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1. 05:52 AM - Re: Grounding Of Fuel Senders (Roger & Lina Hill)
2. 06:16 AM - Re: Grounding Of Fuel Senders (Gig Giacona)
3. 08:34 AM - Re: Re: Grounding Of Fuel Senders (Juan Vega)
4. 12:10 PM - vw in 601 hds (Bill Flick)
5. 12:47 PM - Attention Corvair Builders (Brady)
6. 03:30 PM - Re: Digital Level Final (Bill Naumuk)
7. 04:20 PM - Re: vw in 601 hds (Roger & Lina Hill)
8. 07:04 PM - Re: Digital Level Final (leinad)
9. 07:04 PM - Re: vw in 601 hds (Bill Naumuk)
10. 07:34 PM - Re: vw in 601 hds (Roger & Lina Hill)
11. 07:47 PM - Re: vw in 601 hds (Bill Naumuk)
12. 07:53 PM - Re: Re: Digital Level Final (Bill Naumuk)
13. 08:00 PM - Re: vw in 601 hds (Craig Payne)
14. 08:16 PM - Re: vw in 601 hds (George Swinford)
15. 11:14 PM - Torque tube (vayuwings)
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| Subject: | Grounding Of Fuel Senders |
Wouldn't you want to ground the tank to the airframe, in order to discharge
any static that might try to build up and cause a spark when you open the
filler cap to refill?
Roger
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Leo Gates
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 10:12 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Grounding Of Fuel Senders
I have had no problem with the fuel sender grounded to the tank and the
tank grounded to the air frame.
--
Leo Gates
N601Z - CH601HDS TDO
Rotax 912UL
Dave VanLanen wrote:
>
> I Has anyone experienced any "ground loop" or other electrical issues
> with the senders when grounding via a mounting screw as instructed by
> ZAC? Has anyone figured out a simple way to isolate the sender from
> the airframe and install an attachment to the sender case for a return
> wire to the ground buss?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dave Van Lanen
>
> 601XL - working on wings
>
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| Subject: | Re: Grounding Of Fuel Senders |
hills(at)sunflower.com wrote:
> Wouldn't you want to ground the tank to the airframe, in order to discharge
> any static that might try to build up and cause a spark when you open the
> filler cap to refill?
>
> Roger
>
>
>
>
> --
Of course. There is even a tab on the tank for a ground wire attachment. The ground
for the fuel sender is separate because it is electrically isolated from
the tank itself.
As for running the ground for the sender back to the central ground in the aircraft.
I followed the plans and grounded all the electrical items in the wing (Lights
and fuel sender) in the wing. I was looking a a Cessna that the local A&P
had apart for annual and it lights were grounded in the wing as well.
--------
W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: Grounding Of Fuel Senders |
THAT IS A MUST!
jUAN
-----Original Message-----
>From: Gig Giacona <wrgiacona@gmail.com>
>Sent: Dec 12, 2008 9:16 AM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Grounding Of Fuel Senders
>
>
>
>hills(at)sunflower.com wrote:
>> Wouldn't you want to ground the tank to the airframe, in order to discharge
>> any static that might try to build up and cause a spark when you open the
>> filler cap to refill?
>>
>> Roger
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>
>
>Of course. There is even a tab on the tank for a ground wire attachment. The ground
for the fuel sender is separate because it is electrically isolated from
the tank itself.
>
>As for running the ground for the sender back to the central ground in the aircraft.
I followed the plans and grounded all the electrical items in the wing
(Lights and fuel sender) in the wing. I was looking a a Cessna that the local
A&P had apart for annual and it lights were grounded in the wing as well.
>
>--------
>W.R. "Gig" Giacona
>601XL Under Construction
>See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=219048#219048
>
>
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is anyone flying a 601 hd - hds with vw power? i am thinking of useing
a porsche 914 2.0 eng with a redrive and would like to hear any comments
or tips. thanks ralph
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| Subject: | Attention Corvair Builders |
To Whom it may concern:
We have updated our website, www.magnificentmachine.com, with some technical articles that are aimed at answering the most common questions relating to our products and the Corvair.
Also these articles address some of the more common engine issues and some of the
ways in which we address them.
This section is called Tech Talk and is where we will post all of our Products
Testing Data.
The articles are written by "Uncle Mike" because he is a far better writer than
I am and his engine building experience goes far back to the days of Flat head
engines and probably back to the days of wooden spokes though he won't admit
it. :)
The First Forged 4340 crankshaft sample is now in an engine case with a cam shaft
and will be running before too long.
This engine will be equipped with our entirely NEW rotating assembly as well as
the rest of our newest products.
The first set of all aluminum Nikasil Cylinders will be installed and tested on
this engine as well.
We will have this engine at the upcoming Corvair College #13 being held In Livermore,
CA.
For further details of the Corvair College #13 event see
www.flycorvair.com or
www.flaglvk.com
Thank you,
--------
Brady McCormick
Poulsbo, WA
www.magnificentmachine.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=219109#219109
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| Subject: | Re: Digital Level Final |
Oh, brother. $39.95 at Home Depot!
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: burbby
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 10:39 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Digital Level Final
Our Sears Store had on on sale last Sat for 24.99. Im hoping
Santa was watching.
Thanks
Gary
--- On Thu, 12/11/08, Bill Naumuk <naumuk@alltel.net> wrote:
From: Bill Naumuk <naumuk@alltel.net>
Subject: Zenith-List: Digital Level Final
To: "zenith list" <zenith-list@matronics.com>
Date: Thursday, December 11, 2008, 6:15 PM
All-
I intend to pick up a digital level at Home Depot or
Lowes. Too bad the HF turned out to be a digital compass, bubble level
because the price was right, the tool was wrong, as was the written
description from HF.
A couple of comments:
1. The Dynon sender and display have to agree within
plus/minus 1 degree, not .01 degree.
2. I have a number of tools that I've spent big money on
but only used once or twice. In retrospect, I think my NicoPress crimper
was a good investment vs. a cold chisel.
3. For the lister who said that he now had an outrageous
600 hours in on his project, probably because he used a digital level
since day one and was too fastidious-
I passed 1000 hrs about the time my grandson was born, and
he's ready to fly. Ever seen a 3 year old in a bomber jacket?
do not
archive
Bill Naumuk
Townville, Pa.
HDS 601MG/Corvair 95%
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Anyone flying with a VW? Ya, that's me, but I have the HDS.
You don't use the 914 with a redrive, here is why.
The VW is already too heavy for the 601
You can't get the waste heat out of the engine if it
produces over 80 Hp, the air cooled heads don't have enough fin area.
The prop would be too long for the wheel clearance on a redrive.
914 parts cost more than 2180 VW
You don't need the extra power, 75 HP will do fine in an HD
Hope this helps
Roger
_____
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Flick
Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 2:10 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: vw in 601 hds
is anyone flying a 601 hd - hds with vw power? i am thinking of useing a
porsche 914 2.0 eng with a redrive and would like to hear any comments or
tips. thanks ralph
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| Subject: | Re: Digital Level Final |
Bill,
Something I've never understood was why there's so much interest in tools that
are digital. I have a 25 year old carpenters level 4 foot long. One can easily
see less than a 32nd of inch out level over its length. This comes to something
like 0.04 degrees. This is amply accurate for building a house or a plane.
Plus the batteries never go dead.
Other digital tools... Someone gave me a digital caliper, I also have an old fashioned
rack and pinion dial caliper. The batteries are dead on (guess which
one).
To each his own.
Dan
[quote="naumuk(at)alltel.net"]All-
I intend to pick up a digital level at Home Depot or Lowes. Too bad the HF
turned out to be a digital compass, bubble level because the price was right,
the tool was wrong, as was the written description from HF.
A couple of comments:
1. The Dynon sender and display have to agree within plus/minus 1 degree,
not .01 degree.
2. I have a number of tools that I've spent big money on but only used once
or twice. In retrospect, I think my NicoPress crimper was a good investment
vs. a cold chisel.
3. For the lister who said that he now had an outrageous 600 hours in on
his project, probably because he used a digital level since day one and was too
fastidious-
I passed 1000 hrs about the time my grandson was born, and he's ready to
fly. Ever seen a 3 year old in a bomber jacket?
do not archive
Bill Naumuk
Townville, Pa.
HDS 601MG/Corvair 95%
> [b]
--------
Scratch building XL with Corvair Engine
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=219149#219149
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| Subject: | Re: vw in 601 hds |
Ralph-
For very little more outlay than a VW, you get 100hp from a Corvair
conversion.
Bill
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Roger & Lina Hill
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 7:20 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: vw in 601 hds
Anyone flying with a VW? Ya, that's me, but I have the HDS.
You don't use the 914 with a redrive, here is why.
The VW is already too heavy for the 601
You can't get the waste heat out of the engine if it
produces over 80 Hp, the air cooled heads don't have enough fin area.
The prop would be too long for the wheel clearance on a redrive.
914 parts cost more than 2180 VW
You don't need the extra power, 75 HP will do fine in an HD
Hope this helps
Roger
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From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Flick
Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 2:10 PM
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Subject: Zenith-List: vw in 601 hds
is anyone flying a 601 hd - hds with vw power? i am thinking of
useing a porsche 914 2.0 eng with a redrive and would like to hear any
comments or tips. thanks ralph
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Corvair, YIKES,,,,
I thought my VW was heavy. The corvair is WAY over 200 lbs.
Don't ya folks read the max weight spec on the 601s?
Ya don't want your engine falling off with your firewall, do ya?
Roger
_____
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Naumuk
Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 9:04 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: vw in 601 hds
Ralph-
For very little more outlay than a VW, you get 100hp from a Corvair
conversion.
Bill
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Roger <mailto:hills@sunflower.com> & Lina Hill
Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 7:20 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: vw in 601 hds
Anyone flying with a VW? Ya, that's me, but I have the HDS.
You don't use the 914 with a redrive, here is why.
The VW is already too heavy for the 601
You can't get the waste heat out of the engine if it
produces over 80 Hp, the air cooled heads don't have enough fin area.
The prop would be too long for the wheel clearance on a redrive.
914 parts cost more than 2180 VW
You don't need the extra power, 75 HP will do fine in an HD
Hope this helps
Roger
_____
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Flick
Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 2:10 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: vw in 601 hds
is anyone flying a 601 hd - hds with vw power? i am thinking of useing a
porsche 914 2.0 eng with a redrive and would like to hear any comments or
tips. thanks ralph
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| Subject: | Re: vw in 601 hds |
Forget I ever said anything. You've already made your decision. Best of
luck.
Bill
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Roger & Lina Hill
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 10:34 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: vw in 601 hds
Corvair, YIKES,,,,
I thought my VW was heavy. The corvair is WAY over 200 lbs.
Don't ya folks read the max weight spec on the 601s?
Ya don't want your engine falling off with your firewall, do ya?
Roger
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From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Naumuk
Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 9:04 PM
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: vw in 601 hds
Ralph-
For very little more outlay than a VW, you get 100hp from a
Corvair conversion.
Bill
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Roger & Lina Hill
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 7:20 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: vw in 601 hds
Anyone flying with a VW? Ya, that's me, but I have the HDS.
You don't use the 914 with a redrive, here is why.
The VW is already too heavy for the 601
You can't get the waste heat out of the engine if it
produces over 80 Hp, the air cooled heads don't have enough fin
area.
The prop would be too long for the wheel clearance on a redrive.
914 parts cost more than 2180 VW
You don't need the extra power, 75 HP will do fine in an HD
Hope this helps
Roger
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From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Flick
Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 2:10 PM
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Subject: Zenith-List: vw in 601 hds
is anyone flying a 601 hd - hds with vw power? i am thinking of
useing a porsche 914 2.0 eng with a redrive and would like to hear any
comments or tips. thanks ralph
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-Listhttp://forums.matronics.com
Incentive Free Terrific s> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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| Subject: | Re: Digital Level Final |
Dan-
I have 6 bubble levels, from a line level to 4'. I agree a bubble level
is just as accurate as a digital, but how do you accurately READ a 1 degree
deviation? I can't, and despite how confident you sound, I bet you can't
either.
Bill
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "leinad" <leinad@hughes.net>
Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 10:03 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Digital Level Final
>
> Bill,
> Something I've never understood was why there's so much interest in tools
> that are digital. I have a 25 year old carpenters level 4 foot long. One
> can easily see less than a 32nd of inch out level over its length. This
> comes to something like 0.04 degrees. This is amply accurate for building
> a house or a plane. Plus the batteries never go dead.
> Other digital tools... Someone gave me a digital caliper, I also have an
> old fashioned rack and pinion dial caliper. The batteries are dead on
> (guess which one).
> To each his own.
> Dan
>
>
> [quote="naumuk(at)alltel.net"]All-
> I intend to pick up a digital level at Home Depot or Lowes. Too bad
> the HF turned out to be a digital compass, bubble level because the price
> was right, the tool was wrong, as was the written description from HF.
> A couple of comments:
> 1. The Dynon sender and display have to agree within plus/minus 1
> degree, not .01 degree.
> 2. I have a number of tools that I've spent big money on but only
> used once or twice. In retrospect, I think my NicoPress crimper was a
> good investment vs. a cold chisel.
> 3. For the lister who said that he now had an outrageous 600 hours in
> on his project, probably because he used a digital level since day one
> and was too fastidious-
> I passed 1000 hrs about the time my grandson was born, and he's ready
> to fly. Ever seen a 3 year old in a bomber jacket?
> do not archive
> Bill Naumuk
> Townville, Pa.
> HDS 601MG/Corvair 95%
>
>> [b]
>
>
> --------
> Scratch building XL with Corvair Engine
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=219149#219149
>
>
>
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Personally I know of a lot more Corvair-powered 601s than VW. And I
routinely see Corvair-powered 601s in Zenith's booth at the shows. Not to
mention the Zenith web site which reads:
Engines:
Jabiru 3300
Continental O-200
Corvair
Lycoming
Rotax
Others
-- Craig
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger & Lina
Hill
Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 8:34 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: vw in 601 hds
Corvair, YIKES,,,,
I thought my VW was heavy. The corvair is WAY over 200 lbs.
Don't ya folks read the max weight spec on the 601s?
Ya don't want your engine falling off with your firewall, do ya?
Roger
_____
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Naumuk
Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 9:04 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: vw in 601 hds
Ralph-
For very little more outlay than a VW, you get 100hp from a Corvair
conversion.
Bill
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Roger <mailto:hills@sunflower.com> & Lina Hill
Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 7:20 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: vw in 601 hds
Anyone flying with a VW? Ya, that's me, but I have the HDS.
You don't use the 914 with a redrive, here is why.
The VW is already too heavy for the 601
You can't get the waste heat out of the engine if it
produces over 80 Hp, the air cooled heads don't have enough fin area.
The prop would be too long for the wheel clearance on a redrive.
914 parts cost more than 2180 VW
You don't need the extra power, 75 HP will do fine in an HD
Hope this helps
Roger
_____
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Flick
Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 2:10 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: vw in 601 hds
is anyone flying a 601 hd - hds with vw power? i am thinking of useing a
porsche 914 2.0 eng with a redrive and would like to hear any comments or
tips. thanks ralph
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List
http://forums.matronics.com
Incentive Free Terrific s>
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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| Subject: | Re: vw in 601 hds |
My Stratus Subaru weighs about the same as an O-200 or Corvair and not
only is it approved for the 601HD/HDS but a firewall-forward kit was
supplied.
George Swinford
Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Roger & Lina Hill
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 7:34 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: vw in 601 hds
Corvair, YIKES,,,,
I thought my VW was heavy. The corvair is WAY over 200 lbs.
Don't ya folks read the max weight spec on the 601s?
Ya don't want your engine falling off with your firewall, do ya?
Roger
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From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Naumuk
Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 9:04 PM
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: vw in 601 hds
Ralph-
For very little more outlay than a VW, you get 100hp from a
Corvair conversion.
Bill
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Roger & Lina Hill
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 7:20 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: vw in 601 hds
Anyone flying with a VW? Ya, that's me, but I have the HDS.
You don't use the 914 with a redrive, here is why.
The VW is already too heavy for the 601
You can't get the waste heat out of the engine if it
produces over 80 Hp, the air cooled heads don't have enough fin
area.
The prop would be too long for the wheel clearance on a redrive.
914 parts cost more than 2180 VW
You don't need the extra power, 75 HP will do fine in an HD
Hope this helps
Roger
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[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Flick
Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 2:10 PM
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Subject: Zenith-List: vw in 601 hds
is anyone flying a 601 hd - hds with vw power? i am thinking of
useing a porsche 914 2.0 eng with a redrive and would like to hear any
comments or tips. thanks ralph
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Hello - I'm new to the list and am building a 601XL... I've given the topic
search my best effort and didn't see anything over the many pages about my subject,
so I'll try and describe it and see if anyone could share an opinion.
I'm done with the tail and wings and am at a point to test install the torque tube
and the Y stick in the fuse for measurement. With the tube resting in the
rear bearing behind the seat back, and resting in the front bearing at the center
spar, I slid the Y stick over the tube and temporarily installed a bolt in
the pre-drilled hole for it in the tube. Now attached to the tube, when I center
the Y stick over the ac centerline marked on the top of the center spar, the
rear flange of the tube that will attach to the aileron cables is a good 10-15
degrees off pointing to the left (pilot side).
I haven't heard from ZAC from my emails a few weeks now, so I thought I would
run it by any interested builder. After one would tighten the cables to the rear
flange, I'm just not sure if that would work or not. I think the pre-drilled
hole was drilled incorrectly in the tube...
Thanks -
Dave
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