---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 12/15/08: 21 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:00 AM - Re: First Flight Video (Debo Cox) 2. 04:24 AM - zenith-list@matronics.com (4RCSIMMONS@comcast.net (Rich Simmons)) 3. 05:47 AM - Re: First Flight Video (Bill Steer) 4. 05:47 AM - Re: First Flight Video (Juan Vega) 5. 06:31 AM - Re: First Flight Video (Gig Giacona) 6. 06:39 AM - Re: First Flight Video (sdthatcher) 7. 07:33 AM - Re: First Flight Video (Rick Lindstrom) 8. 07:38 AM - Re: First Flight Video (John Davis) 9. 08:16 AM - Re: First Flight Video (T. Graziano) 10. 09:08 AM - Chat Room Reminder (George Race) 11. 10:03 AM - Germany First to Lift Grounding order! (Iberplanes IGL) 12. 10:20 AM - CH750 - Is this Normal? (Patrick Best) 13. 11:02 AM - Re: CH750 - Is this Normal? (Bryan Martin) 14. 11:37 AM - Change of tailwheel on 601XL (Dr. Andrew Elliott) 15. 03:10 PM - Re: First Flight Video (Mack Kreizenbeck) 16. 03:20 PM - First flight (Bill Naumuk) 17. 04:46 PM - Re: CH750 - Is this Normal? (ZodieRocket) 18. 05:17 PM - Re: First Flight Video (John Reinking) 19. 05:51 PM - Re: CH750 - Is this Normal? (Gary Gower) 20. 07:21 PM - Re: CH750 - Is this Normal? (Brady) 21. 07:49 PM - Re: First Flight Video (Ron Lendon) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:00:44 AM PST US From: Debo Cox Subject: Re: Zenith-List: First Flight Video Congrats on the first flight Andy and thanks for sharing the inspirational video for those of us still toiling away. Csn't wait to make my own video. Debo do not archive ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:24:39 AM PST US From: 4RCSIMMONS@comcast.net (Rich Simmons) Subject: Zenith-List: zenith-list@matronics.com DR. Elliot, Help me! I am am Sick! I am turning green with envy!!!! I know! I'll have to finish my own plane. I also think you have helped my painting dilemma. I think I will use more polish than paint! Looks great and good Job on first flight!!! Great landing as well!! Do Not archive!! -- Thanks, Rich Simmons ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:47:23 AM PST US From: Bill Steer Subject: Re: Zenith-List: First Flight Video Great video, Andy, and the plane is beautiful! Looks like you also had a perfect first landing. Keep us posted on performance numbers. Bill Do not archive Dr. Andrew Elliott wrote: > Gang: > > I am fortunate that my 25-year-old son works as a video editor in > nearby Scottsdale, and was able to stop by for the first flight of > N601GE. This link is to the youtube version of the video he made from > the footage he shot that morning. I think it came out rather well! :) > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OCO9_sXma4 > > If you have a very high-bandwidth connection and/or don't mind the > download time, click the "watch in high quality" link just below the > video. > > Andy Elliott, Mesa, AZ > N601GE,601XL/TD,Corvair > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:47:29 AM PST US From: Juan Vega Subject: Re: Zenith-List: First Flight Video nice JOb! that look really well built! Juan -----Original Message----- >From: Larry Winger >Sent: Dec 15, 2008 12:03 AM >To: zenith-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Zenith-List: First Flight Video > >Very nice, Andy. Good looking plane and a really nice first landing. > >Larry Winger > >On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 6:23 PM, Dr. Andrew Elliott wrote: > >> Gang: >> >> I am fortunate that my 25-year-old son works as a video editor in nearby >> Scottsdale, and was able to stop by for the first flight of N601GE. This >> link is to the youtube version of the video he made from the footage he shot >> that morning. I think it came out rather well! :) >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OCO9_sXma4 >> >> If you have a very high-bandwidth connection and/or don't mind the download >> time, click the "watch in high quality" link just below the video. >> >> Andy Elliott, Mesa, AZ >> N601GE,601XL/TD,Corvair >> >> * >> >> >> ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:31:45 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: First Flight Video From: "Gig Giacona" Great 1st flight video. I kind of needed that video after spending Sunday afternoon doing registration paperwork. Very good first landing. I hope mine joins yours in the flying 601 category soon. -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=219421#219421 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:39:40 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: First Flight Video From: "sdthatcher" Nice Job Andy. That shine was unbelievable. For some reason, standard gear XL's look so much better than tri-gear! The tail wheel looks larger than normal... was that your design or the standard Zenith tail wheel? The video also was great, especially the contrail... how did you do that? :-) Send me or William and Grace some first flight photos for inclusion with the zenvair.com site. Way to go! -------- Scott Thatcher, Palm Beach Gardens, FL 601XL with Corvair, Registered as E-LSA N601EL, EAA203 25 hours and climbing. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=219425#219425 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:33:02 AM PST US From: Rick Lindstrom Subject: Re: Zenith-List: First Flight Video Great job, Doc! Nice landing, too. I hope the first flight experience was all that you hoped it would be. Rick Lindstrom Zenvair N42KP -----Original Message----- >From: "Dr. Andrew Elliott" >Sent: Dec 14, 2008 6:23 PM >To: Zenith-List Digest Server >Subject: Zenith-List: First Flight Video > >Gang: > >I am fortunate that my 25-year-old son works as a video editor in nearby Scottsdale, and was able to stop by for the first flight of N601GE. This link is to the youtube version of the video he made from the footage he shot that morning. I think it came out rather well! :) > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OCO9_sXma4 > >If you have a very high-bandwidth connection and/or don't mind the download time, click the "watch in high quality" link just below the video. > >Andy Elliott, Mesa, AZ >N601GE,601XL/TD,Corvair ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:38:09 AM PST US From: John Davis Subject: Re: Zenith-List: First Flight Video Andy, Great video and congrats on your first flight! Hoping to get mine done soon if the weather would cooperate :-) John Davis 601XL - Jab 3300 Burnsville, NC > -----Original Message----- > >> From: "Dr. Andrew Elliott" >> Sent: Dec 14, 2008 6:23 PM >> To: Zenith-List Digest Server >> Subject: Zenith-List: First Flight Video >> >> Gang: >> >> I am fortunate that my 25-year-old son works as a video editor in nearby Scottsdale, and was able to stop by for the first flight of N601GE. This link is to the youtube version of the video he made from the footage he shot that morning. I think it came out rather well! :) >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OCO9_sXma4 >> >> If you have a very high-bandwidth connection and/or don't mind the download time, click the "watch in high quality" link just below the video. >> >> Andy Elliott, Mesa, AZ >> N601GE,601XL/TD,Corvair >> > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:16:03 AM PST US From: "T. Graziano" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: First Flight Video ----- Original Message ----- From: Dr. Andrew Elliott To: Zenith-List Digest Server Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 8:23 PM Subject: Zenith-List: First Flight Video Gang: I am fortunate that my 25-year-old son works as a video editor in nearby Scottsdale, and was able to stop by for the first flight of N601GE. This link is to the youtube version of the video he made from the footage he shot that morning. I think it came out rather well! :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OCO9_sXma4 If you have a very high-bandwidth connection and/or don't mind the download time, click the "watch in high quality" link just below the video. Andy Elliott, Mesa, AZ N601GE,601XL/TD,Corvair ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:08:09 AM PST US From: "George Race" Subject: Zenith-List: Chat Room Reminder Please join us for the Monday evening chat room starting around 8:00 PM Eastern Time. http://www.mykitairplane.com/chat/ George Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:03:51 AM PST US From: "Iberplanes IGL" Subject: Zenith-List: Germany First to Lift Grounding order! Hello friends good news for the European XL Fleet. :) http://www.zenairulm.com/News/index_files/Page658.htm *When the Dutch CAA grounded all CH 601 XL in the Netherlands based on the preliminary findings of engineers investigating the September 14th accident of a locally built and registered aircraft, Germany was the first country t o adopt a Dutch recommendation to ground all such aircraft. Today, almost six weeks after issuing its Airworthiness Directive halting all CH 601 XL flights in Germany, the German DAeC reversed its grounding order, thereby allowing all owners and pilots of German-registered CH 601 XL to again fly their aircraft. The German DAeC's swift grounding action was initially based on statements found in a preliminary accident report issued by the Dutch Safety Board. When the BFU (Germany's aviation accident investigation office) was not abl e to confirm the validity of these statements through internal design review and/or inter-agency corroboration, it concluded that the design remained airworthy, as type-certificated by the DAeC. As a precautionary measure, an d until all findings for the Dutch investigation are in, the DAeC is nevertheless imposing a number of temporary measures on the aircraft - whic h it feels can only increase operational safety of the aircraft as well as improve regulatory compliance. These measures include the following: 1) Pilots must ensure that the control cable tension of the aircraft has been checked and recorded as per Zenair's Service Bulletin #ZE-2008-01. 2) Prior to the first flight after this grounding period, the owner of the aircraft must complete a standard Weight and Balance check of the aircraft. 3) Items #1 and #2 above must be signed off by a German inspector 5th Class ; Flights may commence as soon as reporting forms have been mailed to DAeC. 4) VNE of the aircraft shall be temporarily set at 180 Km/h; A clearly visible placard must indicate this on the panel. 5) Until further notice, the aircraft may not be flown with any baggage on board. Nick Heintz of Zenair Sarl expressed great relief at the common-sense approach of the German CAA: "While we understand that the temporary speed and baggage restrictions may inconvenience pilots a little until they are lifted, Zenair is very happy to see that according to the experts, the CH 601 XL design continues to meet or surpass all airworthiness requirements." He added that he was pleased with the DAeC's first two conditions (proper cable tension and current weight & balance) as these should be standard procedures for all aircraft, and that adherence to proven airmanship tasks and responsibilities such as these will make flying safer and more enjoyabl e for all sport pilots and their passengers. Added Heintz: "We hope that by having Germany, issuer of the CH 601 XL type-certificate, take this very important first step, other countries will soon follow with their own similar actions [reverse their grounding ADs]. The lifting of the German grounding order has been communicated to all German CH 601 XL owners by mail. All necessary explanations and compliance steps are listed on the new three-page airworthiness directive: Luftt=FCchtigkeitsanweisung LTA-Nr. LSG 08-011-1*. -- Alberto Martin www.iberplanes.es Igualada - Barcelona - Spain ---------------------------------------------- Zodiac 601 XL Builder Serial: 6-7011 Tail Kit: Finished Wings: Not Started Fuselage: Ordered Engine: Jabiru 3300 -- Alberto Martin www.iberplanes.es Igualada - Barcelona - Spain ---------------------------------------------- Zodiac 601 XL Builder Serial: 6-7011 Tail Kit: Finished Wings: Not Started Fuselage: Ordered Engine: Jabiru 3300 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:20:25 AM PST US From: Patrick Best Subject: Zenith-List: CH750 - Is this Normal? I was looking at a photo album, and saw this photo. Can someone tell me if it's normal? http://www.ch750.ca/photoalbum/CH750_detail/s_74.jpg [cid:891111818@15122008-164A] ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:02:46 AM PST US From: Bryan Martin Subject: Re: Zenith-List: CH750 - Is this Normal? I had to look through the entire series of pictures for a while to figure out just what this is a picture of. It appears to be the point where the upper rear edge of the forward wing root fairing meets the roof of the cabin. The same gap is visible on both wing roots (see http://www.ch750.ca/photoalbum/CH750_detail/photo559.htm) . It doesn't look normal, but the fairing is an odd shape that might be difficult to form with out leaving that gap. The rivet might just be filling in an extra hole. On Dec 15, 2008, at 1:19 PM, Patrick Best wrote: > I was looking at a photo album, and saw this photo. > > > Can someone tell me if it's normal? > > http://www.ch750.ca/photoalbum/CH750_detail/s_74.jpg > > > > -- Bryan Martin N61BM, CH 601 XL, RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive. do not archive. ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 11:37:30 AM PST US From: "Dr. Andrew Elliott" Subject: Zenith-List: Change of tailwheel on 601XL Folks: I had been much less than pleased with the 8" Matco T8 tailwheel that came with my 601XL/TD kit. I found it very unresponsive, usually requiring full pedal deflection and braking to get any turn going and then it was quite difficult to control. This might have been due to the way I connected the steering springs to the rudder horn? I even paid Zenith to bend me a new tail spring to a 40=B0 angle, so that the pivot axis would be nearly exactly vertical. All to no avail. So I forked out the ~$350 for a small Maule tailwheel (SFSA) with the solid tire and new compression-type springs. Much better control now. Easy breakouts for quick turns. No shimmy problem. Does ride a bit rougher, as you would expect, compared to the pneumatic one. But I like the slightly lower stance, too, and am well pleased. Anyone who might want a barely used Matco T8 tailwheel ($216 from AS&S) for $70 plus shipping, let me know off list. I would probably make you a good deal on a tail spring, too, as I am thinking of going back to the original spring, whose angle is closer to right for the Maule tailwheel. Andy Elliott, Mesa, AZ N601GE,601XL/TD,Corvair ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 03:10:38 PM PST US From: "Mack Kreizenbeck" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: First Flight Video Andy, Congrats! Great looking bird! You and the bird will have a great future together. Mack N990MK 601XL/3300 Jab ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 03:20:48 PM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Zenith-List: First flight Andy- Tell your son I liked the "Big airplane/little airplane" transition. Between the jet and the quick glimpse of a military plane in the background while you were taxiing back, it looks like you share air and ramp space with the whole zoo! Two thumbs up! do not archive Bill Naumuk Townville, Pa. HDS 601MG/Corvair 95% ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 04:46:04 PM PST US From: "ZodieRocket" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: CH750 - Is this Normal? Patrick, not normal, it is the two weeks to Oshkosh syndrome. Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario Zodiac CH650 C-GOXL, CH701 Rotax 912, STOL CH750 Just started www.ch601.org / www.ch701.com/ www.Osprey2.com -----Original Message----- I was looking at a photo album, and saw this photo. Can someone tell me if it's normal? http://www.ch750.ca/photoalbum/CH750_detail/s_74.jpg ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 05:17:05 PM PST US From: John Reinking Subject: Re: Zenith-List: First Flight Video REALLY COOL! Good for you Dr., your 1st flight looked really nice. We're all proud of you. Welcome to the Zenith Squadron! Best Regards, John Reinking/Woodinville, WA ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 05:51:03 PM PST US From: Gary Gower Subject: Re: Zenith-List: CH750 - Is this Normal? Looks like a cabin's- "Fart Vent"- - PLEASE- Do not archive !!! --- On Mon, 12/15/08, Patrick Best wrote: From: Patrick Best Subject: Zenith-List: CH750 - Is this Normal? #yiv417999020 { BACKGROUND-POSITION:left top;MARGIN-TOP:10px;FONT-SIZE:11pt;MARGIN-LEFT:10p x;COLOR:#000000;BACKGROUND-REPEAT:no-repeat;FONT-FAMILY:Courier New;} I was looking at a photo album, and saw this photo. - - Can someone tell me if it's normal? - http://www.ch750.ca/photoalbum/CH750_detail/s_74.jpg - - -=0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 07:21:12 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: CH750 - Is this Normal? From: "Brady" That is what we call a compromise :) -------- Brady McCormick Poulsbo, WA www.magnificentmachine.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=219538#219538 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 07:49:27 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: First Flight Video From: "Ron Lendon" Congratulations Dr. Elliott, fly safe and often. -------- Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI WW Corvair with Roy's Garage 5th bearing Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-) http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=219541#219541 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message zenith-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Zenith-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/zenith-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/zenith-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.