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1. 05:21 AM - Re: Radio Tray (jaybannist@cs.com)
2. 06:33 AM - Re: Radio Tray (Bill Naumuk)
3. 06:39 AM - Aileron Rib Gusset Questions (nosky2high)
4. 07:20 AM - Re: Aileron Rib Gusset Questions (nosky2high)
5. 07:31 AM - Re: Aileron Rib Gusset Questions (nosky2high)
6. 08:19 AM - Re: Aileron Rib Gusset Questions (nosky2high)
7. 10:48 AM - Re: Re: Engine Cooling (Dirk Zahtilla)
8. 11:00 AM - Re: Aileron Rib Gusset Questions (Sabrina)
9. 11:03 AM - Re: Re: Aileron Rib Gusset Questions (Terry Phillips)
10. 11:15 AM - Re: Aileron Rib Gusset Questions (nosky2high)
11. 11:28 AM - Re: Re: Engine Cooling (Bryan Martin)
12. 11:30 AM - Re: Aileron Rib Gusset Questions (Sabrina)
13. 11:48 AM - Re: Re: Engine Cooling (Paul Mulwitz)
14. 11:58 AM - Re: Aileron Rib Gusset Questions (nosky2high)
15. 01:39 PM - Re: Re: Aileron Rib Gusset Questions (Juan Vega)
16. 04:16 PM - Re: Re: Aileron Rib Gusset Questions (A.F.RUPP@att.net)
17. 05:20 PM - Re: Aileron Rib Gusset Questions (Sabrina)
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Yep, I missed it when looking for it yesterday.=C2- I must have seen it w
hen I was building, though.=C2- And, yes, it is .025".
Jay in Dallas
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From: Craig Payne <craig@craigandjean.com>
Sent: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 11:08 pm
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Radio Tray
The wide channel from the bottom of the instrument panel to the
firewall is 6K2-1 in the *fuel system* section. It is made of 0.025
=9D
=C2-
-- Craig
=C2-
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Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 7:25 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Radio Tray
=C2-
Bill,
I don't know what you are calling a "radio tray".=C2- If you are
referring to the wide channel that goes from the bottom center of the panel
to
the firewall, that part does not show anywhere on my drawings. I don't
even remember how I figured out where it was supposed to go. I think it is
.025" but I don't know for sure.=C2- As I recall I had to make a special
connector to fasten it to the channel on the firewall (see photos).
Jay in Dallas
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=C2-
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From: Bill Naumuk <naumuk@alltel.net>
Sent: Wed, 3120Dec 2008 7:50 pm
Subject: Zenith-List: Radio Tray
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What gauge is the radio tray made out of, .025 or .032? I figured .040 for t
he
radio side mounts.
Bill
Naumuk
Townville, Pa.
HDS 601MG/Corvair 95%
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Craig-
I guessed right at .025, guessed being the operant word. Thanks.
Bill
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From: Craig Payne
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 12:08 AM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Radio Tray
The wide channel from the bottom of the instrument panel to the
firewall is 6K2-1 in the *fuel system* section. It is made of 0.025"
-- Craig
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Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Radio Tray
Bill,
I don't know what you are calling a "radio tray". If you are
referring to the wide channel that goes from the bottom center of the
panel to the firewall, that part does not show anywhere on my drawings.
I don't even remember how I figured out where it was supposed to go. I
think it is .025" but I don't know for sure. As I recall I had to make
a special connector to fasten it to the channel on the firewall (see
photos).
Jay in Dallas
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From: Bill Naumuk <naumuk@alltel.net>
To: zenith list <zenith-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 7:50 pm
Subject: Zenith-List: Radio Tray
All-
What gauge is the radio tray made out of, .025 or .032? I figured
.040 for the radio side mounts.
Bill Naumuk
Townville, Pa.
HDS 601MG/Corvair 95%
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| Subject: | Aileron Rib Gusset Questions |
Happy New Year Everyone,
Has anyone out there installed the aileron gussets (on the two outboard most ribs)into
the 650 ailerons? The assembly guide doesn't show them yet they are only
on the plans.
Any guidance or advice on the best method of assembly would be appreciated.
Thanks
Anthony
Ft Bragg, NC
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron Rib Gusset Questions |
my error to previous post, gussets go on two inboard ribs
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron Rib Gusset Questions |
Ok, Here's what looks like the best solution, the triangle shaped gusset goes under
the inboard most rib flange as well as under the the aileron spar flange,
the second gusset goes under the Aileron spar flange centered on top of the second
rib. I'm lost without some destructions, i mean instructions
Any thoughts? Thanks in Advance.
Anthony [Question]
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron Rib Gusset Questions |
here's some gusset pics for reference, note that the inboard triangle gusset's
long edge is oriented along the top of the inboard rib flange.
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| Subject: | Re: Engine Cooling |
Would you please explain what a defuser consists of and what you mean by
a divergent duct. I am interested in learning more on this topic.
If you would rather email me direct to avoid having your body parts
chewed off by those on the list who insist on being righter than anyone
else, please do.
Thanks,
Dirk Zahtilla ideaz1@sbcglobal.net
Interem Airport Manager, CXP
Carson City, Nv.
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron Rib Gusset Questions |
Anthony,
>From your photos it looks like you have flex hinge ailerons not piano hinge ailerons,
is this true?
Attached is the Zenith drawing for the installation of the gussets. Does it match
your drawings?
I would contact Zenith before installing the gussets on a flex hinge. It was the
piano hinge aileron design that was having the problems talked about in the
paragraph above the drawings but the drawing shows a flex hinge installation.
This could be a defensive move by Zenith. They can always point to the bulletin
and say "See the drawing" this is what we recommended to be installed on all
601XL, and the service bulletin shows flex hinged ailerons. I don't know.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=222208#222208
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron Rib Gusset Questions |
Anthony
Thank you for the photos. It's good to see what the gussets look like.
I would like to suggest that you use the free image resizer from Microsoft
on photos that you upload to Matronics or attach to your posts:
http://download.microsoft.com/download/whistler/Install/2/WXP/EN-US/ImageResizerPowertoySetup.exe
The large size will reduce the files size by about an 10x, with very little
degradation of image quality. It makes it easier for those of us in the
hinterlands with slow Internet links to download the photos.
Terry
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At 08:18 AM 1/1/2009 -0800, you wrote:
>here's some gusset pics for reference, note that the inboard triangle
>gusset's long edge is oriented along the top of the inboard rib flange.
>
>--------
>Anthony Hanson
Terry Phillips ZBAGer
ttp44~at~rkymtn.net
Corvallis MT
601XL/Jab 3300 s .. l .. o .. o .. w build kit - Tail, flaps, & ailerons
are done; working on the wings
http://www.mykitlog.com/N47TP/
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron Rib Gusset Questions |
All,
Excuse the file size of the photos, will adjust in the future.
My 650 is equipped with the hinge-less ailerons and my current opinion is to follow
the drawings guidance and that they are a good precaution regardless of hinge
type. I just finished assembly of the right aileron, starting on the left
after this post.
Regards,
Anthony
PS: Reminder I'm building from 650 component kits, tail 95%, flaps done, ailerons
in progress, corvair engine test ran complete.
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| Subject: | Re: Engine Cooling |
A definition From the web: "A diffuser is a passage so shaped (usually
in the form of a divergent duct) that it will change the
characteristics of a fluid flow from a certain pressure and velocity
at the inlet to a lower velocity and higher pressure at the outlet.
Generally, the diffusion must be carried out in a well-streamlined
passage having smooth interior surfaces, and sides not diverging at so
great an angle as to cause the fluid to leave the sides of the
diffuser. By reducing the velocity through increasing the cross-
sectional area of flow, the pressure may be built up as the velocity
head is diminished. Diffusers are used to conserve energy by
efficiently converting velocity head into pressure."
A divergent duct is simply a duct whose cross sectional area increases
in the down stream direction. Because slower moving air remains in
contact with the cooling fins for a longer period of time, it can soak
up more heat from the engine to carry away. You still have to make
sure the cooling exit duct is larger than the inlet duct and is
located in a area of lower pressure.
On Jan 1, 2009, at 1:45 PM, Dirk Zahtilla wrote:
> Would you please explain what a defuser consists of and what you
> mean by a divergent duct. I am interested in learning more on this
> topic.
> If you would rather email me direct to avoid having your body parts
> chewed off by those on the list who insist on being righter than
> anyone else, please do.
>
>
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL,
RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron Rib Gusset Questions |
The problem is that your flex hinge was tested extensively by CH without the gussets.
http://zenithair.com/images/kit-data/ht-aileron.html
The gussets will create ripples/stress points along the attach line between the
flex hinge portion of the aileron skin and the spar portion of the aileron skin.
The .016 skin will be raised by .025 and then settle back down. The key
to a flex hinge is the smoothness of the hinge.
I would contact Zenith and ask them if the flex hinge aileron with gusset drawing
is correct and/or tested.
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| Subject: | Re: Engine Cooling |
Hi Dirk,
There is a really great magazine article describing this new
technology. Title: Cooling Drag. Page 106. EAA Sport
Aviation. December 2007. Author Christopher Zavatson.
I strongly recommend this article. I have read it a few times and
keep it handy for reference.
Good luck,
Paul
XL getting close
At 10:45 AM 1/1/2009, you wrote:
>Would you please explain what a defuser consists of and what you
>mean by a divergent duct. I am interested in learning more on this topic.
>If you would rather email me direct to avoid having your body parts
>chewed off by those on the list who insist on being righter than
>anyone else, please do.
>
>Thanks,
>Dirk Zahtilla <mailto:ideaz1@sbcglobal.net>ideaz1@sbcglobal.net
>Interem Airport Manager, CXP
>Carson City, Nv.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron Rib Gusset Questions |
Sabrina,
Good call, and the most conservative approach. Your logic is sound. Will hold
off on the rivets until confirmation with ZAC. I'm getting high on self etching
primer anyway:-)
You veteran builders out there, thanks in advance, this new guy is a pilot only(Prior
Piper Cherokee owner, and currently Army Kiowa Warrior Pilot) and am still
learning the engineering know-how that so many of you exhibit.
I'm a follow the plans/instructions, getter done kind of guy. Appreciate this
gotcha advice and the future guidance to come.
Anthony
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron Rib Gusset Questions |
All;
the control locks in the picture are mine, and they work well. As for the Gussett,
just put them under the hingless sheet metal on all of the aileron rib points,
should be fine. You really dont need them if the plane is kept well.
I did not have issues with my aileron eccept it was hit last night by a 9mm bullet.
go figure! right in the corner and went through the wing entirely.
I spoke to the Airport guys and they said mine was not the only one and last
year on new years, a cheetah was shot while landing. Welcome to the Jungle.
Juan
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>From: Sabrina <chicago2paris@msn.com>
>Sent: Jan 1, 2009 1:57 PM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Aileron Rib Gusset Questions
>
>
>Anthony,
>
>>From your photos it looks like you have flex hinge ailerons not piano hinge ailerons,
is this true?
>
>Attached is the Zenith drawing for the installation of the gussets. Does it
match your drawings?
>
>I would contact Zenith before installing the gussets on a flex hinge. It was
the piano hinge aileron design that was having the problems talked about in the
paragraph above the drawings but the drawing shows a flex hinge installation.
>
>This could be a defensive move by Zenith. They can always point to the bulletin
and say "See the drawing" this is what we recommended to be installed on all
601XL, and the service bulletin shows flex hinged ailerons. I don't know.
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=222208#222208
>
>
>Attachments:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com//files/zenith_649.pdf
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron Rib Gusset Questions |
Sabrina and Nathan,
Nathan if you do as your picture shows with the gusset under the "spar cap" and
on top of the rib flange stress points are a non-issue. The CH drawing shows
a flex skin aileron and the advice is to install on the 601. I think it is a worthwhile
addition. I installed them on the external skin on my 601.
As far as the control cables go I believe the KR has pulleys not fairleads. That
makes cable tension easier to set and in straight lines. There is no way an
aircraft should go through an annual without a dtailed inspection of the control
cables including a tension check, binding, jumping a pulley, fraying and etc.
I don't know of an A&P who would skip that.
Al Rupp
An A&P for many years.
601XL
-------------- Original message from "Sabrina" <chicago2paris@msn.com>: --------------
> The problem is that your flex hinge was tested extensively by CH without the
gussets.
> The gussets will create ripples/stress points along the attach line between the
flex hinge portion of the aileron skin and the spar portion of the aileron
skin. The .016 skin will be raised by .025 and then settle back down. The key
to a flex hinge is the smoothness of the hinge. I would contact Zenith and ask
them if the flex hinge aileron with gusset drawing is correct and/or tested.
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron Rib Gusset Questions |
Maybe joggle the ribs to give room for the .025 gusset?
Check with Zenith...
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It is my understanding that the canopy latch system has been changed.--
I have been looking for the DWG that will reflect this new latching system
with no success.--- Does anyone have a DWG number or a DWG that I ma
y see in order to checkout what parts I need to change mine to the newer st
yle latch.
-
Thanks
Gary Bassham
Zodiac CH601XL
(N7601) reserved
S/N-- 6-6203
Millsap, TX=0A=0A=0A
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BE COURTEOUS!
Also see the section below on the Matronics Photo and File Share where
you can have your files and photos posted on the Matronics web server
for long time viewing and availability.
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*** Digest Mode ***
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Each day, starting at 12 midnight PST US, a new 'digest' will be started.
This digest will contain the same information that is currently appended
to the archive file. It has all of the headers except for the "From:"
and "Subject:" lines removed, and includes a message separator consisting
of a line of underscores.
Each day at 23:55 PST US, the day's messages as described above will be
combined and sent as a single message to everyone on the digest email list.
To subscribe to the digest list, use the same subscription web form
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of the List at the same time. This is perfectly acceptable.
Now some caveats:
* Messages sent to "zenith-list-digest" will be forwarded to the standard
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* If you are subscribed to both the regular List and the digest List, you
will receive the realtime postings as well as the digest at the end of
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* If you reply to the digest email, your message will be forwarded to the
normal list associated with the digest. Important Note: Please change
the subject line to reflect the topic of your response! Also, please
*do not include all or most of the digest in your reply*.
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*** List Digest Browser ***
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An archive of all the List Digests can be found online in either plain text
or HTML format. These archives contain the exact Digest that was posted to
the Digest email list on the given day. The Digest Archives can be found
at the following location:
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*** The "DO NOT ARCHIVE" Message Flag ***
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email distribution as normal.
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removed from the List. If you discover that you are no longer receiving
messages from the Zenith-List, go to the following Web page, and look
for your email address and a possible reason for your removal.
The Matronics Email List uses utility called the "Email Weasel" that
automatically looks though the day's bounced email for addresses that
caused problems due to common things like "user is unknown", "mailbox
full", etc. If the Email Weasel removes your email address from the
Lists you will find record of it at the following URL:
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Please forward this information to the following email address:
requests@matronics.com
I have a file of such things, that I typically use to contact you when
there are problems with your email address. The information will NOT
be used for any other commercial purpose.
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*** Realtime Web Email List Browsing ***
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Recent messages posted to the Zenith-List are also made available on
the Web for realtime browsing. Seven days worth of back postings are
available with this feature. The messages can be sorted by Subject,
Author, Date, or Message Thread. The Realtime List Browser indexes are
updated twice per hour at xx:15 and xx:45. You can also reply to a message
or start a new message directly from the List Browser Interface (coming soon).
You do not have to be subscribed to the given list to use the List
Browser Interface in view-mode.
http://www.matronics.com/browselist/zenith-list
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*** Web Forums Bulletin Board Interface ***
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A phpBB BBS web Forums front end is available for all Zenith-List content.
content. The Forums contain all of the same content available via the email
distribution and found on the various archive viewing formats such as the
List Browse, etc. Any posts on the web Forums will be cross posted to the
respective email List, and posts to the Email List will be cross posted to
the web Forums.
You may view all List content on the Forums without any special login.
If you wish to post a message via the Web Forum interface, however, you
will need to Register. This is a simple process that takes only a few
minutes. A link to the Registration page can be found at the top of the
main web Forums page. Note that registering on the Forum web site also
enables you to send email posts to the Lists as well. You will also need to
Subscribe to the respective Email List as described above to receive the
Email Distribution of the List, however.
The Matroincs Email List Web BBS Forums can be found at the following URL:
http://forums.matronics.com
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*** Matronics Email List Wiki ***
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In an attempt to make it easy to store and find structured and often accessed
information, Matronics has installed a Wiki at:
http://wiki.matronics.com
The Wiki allows individuals to create web pages to contain useful information
for other users of the mailing lists and web site. Unlike an ordinary web page
where the content needs to be submitted to Matronics for inclusion, the Wiki
permits the users to construct their own pages and have them visible immediately.
While constructing pages for the Wiki is not difficult, some may not be
comfortable building pages. In that case, simply prepare the text and any
images and email it to:
wiki-support@matronics.com
One of the volunteers on that list will take your submission and construct
a Wiki page for you.
Often someone produces a particularly useful posting in email one one of the
Lists that would be of general interest. In that case Matronics may take that
post and convert it into a Wiki page.
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*** List Archives ***
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A file containing of all of the previous postings to the Zenith-List is
available on line. The archive file information is available via the
Web and FTP in a number of forms. Each are briefly described below:
* Zenith-List.FAQ
- Latest version of the Zenith-List Frequently Asked Question
page (this document).
* Zenith-Archive.digest.complete
- Complete file with most of the email header info removed and
page breaks inserted between messages.
* Zenith-Archive.digest.vol-??
- Same as the file above, but broken up into small sections that
can more easily handled.
* Zenith-Archive.digest.complete.zip
- Same as the Zenith-Archive.digest.complete file above, but
in PKZIP format. Use "binary" data transfer methods.
* Zenith-Archive.digest.complete.Z
- Same as the Zenith-Archive.digest.complete file above, but in
UNIX compress format. Use "binary" data transfer methods.
Download Via FTP
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The archive file is available via anonymous FTP from ftp.matronics.com
in the "/pub/Archives" directory. It is updated daily and can be found in
a number of formats as described above. (All filenames are case sensitive.)
ftp://ftp.matronics.com/pub/Archives
Download Via Web
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The archives are also available via a web listing. These can be found
toward the bottom of the following web page:
http://www.matronics.com/archives
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*** Complete List Web Archive Browsing ***
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All messages posted to the Zenith-List are also available using the
Email List Archive Browsing feature. With this utility, all messages
in the List are indexed, and individual sub-archives can be browsed.
http://www.matronics.com/archive/archive-index.cgi?Zenith
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**** High-Speed Archive Search Engine ***
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You can use the custom, high-performance Matronics Email List Search Engine
to quickly locate and browse any messages that have been posted to the
List. The Engine allows the user to easily search any of the currently
available List archives.
http://www.matronics.com/search
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*** File and Photo Share ***
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With the Matronics Email List File and Photo Share you can share pictures
and other data with members of the List without having to forward a
copy of it to everyone. To share your Files and Photos, simply email
them to:
pictures@matronics.com
!! ==> Please including the following information with each submission:
1) Email Lists that they are related to.
2) Your Full Name.
3) Your Email Address.
4) One line Subject description.
5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic.
6-x) One-line Description of each photo or file
Prior to public availability of the files and photos, each will be scanned
for viruses. Please also note that the process of making the files and
photos available on the web site is a pseudo-manual process, and I try to
process them every few days.
Following the availability of the new Photoshare, an email message will be
sent to the Email Lists enumerated in 1) above indicating that the new
Share is available and what the direct URL to it is.
For a current list of available Photoshares, have a look at the Main
Index Page:
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
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*** List Archive CDROM ***
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A complete Matronics Email List Archive CD is available that contains
all of the archives since the beginning of each of the Lists. The archives
for all of the Lists are included on the CD along with a freeware search
engine written by a list member. The CD is burned the day you order it
and will contain archive received up to the last minute. They make
great gifts!
http://www.matronics.com/ArchiveCDROM
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Zenith-List Usage Guidelines
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Zenith-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the Zenith-List in the manner described below may result
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- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
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| Subject: | Official Zenith-List Usage Guidelines |
Dear Listers,
Please read over the Zenith-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
Zenith-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Zenith-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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Zenith-List Usage Guidelines
******************************************************************************
The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Zenith-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the Zenith-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
Zenith-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the Zenith-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occasional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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