---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 12/12/08: 15 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:52 AM - Re: Grounding Of Fuel Senders (Roger & Lina Hill) 2. 06:16 AM - Re: Grounding Of Fuel Senders (Gig Giacona) 3. 08:34 AM - Re: Re: Grounding Of Fuel Senders (Juan Vega) 4. 12:10 PM - vw in 601 hds (Bill Flick) 5. 12:47 PM - Attention Corvair Builders (Brady) 6. 03:30 PM - Re: Digital Level Final (Bill Naumuk) 7. 04:20 PM - Re: vw in 601 hds (Roger & Lina Hill) 8. 07:04 PM - Re: Digital Level Final (leinad) 9. 07:04 PM - Re: vw in 601 hds (Bill Naumuk) 10. 07:34 PM - Re: vw in 601 hds (Roger & Lina Hill) 11. 07:47 PM - Re: vw in 601 hds (Bill Naumuk) 12. 07:53 PM - Re: Re: Digital Level Final (Bill Naumuk) 13. 08:00 PM - Re: vw in 601 hds (Craig Payne) 14. 08:16 PM - Re: vw in 601 hds (George Swinford) 15. 11:14 PM - Torque tube (vayuwings) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:52:23 AM PST US From: "Roger & Lina Hill" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Grounding Of Fuel Senders Wouldn't you want to ground the tank to the airframe, in order to discharge any static that might try to build up and cause a spark when you open the filler cap to refill? Roger -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Leo Gates Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 10:12 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Grounding Of Fuel Senders I have had no problem with the fuel sender grounded to the tank and the tank grounded to the air frame. -- Leo Gates N601Z - CH601HDS TDO Rotax 912UL Dave VanLanen wrote: > > I Has anyone experienced any "ground loop" or other electrical issues > with the senders when grounding via a mounting screw as instructed by > ZAC? Has anyone figured out a simple way to isolate the sender from > the airframe and install an attachment to the sender case for a return > wire to the ground buss? > > Thanks, > > Dave Van Lanen > > 601XL - working on wings > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:16:52 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Grounding Of Fuel Senders From: "Gig Giacona" hills(at)sunflower.com wrote: > Wouldn't you want to ground the tank to the airframe, in order to discharge > any static that might try to build up and cause a spark when you open the > filler cap to refill? > > Roger > > > > > -- Of course. There is even a tab on the tank for a ground wire attachment. The ground for the fuel sender is separate because it is electrically isolated from the tank itself. As for running the ground for the sender back to the central ground in the aircraft. I followed the plans and grounded all the electrical items in the wing (Lights and fuel sender) in the wing. I was looking a a Cessna that the local A&P had apart for annual and it lights were grounded in the wing as well. -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=219048#219048 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:34:45 AM PST US From: Juan Vega Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Grounding Of Fuel Senders THAT IS A MUST! jUAN -----Original Message----- >From: Gig Giacona >Sent: Dec 12, 2008 9:16 AM >To: zenith-list@matronics.com >Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Grounding Of Fuel Senders > > > >hills(at)sunflower.com wrote: >> Wouldn't you want to ground the tank to the airframe, in order to discharge >> any static that might try to build up and cause a spark when you open the >> filler cap to refill? >> >> Roger >> >> >> >> >> -- > > >Of course. There is even a tab on the tank for a ground wire attachment. The ground for the fuel sender is separate because it is electrically isolated from the tank itself. > >As for running the ground for the sender back to the central ground in the aircraft. I followed the plans and grounded all the electrical items in the wing (Lights and fuel sender) in the wing. I was looking a a Cessna that the local A&P had apart for annual and it lights were grounded in the wing as well. > >-------- >W.R. "Gig" Giacona >601XL Under Construction >See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=219048#219048 > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 12:10:40 PM PST US From: "Bill Flick" Subject: Zenith-List: vw in 601 hds is anyone flying a 601 hd - hds with vw power? i am thinking of useing a porsche 914 2.0 eng with a redrive and would like to hear any comments or tips. thanks ralph ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 12:47:52 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Attention Corvair Builders From: "Brady" To Whom it may concern: We have updated our website, www.magnificentmachine.com, with some technical articles that are aimed at answering the most common questions relating to our products and the Corvair. Also these articles address some of the more common engine issues and some of the ways in which we address them. This section is called Tech Talk and is where we will post all of our Products Testing Data. The articles are written by "Uncle Mike" because he is a far better writer than I am and his engine building experience goes far back to the days of Flat head engines and probably back to the days of wooden spokes though he won't admit it. :) The First Forged 4340 crankshaft sample is now in an engine case with a cam shaft and will be running before too long. This engine will be equipped with our entirely NEW rotating assembly as well as the rest of our newest products. The first set of all aluminum Nikasil Cylinders will be installed and tested on this engine as well. We will have this engine at the upcoming Corvair College #13 being held In Livermore, CA. For further details of the Corvair College #13 event see www.flycorvair.com or www.flaglvk.com Thank you, -------- Brady McCormick Poulsbo, WA www.magnificentmachine.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=219109#219109 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 03:30:55 PM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Digital Level Final Oh, brother. $39.95 at Home Depot! do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: burbby To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 10:39 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Digital Level Final Our Sears Store had on on sale last Sat for 24.99. Im hoping Santa was watching. Thanks Gary --- On Thu, 12/11/08, Bill Naumuk wrote: From: Bill Naumuk Subject: Zenith-List: Digital Level Final To: "zenith list" Date: Thursday, December 11, 2008, 6:15 PM All- I intend to pick up a digital level at Home Depot or Lowes. Too bad the HF turned out to be a digital compass, bubble level because the price was right, the tool was wrong, as was the written description from HF. A couple of comments: 1. The Dynon sender and display have to agree within plus/minus 1 degree, not .01 degree. 2. I have a number of tools that I've spent big money on but only used once or twice. In retrospect, I think my NicoPress crimper was a good investment vs. a cold chisel. 3. For the lister who said that he now had an outrageous 600 hours in on his project, probably because he used a digital level since day one and was too fastidious- I passed 1000 hrs about the time my grandson was born, and he's ready to fly. Ever seen a 3 year old in a bomber jacket? do not archive Bill Naumuk Townville, Pa. HDS 601MG/Corvair 95% 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 04:20:53 PM PST US From: "Roger & Lina Hill" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: vw in 601 hds Anyone flying with a VW? Ya, that's me, but I have the HDS. You don't use the 914 with a redrive, here is why. The VW is already too heavy for the 601 You can't get the waste heat out of the engine if it produces over 80 Hp, the air cooled heads don't have enough fin area. The prop would be too long for the wheel clearance on a redrive. 914 parts cost more than 2180 VW You don't need the extra power, 75 HP will do fine in an HD Hope this helps Roger _____ From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Flick Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 2:10 PM Subject: Zenith-List: vw in 601 hds is anyone flying a 601 hd - hds with vw power? i am thinking of useing a porsche 914 2.0 eng with a redrive and would like to hear any comments or tips. thanks ralph ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:04:01 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Digital Level Final From: "leinad" Bill, Something I've never understood was why there's so much interest in tools that are digital. I have a 25 year old carpenters level 4 foot long. One can easily see less than a 32nd of inch out level over its length. This comes to something like 0.04 degrees. This is amply accurate for building a house or a plane. Plus the batteries never go dead. Other digital tools... Someone gave me a digital caliper, I also have an old fashioned rack and pinion dial caliper. The batteries are dead on (guess which one). To each his own. Dan [quote="naumuk(at)alltel.net"]All- I intend to pick up a digital level at Home Depot or Lowes. Too bad the HF turned out to be a digital compass, bubble level because the price was right, the tool was wrong, as was the written description from HF. A couple of comments: 1. The Dynon sender and display have to agree within plus/minus 1 degree, not .01 degree. 2. I have a number of tools that I've spent big money on but only used once or twice. In retrospect, I think my NicoPress crimper was a good investment vs. a cold chisel. 3. For the lister who said that he now had an outrageous 600 hours in on his project, probably because he used a digital level since day one and was too fastidious- I passed 1000 hrs about the time my grandson was born, and he's ready to fly. Ever seen a 3 year old in a bomber jacket? do not archive Bill Naumuk Townville, Pa. HDS 601MG/Corvair 95% > [b] -------- Scratch building XL with Corvair Engine Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=219149#219149 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:04:39 PM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: vw in 601 hds Ralph- For very little more outlay than a VW, you get 100hp from a Corvair conversion. Bill do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Roger & Lina Hill To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 7:20 PM Subject: RE: Zenith-List: vw in 601 hds Anyone flying with a VW? Ya, that's me, but I have the HDS. You don't use the 914 with a redrive, here is why. The VW is already too heavy for the 601 You can't get the waste heat out of the engine if it produces over 80 Hp, the air cooled heads don't have enough fin area. The prop would be too long for the wheel clearance on a redrive. 914 parts cost more than 2180 VW You don't need the extra power, 75 HP will do fine in an HD Hope this helps Roger ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Flick Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 2:10 PM To: zenith-list@matronics.com Subject: Zenith-List: vw in 601 hds is anyone flying a 601 hd - hds with vw power? i am thinking of useing a porsche 914 2.0 eng with a redrive and would like to hear any comments or tips. thanks ralph http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:34:50 PM PST US From: "Roger & Lina Hill" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: vw in 601 hds Corvair, YIKES,,,, I thought my VW was heavy. The corvair is WAY over 200 lbs. Don't ya folks read the max weight spec on the 601s? Ya don't want your engine falling off with your firewall, do ya? Roger _____ From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Naumuk Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 9:04 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: vw in 601 hds Ralph- For very little more outlay than a VW, you get 100hp from a Corvair conversion. Bill do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Roger & Lina Hill Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 7:20 PM Subject: RE: Zenith-List: vw in 601 hds Anyone flying with a VW? Ya, that's me, but I have the HDS. You don't use the 914 with a redrive, here is why. The VW is already too heavy for the 601 You can't get the waste heat out of the engine if it produces over 80 Hp, the air cooled heads don't have enough fin area. The prop would be too long for the wheel clearance on a redrive. 914 parts cost more than 2180 VW You don't need the extra power, 75 HP will do fine in an HD Hope this helps Roger _____ From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Flick Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 2:10 PM Subject: Zenith-List: vw in 601 hds is anyone flying a 601 hd - hds with vw power? i am thinking of useing a porsche 914 2.0 eng with a redrive and would like to hear any comments or tips. thanks ralph http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:47:12 PM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: vw in 601 hds Forget I ever said anything. You've already made your decision. Best of luck. Bill do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Roger & Lina Hill To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 10:34 PM Subject: RE: Zenith-List: vw in 601 hds Corvair, YIKES,,,, I thought my VW was heavy. The corvair is WAY over 200 lbs. Don't ya folks read the max weight spec on the 601s? Ya don't want your engine falling off with your firewall, do ya? Roger ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Naumuk Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 9:04 PM To: zenith-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: vw in 601 hds Ralph- For very little more outlay than a VW, you get 100hp from a Corvair conversion. Bill do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Roger & Lina Hill To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 7:20 PM Subject: RE: Zenith-List: vw in 601 hds Anyone flying with a VW? Ya, that's me, but I have the HDS. You don't use the 914 with a redrive, here is why. The VW is already too heavy for the 601 You can't get the waste heat out of the engine if it produces over 80 Hp, the air cooled heads don't have enough fin area. The prop would be too long for the wheel clearance on a redrive. 914 parts cost more than 2180 VW You don't need the extra power, 75 HP will do fine in an HD Hope this helps Roger ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Flick Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 2:10 PM To: zenith-list@matronics.com Subject: Zenith-List: vw in 601 hds is anyone flying a 601 hd - hds with vw power? i am thinking of useing a porsche 914 2.0 eng with a redrive and would like to hear any comments or tips. thanks ralph http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-Listhttp://forums.matronics.com Incentive Free Terrific s> http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:53:17 PM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Digital Level Final Dan- I have 6 bubble levels, from a line level to 4'. I agree a bubble level is just as accurate as a digital, but how do you accurately READ a 1 degree deviation? I can't, and despite how confident you sound, I bet you can't either. Bill do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "leinad" Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 10:03 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Digital Level Final > > Bill, > Something I've never understood was why there's so much interest in tools > that are digital. I have a 25 year old carpenters level 4 foot long. One > can easily see less than a 32nd of inch out level over its length. This > comes to something like 0.04 degrees. This is amply accurate for building > a house or a plane. Plus the batteries never go dead. > Other digital tools... Someone gave me a digital caliper, I also have an > old fashioned rack and pinion dial caliper. The batteries are dead on > (guess which one). > To each his own. > Dan > > > [quote="naumuk(at)alltel.net"]All- > I intend to pick up a digital level at Home Depot or Lowes. Too bad > the HF turned out to be a digital compass, bubble level because the price > was right, the tool was wrong, as was the written description from HF. > A couple of comments: > 1. The Dynon sender and display have to agree within plus/minus 1 > degree, not .01 degree. > 2. I have a number of tools that I've spent big money on but only > used once or twice. In retrospect, I think my NicoPress crimper was a > good investment vs. a cold chisel. > 3. For the lister who said that he now had an outrageous 600 hours in > on his project, probably because he used a digital level since day one > and was too fastidious- > I passed 1000 hrs about the time my grandson was born, and he's ready > to fly. Ever seen a 3 year old in a bomber jacket? > do not archive > Bill Naumuk > Townville, Pa. > HDS 601MG/Corvair 95% > >> [b] > > > -------- > Scratch building XL with Corvair Engine > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=219149#219149 > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:00:51 PM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: vw in 601 hds Personally I know of a lot more Corvair-powered 601s than VW. And I routinely see Corvair-powered 601s in Zenith's booth at the shows. Not to mention the Zenith web site which reads: Engines: Jabiru 3300 Continental O-200 Corvair Lycoming Rotax Others -- Craig From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger & Lina Hill Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 8:34 PM Subject: RE: Zenith-List: vw in 601 hds Corvair, YIKES,,,, I thought my VW was heavy. The corvair is WAY over 200 lbs. Don't ya folks read the max weight spec on the 601s? Ya don't want your engine falling off with your firewall, do ya? Roger _____ From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Naumuk Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 9:04 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: vw in 601 hds Ralph- For very little more outlay than a VW, you get 100hp from a Corvair conversion. Bill do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Roger & Lina Hill Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 7:20 PM Subject: RE: Zenith-List: vw in 601 hds Anyone flying with a VW? Ya, that's me, but I have the HDS. You don't use the 914 with a redrive, here is why. The VW is already too heavy for the 601 You can't get the waste heat out of the engine if it produces over 80 Hp, the air cooled heads don't have enough fin area. The prop would be too long for the wheel clearance on a redrive. 914 parts cost more than 2180 VW You don't need the extra power, 75 HP will do fine in an HD Hope this helps Roger _____ From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Flick Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 2:10 PM Subject: Zenith-List: vw in 601 hds is anyone flying a 601 hd - hds with vw power? i am thinking of useing a porsche 914 2.0 eng with a redrive and would like to hear any comments or tips. thanks ralph http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List http://forums.matronics.com Incentive Free Terrific s> http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:16:08 PM PST US From: "George Swinford" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: vw in 601 hds My Stratus Subaru weighs about the same as an O-200 or Corvair and not only is it approved for the 601HD/HDS but a firewall-forward kit was supplied. George Swinford Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Roger & Lina Hill To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 7:34 PM Subject: RE: Zenith-List: vw in 601 hds Corvair, YIKES,,,, I thought my VW was heavy. The corvair is WAY over 200 lbs. Don't ya folks read the max weight spec on the 601s? Ya don't want your engine falling off with your firewall, do ya? Roger ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Naumuk Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 9:04 PM To: zenith-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: vw in 601 hds Ralph- For very little more outlay than a VW, you get 100hp from a Corvair conversion. Bill do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Roger & Lina Hill To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 7:20 PM Subject: RE: Zenith-List: vw in 601 hds Anyone flying with a VW? Ya, that's me, but I have the HDS. You don't use the 914 with a redrive, here is why. The VW is already too heavy for the 601 You can't get the waste heat out of the engine if it produces over 80 Hp, the air cooled heads don't have enough fin area. The prop would be too long for the wheel clearance on a redrive. 914 parts cost more than 2180 VW You don't need the extra power, 75 HP will do fine in an HD Hope this helps Roger ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Flick Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 2:10 PM To: zenith-list@matronics.com Subject: Zenith-List: vw in 601 hds is anyone flying a 601 hd - hds with vw power? i am thinking of useing a porsche 914 2.0 eng with a redrive and would like to hear any comments or tips. thanks ralph http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-Listhttp://forums.matronics.com Incentive Free Terrific s> http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 11:14:06 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Torque tube From: "vayuwings" Hello - I'm new to the list and am building a 601XL... I've given the topic search my best effort and didn't see anything over the many pages about my subject, so I'll try and describe it and see if anyone could share an opinion. I'm done with the tail and wings and am at a point to test install the torque tube and the Y stick in the fuse for measurement. With the tube resting in the rear bearing behind the seat back, and resting in the front bearing at the center spar, I slid the Y stick over the tube and temporarily installed a bolt in the pre-drilled hole for it in the tube. Now attached to the tube, when I center the Y stick over the ac centerline marked on the top of the center spar, the rear flange of the tube that will attach to the aileron cables is a good 10-15 degrees off pointing to the left (pilot side). I haven't heard from ZAC from my emails a few weeks now, so I thought I would run it by any interested builder. After one would tighten the cables to the rear flange, I'm just not sure if that would work or not. I think the pre-drilled hole was drilled incorrectly in the tube... 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