |
Elden:
Thanks for the kind words regarding my KP contributions over the years, I'm pleased
you found them worth reading.
I didn't realize that you and I were having a personal discussion about guns, socialism,
and the like. Bill D. posed a question and I gave my opinion. Which
is all it is, heartfelt as it may be. I have never claimed to "own" facts, but
my observations are based on my personal experience over the last half century.
I never claimed Crichton to be an expert, either, but I do know that his devotion
to scientific method exceeded someone like, say, Al Gore (who has masterfully
picked and chosen his data points carefully to bolster his politically charged
theories).
I won't be offended in the slightest if you completely dismiss anything I write
outside of aviation subjects. But I have been living and observing twice as long
as I've been flying, so forgive me if the reality of my experiences don't
neatly overlay with your own.
Best,
Rick
-----Original Message-----
>From: Elden Jacobson <eldenej@yahoo.com>
>Sent: Dec 8, 2008 4:15 PM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Non building related Question - Hand guns
>
>Rick,
>
>I have read regularly your emails over the period I have been on the list (two
plus years), as well as the building articles in Kitplanes, nearly all of which
have been interesting and, on occasion, constructively helpful. You are someone
who seems to know airplanes generally, the 601 more particularly; it is that
competence which I respect. But your most-recent posts illustrate my earlier
suggestion that we take discussions such as this to some other forum. Someone
has observed that while we are certainly entitled to our individual opinions,
we are not entitled to our own facts. Your earlier description of America's
past contains much that seems simply in error while leaving out whatever does
not easily fit. And here, citing Crichton as an authority on atmospheric warming,
you repeat the difficulty.
>
>I look forward to further discussion regarding issues about which you seem well-informed;
soicialism and economic history, however, are not among them.
>
>Elden J.
>
>--- On Tue, 12/9/08, Rick Lindstrom <tigerrick@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>From: Rick Lindstrom <tigerrick@mindspring.com>
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Non building related Question - Hand guns
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Date: Tuesday, December 9, 2008, 3:06 AM
>
><tigerrick@mindspring.com>
>
>Well, I get my aluminum foil (tin is too hard to come by these days) from
>Costco, big industrial rolls for cheap! It works just as well as tin, assuming
>you keep the shiny side out when you make your hat.
>
>I assume you've read "State of Fear" by the late Michael
>Crichton?
>
>Absolutely nails the global warming fraud for what it is, he does!
>
>Loading up on incandescents,
>
>Rick
>
>-----Original Message-----
>>From: ashontz <ashontz@nbme.org>
>>Sent: Dec 8, 2008 10:12 AM
>>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Non building related Question - Hand guns
>>
><ashontz@nbme.org>
>>
>>Rick, you wouldn't happen to be one of those tin-foil hat wearing types
>like me that believes that believes that maybe, just maybe, the UN and CFR along
>with Al Gore types can go sh!t in their flat hats and put it down over their
>ears, would you?
>>
>>Granted, Al Gore has a point, our carbon emissions are so bad, we're
>even managing to melt the polar caps on Mars. Believe me, that's bad. LOL
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Do you value this list? |
Do you value this list? Did you recently make a contribution to Matt to
support it?
THEN WHY DAMAGE IT?
Every post you make on controversial, non-aviation related topics hurts this
list. You drive people away. You stir up emotions that get in the way of
factual aviation-related discussions. You waste builders time.
Your posts, no matter how clever, cutting or brilliant - WILL NOT CHANGE
MINDS on topics that have been argued over forever.
There are plenty of places to have political discussions. There is only one
Zenith list. If you damage or destroy it then you will have no other place
to go for help in building your Zenith aircraft.
So before you reach for your keyboard to fire off your next response please
reflect on the above.
-- Craig
(oh, and do not archive)
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| Subject: | Re: Non building related Question - Hand guns |
OK, my three cents: Its a fact that A4 rivets have a spacing of 20mm in
most cases. The A5 has a 40 mm spacing however.
Im still waiting if any of yous can help me with my fuel tank problem.
SW
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Mulwitz" <psm@att.net>
Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 3:16 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Non building related Question - Hand guns
>
> Hi Paul,
>
> I'm trying to keep out of the Socialism discussion, but I can't resist
> comment on your notion of survival gear.
>
> I'm afraid most folks couldn't hit the broad side of a barn with a gun
> such as the one you described. If they need to hit a small animal to eat
> they would probably go hungry. A PLB would be a lot more useful for
> survival from an off airport landing. It would allow direct communication
> with search and rescue folks from just about anywhere. It even tells them
> exactly where you are calling from.
>
> I do like the idea of keeping a small pistol handy, but there are two
> differences in this idea from your survival gun. 1) I am a highly
> trained marksman with a pistol. 2) It is intended for use against
> malicious people rather than defenseless small animals.
>
> Paul
> Camas, WA
> do not archive
>
> At 12:36 PM 12/8/2008, you wrote:
>>And now, back to the original question. I wouldn't bother with a handgun
>>among the survival supplies. You can get a very nifty collapsible .22 -
>>.410 over-and-under survival rifle (Remington, I think) for a couple of
>>hundred bucks, which weighs very little, and is good out to 100 yards.
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Do you value this list? |
Well put Craig! I agree wholeheartedly.
Raymond Julian
Kettle River, MN
"Hope for the best,
but prepare for the worst."
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 4:31 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Do you value this list?
>
> Do you value this list? Did you recently make a contribution to Matt to
> support it?
>
> THEN WHY DAMAGE IT?
>
> Every post you make on controversial, non-aviation related topics hurts
> this
> list. You drive people away. You stir up emotions that get in the way of
> factual aviation-related discussions. You waste builders time.
>
> Your posts, no matter how clever, cutting or brilliant - WILL NOT CHANGE
> MINDS on topics that have been argued over forever.
>
> There are plenty of places to have political discussions. There is only
> one
> Zenith list. If you damage or destroy it then you will have no other place
> to go for help in building your Zenith aircraft.
>
> So before you reach for your keyboard to fire off your next response
> please
> reflect on the above.
>
> -- Craig
>
> (oh, and do not archive)
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Do you value this list? |
I second that motion.
I too have very, *very*, strong opinions about many of these non-aviation
issues and I would be happy to debate them off list - but this is one of the
few blissfully politics-free public forums I have ever read. Please, for
the love of flying, can we please not let this list turn in to yet another
back-and-forth political blog? Please?
Please?
Dave
(do not archive)
On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 5:31 PM, Craig Payne <craig@craigandjean.com> wrote:
>
> Do you value this list? Did you recently make a contribution to Matt to
> support it?
>
> THEN WHY DAMAGE IT?
>
> Every post you make on controversial, non-aviation related topics hurts
> this
> list. You drive people away. You stir up emotions that get in the way of
> factual aviation-related discussions. You waste builders time.
>
> Your posts, no matter how clever, cutting or brilliant - WILL NOT CHANGE
> MINDS on topics that have been argued over forever.
>
> There are plenty of places to have political discussions. There is only one
> Zenith list. If you damage or destroy it then you will have no other place
> to go for help in building your Zenith aircraft.
>
> So before you reach for your keyboard to fire off your next response please
> reflect on the above.
>
> -- Craig
>
> (oh, and do not archive)
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: MA3-SPA Throttle bellcrank |
Gig-
Oh, yeah, I've also got the Y stick, so I don't have much choice. I just
can't believe there isn't a lister out there with the same config as mine.
Coming up with the measurements after the engine is mounted would be a snap,
but then you'll be maneuvering around a water buffalo for sure. It'd be nice
to have all the firewall stuff mounted before hanging the engine.
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gig Giacona" <wrgiacona@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 9:34 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: MA3-SPA Throttle bellcrank
>
>
> naumuk(at)alltel.net wrote:
>> Gig-
>> Unless you have a header tank in the way.
>> Bill
>> ---
>
>
> Good point. I've not looked behind the panel of a 601 with a header but
> while working with the a throttle cable this weekend it seems that you
> could just use a longer cable to get around a water buffalo behind the
> panel. Of course I'm not installing dual throttle controls either.
>
> --------
> W.R. "Gig" Giacona
> 601XL Under Construction
> See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=218192#218192
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Do you value this list? |
Craig is right guys. Nothing good can come from these off topic strings. There
are all kinds of places to carry these discussions and we need to keep this list
focused on building airplanes and helping each other. Please stop this.
Do not archive.
----- Original Message ----
From: Craig Payne <craig@craigandjean.com>
Sent: Monday, December 8, 2008 4:31:28 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Do you value this list?
Do you value this list? Did you recently make a contribution to Matt to
support it?
THEN WHY DAMAGE IT?
Every post you make on controversial, non-aviation related topics hurts this
list. You drive people away. You stir up emotions that get in the way of
factual aviation-related discussions. You waste builders time.
Your posts, no matter how clever, cutting or brilliant - WILL NOT CHANGE
MINDS on topics that have been argued over forever.
There are plenty of places to have political discussions. There is only one
Zenith list. If you damage or destroy it then you will have no other place
to go for help in building your Zenith aircraft.
So before you reach for your keyboard to fire off your next response please
reflect on the above.
-- Craig
(oh, and do not archive)
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Very well said, Craig.
A new 650 builder contacted me this weekend and was not aware of the
Matronics list. I prompted him to sign up because of the excellent builder
support he would receive. I can only hope he waits a few days to subscribe
so, hopefully, we can use the time to get back to the purpose for which this
list was established.
Larry Winger
650/Covair
Do Not Archive
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Have you ever tried to fly a GA airplane in Europe?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: William Dominguez <bill_dom@yahoo.com>
>
> I would like those of you in this list who live in "socialist"
> countries (Canada, Spain, England and may be Australia) to tell me
> what it is that is so bad that make my fellow Americans so terrified
> of it.
>
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL,
RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.
do not archive.
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Yep, Larry, Craig, et al.
I agree that politics really don't belong here.
I apologize to rising to the bait on this forum.
Now, back to building my rolling wing cradles for the 601...
Rick
-----Original Message-----
>From: Larry Winger <larrywinger@gmail.com>
>Sent: Dec 8, 2008 6:20 PM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Do you value this list?
>
>Very well said, Craig.
>
>A new 650 builder contacted me this weekend and was not aware of the
>Matronics list. I prompted him to sign up because of the excellent builder
>support he would receive. I can only hope he waits a few days to subscribe
>so, hopefully, we can use the time to get back to the purpose for which this
>list was established.
>
>Larry Winger
>650/Covair
>Do Not Archive
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Yes, Randy, I have; I teach this stuff. Your response helps explain why I a
m not interested in anything (on this forum) beyond building my xl.
-
Elden
--- On Tue, 12/9/08, Randy <rpf@wi.rr.com> wrote:
From: Randy <rpf@wi.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Non building related Question - Hand guns
Elden, Obviously you've never read Crichton's book.- It's loaded with fac
tual data confirming what he's written, but liberals like yourself never le
t the facts get in the way of or own beliefs or agenda.
-
Randy
-
Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Elden Jacobson
Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 3:15 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Non building related Question - Hand guns
Rick,
-
I have read regularly your emails over the period I have been on the list (
two plus years), as well as the building articles in Kitplanes, nearly all
of which have been interesting and, on occasion, constructively helpful. Yo
u are someone who seems to know airplanes generally, the 601 more particula
rly; it is that competence which I respect. But your most-recent posts illu
strate my earlier suggestion that we take discussions such as this to some
other forum. Someone has observed that while we are certainly entitled to o
ur individual opinions, we are not entitled to our own facts. Your earlier
description of-America's past contains much that seems simply in error wh
ile leaving out whatever does not easily fit. And here, citing Crichton as
an authority on atmospheric warming, you repeat the difficulty.
-
I look forward to further discussion regarding-issues about-which you s
eem-well-informed; soicialism and economic history, however, are not amon
g them.
-
Elden J.
--- On Tue, 12/9/08, Rick Lindstrom <tigerrick@mindspring.com> wrote:
From: Rick Lindstrom <tigerrick@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Non building related Question - Hand guns
<tigerrick@mindspring.com>
Well, I get my aluminum foil (tin is too hard to come by these days) from
Costco, big industrial rolls for cheap! It works just as well as tin, assum
ing
you keep the shiny side out when you make your hat.
I assume you've read "State of Fear" by the late Michael
Crichton?
Absolutely nails the global warming fraud for what it is, he does!
Loading up on incandescents,
Rick
-----Original Message-----
>From: ashontz <ashontz@nbme.org>
>Sent: Dec 8, 2008 10:12 AM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Non building related Question - Hand guns
>
<ashontz@nbme.org>
>
>Rick, you wouldn't happen to be one of those tin-foil hat wearing types
like me that believes that believes that maybe, just maybe, the UN and CFR
along
with Al Gore types can go sh!t in their flat hats and put it down over thei
r
ears, would you?
>
>Granted, Al Gore has a point, our carbon emissions are so bad, we're
even managing to melt the polar caps on Mars. Believe me, that's bad. LOL
>
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| Subject: | Re: Non building related Question - Hand guns |
Rick,
-
Your reply (rather unlike your earlier invocation of Crichton) has the kind
of temperate quality that I can respect, if not agree with.
-
I saw your xl in Cloverdale right after Woody Hays delivered it: beautiful!
-
Elden
-
--- On Tue, 12/9/08, Rick Lindstrom <tigerrick@mindspring.com> wrote:
From: Rick Lindstrom <tigerrick@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Non building related Question - Hand guns
<tigerrick@mindspring.com>
Elden:
Thanks for the kind words regarding my KP contributions over the years, I'm
pleased you found them worth reading.
I didn't realize that you and I were having a personal discussion about
guns, socialism, and the like. Bill D. posed a question and I gave my opini
on.
Which is all it is, heartfelt as it may be. I have never claimed to
"own" facts, but my observations are based on my personal experience
over the last half century.
I never claimed Crichton to be an expert, either, but I do know that his
devotion to scientific method exceeded someone like, say, Al Gore (who has
masterfully picked and chosen his data points carefully to bolster his
politically charged theories).
I won't be offended in the slightest if you completely dismiss anything I
write outside of aviation subjects. But I have been living and observing tw
ice
as long as I've been flying, so forgive me if the reality of my experiences
don't neatly overlay with your own.
Best,
Rick
-----Original Message-----
>From: Elden Jacobson <eldenej@yahoo.com>
>Sent: Dec 8, 2008 4:15 PM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Non building related Question - Hand guns
>
>Rick,
>
>I have read regularly your emails over the period I have been on the list
(two plus years), as well as the building articles in Kitplanes, nearly all
of
which have been interesting and, on occasion, constructively helpful. You a
re
someone who seems to know airplanes generally, the 601 more particularly; i
t is
that competence which I respect. But your most-recent posts illustrate my
earlier suggestion that we take discussions such as this to some other foru
m.
Someone has observed that while we are certainly entitled to our individual
opinions, we are not entitled to our own facts. Your earlier description of
America's past contains much that seems simply in error while leaving out
whatever does not easily fit. And here, citing Crichton as an authority on
atmospheric warming, you repeat the difficulty.
>
>I look forward to further discussion regarding issues about which you seem
well-informed; soicialism and economic history, however, are not among them
.
>
>Elden J.
>
>--- On Tue, 12/9/08, Rick Lindstrom <tigerrick@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>From: Rick Lindstrom <tigerrick@mindspring.com>
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Non building related Question - Hand guns
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Date: Tuesday, December 9, 2008, 3:06 AM
>
><tigerrick@mindspring.com>
>
>Well, I get my aluminum foil (tin is too hard to come by these days) from
>Costco, big industrial rolls for cheap! It works just as well as tin,
assuming
>you keep the shiny side out when you make your hat.
>
>I assume you've read "State of Fear" by the late Michael
>Crichton?
>
>Absolutely nails the global warming fraud for what it is, he does!
>
>Loading up on incandescents,
>
>Rick
>
>-----Original Message-----
>>From: ashontz <ashontz@nbme.org>
>>Sent: Dec 8, 2008 10:12 AM
>>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Non building related Question - Hand guns
>>
><ashontz@nbme.org>
>>
>>Rick, you wouldn't happen to be one of those tin-foil hat wearing
types
>like me that believes that believes that maybe, just maybe, the UN and CFR
along
>with Al Gore types can go sh!t in their flat hats and put it down over
their
>ears, would you?
>>
>>Granted, Al Gore has a point, our carbon emissions are so bad,
we're
>even managing to melt the polar caps on Mars. Believe me, that's bad.
LOL
>>
>
>
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Rick,
-
Your reply (rather unlike your earlier invocation of Crichton) has the kind
of temperate quality that I can respect, if not agree with.
-
I saw your xl in Cloverdale right after Woody Hays delivered it: beautiful!
-
Elden
-
--- On Tue, 12/9/08, Rick Lindstrom <tigerrick@mindspring.com> wrote:
From: Rick Lindstrom <tigerrick@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Non building related Question - Hand guns
<tigerrick@mindspring.com>
Elden:
Thanks for the kind words regarding my KP contributions over the years, I'm
pleased you found them worth reading.
I didn't realize that you and I were having a personal discussion about
guns, socialism, and the like. Bill D. posed a question and I gave my opini
on.
Which is all it is, heartfelt as it may be. I have never claimed to
"own" facts, but my observations are based on my personal experience
over the last half century.
I never claimed Crichton to be an expert, either, but I do know that his
devotion to scientific method exceeded someone like, say, Al Gore (who has
masterfully picked and chosen his data points carefully to bolster his
politically charged theories).
I won't be offended in the slightest if you completely dismiss anything I
write outside of aviation subjects. But I have been living and observing tw
ice
as long as I've been flying, so forgive me if the reality of my experiences
don't neatly overlay with your own.
Best,
Rick
-----Original Message-----
>From: Elden Jacobson <eldenej@yahoo.com>
>Sent: Dec 8, 2008 4:15 PM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Non building related Question - Hand guns
>
>Rick,
>
>I have read regularly your emails over the period I have been on the list
(two plus years), as well as the building articles in Kitplanes, nearly all
of
which have been interesting and, on occasion, constructively helpful. You a
re
someone who seems to know airplanes generally, the 601 more particularly; i
t is
that competence which I respect. But your most-recent posts illustrate my
earlier suggestion that we take discussions such as this to some other foru
m.
Someone has observed that while we are certainly entitled to our individual
opinions, we are not entitled to our own facts. Your earlier description of
America's past contains much that seems simply in error while leaving out
whatever does not easily fit. And here, citing Crichton as an authority on
atmospheric warming, you repeat the difficulty.
>
>I look forward to further discussion regarding issues about which you seem
well-informed; soicialism and economic history, however, are not among them
.
>
>Elden J.
>
>--- On Tue, 12/9/08, Rick Lindstrom <tigerrick@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>From: Rick Lindstrom <tigerrick@mindspring.com>
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Non building related Question - Hand guns
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Date: Tuesday, December 9, 2008, 3:06 AM
>
><tigerrick@mindspring.com>
>
>Well, I get my aluminum foil (tin is too hard to come by these days) from
>Costco, big industrial rolls for cheap! It works just as well as tin,
assuming
>you keep the shiny side out when you make your hat.
>
>I assume you've read "State of Fear" by the late Michael
>Crichton?
>
>Absolutely nails the global warming fraud for what it is, he does!
>
>Loading up on incandescents,
>
>Rick
>
>-----Original Message-----
>>From: ashontz <ashontz@nbme.org>
>>Sent: Dec 8, 2008 10:12 AM
>>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Non building related Question - Hand guns
>>
><ashontz@nbme.org>
>>
>>Rick, you wouldn't happen to be one of those tin-foil hat wearing
types
>like me that believes that believes that maybe, just maybe, the UN and CFR
along
>with Al Gore types can go sh!t in their flat hats and put it down over
their
>ears, would you?
>>
>>Granted, Al Gore has a point, our carbon emissions are so bad,
we're
>even managing to melt the polar caps on Mars. Believe me, that's bad.
LOL
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: You guys are NUTS!!! (was :Non building related Question |
- Hand guns)
the problem with the portable rifle is the caliber 0.22 (good for rats) and the
price is way up $500.00. nice to put under the seat though.. Mini 14 is perfect
, light, good caliber( 44 mag if desired). anyway, its good emergency in the
back f the plane in a duffle alond with a wool blanket. and a first aid kit.
and one good knike, prefeably a stiff k bar. with a serated side. it comes
out and goes home when plane is tied down.
-----Original Message-----
>From: Southern Reflections <purplemoon99@bellsouth.net>
>Sent: Dec 8, 2008 5:14 PM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: You guys are NUTS!!! (was :Non building related Question
- Hand guns)
>
>
>Have a nice trip Let me see?,you dont have guns up there and you have free
>medical. How's that's working out???? Joe N101HD do not archive
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "MacDonald Doug" <dougsnash@yahoo.com>
>To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
>Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 3:55 PM
>Subject: Zenith-List: You guys are NUTS!!! (was :Non building related
>Question - Hand guns)
>
>
>>
>> Wow, I thought is would be safe to come back on this list after your
>> re-design of the 601 settled down, I've only been monitoring things for
>> the last week or so but I see that things have not changed in the least.
>>
>> I am back outa here guys, good luck with your projects if you can ever get
>> off your soapboxes long enough to actually build anything.
>>
>> Do Not Archive
>>
>> Doug MacDonald
>> CH-701 Scratch Builder
>> NW Ontario, Canada
>>
>>
>> --- On Mon, 12/8/08, paulrod36@msn.com <paulrod36@msn.com> wrote:
>>
>>> From: paulrod36@msn.com <paulrod36@msn.com>
>>> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Non building related Question - Hand guns
>>> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>>> Date: Monday, December 8, 2008, 2:36 PM
>>> Forgive the ignorance of another barbaric American, but
>>> doesn't Switzerland, the only European country never to
>>> have been invaded, REQUIRE that all able bodied men own a
>>> rifle? However, fear not--- we Americans, having done it
>>> twice before, can still remember how to liberate Europe.
>>> But the question is, will we, or will Europe have to free
>>> itself next time, armed with a bag of high quality hash, a
>>> bottle of Pilsener, and a pack of Galoises? I remember as a
>>> kid telling my uncle I was taking French in school, and he
>>> told me he knew all the French an American needed to know:
>>> "Ou sont les Allemagnes?"
>>>
>>> OK. let the flames (flambeaux) begin! On second thought,
>>> let me add a little gasoline--The only people ever brought
>>> to this country against their will were the Africans. So how
>>> come there's more Europeans here than black people?
>>>
>>> And now, back to the original question. I wouldn't
>>> bother with a handgun among the survival supplies. You can
>>> get a very nifty collapsible .22 - .410 over-and-under
>>> survival rifle (Remington, I think) for a couple of hundred
>>> bucks, which weighs very little, and is good out to 100
>>> yards.
>>>
>>> OK, prepare to flame,-----wait for it,-------FLAME!
>>>
>>> Paul Rodriguez
>>> 601XL/Corvair
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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Ya, thank god, and hope the Nazi's don't come back !!!
Roger
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Eric Tiethoff
(HCCNet)
Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 7:59 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Non building related Question - Hand guns
<j.e.tiethoff@hccnet.nl>
Why in the world should anybody carry a handgun ? Try grenades ! FAA
aproved. Leaves no broken rivets. Only advantages ! Win win situation ! In
Europe it is (thank God) forbidden to carry arms... Live safe and fly safe !
Greetings from Holland.
--------------------------------------------------
From: "Rich Simmons" <4RCSIMMONS@comcast.net>
Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 1:46 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Non building related Question - Hand guns
>
> Does anybody know what is the legal rules for carrying a handgun on your
> person at airports and such.
> I know handgun rules vary from state to state however i was wondering if
> anybody had any knowledge on this thought while flying privately?
>
> DO NOT ACHIEVE
>
> --
> Thanks,
> Rich Simmons
>
>
>
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An 18 year old drinking is putting his life on the line,and mine.
Too many close calls delivering pizzas to the dorms not to notice
a huge reduction in close calls after the drinking age went up.
Roger
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of aprazer
Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 1:40 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Non building related Question - Hand guns
I'd like to weigh-in on this discussion!
I remember the days of being a kid -- when we took guns to school for show
and tell, trade, barter, etc... Now a kid will wind up in jail for
mentioning that he/she has a gun.
The same goes for drinking, a kid can be 18 and put his life on the line for
his country, but if he is caught in the vicinity of an open alcoholic
beverage -- he/she is punished.
Oh how I miss the days of old!
I think the pendulum has swung to far and it is time for it to come back.
Now I'm stepping off my soap box and going back to flying
I'll recommend that you carry a weapon as part of your survival gear --
especially in the wide open spaces or mountainous areas of the West. You
may need it to supply nourishment!
Mack
601XL N990MK
--------
The poh-oh-unemployed farm boy from Idaho
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=218269#218269
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I would just like to point out, the only people the American police are
trained to protect,
are themselves. Got Amo?
Roger
_____
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of William
Dominguez
Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 2:34 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Non building related Question - Hand guns
But pure socialism is not what this country is moving toward in any shape of
form. That will be an irrational fear because it won't happen here in
America.
When it comes to European style socialism, most of the fear are based in
misconceptions about their system and exaggeration of their disadvantages.
My point all along have not been that their system is better and we should
move to that model. My point is that it does not justify the fear and
contempt that some people express.
William Dominguez
Zodiac 601XL Plans
--- On Mon, 12/8/08, Rick Lindstrom <tigerrick@mindspring.com> wrote:
From: Rick Lindstrom <tigerrick@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Non building related Question - Hand guns
<tigerrick@mindspring.com>
True, there is no pure capitalism. Pure socialism is another matter,
requiring
a totally dependent society on a dictator, monarch, or ruling cabal. It's
been tried before with disastrous results.
Whether fears about increasing socialism (requiring some loss of freedom)
are
"irrational" or not depends on your perspective, I guess. You asked
why fear socialism, and the reason is that it requires that someone else
surrender something (usually against their will). What is freedom, anyway?
There
can be no freedom without property rights, which includes the right to keep
what
you've earned through your own industry.
>From what I've seen, every time we embrace some new socialistic program
that allows us to feel better about
ourselves for some brief period of time, the
societal costs are just too high. Our government has no business taking by
force
from one to give to another outside of what's conceded by the Constitution
(and thereby insuring their own political careers). I have no problem with
charitable giving and public service programs, but this should be the
province
of churches and private community service organizations. When you rob from
Peter
to give to Paul, Paul will for sure vote for you again. Maybe Peter will
too, if
you convince him that it's for his own good.
Socialism is based on the theory that someone else knows better than you do
how
to manage your affairs and your personal effects. It also assumes that
societal
power properly resides with those who rule, instead of sparingly granted
from
the citizenry.
I can't think of two better reasons to reject socialism, and those who
would enslave us further with
it.
Rick
-----Original Message-----
>From: William Dominguez <bill_dom@yahoo.com>
>Sent: Dec 8, 2008 9:52 AM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Non building related Question - Hand guns
>
>Hi Rick,
>
>Thanks for a very thoughtful post Rick. However, let me clarify that my
original point was about irrational fears and not about European socialism
vs.
American capitalism. After all, America is not purely capitalistic and
Europe is
not purely socialistic.
>
>
>William Dominguez
>Zodiac 601XL Plans
>Miami Florida
>http://www.geocities.com/bill_dom
>
>
>--- On Mon, 12/8/08, Rick Lindstrom <tigerrick@mindspring.com> wrote:
>From: Rick Lindstrom <tigerrick@mindspring.com>
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Non building related Question - Hand guns
>To:
zenith-list@matronics.com
>Date: Monday, December 8, 2008, 12:06 PM
>
><tigerrick@mindspring.com>
>
>Hi, Bill! The following is a long post, and has nothing to so with Zenith
>aircraft, only the ability to continue to fly them in the US.
>
>Rather than respond with "what's wrong with socialism,"
I'd
>prefer to answer with "what's right with America." I'm
old
>enough to remember having good public schools, where kids with disruptive
social
>problems were not allowed in the classroom, we recited the pledge every
morning,
>and had comprehensive classes on American history that showcased the ideals
that
>created this unique country.
>
>If I recall correctly, America was founded on religious freedom, personal
>responsibility, and unlimited opportunity. The government was by
the
people, not
>a king or dictator. The citizens themselves determined their futures
through
>their representitives, who would leave their own farms or businesses for a
few
>years, serve their constituents, and then return to their homes. Career
>politicians hadn't been invented yet.
>
>America has long been a burr under the saddle of many communist and
socialist
>countries, attracting immigrants from all over the world who trade
everything
>for a single shot at what our citizens all too often take for granted.
America
>could never be conquered by foreign military force, so there's been a
>constant undermining of traditional American values and our unique culture
over
>the past 50 years instead.
>
>And every time we've embarked on some new shiny leftist government
program
>that promises to be the solution to our social ills, we've
dug
ourselves
>deeper and deeper into debt and social unrest. Be it LBJ's Great
Society,
>Affirmative Action, the American Disabilities Act, Women's Liberation,
Gay
>Liberation, the Community Reinvestment Act, the EPA, the NEA, or even the
TSA,
>we've only succeeded in removing the commonality we once felt as proud
>Americans and divided Americans into balkanized victim/grievance groups who
now
>view each other with distrust. And our government, who we've
traditionally
>had faith in to be fair and even handed, now views its citizens as mere
rabble,
>whose only value is as a source of income and votes every now and then.
Every
>time I stand in an airport security line, I wonder about the promise of
>"innocent until proven guilty." Now it's the other way
around.
>
>It's sad. The whole point of the civil rights movement in the mid 60s
was
>to make
race a non-issue. Instead, we've made race, gender, ethnic or
>religious backgrounds, sexual orientation, and handicaps bargaining chips
for
>societal handouts. Toss in the hugely divisive Vietnam war, media
glorification
>of thuggery, several generations of kids who've been dumbed down and
robbed
>of their proud heritage in public schools, and we have a country at odds
with
>itself, ripe for the pickin'.
>
>But there's still a few of us left who will not go along quietly. We
know
>that the second amendment is the one that guarantees all the others, we
know
>that the responsibility of personal safety and defense cannot be
subcontracted
>out, and we know that this country belongs to its citizens. It is not a
>plaything for those who fancy themselves smarter or better that the people
they
>purport to "serve."
>
>Americans are richly blessed to have
inherited a legacy of freedom that
their
>forefathers have bled and died for. And it's up to us to protect it,
and
>hand it down to our children and their children.
>
>I'll take an imperfect free America over perfect socialism any day. The
>sovereignty of the individual Amercian is priceless.
>
>Aim small, miss small.
>
>Rick Lindstrom
>N42KP
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: William Dominguez
> Sent: Dec 8, 2008 7:22 AM
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Non building related Question - Hand guns
>
> I would like those of you in this list who live in
"socialist"
>countries (Canada, Spain, England and may be Australia) to tell me what it
is
>that is so bad that make my fellow Americans so terrified of it.
>
> So far, I've been in Spain, England, France,
Germany, Netherlands
and
>Jersey Channel Island, and other than higher taxes and some other
>inconveniences, I still fail to see what make some people in the US to be
sooo
>afraid of it, like living in an Orwellian society as portrayed in the movie
1984
>or something of that nature. Ok, may be they are and I just been unable to
>realized as a tourist traveling and staying in the homes of locals and
family
>members.
>
> Sorry Andy, but I felt like stiring today.
>
> William Dominguez
> Zodiac 601XL Plans
> Miami Florida
> http://www.geocities.com/bill_dom
>
> do not archive
>
>-----Original Message-----
>>From: William Dominguez <bill_dom@yahoo.com>
>>Sent: Dec 8, 2008 7:22 AM
>>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Non building related Question - Hand
guns
>>
>>I would like those of you in this list who live in
"socialist"
>countries (Canada, Spain, England and may be Australia) to tell me what it
is
>that is so bad that make my fellow Americans so terrified of it.
>>
>>So far, I've been in Spain, England, France, Germany, Netherlands
and
>Jersey Channel Island, and other than higher taxes and some other
>inconveniences, I still fail to see what make some people in the US to be
sooo
>afraid of it, like living in an Orwellian society as portrayed in the movie
1984
>or something of that nature. Ok, may be they are and I just been unable to
>realized as a tourist traveling and staying in the homes of locals and
family
>members.
>>
>>Sorry Andy, but I felt like stiring today.
>>
>>William Dominguez
>>Zodiac 601XL Plans
>>Miami
Florida
>>http://www.geocities.com/bill_dom
>>
>>do not archive
>>--- On Mon, 12/8/08, ashontz <ashontz@nbme.org> wrote:
>>From: ashontz <ashontz@nbme.org>
>>Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Non building related Question - Hand guns
>>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>>Date: Monday, December 8, 2008, 9:24 AM
>>
>><ashontz@nbme.org>
>>
>>Yeah, the gummint would LOVE everyone disarmed, that way they can more
>easily
>>shove socialism (communism with patience) down everyone's throats.
>>There's a reason the right to bear arms is allegedly protected by
the
>>Constitution, for good reason too. We're sliding down a slippery
slope
>here
>>in the US.
>>
>>
>>jaybannist(at)cs.com wrote:
>>> Why in
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Defenseless small animals? Are you nuts? The last rabbit I shot charged
me, it headed straight form my iliac artery !!!!!!
Roger
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Mulwitz
Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 4:16 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Non building related Question - Hand guns
Hi Paul,
I'm trying to keep out of the Socialism discussion, but I can't
resist comment on your notion of survival gear.
I'm afraid most folks couldn't hit the broad side of a barn with a
gun such as the one you described. If they need to hit a small
animal to eat they would probably go hungry. A PLB would be a lot
more useful for survival from an off airport landing. It would allow
direct communication with search and rescue folks from just about
anywhere. It even tells them exactly where you are calling from.
I do like the idea of keeping a small pistol handy, but there are two
differences in this idea from your survival gun. 1) I am a highly
trained marksman with a pistol. 2) It is intended for use against
malicious people rather than defenseless small animals.
Paul
Camas, WA
do not archive
At 12:36 PM 12/8/2008, you wrote:
>And now, back to the original question. I wouldn't bother with a
>handgun among the survival supplies. You can get a very nifty
>collapsible .22 - .410 over-and-under survival rifle (Remington, I
>think) for a couple of hundred bucks, which weighs very little, and
>is good out to 100 yards.
>
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| Subject: | Re: Do you value this list? |
Hi,
I used to read the Zenith list regularly but was disappointed and left because
of one fellow. I now reside on the 701/801 and Rotax Engine lists.
The reason I posted here is because:
1. I agree with Craig's comment.
2. I got the email today from Matt Draille with the list of contributers and browsed
down the list, first to make sure my name was on the list, since I do make
a contribution each year. After seeing that my name was included, I scrolled
back up the list to see if a certain person who was the primary reason for
me leaving made a contribution. Guess what? His name was not listed.
I know that mistakes can happen and perhaps the person's name got left off the
list inadvertently.
Hopefully that is the case.
Tommy Walker in Alabama
Do Not Archive :)
--------
Tommy Walker
N8701 - Anniston, AL
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=218365#218365
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that is hillarious. !
-----Original Message-----
>From: Walter Yankauskas <w@waltery.com>
>Sent: Dec 8, 2008 12:14 PM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Non building related Question - Hand guns
>
>
>Up until a few years ago, you were required to have a firearm as part of
>your emergency kit in Alaska.
>
>Most people carried pistols, which leads to the old joke: "Why do you
>file the front sight off of a 357 Magnum pistol?"
>
>The answer is "So that it doesn't hurt so much when the bear shoves it
>up your a**".
>
>Walter from Anchorage - working on 701 Right Wing
>
>Do not archive
>
>Rich Simmons wrote:
>>
>> Does anybody know what is the legal rules for carrying a handgun on your person
at airports and such.
>> I know handgun rules vary from state to state however i was wondering if anybody
had any knowledge on this thought while flying privately?
>>
>> DO NOT ACHIEVE
>>
>> --
>> Thanks,
>> Rich Simmons
>>
>
>
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I support the right to arm bears.
-- Craig
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Juan Vega
Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 5:59 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Non building related Question - Hand guns
that is hillarious. !
-----Original Message-----
>From: Walter Yankauskas <w@waltery.com>
>Sent: Dec 8, 2008 12:14 PM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Non building related Question - Hand guns
>
>
>Up until a few years ago, you were required to have a firearm as part of
>your emergency kit in Alaska.
>
>Most people carried pistols, which leads to the old joke: "Why do you
>file the front sight off of a 357 Magnum pistol?"
>
>The answer is "So that it doesn't hurt so much when the bear shoves it
>up your a**".
>
>Walter from Anchorage - working on 701 Right Wing
>
>Do not archive
>
>Rich Simmons wrote:
>>
>> Does anybody know what is the legal rules for carrying a handgun on your person
at airports and such.
>> I know handgun rules vary from state to state however i was wondering if anybody
had any knowledge on this thought while flying privately?
>>
>> DO NOT ACHIEVE
>>
>> --
>> Thanks,
>> Rich Simmons
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: You guys are NUTS!!! (was :Non building related Question |
- Hand guns)
Juan , when I was A kid we would kill gators in those same everglades that
you are flying over,with one shot I mite add. Mini-14 is a good choice
,but a.22 is lighter and you can carry 100 rounds in one hand. stinger makes
a shell that is a long ,but it is a lot hotter than a regular longs kel-tec
makes a small fold up .22 that is just right for a air plane it's a " pack
gun " .no where near $500.00 .I also carry a hunting knife in a belt case
that also has a hatchet as part of it,good for getting out of the plane in
inverted landings;that knife set is made by smith/wesson Joe N101HD
----- Original Message -----
From: "Juan Vega" <amyvega2005@earthlink.net>
Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 6:52 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: You guys are NUTS!!! (was :Non building related
Question - Hand guns)
>
> the problem with the portable rifle is the caliber 0.22 (good for rats)
> and the price is way up $500.00. nice to put under the seat though.. Mini
> 14 is perfect , light, good caliber( 44 mag if desired). anyway, its good
> emergency in the back f the plane in a duffle alond with a wool blanket.
> and a first aid kit. and one good knike, prefeably a stiff k bar. with a
> serated side. it comes out and goes home when plane is tied down.
>
> -----Original Message-----
>>From: Southern Reflections <purplemoon99@bellsouth.net>
>>Sent: Dec 8, 2008 5:14 PM
>>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: You guys are NUTS!!! (was :Non building related
>>Question - Hand guns)
>>
>><purplemoon99@bellsouth.net>
>>
>>Have a nice trip Let me see?,you dont have guns up there and you have free
>>medical. How's that's working out???? Joe N101HD do not archive
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "MacDonald Doug" <dougsnash@yahoo.com>
>>To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
>>Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 3:55 PM
>>Subject: Zenith-List: You guys are NUTS!!! (was :Non building related
>>Question - Hand guns)
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Wow, I thought is would be safe to come back on this list after your
>>> re-design of the 601 settled down, I've only been monitoring things for
>>> the last week or so but I see that things have not changed in the least.
>>>
>>> I am back outa here guys, good luck with your projects if you can ever
>>> get
>>> off your soapboxes long enough to actually build anything.
>>>
>>> Do Not Archive
>>>
>>> Doug MacDonald
>>> CH-701 Scratch Builder
>>> NW Ontario, Canada
>>>
>>>
>>> --- On Mon, 12/8/08, paulrod36@msn.com <paulrod36@msn.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> From: paulrod36@msn.com <paulrod36@msn.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Non building related Question - Hand guns
>>>> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>>>> Date: Monday, December 8, 2008, 2:36 PM
>>>> Forgive the ignorance of another barbaric American, but
>>>> doesn't Switzerland, the only European country never to
>>>> have been invaded, REQUIRE that all able bodied men own a
>>>> rifle? However, fear not--- we Americans, having done it
>>>> twice before, can still remember how to liberate Europe.
>>>> But the question is, will we, or will Europe have to free
>>>> itself next time, armed with a bag of high quality hash, a
>>>> bottle of Pilsener, and a pack of Galoises? I remember as a
>>>> kid telling my uncle I was taking French in school, and he
>>>> told me he knew all the French an American needed to know:
>>>> "Ou sont les Allemagnes?"
>>>>
>>>> OK. let the flames (flambeaux) begin! On second thought,
>>>> let me add a little gasoline--The only people ever brought
>>>> to this country against their will were the Africans. So how
>>>> come there's more Europeans here than black people?
>>>>
>>>> And now, back to the original question. I wouldn't
>>>> bother with a handgun among the survival supplies. You can
>>>> get a very nifty collapsible .22 - .410 over-and-under
>>>> survival rifle (Remington, I think) for a couple of hundred
>>>> bucks, which weighs very little, and is good out to 100
>>>> yards.
>>>>
>>>> OK, prepare to flame,-----wait for it,-------FLAME!
>>>>
>>>> Paul Rodriguez
>>>> 601XL/Corvair
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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I m in Arizona and have a CCW. I dont advertise that I always carry my 9.
SW
----- Original Message -----
From: "Southern Reflections" <purplemoon99@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 6:28 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: You guys are NUTS!!! (was :Non building related
Question - Hand guns)
> <purplemoon99@bellsouth.net>
>
> Juan , when I was A kid we would kill gators in those same everglades
> that you are flying over,with one shot I mite add. Mini-14 is a good
> choice ,but a.22 is lighter and you can carry 100 rounds in one hand.
> stinger makes a shell that is a long ,but it is a lot hotter than a
> regular longs kel-tec makes a small fold up .22 that is just right for a
> air plane it's a " pack gun " .no where near $500.00 .I also carry a
> hunting knife in a belt case that also has a hatchet as part of it,good
> for getting out of the plane in inverted landings;that knife set is made
> by smith/wesson Joe N101HD
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Juan Vega" <amyvega2005@earthlink.net>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>; <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 6:52 PM
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: You guys are NUTS!!! (was :Non building related
> Question - Hand guns)
>
>
>>
>> the problem with the portable rifle is the caliber 0.22 (good for rats)
>> and the price is way up $500.00. nice to put under the seat though..
>> Mini 14 is perfect , light, good caliber( 44 mag if desired). anyway, its
>> good emergency in the back f the plane in a duffle alond with a wool
>> blanket. and a first aid kit. and one good knike, prefeably a stiff k
>> bar. with a serated side. it comes out and goes home when plane is tied
>> down.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>>From: Southern Reflections <purplemoon99@bellsouth.net>
>>>Sent: Dec 8, 2008 5:14 PM
>>>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>>>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: You guys are NUTS!!! (was :Non building related
>>>Question - Hand guns)
>>>
>>><purplemoon99@bellsouth.net>
>>>
>>>Have a nice trip Let me see?,you dont have guns up there and you have
>>>free
>>>medical. How's that's working out???? Joe N101HD do not archive
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "MacDonald Doug" <dougsnash@yahoo.com>
>>>To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
>>>Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 3:55 PM
>>>Subject: Zenith-List: You guys are NUTS!!! (was :Non building related
>>>Question - Hand guns)
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Wow, I thought is would be safe to come back on this list after your
>>>> re-design of the 601 settled down, I've only been monitoring things for
>>>> the last week or so but I see that things have not changed in the
>>>> least.
>>>>
>>>> I am back outa here guys, good luck with your projects if you can ever
>>>> get
>>>> off your soapboxes long enough to actually build anything.
>>>>
>>>> Do Not Archive
>>>>
>>>> Doug MacDonald
>>>> CH-701 Scratch Builder
>>>> NW Ontario, Canada
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --- On Mon, 12/8/08, paulrod36@msn.com <paulrod36@msn.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> From: paulrod36@msn.com <paulrod36@msn.com>
>>>>> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Non building related Question - Hand guns
>>>>> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>>>>> Date: Monday, December 8, 2008, 2:36 PM
>>>>> Forgive the ignorance of another barbaric American, but
>>>>> doesn't Switzerland, the only European country never to
>>>>> have been invaded, REQUIRE that all able bodied men own a
>>>>> rifle? However, fear not--- we Americans, having done it
>>>>> twice before, can still remember how to liberate Europe.
>>>>> But the question is, will we, or will Europe have to free
>>>>> itself next time, armed with a bag of high quality hash, a
>>>>> bottle of Pilsener, and a pack of Galoises? I remember as a
>>>>> kid telling my uncle I was taking French in school, and he
>>>>> told me he knew all the French an American needed to know:
>>>>> "Ou sont les Allemagnes?"
>>>>>
>>>>> OK. let the flames (flambeaux) begin! On second thought,
>>>>> let me add a little gasoline--The only people ever brought
>>>>> to this country against their will were the Africans. So how
>>>>> come there's more Europeans here than black people?
>>>>>
>>>>> And now, back to the original question. I wouldn't
>>>>> bother with a handgun among the survival supplies. You can
>>>>> get a very nifty collapsible .22 - .410 over-and-under
>>>>> survival rifle (Remington, I think) for a couple of hundred
>>>>> bucks, which weighs very little, and is good out to 100
>>>>> yards.
>>>>>
>>>>> OK, prepare to flame,-----wait for it,-------FLAME!
>>>>>
>>>>> Paul Rodriguez
>>>>> 601XL/Corvair
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | New Main Landing Gear rubber pads |
Has anybody purchased or received a set of the new main landing gear rubber
pads on the 601XL?- They are supposed to replace the cut rubber heater h
ose pieces in the fuselage channel and clamp around the main landing gear m
ounts.- Are they worth the money and seem like a good deal?- I am in th
e process of mounting my landing gear and was told Zenith is selling a new
type that is a great improvement over the old type.
Don, 601XL
tail done, wings done, finishing up fuselage
=0A=0A=0A
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- Hand guns)
can't blame you, a 45 is much better
Dirk
----- Original Message -----
From: "steve" <notsew_evets@frontiernet.net>
Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 7:14 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: You guys are NUTS!!! (was :Non building related
Question - Hand guns)
>
> I m in Arizona and have a CCW. I dont advertise that I always carry my 9.
>
> SW
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Southern Reflections" <purplemoon99@bellsouth.net>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 6:28 PM
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: You guys are NUTS!!! (was :Non building related
> Question - Hand guns)
>
>
>> <purplemoon99@bellsouth.net>
>>
>> Juan , when I was A kid we would kill gators in those same everglades
>> that you are flying over,with one shot I mite add. Mini-14 is a good
>> choice ,but a.22 is lighter and you can carry 100 rounds in one hand.
>> stinger makes a shell that is a long ,but it is a lot hotter than a
>> regular longs kel-tec makes a small fold up .22 that is just right for a
>> air plane it's a " pack gun " .no where near $500.00 .I also carry a
>> hunting knife in a belt case that also has a hatchet as part of it,good
>> for getting out of the plane in inverted landings;that knife set is made
>> by smith/wesson Joe N101HD
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Juan Vega" <amyvega2005@earthlink.net>
>> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>; <zenith-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 6:52 PM
>> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: You guys are NUTS!!! (was :Non building related
>> Question - Hand guns)
>>
>>
>>>
>>> the problem with the portable rifle is the caliber 0.22 (good for rats)
>>> and the price is way up $500.00. nice to put under the seat though..
>>> Mini 14 is perfect , light, good caliber( 44 mag if desired). anyway,
>>> its good emergency in the back f the plane in a duffle alond with a wool
>>> blanket. and a first aid kit. and one good knike, prefeably a stiff k
>>> bar. with a serated side. it comes out and goes home when plane is tied
>>> down.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>From: Southern Reflections <purplemoon99@bellsouth.net>
>>>>Sent: Dec 8, 2008 5:14 PM
>>>>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>>>>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: You guys are NUTS!!! (was :Non building
>>>>related Question - Hand guns)
>>>>
>>>><purplemoon99@bellsouth.net>
>>>>
>>>>Have a nice trip Let me see?,you dont have guns up there and you have
>>>>free
>>>>medical. How's that's working out???? Joe N101HD do not archive
>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>From: "MacDonald Doug" <dougsnash@yahoo.com>
>>>>To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
>>>>Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 3:55 PM
>>>>Subject: Zenith-List: You guys are NUTS!!! (was :Non building related
>>>>Question - Hand guns)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> <dougsnash@yahoo.com>
>>>>>
>>>>> Wow, I thought is would be safe to come back on this list after your
>>>>> re-design of the 601 settled down, I've only been monitoring things
>>>>> for
>>>>> the last week or so but I see that things have not changed in the
>>>>> least.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am back outa here guys, good luck with your projects if you can ever
>>>>> get
>>>>> off your soapboxes long enough to actually build anything.
>>>>>
>>>>> Do Not Archive
>>>>>
>>>>> Doug MacDonald
>>>>> CH-701 Scratch Builder
>>>>> NW Ontario, Canada
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --- On Mon, 12/8/08, paulrod36@msn.com <paulrod36@msn.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> From: paulrod36@msn.com <paulrod36@msn.com>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Non building related Question - Hand guns
>>>>>> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>>>>>> Date: Monday, December 8, 2008, 2:36 PM
>>>>>> Forgive the ignorance of another barbaric American, but
>>>>>> doesn't Switzerland, the only European country never to
>>>>>> have been invaded, REQUIRE that all able bodied men own a
>>>>>> rifle? However, fear not--- we Americans, having done it
>>>>>> twice before, can still remember how to liberate Europe.
>>>>>> But the question is, will we, or will Europe have to free
>>>>>> itself next time, armed with a bag of high quality hash, a
>>>>>> bottle of Pilsener, and a pack of Galoises? I remember as a
>>>>>> kid telling my uncle I was taking French in school, and he
>>>>>> told me he knew all the French an American needed to know:
>>>>>> "Ou sont les Allemagnes?"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> OK. let the flames (flambeaux) begin! On second thought,
>>>>>> let me add a little gasoline--The only people ever brought
>>>>>> to this country against their will were the Africans. So how
>>>>>> come there's more Europeans here than black people?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And now, back to the original question. I wouldn't
>>>>>> bother with a handgun among the survival supplies. You can
>>>>>> get a very nifty collapsible .22 - .410 over-and-under
>>>>>> survival rifle (Remington, I think) for a couple of hundred
>>>>>> bucks, which weighs very little, and is good out to 100
>>>>>> yards.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> OK, prepare to flame,-----wait for it,-------FLAME!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Paul Rodriguez
>>>>>> 601XL/Corvair
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
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For God's sake guys, lets get back to plane issues. and how about "do not
archive"? The archives are full af all that crap..
Matt Dralle, can you screen this rubbish out?
Dave Austin 601HDS - 912
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You just did.....
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of steve
Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 9:15 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: You guys are NUTS!!! (was :Non building related
Question - Hand guns)
I m in Arizona and have a CCW. I dont advertise that I always carry my 9.
SW
----- Original Message -----
From: "Southern Reflections" <purplemoon99@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 6:28 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: You guys are NUTS!!! (was :Non building related
Question - Hand guns)
> <purplemoon99@bellsouth.net>
>
> Juan , when I was A kid we would kill gators in those same everglades
> that you are flying over,with one shot I mite add. Mini-14 is a good
> choice ,but a.22 is lighter and you can carry 100 rounds in one hand.
> stinger makes a shell that is a long ,but it is a lot hotter than a
> regular longs kel-tec makes a small fold up .22 that is just right for a
> air plane it's a " pack gun " .no where near $500.00 .I also carry a
> hunting knife in a belt case that also has a hatchet as part of it,good
> for getting out of the plane in inverted landings;that knife set is made
> by smith/wesson Joe N101HD
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Juan Vega" <amyvega2005@earthlink.net>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>; <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 6:52 PM
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: You guys are NUTS!!! (was :Non building related
> Question - Hand guns)
>
>
>>
>> the problem with the portable rifle is the caliber 0.22 (good for rats)
>> and the price is way up $500.00. nice to put under the seat though..
>> Mini 14 is perfect , light, good caliber( 44 mag if desired). anyway, its
>> good emergency in the back f the plane in a duffle alond with a wool
>> blanket. and a first aid kit. and one good knike, prefeably a stiff k
>> bar. with a serated side. it comes out and goes home when plane is tied
>> down.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>>From: Southern Reflections <purplemoon99@bellsouth.net>
>>>Sent: Dec 8, 2008 5:14 PM
>>>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>>>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: You guys are NUTS!!! (was :Non building related
>>>Question - Hand guns)
>>>
>>><purplemoon99@bellsouth.net>
>>>
>>>Have a nice trip Let me see?,you dont have guns up there and you have
>>>free
>>>medical. How's that's working out???? Joe N101HD do not archive
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "MacDonald Doug" <dougsnash@yahoo.com>
>>>To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
>>>Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 3:55 PM
>>>Subject: Zenith-List: You guys are NUTS!!! (was :Non building related
>>>Question - Hand guns)
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Wow, I thought is would be safe to come back on this list after your
>>>> re-design of the 601 settled down, I've only been monitoring things for
>>>> the last week or so but I see that things have not changed in the
>>>> least.
>>>>
>>>> I am back outa here guys, good luck with your projects if you can ever
>>>> get
>>>> off your soapboxes long enough to actually build anything.
>>>>
>>>> Do Not Archive
>>>>
>>>> Doug MacDonald
>>>> CH-701 Scratch Builder
>>>> NW Ontario, Canada
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --- On Mon, 12/8/08, paulrod36@msn.com <paulrod36@msn.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> From: paulrod36@msn.com <paulrod36@msn.com>
>>>>> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Non building related Question - Hand guns
>>>>> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>>>>> Date: Monday, December 8, 2008, 2:36 PM
>>>>> Forgive the ignorance of another barbaric American, but
>>>>> doesn't Switzerland, the only European country never to
>>>>> have been invaded, REQUIRE that all able bodied men own a
>>>>> rifle? However, fear not--- we Americans, having done it
>>>>> twice before, can still remember how to liberate Europe.
>>>>> But the question is, will we, or will Europe have to free
>>>>> itself next time, armed with a bag of high quality hash, a
>>>>> bottle of Pilsener, and a pack of Galoises? I remember as a
>>>>> kid telling my uncle I was taking French in school, and he
>>>>> told me he knew all the French an American needed to know:
>>>>> "Ou sont les Allemagnes?"
>>>>>
>>>>> OK. let the flames (flambeaux) begin! On second thought,
>>>>> let me add a little gasoline--The only people ever brought
>>>>> to this country against their will were the Africans. So how
>>>>> come there's more Europeans here than black people?
>>>>>
>>>>> And now, back to the original question. I wouldn't
>>>>> bother with a handgun among the survival supplies. You can
>>>>> get a very nifty collapsible .22 - .410 over-and-under
>>>>> survival rifle (Remington, I think) for a couple of hundred
>>>>> bucks, which weighs very little, and is good out to 100
>>>>> yards.
>>>>>
>>>>> OK, prepare to flame,-----wait for it,-------FLAME!
>>>>>
>>>>> Paul Rodriguez
>>>>> 601XL/Corvair
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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I agree, lets get back to plane issues.
So, anyone installing seal sealing tanks:)
Roger
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Austin
Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 9:36 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: You guys are NUTS!!! (was :Non building related
Question - Hand guns)
For God's sake guys, lets get back to plane issues. and how about "do not
archive"? The archives are full af all that crap..
Matt Dralle, can you screen this rubbish out?
Dave Austin 601HDS - 912
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