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1. 07:01 AM - EFB's/Moving Map Software (Debo Cox)
2. 07:16 AM - Re: EFB's/Moving Map Software (jaybannist@cs.com)
3. 01:53 PM - Strobe control unit mounting locations. (Darryl Legg)
4. 02:10 PM - Re: Strobe control unit mounting locations. (jaybannist@cs.com)
5. 02:13 PM - Re: Strobe control unit mounting locations. (Gig Giacona)
6. 02:49 PM - Re: Strobe control unit mounting locations. (George Race)
7. 03:13 PM - Re: Strobe control unit mounting locations. (Rick Lindstrom)
8. 04:02 PM - Re: Strobe control unit mounting locations. (Bryan Martin)
9. 04:42 PM - Panel laminate (Bill Naumuk)
10. 04:44 PM - Re: Strobe control unit mounting locations. (skyridersbn)
11. 04:58 PM - Re: Panel laminate (George Swinford)
12. 05:04 PM - Re: Panel laminate (Bill Naumuk)
13. 06:26 PM - Re: EFB's/Moving Map Software (Ron Lendon)
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| Subject: | EFB's/Moving Map Software |
I'm just curious if anyone out there is using a small laptop computer with EFB
(Electronic Flight Bag) or moving map software in their cockpit? I was originally
thinking of using something like a Lowrance Airmap 2000c, but I just bought
a small laptop that would fit in my XL quite nicely and after doing a little
research, looks like it might do a better job for less money with a GPS antenna
and the right software. I know Mark Langford uses one in his KR2S with ChartCase
software - just curious about other's experience.
Debo Cox
Scratchbuilt XL/Corvair
www.mykitlog.com/debo
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| Subject: | Re: EFB's/Moving Map Software |
Debo
I would be very reluctant to use a laptop for a primary instrument in an airplane.?
I have never seen one with a screen that could be seen in bright sunlight.?
At the very least, I would try it out in the sunlight at home before deciding.
Jay in Dallas
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From: Debo Cox <sky_ranger161@yahoo.com>
Sent: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 9:00 am
Subject: Zenith-List: EFB's/Moving Map Software
I'm just curious if anyone out there is using a small laptop computer with EFB
(Electronic Flight Bag) or moving map software in their cockpit? I was
originally thinking of using something like a Lowrance Airmap 2000c, but I just
bought a small laptop that would fit in my XL quite nicely and after doing a
little research, looks like it might do a better job for less money with a GPS
antenna and the right software. I know Mark Langford uses one in his KR2S with
ChartCase software - just curious about other's experience.
Debo Cox
Scratchbuilt XL/Corvair
www.mykitlog.com/debo
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| Subject: | Strobe control unit mounting locations. |
Greetings builders,
Am just trying to decide on mounting locations for the strobe control units, whether
to place in wing tips or behind the seats. Behind the seats seems a good
location for easy access, but would the length of wire out to the strobe lights
pose any problem, or would the wire need to be double insulated etc?
:?
Thanks for your time guys and gals.
Darryl
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| Subject: | Re: Strobe control unit mounting locations. |
Darryl,
If locating the strobe power supplies behind the seats is such a good idea, I wonder
why Zenith didn't recommend it. My guess is that it presents the possibility
of all kinds of electrical interference (which double insulation wouldn't
fix). Why not mount it where Zenith recommends?? If you do, you need not worry
about electrical interference. If you are concerned about access, you can always
put an access panel in the aluminum part of the wingtip.?
Jay in Dallas
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From: Darryl Legg <dlegg@tpg.com.au>
Sent: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 3:53 pm
Subject: Zenith-List: Strobe control unit mounting locations.
Greetings builders,
Am just trying to decide on mounting locations for the strobe control units,
whether to place in wing tips or behind the seats. Behind the seats seems a good
location for easy access, but would the length of wire out to the strobe lights
pose any problem, or would the wire need to be double insulated etc?
:?
Thanks for your time guys and gals.
Darryl
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| Subject: | Re: Strobe control unit mounting locations. |
Wing tips. Lots less chance of radio interference.
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W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | Strobe control unit mounting locations. |
Darryl ask:
"Am just trying to decide on mounting locations for the strobe control
units, whether to place in wing tips or behind the seats. Behind the seats
seems a good location for easy access, but would the length of wire out to
the strobe lights pose any problem, or would the wire need to be double
insulated etc?"
Your best mounting location is at the wing tip, close to the strobe/running
light.
I ran a continuous piece of Belden Microphone Cable, fully shielded with
both braided shield and belfoil coating. The wire also contained two 16
gauge stranded wires as well. I ran the strobe on one wire, the running
lamp on the other. Grounded both ends of the shielded cable to the
airframe. Even with the radio receiving a very weak signal could not hear
any noise from the strobes. You can see pictures of my install and the
access panel for future service if needed at:
http://www.mykitairplane.com/MyCH701 There are about 600 pictures there on
line to view.
George
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| Subject: | Re: Strobe control unit mounting locations. |
Before you go to the hassle of mounting up the strobe flash units and the power
supplies, you might want to consider the new AveoFlash units which combine position
lights, strobes, and smart power supplies in a single externally mounted
wingtip unit. If you were at OSH earlier this year, you might have seen me excitedly
running around with one of these elegant units and a 9V transistor battery,
which powers it just fine! So far, Dream Aircraft, Zenith, RANS, and a
few other manufacturers have already decided on these as OEM units. True Flight
Aviation has ordered up the Aveo stuff for the reintroduced Tiger, since the
stuff is already certified in Europe.
I know this sounds like a commercial, but this was the coolest thing I've seen
in years. I'll be pulling my position lights/strobes and power supplies out of
my 601 XL wingtips, the position light from the tail, and replacing the whole
thing with the Aveo units. Most likely I'll follow suit by replacing the two
landing lights with the Aveo high intensity LED landing light arrays as well.
With the position lights, the strobes, and the landing lights all turned on, the
current is well under a measly two amps (most of the current going to the landing
lights). With a Corvair engine that lives or dies by battery power, I
really want to keep my aggregate current load as minimal as possible.
Yeah, I know I'll have to drill out some wingtip rivets to do this, but I think
it's worthwhile. Anybody need a conventional set of lights and strobes?
One more thing. I've contacted Aveo USA about putting together a group buy on these
units, and we're planning on doing just this at Corvair College #13. All
we need is five orders to take 10% off the top. It's not cheap at around $660
for a pair of integrated wingtip strobes and position lights, but that includes
everything you need. There are only four wires to hook up, a ground, power
for the strobes, power for the position lights, and a wire that syncs up the
strobe flashes with any other installed Aveo units.
You can check this stuff out at aveoengineering.com, and read my brief review on the KITPLANES blog at http://kitplanesmag.blogspot.com. If you do a search on "aveo" it will come right up, with a photo of the wingtip unit happily running off of a little transistor radio battery.
Rick Lindstrom
N42KP
-----Original Message-----
>From: Darryl Legg <dlegg@tpg.com.au>
>Sent: Dec 17, 2008 4:53 PM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Zenith-List: Strobe control unit mounting locations.
>
>
>Greetings builders,
>Am just trying to decide on mounting locations for the strobe control units, whether
to place in wing tips or behind the seats. Behind the seats seems a good
location for easy access, but would the length of wire out to the strobe lights
pose any problem, or would the wire need to be double insulated etc?
> :?
>Thanks for your time guys and gals.
>Darryl
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=219845#219845
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Strobe control unit mounting locations. |
I have my strobe power supplies installed under the seat pans, one on
each side. I can easily access them through the spar bolt access panel
in the seat pan. I have a two wire shielded cable running from the
power supply to the lamp on each wing tip with the shield grounded at
both ends. I have no strobe noise in the audio from the radios at all.
I can hear some strobe noise in the intercom circuit if I turn the
intercom volume way up, but at normal volume it is not noticeable. I
would also recommend using a shielded wire to feed power to the strobe
power supplies, I didn't do this and that might be why I get the
small amount of noise in the intercom.
The most important thing to do is make sure your audio cables are
properly shielded and that the shields are all grounded at one end
only at a common point such as the intercom or audio panel. Also, the
mic and headset jacks should not be grounded and the shields should
not carry any of the audio signal. Separate audio supply and return
wires should be used inside a common shield. These procedures will
prevent most of the problems with noise in the audio circuits.
The rule of grounding shields at only one end only applies to audio
and data signal wires, all other shields should be grounded at both
ends. Shields on audio and data wires are to keep noise from getting
in to the wire, shields on other wires are to keep noise from getting
out of the wire.
>
> Greetings builders,
> Am just trying to decide on mounting locations for the strobe
> control units, whether to place in wing tips or behind the seats.
> Behind the seats seems a good location for easy access, but would
> the length of wire out to the strobe lights pose any problem, or
> would the wire need to be double insulated etc?
> :?
> Thanks for your time guys and gals.
> Darryl
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL,
RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.
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All-
After trying for weeks to find a plastic laminate to cover my panel
with I tried McMaster Carr in desperation. Bingo- a bizillion choices.
Shipping will probably cost as much as the material.
Why? The .025 kit panel is simply too flimsy for my liking. In
addition, I won't have to worry about scratching the paint, because
there won't be any. I'll attach the laminate using ACS #08-01026 spray
adhesive, which is high temp super glue in a spray can. Great stuff- I
found it by accident. The weight penalty should be negligible.
Three days 'till Christmas vacation. Hopefully all the instruments
will get mounted and I'll be soldering soon. My shopping's been done for
a week, and the cards went out last weekend. All prepared to make major
progress.
Merry Christmas!
Bill
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Bill Naumuk
Townville, Pa.
HDS 601MG/Corvair 95%
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| Subject: | Re: Strobe control unit mounting locations. |
Speaking of grounding, I was talking with my DAR about the nav/strobe light configuration.
He asked me if I have grounded them directly to the airframe? I
told him I had because that is what it showed in the photo guide. He asked me
if I would do him and myself a big favor? He asked me to spend a few extra
dollars and buy enough wire to run the grounds for the lighting back to the cabin
and use a grounding block there. He went on to explain, over the years, they
have found out using the air structure as the ground, sets up the aircraft
for excessive corrosion.
I have to take his word for it, since I'm a newbie here. (Please don't shoot the
messenger!!) I personally think this gentleman is a total wealth of knowledge
and I feel blessed having him watching over my shoulder! (Thanks Lowell!)
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Larry Hursh (N650LM Reserved)
CH601XL (Conversion to CH650)
will be Corvair Powered
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| Subject: | Re: Panel laminate |
A local source for laminate would be a company that installs laminate
counter tops or shower enclosures. Scraps of such laminate also make
great patterns and templates, and the price is right.
George
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----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Naumuk
To: zenith list
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 4:41 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Panel laminate
All-
After trying for weeks to find a plastic laminate to cover my
panel with I tried McMaster Carr in desperation. Bingo- a bizillion
choices. Shipping will probably cost as much as the material.
Why? The .025 kit panel is simply too flimsy for my liking. In
addition, I won't have to worry about scratching the paint, because
there won't be any. I'll attach the laminate using ACS #08-01026 spray
adhesive, which is high temp super glue in a spray can. Great stuff- I
found it by accident. The weight penalty should be negligible.
Three days 'till Christmas vacation. Hopefully all the instruments
will get mounted and I'll be soldering soon. My shopping's been done for
a week, and the cards went out last weekend. All prepared to make major
progress.
Merry Christmas!
Bill
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Bill Naumuk
Townville, Pa.
HDS 601MG/Corvair 95%
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| Subject: | Re: Panel laminate |
George-
The McMaster Carr price for more than I'll need came to less than
$7. Like I say, shipping or driving around to find something will cost
more than what you're looking for these days.
Bill
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From: George Swinford
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 7:56 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Panel laminate
A local source for laminate would be a company that installs laminate
counter tops or shower enclosures. Scraps of such laminate also make
great patterns and templates, and the price is right.
George
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----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Naumuk
To: zenith list
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 4:41 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Panel laminate
All-
After trying for weeks to find a plastic laminate to cover my
panel with I tried McMaster Carr in desperation. Bingo- a bizillion
choices. Shipping will probably cost as much as the material.
Why? The .025 kit panel is simply too flimsy for my liking. In
addition, I won't have to worry about scratching the paint, because
there won't be any. I'll attach the laminate using ACS #08-01026 spray
adhesive, which is high temp super glue in a spray can. Great stuff- I
found it by accident. The weight penalty should be negligible.
Three days 'till Christmas vacation. Hopefully all the
instruments will get mounted and I'll be soldering soon. My shopping's
been done for a week, and the cards went out last weekend. All prepared
to make major progress.
Merry Christmas!
Bill
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Bill Naumuk
Townville, Pa.
HDS 601MG/Corvair 95%
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| Subject: | Re: EFB's/Moving Map Software |
Debo,
Langford just bought another laptop before CC#12 ask him what is is. He got it
off Ebay, but the reason he got it was because of the bright screen it has.
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Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI
WW Corvair with Roy's Garage 5th bearing
Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-)
http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon
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