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1. 12:42 AM - Re: Re: You guys are NUTS!!! (was :Non building related Question - (raymondj)
2. 05:40 AM - Re: Do you value this list? (thesumak@aol.com)
3. 06:19 AM - Re: Do you value this list? (Geoff Heap)
4. 06:42 AM - Re: Flap limit switch (wade jones)
5. 08:58 AM - Re: Re: You guys are NUTS!!! (was :Non building related Question - (Juan Vega)
6. 09:37 AM - Re: Do you value this list? (Bryan Martin)
7. 09:53 AM - Re: Flap limit switch (Bryan Martin)
8. 11:59 AM - Re: See ya at sun and fun in Florida ???? (PatrickW)
9. 12:07 PM - Re: See ya at sun and fun in Florida ???? (ZodieRocket)
10. 12:23 PM - Re: Re: See ya at sun and fun in Florida ???? (Bill Pagan)
11. 12:27 PM - Re: Re: See ya at sun and fun in Florida ???? (Bryan Martin)
12. 02:31 PM - Re: Re: See ya at sun and fun in Florida ???? (Rick Lindstrom)
13. 03:16 PM - Digital level (Bill Naumuk)
14. 03:37 PM - Re: Re: See ya at sun and fun in Florida ???? (Roger & Lina Hill)
15. 04:05 PM - Re: Digital level (Stanley Challgren)
16. 04:24 PM - Re: Digital level (Paul Mulwitz)
17. 04:26 PM - Re: Digital level (annken100)
18. 04:34 PM - Re: Digital level (Carlos Sa)
19. 04:37 PM - Re: Digital level (Larry Winger)
20. 05:47 PM - Fuel Doors/Non-flush caps 601XL (ashontz)
21. 06:01 PM - Re: Digital level (Bill Naumuk)
22. 06:29 PM - Re: Non building related Question - Hand guns (hansriet)
23. 06:34 PM - Re: Fuel Doors/Non-flush caps 601XL (Ron Lendon)
24. 07:57 PM - Re: Digital level (PatrickW)
25. 08:40 PM - Re: Digital level (JohnDRead@aol.com)
26. 08:44 PM - Re: Non building related Question - Hand guns (FlyingMonkey)
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| Subject: | Re: You guys are NUTS!!! (was :Non building related Question |
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Sabrina,
I understand why "your friends" would be bothered by Juan's comment.
But don't despair, others on this list are offended by his comments too, but
have chosen to try to change opinions through other methods then direct
confrontation. Believe in yourself and ignore those who would limit you
because of their prejudices
Raymond Julian
Kettle River, MN
"Hope for the best,
but prepare for the worst."
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sabrina" <chicago2paris@msn.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 4:23 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: You guys are NUTS!!! (was :Non building related
Question -
>
> "runnin and screamin like a girl" Juan. Note: This bothered "our"
> friends more than 2d Amendment issue.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=218540#218540
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| Subject: | Re: Do you value this list? |
I disagree with your assessment of what this list is or
should be about Juan.=C2- I certainly could
be wrong, but my guess is that most of us do not care in the slightest what
you, Rick, William, Andy and the rest think about politics, guns and what no
t. I
know for sure that I don=99t. This latest flurry makes me appreciate a
ll the more
the majority of members here who contribute without drama.=C2-
=C2-
Do not archive
Bill
=C2-
=C2-
Juan said:=C2-
you are missing the point. the list is no longer just an info exchange, but
of
people who have the same desires and goals of building an aircraft and that
have
built a relationship with each other, through that common thread. We each k
now
that we can ask questioins about building, issues that are not about buildin
g,
support each other, especially in tough times, and know that in the end we h
ave
the support of other builders.
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| Subject: | Re: Do you value this list? |
I just contacted Matt to find out how I can still make a donation (late) regardless
of the free gift. 60 bucks a year is my choice. The help I've gotten from
the list in the last few years is priceless....Geoff
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| Subject: | Re: Flap limit switch |
Hello group thanks for the advise on the limit switch ,I think I am out
of the woods now .And Jeff I will return your wing root templates soon
,they are right on . Thanks
Wade Jones South Texas
601XL Franklin 0-235
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From: Afterfxllc@aol.com
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 12:39 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Flap limit switch
Wade you will also have to reverse the way the drawing shows because
unless they revised the DPDT switch diagram it was backwards.
Jeff
I know you don=99t have the Zenith flap motor. But did you
follow the wiring diagram on page 6B20 of the plans? You need four
wires between the flap motor and the DPDT (or some diodes) to make it
work.
-- Craig
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| Subject: | Re: You guys are NUTS!!! (was :Non building related |
Question -
you guys are hillarious!
:)
Juan
-----Original Message-----
>From: raymondj <raymondj@frontiernet.net>
>Sent: Dec 10, 2008 3:41 AM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: You guys are NUTS!!! (was :Non building related
Question -
>
>
>Sabrina,
>
> I understand why "your friends" would be bothered by Juan's comment.
>But don't despair, others on this list are offended by his comments too, but
>have chosen to try to change opinions through other methods then direct
>confrontation. Believe in yourself and ignore those who would limit you
>because of their prejudices
>
>Raymond Julian
>Kettle River, MN
>
>"Hope for the best,
>but prepare for the worst."
>
>do not archive
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Sabrina" <chicago2paris@msn.com>
>To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 4:23 PM
>Subject: Zenith-List: Re: You guys are NUTS!!! (was :Non building related
>Question -
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>
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>> "runnin and screamin like a girl" Juan. Note: This bothered "our"
>> friends more than 2d Amendment issue.
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>> Read this topic online here:
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>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=218540#218540
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| Subject: | Re: Do you value this list? |
The subject line clearly stated that it was a non building question.
If you have no interest in such posts, you can simply delete them
without reading them. Let's face facts, this is an unmoderated list,
there are going to be posts that don't interest you and there's not
much you can do about it, that's just the way it is. It doesn't do
much good to post your own off topic posts in protest of other posts,
that often just fans the flames and keeps the topic going. You just
have to take it in stride, ignore the posts you have no interest in an
go on.
It helps if you use the view by thread option in your mail reader,
then you can delete multiple posts at once. If it gets too bad, you
can usually create a rule that deletes them automatically. If you have
a slow connection, most mail readers have the option to download only
the headers, then you can delete the unwanted posts before you waste
time downloading the entire message and can download only those you
are interested in. You can also block posts from certain individuals
if they have a habit of posting a lot of junk you don't want to read.
It may be inconvenient, but that's the reality of the internet.
It also helps if people would change the subject line when they go off
on a tangent from a previous subject, trim the quotations to the bare
minimum and use "do not archive", but oftentimes that doesn't happen.
The worst part of this whole thing is that the original post asked a
simple question that had no political content at all. This may not
have been the best place to ask the question; it wasn't about building
but at least it was related to the subject of flying and some people
on this list have some knowledge and can give a useful answer to the
question. But some people have such strong feelings about the original
subject that the mere mention of it triggers a political response and
then the flames begin. Such is life.
On Dec 10, 2008, at 8:34 AM, thesumak@aol.com wrote:
> I disagree with your assessment of what this list is or should be
> about Juan.
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL,
RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.
do not archive.
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| Subject: | Re: Flap limit switch |
The only mistake I see in the drawing is that it states that the
circuit is shown in the flaps up position but it is actually shown in
the flaps down position. At least it is in my version of the plans. If
you get the motor terminals backward for some reason, it's a simple
matter to reverse them and correct the situation if everything else is
correct.
I actually found the drawing a bit confusing at first because it
showed the up limit switch wired differently than the down limit
switch as far as what was connected to the NC and COM terminals. I
redrew the diagram so that the COM terminal of each switch is wired to
the motor and the NC terminal of each switch is wired back to the DPDT
switch. This doesn't change the electrical function of the circuit in
any way but, with both circuits drawn identically, it makes it easier
to see what's going on and it reduced the clutter in the diagram some
by having fewer lines crossing other lines.
On Dec 10, 2008, at 1:39 AM, Afterfxllc@aol.com wrote:
> Wade you will also have to reverse the way the drawing shows because
> unless they revised the DPDT switch diagram it was backwards.
>
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL,
RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.
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| Subject: | Re: See ya at sun and fun in Florida ???? |
When is SnF...?
I've never been there. How does it compare to Oshkosh?
Been to Oshkosh probably 20 times since they moved it from Rockford.
- Pat
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Patrick
601XL/Corvair
N63PZ (reserved)
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| Subject: | See ya at sun and fun in Florida ???? |
Roger the Sun-N-Fun meeting place is Thursday Evening from 6-8 pm at the
Zenith Builders BBQ more information on past events can be found at
www.ch601.org <http://www.ch601.org/> or www.ch701.com
<http://www.ch701.com/>
Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario
Zodiac CH650 C-GOXL, CH701 Rotax 912,
STOL CH750 Just started
www.ch601.org / www.ch701.com
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So I guess the question is, have you guys met up at sun and fun before.
If so, is there a special meeting place, or do ya
just walk around with a "follow me to Matronics" sign on your back?
I think it would be fun to arrange a time and place to meet up, any
ideas, or is December to early to plan these things?
Roger
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| Subject: | Re: See ya at sun and fun in Florida ???? |
Sun-N-Fun this year April 21-26, 2009
-
Nothing really compares to Osh but it's a smaller Osh and just as much fun
for me. I believe its still the 2nd biggest airshow/expo 2nd only to Osh
Bill Pagan
EAA Tech Counselor #4395
--- On Wed, 12/10/08, PatrickW <pwhoyt@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: PatrickW <pwhoyt@yahoo.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: See ya at sun and fun in Florida ????
<pwhoyt@yahoo.com>
When is SnF...?
I've never been there. How does it compare to Oshkosh?
Been to Oshkosh probably 20 times since they moved it from Rockford.
- Pat
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Patrick
601XL/Corvair
N63PZ (reserved)
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| Subject: | Re: See ya at sun and fun in Florida ???? |
Tuesday, April 21 to Monday, April 27 at Linder Regional Airport
(KLAL), Lakeland, Florida.
It's a smaller venue than Oskosh, so it has a bit more relaxed
atmosphere with smaller crowds. Many of the same vendors show up for it.
If you plan on camping by your airplane, beware of the fire ants. They
spray for them but the bastards are hard to keep under control. The
main campground is generally safe from them though.
>
>
> When is SnF...?
>
> I've never been there. How does it compare to Oshkosh?
>
> Been to Oshkosh probably 20 times since they moved it from Rockford.
>
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Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL,
RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.
do not archive.
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| Subject: | Re: See ya at sun and fun in Florida ???? |
(WARNING! The following is ONLY my OPINION. It is not FACTUAL in content. YMMV.)
I actually prefer SnF to Osh in many respects. It's easier to see and get around,
being a much smaller venue. Parking is easier, unless there's a backup due
to thundershowers flooding the lot (like earlier this year). Folks are generally
friendlier and the overall stress level is lower.
Not as much nearby lodging nearby, we frequently assume that we'll drive 15 to
20 miles in each day in order to avoid outrageously priced local hotel rooms.
Plenty of lodging available in the Kissimmee area, given its proximity to MickeyLand.
Flying commercially into Tampa or Orlando is super easy, and fares are
generally reasonable.
The fly-in approach and coordination isn't nearly as well executed as Osh, however.
Despite the NOTAM on altitudes, speeds, frequencies, and arrival routes,
it's more like the wild west inbound. Definitely has a NASCAR feel to it (at least
it did the last time I flew in).
Rick
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
>From: PatrickW <pwhoyt@yahoo.com>
>Sent: Dec 10, 2008 11:58 AM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Zenith-List: Re: See ya at sun and fun in Florida ????
>
>
>When is SnF...?
>
>I've never been there. How does it compare to Oshkosh?
>
>Been to Oshkosh probably 20 times since they moved it from Rockford.
>
>- Pat
>
>--------
>Patrick
>601XL/Corvair
>N63PZ (reserved)
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>Read this topic online here:
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>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=218725#218725
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All-
Need a digital level to get the positioning of my D-100 display and
remote compass to agree. Thought I found one at HF but on closer
examination, it's a digital protractor and bubble level. Funny, that's
not the description in the ad!
So where do you find one at a decent price?
Bill Naumuk
Townville, Pa.
HDS 601MG/Corvair 95%
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| Subject: | Re: See ya at sun and fun in Florida ???? |
Pat,
Sun and Fun is a lot like Oshkosh, but somewhat smaller. But it does have
one big plus, it's not spread out all over the place like Oshkosh,,(oh
My acking feet).
The weather is usually very nice that time of the year as well. The also
have night time aerobatics, that have to be seen to be believed.
Roger
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of PatrickW
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 1:59 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: See ya at sun and fun in Florida ????
When is SnF...?
I've never been there. How does it compare to Oshkosh?
Been to Oshkosh probably 20 times since they moved it from Rockford.
- Pat
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601XL/Corvair
N63PZ (reserved)
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| Subject: | Re: Digital level |
Bill:
I have the Grand Rapids EFIS and I believe I have a similar problem in
positioning the magnetometer. I have an APP on my IPhone called
Clinometer and I believe that will permit me to level the magnetometer
so that it is lined up with the EFIS. I have not done the final
installation nor flown the aircraft yet so I will find later whether
the gadget can do the job.
Stan
701/3300/GRT
On Dec 10, 2008, at 16:13 , Bill Naumuk wrote:
> All-
> Need a digital level to get the positioning of my D-100 display
> and remote compass to agree. Thought I found one at HF but on closer
> examination, it's a digital protractor and bubble level. Funny,
> that's not the description in the ad!
> So where do you find one at a decent price?
> Bill Naumuk
> Townville, Pa.
> HDS 601MG/Corvair 95%
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| Subject: | Re: Digital level |
Try http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?page=17206&filter=digital%20angle
I got one of these things and used it a little. It works fine as
long as the display is vertical. It easily measures limits of
ailerons and elevator but is worthless for rudder.
Paul
XL getting close
At 03:13 PM 12/10/2008, you wrote:
>All-
> Need a digital level to get the positioning of my D-100 display
> and remote compass to agree. Thought I found one at HF but on
> closer examination, it's a digital protractor and bubble level.
> Funny, that's not the description in the ad!
> So where do you find one at a decent price?
>Bill Naumuk
>Townville, Pa.
>HDS 601MG/Corvair 95%
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Digital level |
I bought a digital level at Home Depot for $35.00. It is 12 inches long and has
an advertised accuracy of 0.1 degrees. I think that is plenty accurate for
positioning the Dynon magnetometer.
Ken
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| Subject: | Re: Digital level |
Bill, Sears (Canada) sells one for around CD$50.
If you find it at your local store, should be cheaper.
It's the size of a "torpedo level".
Paul's suggestion is pretty inexpensive, but it has a smaller base, which
would make it somewhat less precise.
Cheers
Carlos
CH601-HD, plans
2008/12/10 Bill Naumuk <naumuk@alltel.net>
> All-
> Need a digital level to get the positioning of my D-100 display and
> remote compass to agree. Thought I found one at HF but on closer
> examination, it's a digital protractor and bubble level. Funny, that's not
> the description in the ad!
> So where do you find one at a decent price?
> Bill Naumuk
> Townville, Pa.
> HDS 601MG/Corvair 95%
>
> **
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Digital level |
I've built my entire project with this $35 level from Sears. Very easy to
use with a clear readout.
http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_00948292000P?mv=s2f&vName=Tools&cName=Hand+Tools,+Carpentry
Larry Winger
On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 3:13 PM, Bill Naumuk <naumuk@alltel.net> wrote:
> All-
> Need a digital level to get the positioning of my D-100 display and
> remote compass to agree. Thought I found one at HF but on closer
> examination, it's a digital protractor and bubble level. Funny, that's not
> the description in the ad!
> So where do you find one at a decent price?
> Bill Naumuk
> Townville, Pa.
> HDS 601MG/Corvair 95%
>
> *
>
>
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| Subject: | Fuel Doors/Non-flush caps 601XL |
Anyone here have any pictures of their fuel doors? I'm thinking of going with a
cap that's flush with the tank, not flush with the skin and instead having a
fuel dor that pops open to reveal the fule cap itself plus my vent connection.
Just wondering how much room I really have to play with under there and how large
of a hole I can get away with (checked the FARs and the only thing I found
was hole repairs etc...) Fogured I'd be riveting a thicker skin under the wing
skin, but then of course the whole she-bang is close to the leading edge skin
rivet line. Just wondering how other people dealt with this problem and/or
if anyone else is even using fuel doors rather than flush caps.
Thanks
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Andy Shontz
do not archive
CH601XL - Corvair
www.mykitlog.com/ashontz
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| Subject: | Re: Digital level |
Stan-
I refuse to own a cell phone or they would be calling me constantly
from work. Looks like I'll check out Home Depot or Lowes. A 9" should
work for me.
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: Stanley Challgren
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 7:05 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Digital level
Bill:
I have the Grand Rapids EFIS and I believe I have a similar problem in
positioning the magnetometer. I have an APP on my IPhone called
Clinometer and I believe that will permit me to level the magnetometer
so that it is lined up with the EFIS. I have not done the final
installation nor flown the aircraft yet so I will find later whether the
gadget can do the job.
Stan
701/3300/GRT
On Dec 10, 2008, at 16:13 , Bill Naumuk wrote:
All-
Need a digital level to get the positioning of my D-100 display
and remote compass to agree. Thought I found one at HF but on closer
examination, it's a digital protractor and bubble level. Funny, that's
not the description in the ad!
So where do you find one at a decent price?
Bill Naumuk
Townville, Pa.
HDS 601MG/Corvair 95%
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| Subject: | Re: Non building related Question - Hand guns |
[quote="ashontz"]Yeah, the gummint would LOVE everyone disarmed, that way they
can more easily shove socialism (communism with patience) down everyone's throats.
There's a reason the right to bear arms is allegedly protected by the Constitution,
for good reason too. We're sliding down a slippery slope here in the
US.
[quote="jaybannist(at)cs.com"]Why in the world should anyone want to protect himself?
That is what the gov'ment is for? (Laughing my head off) (:>)
Jay in Dallas
Do not archive
What that F**K has socialism to do with any of this?
In my opinion the majority of the violence in the US is caused by the fact that
about every moron is allowed to carry a weapon. Why is it that in civilized countries
(i.e. the old world) kids don't by accident blow their brains out with
daddies gun? Gas stations and seven-elevens aren't being robbed? A Vice President
almost blows his friend's brains out? You guys really have to wake up and
smell the coffee. The majority of the population consists of idiots and shouldn't
be trusted with deadly weapons.
The way to go is: a ban on firearms and YES raise the damn taxes so I don't have
to slam into a million potholes when I drive to work. Only people that have
NEVER been abroad assume that the US has the best infrastructure in the world.
I have circumnavigated the globe and believe me; we're not much better off than
a third world country. Our energy grid is outdated, our levies suck, the roads
look like shit and our educational system is ranked one of the lowest in the
world (Japan and the Netherlands are number one and two by the way). Hooray for
capitalism!
That free market model really works well for us! Come on. Stop parroting what your
parents and the GOP made you believe and form yourself an educated opinion.
I love this country but I do get sick and tired of people who think we're all that
and a bag of chips. We can make this place so much better if we're willing
to open our eyes and when we're adopting what works well in other parts of the
world. And now back to flying, because that's one of the things the US excels
in: our general aviation rocks. Sorry for the rant.
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Doors/Non-flush caps 601XL |
Andy,
I used the Zenith flanges and they present very little problem or wind resistance
from what I see.
Been thinking about your using the sending units in the filler end. How are you
going to measure the fuel in the low side of the tank? I am most interested
in how much fuel is left in the tank as it nears the empty mark. With the sending
units mounted on the high end you must be using a real long arm to get the
float to the other end of the tank.
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Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI
WW Corvair with Roy's Garage 5th bearing
Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-)
http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon
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| Subject: | Re: Digital level |
lwinger wrote:
> I've built my entire project with this $35 level from Sears.
That is the same level that I have been using on my project. I think I have spent
way too much time obsessing over getting to "0.0" degrees. Which is why I'm
still plugging away at >600 hours of building when I should have been flying
100 hours ago.... :)
- Pat
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Patrick
601XL/Corvair
N63PZ (reserved)
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| Subject: | Re: Digital level |
Check the Black and Decker site. do not archive
John Read
Phone: 303-648-3261
Fax: 303-648-3262
Cell: 719-494-4567
In a message dated 12/10/2008 4:16:52 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
naumuk@alltel.net writes:
All-
Need a digital level to get the positioning of my D-100 display and
remote compass to agree. Thought I found one at HF but on closer examination,
it's a digital protractor and bubble level. Funny, that's not the description
in
the ad!
So where do you find one at a decent price?
Bill Naumuk
Townville, Pa.
HDS 601MG/Corvair 95%
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| Subject: | Re: Non building related Question - Hand guns |
A good airplane building site:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewforum.php?f=2
Thank you all for your informative posts.
A good Politics site
http://www.politicalcrossfire.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=5
They have promised not to discuss building airplanes , -since that is not why people
visit the site-if we agree to stop discussing politics. Sounds like a
good deal. (:
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