---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 12/17/08: 13 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:01 AM - EFB's/Moving Map Software (Debo Cox) 2. 07:16 AM - Re: EFB's/Moving Map Software (jaybannist@cs.com) 3. 01:53 PM - Strobe control unit mounting locations. (Darryl Legg) 4. 02:10 PM - Re: Strobe control unit mounting locations. (jaybannist@cs.com) 5. 02:13 PM - Re: Strobe control unit mounting locations. (Gig Giacona) 6. 02:49 PM - Re: Strobe control unit mounting locations. (George Race) 7. 03:13 PM - Re: Strobe control unit mounting locations. (Rick Lindstrom) 8. 04:02 PM - Re: Strobe control unit mounting locations. (Bryan Martin) 9. 04:42 PM - Panel laminate (Bill Naumuk) 10. 04:44 PM - Re: Strobe control unit mounting locations. (skyridersbn) 11. 04:58 PM - Re: Panel laminate (George Swinford) 12. 05:04 PM - Re: Panel laminate (Bill Naumuk) 13. 06:26 PM - Re: EFB's/Moving Map Software (Ron Lendon) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:01:33 AM PST US From: Debo Cox Subject: Zenith-List: EFB's/Moving Map Software I'm just curious if anyone out there is using a small laptop computer with EFB (Electronic Flight Bag) or moving map software in their cockpit? I was originally thinking of using something like a Lowrance Airmap 2000c, but I just bought a small laptop that would fit in my XL quite nicely and after doing a little research, looks like it might do a better job for less money with a GPS antenna and the right software. I know Mark Langford uses one in his KR2S with ChartCase software - just curious about other's experience. Debo Cox Scratchbuilt XL/Corvair www.mykitlog.com/debo do not archive ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:16:47 AM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: EFB's/Moving Map Software From: jaybannist@cs.com Debo I would be very reluctant to use a laptop for a primary instrument in an airplane.? I have never seen one with a screen that could be seen in bright sunlight.? At the very least, I would try it out in the sunlight at home before deciding. Jay in Dallas -----Original Message----- From: Debo Cox Sent: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 9:00 am Subject: Zenith-List: EFB's/Moving Map Software I'm just curious if anyone out there is using a small laptop computer with EFB (Electronic Flight Bag) or moving map software in their cockpit? I was originally thinking of using something like a Lowrance Airmap 2000c, but I just bought a small laptop that would fit in my XL quite nicely and after doing a little research, looks like it might do a better job for less money with a GPS antenna and the right software. I know Mark Langford uses one in his KR2S with ChartCase software - just curious about other's experience. Debo Cox Scratchbuilt XL/Corvair www.mykitlog.com/debo do not archive ________________________________________________________________________ Email message sent from CompuServe - visit us today at http://www.cs.com ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 01:53:42 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Strobe control unit mounting locations. From: "Darryl Legg" Greetings builders, Am just trying to decide on mounting locations for the strobe control units, whether to place in wing tips or behind the seats. Behind the seats seems a good location for easy access, but would the length of wire out to the strobe lights pose any problem, or would the wire need to be double insulated etc? :? Thanks for your time guys and gals. Darryl Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=219845#219845 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 02:10:14 PM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Strobe control unit mounting locations. From: jaybannist@cs.com Darryl, If locating the strobe power supplies behind the seats is such a good idea, I wonder why Zenith didn't recommend it. My guess is that it presents the possibility of all kinds of electrical interference (which double insulation wouldn't fix). Why not mount it where Zenith recommends?? If you do, you need not worry about electrical interference. If you are concerned about access, you can always put an access panel in the aluminum part of the wingtip.? Jay in Dallas Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: Darryl Legg Sent: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 3:53 pm Subject: Zenith-List: Strobe control unit mounting locations. Greetings builders, Am just trying to decide on mounting locations for the strobe control units, whether to place in wing tips or behind the seats. Behind the seats seems a good location for easy access, but would the length of wire out to the strobe lights pose any problem, or would the wire need to be double insulated etc? :? Thanks for your time guys and gals. Darryl Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=219845#219845 ________________________________________________________________________ Email message sent from CompuServe - visit us today at http://www.cs.com ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 02:13:20 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Strobe control unit mounting locations. From: "Gig Giacona" Wing tips. Lots less chance of radio interference. -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=219847#219847 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 02:49:40 PM PST US From: "George Race" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Strobe control unit mounting locations. Darryl ask: "Am just trying to decide on mounting locations for the strobe control units, whether to place in wing tips or behind the seats. Behind the seats seems a good location for easy access, but would the length of wire out to the strobe lights pose any problem, or would the wire need to be double insulated etc?" Your best mounting location is at the wing tip, close to the strobe/running light. I ran a continuous piece of Belden Microphone Cable, fully shielded with both braided shield and belfoil coating. The wire also contained two 16 gauge stranded wires as well. I ran the strobe on one wire, the running lamp on the other. Grounded both ends of the shielded cable to the airframe. Even with the radio receiving a very weak signal could not hear any noise from the strobes. You can see pictures of my install and the access panel for future service if needed at: http://www.mykitairplane.com/MyCH701 There are about 600 pictures there on line to view. George ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 03:13:17 PM PST US From: Rick Lindstrom Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Strobe control unit mounting locations. Before you go to the hassle of mounting up the strobe flash units and the power supplies, you might want to consider the new AveoFlash units which combine position lights, strobes, and smart power supplies in a single externally mounted wingtip unit. If you were at OSH earlier this year, you might have seen me excitedly running around with one of these elegant units and a 9V transistor battery, which powers it just fine! So far, Dream Aircraft, Zenith, RANS, and a few other manufacturers have already decided on these as OEM units. True Flight Aviation has ordered up the Aveo stuff for the reintroduced Tiger, since the stuff is already certified in Europe. I know this sounds like a commercial, but this was the coolest thing I've seen in years. I'll be pulling my position lights/strobes and power supplies out of my 601 XL wingtips, the position light from the tail, and replacing the whole thing with the Aveo units. Most likely I'll follow suit by replacing the two landing lights with the Aveo high intensity LED landing light arrays as well. With the position lights, the strobes, and the landing lights all turned on, the current is well under a measly two amps (most of the current going to the landing lights). With a Corvair engine that lives or dies by battery power, I really want to keep my aggregate current load as minimal as possible. Yeah, I know I'll have to drill out some wingtip rivets to do this, but I think it's worthwhile. Anybody need a conventional set of lights and strobes? One more thing. I've contacted Aveo USA about putting together a group buy on these units, and we're planning on doing just this at Corvair College #13. All we need is five orders to take 10% off the top. It's not cheap at around $660 for a pair of integrated wingtip strobes and position lights, but that includes everything you need. There are only four wires to hook up, a ground, power for the strobes, power for the position lights, and a wire that syncs up the strobe flashes with any other installed Aveo units. You can check this stuff out at aveoengineering.com, and read my brief review on the KITPLANES blog at http://kitplanesmag.blogspot.com. If you do a search on "aveo" it will come right up, with a photo of the wingtip unit happily running off of a little transistor radio battery. Rick Lindstrom N42KP -----Original Message----- >From: Darryl Legg >Sent: Dec 17, 2008 4:53 PM >To: zenith-list@matronics.com >Subject: Zenith-List: Strobe control unit mounting locations. > > >Greetings builders, >Am just trying to decide on mounting locations for the strobe control units, whether to place in wing tips or behind the seats. Behind the seats seems a good location for easy access, but would the length of wire out to the strobe lights pose any problem, or would the wire need to be double insulated etc? > :? >Thanks for your time guys and gals. >Darryl > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=219845#219845 > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 04:02:06 PM PST US From: Bryan Martin Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Strobe control unit mounting locations. I have my strobe power supplies installed under the seat pans, one on each side. I can easily access them through the spar bolt access panel in the seat pan. I have a two wire shielded cable running from the power supply to the lamp on each wing tip with the shield grounded at both ends. I have no strobe noise in the audio from the radios at all. I can hear some strobe noise in the intercom circuit if I turn the intercom volume way up, but at normal volume it is not noticeable. I would also recommend using a shielded wire to feed power to the strobe power supplies, I didn't do this and that might be why I get the small amount of noise in the intercom. The most important thing to do is make sure your audio cables are properly shielded and that the shields are all grounded at one end only at a common point such as the intercom or audio panel. Also, the mic and headset jacks should not be grounded and the shields should not carry any of the audio signal. Separate audio supply and return wires should be used inside a common shield. These procedures will prevent most of the problems with noise in the audio circuits. The rule of grounding shields at only one end only applies to audio and data signal wires, all other shields should be grounded at both ends. Shields on audio and data wires are to keep noise from getting in to the wire, shields on other wires are to keep noise from getting out of the wire. > > Greetings builders, > Am just trying to decide on mounting locations for the strobe > control units, whether to place in wing tips or behind the seats. > Behind the seats seems a good location for easy access, but would > the length of wire out to the strobe lights pose any problem, or > would the wire need to be double insulated etc? > :? > Thanks for your time guys and gals. > Darryl -- Bryan Martin N61BM, CH 601 XL, RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 04:42:04 PM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Zenith-List: Panel laminate All- After trying for weeks to find a plastic laminate to cover my panel with I tried McMaster Carr in desperation. Bingo- a bizillion choices. Shipping will probably cost as much as the material. Why? The .025 kit panel is simply too flimsy for my liking. In addition, I won't have to worry about scratching the paint, because there won't be any. I'll attach the laminate using ACS #08-01026 spray adhesive, which is high temp super glue in a spray can. Great stuff- I found it by accident. The weight penalty should be negligible. Three days 'till Christmas vacation. Hopefully all the instruments will get mounted and I'll be soldering soon. My shopping's been done for a week, and the cards went out last weekend. All prepared to make major progress. Merry Christmas! Bill do not archive Bill Naumuk Townville, Pa. HDS 601MG/Corvair 95% ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 04:44:13 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Strobe control unit mounting locations. From: "skyridersbn" Speaking of grounding, I was talking with my DAR about the nav/strobe light configuration. He asked me if I have grounded them directly to the airframe? I told him I had because that is what it showed in the photo guide. He asked me if I would do him and myself a big favor? He asked me to spend a few extra dollars and buy enough wire to run the grounds for the lighting back to the cabin and use a grounding block there. He went on to explain, over the years, they have found out using the air structure as the ground, sets up the aircraft for excessive corrosion. I have to take his word for it, since I'm a newbie here. (Please don't shoot the messenger!!) I personally think this gentleman is a total wealth of knowledge and I feel blessed having him watching over my shoulder! (Thanks Lowell!) -------- Larry Hursh (N650LM Reserved) CH601XL (Conversion to CH650) will be Corvair Powered Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=219877#219877 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 04:58:27 PM PST US From: "George Swinford" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Panel laminate A local source for laminate would be a company that installs laminate counter tops or shower enclosures. Scraps of such laminate also make great patterns and templates, and the price is right. George do not archive. ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Naumuk To: zenith list Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 4:41 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Panel laminate All- After trying for weeks to find a plastic laminate to cover my panel with I tried McMaster Carr in desperation. Bingo- a bizillion choices. Shipping will probably cost as much as the material. Why? The .025 kit panel is simply too flimsy for my liking. In addition, I won't have to worry about scratching the paint, because there won't be any. I'll attach the laminate using ACS #08-01026 spray adhesive, which is high temp super glue in a spray can. Great stuff- I found it by accident. The weight penalty should be negligible. Three days 'till Christmas vacation. Hopefully all the instruments will get mounted and I'll be soldering soon. My shopping's been done for a week, and the cards went out last weekend. All prepared to make major progress. Merry Christmas! Bill do not archive Bill Naumuk Townville, Pa. HDS 601MG/Corvair 95% ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 05:04:23 PM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Panel laminate George- The McMaster Carr price for more than I'll need came to less than $7. Like I say, shipping or driving around to find something will cost more than what you're looking for these days. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: George Swinford To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 7:56 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Panel laminate A local source for laminate would be a company that installs laminate counter tops or shower enclosures. Scraps of such laminate also make great patterns and templates, and the price is right. George do not archive. ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Naumuk To: zenith list Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 4:41 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Panel laminate All- After trying for weeks to find a plastic laminate to cover my panel with I tried McMaster Carr in desperation. Bingo- a bizillion choices. Shipping will probably cost as much as the material. Why? The .025 kit panel is simply too flimsy for my liking. In addition, I won't have to worry about scratching the paint, because there won't be any. I'll attach the laminate using ACS #08-01026 spray adhesive, which is high temp super glue in a spray can. Great stuff- I found it by accident. The weight penalty should be negligible. Three days 'till Christmas vacation. Hopefully all the instruments will get mounted and I'll be soldering soon. My shopping's been done for a week, and the cards went out last weekend. All prepared to make major progress. Merry Christmas! Bill do not archive Bill Naumuk Townville, Pa. HDS 601MG/Corvair 95% href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List">http://www.matron href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 06:26:38 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: EFB's/Moving Map Software From: "Ron Lendon" Debo, Langford just bought another laptop before CC#12 ask him what is is. He got it off Ebay, but the reason he got it was because of the bright screen it has. -------- Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI WW Corvair with Roy's Garage 5th bearing Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-) http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=219886#219886 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message zenith-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Zenith-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/zenith-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/zenith-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.