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1. 09:42 AM - Re: Re: Aileron Rib Gusset Questions. (Gary Gower)
2. 10:07 AM - Re: Re: Aileron Rib Gusset Questions. (jaybannist@cs.com)
3. 10:07 AM - Aileron Trim Tab Lessons Learned Request (nosky2high)
4. 10:33 AM - Re: Re: Aileron Rib Gusset Questions. (Gary Gower)
5. 10:51 AM - Re: Aileron Rib Gusset Questions. (Sabrina)
6. 11:33 AM - Re: Re: Aileron Rib Gusset Questions. (jaybannist@cs.com)
7. 11:47 AM - Re: 601xl (Bob Fulmer)
8. 12:22 PM - Re: Aileron Rib Gusset Questions. (Sabrina)
9. 02:03 PM - Re: Aileron Rib Gusset Questions. (sdthatcher)
10. 02:08 PM - Re: Aileron Trim Tab Lessons Learned Request (sdthatcher)
11. 02:37 PM - Re: Aileron Trim Tab Lessons Learned Request (nosky2high)
12. 03:35 PM - Re: Re: Aileron Trim Tab Lessons Learned Request (Terry Phillips)
13. 03:40 PM - Re: Re: Aileron Trim Tab Lessons Learned Request (jaybannist@cs.com)
14. 04:08 PM - Re: Re: Aileron Rib Gusset Questions. (Juan Vega)
15. 06:44 PM - Re: Aileron Trim Tab Lessons Learned Request (nosky2high)
16. 07:03 PM - Re: Aileron Trim Tab Lessons Learned Request (Ron Lendon)
17. 07:10 PM - Any issues with ZAC on getting parts they failed to ship? (Leo Gates)
18. 07:35 PM - Molex crimping (Bill Naumuk)
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron Rib Gusset Questions. |
Hello Ron,
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I dont think that drilling out a few rivets is a big deal,- is part of th
e "fun" of learning to build our airplanes...- :-)---
Also, this mod is a easy one, I dont see any reason why not to install them
.-- I sure would see the way to install them,-up tp the point if I ha
d my airplane already flying.-
Fortunate we are starting to assemble the wings.
-
Saludos
Gary Gower
Flying from Chapala, Mexico.
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--- On Fri, 1/2/09, Ronald Steele <rsteele@rjsit.com> wrote:
From: Ronald Steele <rsteele@rjsit.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Aileron Rib Gusset Questions
The 650 plans are more-or-less like the 601 plans. The drawings show the
hingeless version, with the hinged in the back on an "options" page.
Gussets are shown on both pages. The hingeless are attached to the rear sp
ar
with A5/pitch 40 with A5/pitch 20 at the inboard end.
I'd have to scan the drawings to post an image. Since Jon is going to
include them in the news letter, hopefully folks can wait.
My ailerons have have been build for months. I don't think I'll be
drilling out the rivets to add the gussets. Also, someone mentioned a conc
ern
about the thickness of the gusset offsetting the skin (true enough) but thi
s is
not addressed in the drawings, so presumably it's not considered a problem.
Ron
On Jan 2, 2009, at 3:32 PM, Sabrina wrote:
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> Could you post the PH aileron gusset drawing?
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron Rib Gusset Questions. |
Hey gang,
Keep in mind the purpose of this gusset modification.? It is to safeguard ailerons
when the airplane is tied down outside and no control stops are used.? If
at any time your airplane is parked outside and you use control stops, this modification
is unnecessary.
Jay in Dallas
-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
Sent: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 11:41 am
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Aileron Rib Gusset Questions.
Hello Ron,
?
I dont think that drilling out a few rivets is a big deal,? is part of the "fun"
of learning to build our airplanes...? :-)???
Also, this mod is a easy one, I dont see any reason why not to install them.??
I sure would see the way to install them,?up tp the point if I had my airplane
already flying.?
Fortunate we are starting to assemble the wings.
?
Saludos
Gary Gower
Flying from Chapala, Mexico.
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--- On Fri, 1/2/09, Ronald Steele <rsteele@rjsit.com> wrote:
From: Ronald Steele <rsteele@rjsit.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Aileron Rib Gusset Questions
The 650 plans are more-or-less like the 601 plans. The drawings show the
hingeless version, with the hinged in the back on an "options" page.
Gussets are shown on both pages. The hingeless are attached to the rear spar
with A5/pitch 40 with A5/pitch 20 at the inboard end.
I'd have to scan the drawings to post an image. Since Jon is going to
include them in the news letter, hopefully folks can wait.
My ailerons have have been build for months. I don't think I'll be
drilling out the rivets to add the gussets. Also, someone mentioned a concern
about the thickness of the gusset offsetting the skin (true enough) but this is
not addressed in the drawings, so presumably it's not considered a problem.
Ron
On Jan 2, 2009, at 3:32 PM, Sabrina wrote:
<chicago2paris@msn.com>
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> Ron,
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> Do the 650 plans show the gussets on both the PH and flex hinge ailerons?
>
> Could you post the PH aileron gusset drawing?
>
> Did Zenith push any particular aileron type when you purchased your
kit/plans?
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> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=222425#222425
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| Subject: | Aileron Trim Tab Lessons Learned Request |
It's the "new guy" again,
In the middle of measuring out the cutouts for the aileron trim tab. There are
no directions to go by, just the plans for the option. Having assembled the
elevator trim tab, is the aileron install basically the same operation?
Requesting any lessons learned out there, I read the past posts about the 25deg
up and down issue. Any others?
Best Regards,
Anthony
--------
Anthony Hanson
Ft.Bragg, NC
Kiowa Warrior Pilot
Building ZenVair650 from Nov'08 ZAC 650 kit, tail 95%, Flaps Done, Working on Ailerons,
Engine test ran.
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron Rib Gusset Questions. |
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Do not archive.
--- On Sat, 1/3/09, jaybannist@cs.com <jaybannist@cs.com> wrote:
From: jaybannist@cs.com <jaybannist@cs.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Aileron Rib Gusset Questions.
Hey gang,
Keep in mind the purpose of this gusset modification.- It is to safeguard
ailerons when the airplane is tied down outside and no control stops are u
sed.- If at any time your airplane is parked outside and you use control
stops, this modification is unnecessary.
Jay in Dallas
-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
Sent: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 11:41 am
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Aileron Rib Gusset Questions.
Hello Ron,
-
I dont think that drilling out a few rivets is a big deal,- is part of th
e "fun" of learning to build our airplanes...- :-)---
Also, this mod is a easy one, I dont see any reason why not to install them
.-- I sure would see the way to install them,-up tp the point if I ha
d my airplane already flying.-
Fortunate we are starting to assemble the wings.
-
Saludos
Gary Gower
Flying from Chapala, Mexico.
-
--- On Fri, 1/2/09, Ronald Steele <rsteele@rjsit.com> wrote:
From: Ronald Steele <rsteele@rjsit.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Aileron Rib Gusset Questions
The 650 plans are more-or-less like the 601 plans. The drawings show the
hingeless version, with the hinged in the back on an "options" page.
Gussets are shown on both pages. The hingeless are attached to the rear sp
ar
with A5/pitch 40 with A5/pitch 20 at the inboard end.
I'd have to scan the drawings to post an image. Since Jon is going to
include them in the news letter, hopefully folks can wait.
My ailerons have have been build for months. I don't think I'll be
drilling out the rivets to add the gussets. Also, someone mentioned a conc
ern
about the thickness of the gusset offsetting the skin (true enough) but thi
s is
not addressed in the drawings, so presumably it's not considered a problem.
Ron
On Jan 2, 2009, at 3:32 PM, Sabrina wrote:
<chicago2paris@msn.com>
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> Ron,
>
> Do the 650 plans show the gussets on both the PH and flex hinge ailerons?
>
> Could you post the PH aileron gusset drawing?
>
> Did Zenith push any particular aileron type when you purchased your
kit/plans?
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> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=222425#222425
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron Rib Gusset Questions. |
Jay,
Both Alex and mine flexed in flight, they were PH. The bulletin only "presumes"
that the cause is ground tie down without gust locks with gusting conditions
from the rear or side. Neither of ours were flexed this way. I don't know
of a single flex hinge that kinked when left outside.
If you are correct and the flex hinge bulletin showing retro fitting of the gussets
are required for tie down outside conditions only, tell me how those gussets
will prevent the flex hinge from kinking? They do not reinforce the portion
that kinks on a flex hinge (they do on a PH.)
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron Rib Gusset Questions. |
Sabrina,
Sorry, but you are jumping on the wrong guy.? I can't respond, 'cause I didn't
design or issue the change.? I am not "presuming" anything. I am merely repeating
what I have read.
Jay
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From: Sabrina <chicago2paris@msn.com>
Sent: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 12:50 pm
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Aileron Rib Gusset Questions.
Jay,
Both Alex and mine flexed in flight, they were PH. The bulletin only
"presumes" that the cause is ground tie down without gust locks with gusting
conditions from the rear or side. Neither of ours were flexed this way. I
don't know of a single flex hinge that kinked when left outside.
If you are correct and the flex hinge bulletin showing retro fitting of the
gussets are required for tie down outside conditions only, tell me how those
gussets will prevent the flex hinge from kinking? They do not reinforce the
portion that kinks on a flex hinge (they do on a PH.)
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=222612#222612
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Hi Darrel:
Sorry to hear you're stopping your build.
If, indeed, you are firm on this decision and are set on selling your
components I would very much like to buy the Control Kit - offered at
695 - should you choose to split up the package and/or not get a buyer
for all of it together. I'm a plans builder and welding thin wall tubes
are not my "long suit".
Please advise when you make up your mind on this issue.
Regards
Bob Fulmer
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From: Darrell Haas
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 6:15 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: 601xl
The weather out west here has given a lot of builder time however, I
unfortunately, need to postpone my building days and put my kit
components for sale.
Here is the list of things that I have:
Zenith Price My
price
Fuselage kit -
$4725.00 3550.00
Dual stick control option kit -
$485.00 360.00
Tail kit
$1495.00 minus $375 for rudder 840.00
Control kit
$925.00 695.00
Zenith charged for Crating and handling
$345.00 Free
Drawings and Manual + Cd's
395.00 290.00
Metalworking with rudder workshop DVD
49.00 Free ________
Building your Zenith Fuselage Part 1 and 2 DVD
49.00 Free
total $8,468.00 Total 5735.00
This price does not consider Zenith's handling and crating cost. Buyer
will need to be responsible for shipping but I will crate up and deliver
to your shipper for free.I would prefer to sell it all as one package
and not split up the kits.
Thank you,
Darrell Haas
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron Rib Gusset Questions. |
I may be the only one of the list now who has not flown their aircraft, yet sends
others into the air after a fatal crash. It is one thing to put yourself in
a craft, another to put someone else. The past year has been more than I bargained
for, but very educational.
The more I learn about the 601XL the more I find out that countless modification
were made. Some from CZAW, some form CH.
I recently approached Zenith for a new set of flex ailerons. I was quoted over
$300. I did not see the new gussets included in the quote.
I can't imagine how the flex hinge benefits from the new gussets. In fact, if
installed incorrectly, could shorten the life of the flex hinge.
The piano hinge gusset is another story. I designed my gussets in Q1 2008. Zenith
later made a similar change but did not swap out the inboard aft aileron
A4 attach rivets with AS5 rivets.
We should all have two extra AS5s laying around.
The flexing of the piano hinge aileron as described in the Zenair bulletin, whether
it be on the ground or in flight, can put great tension on the inboard aft
attach A4 rivet. If that rivet fails in tension in flight, the others are at
risk. It is very easy to translate 100+ pounds of force through the stick to
the aileron without flutter playing a part. I suspect that some of the fatal
crashes may have started with the control stick: The flying and/or control surface
being flown or forced off the aircraft with control stick input.
Although many don't want to open their ailerons up for installation of the gussets,
what harm could installing a single AS5 at the inboard aft attach point on
each piano hinge aileron do?
What benefits do you see?
What is the rated strength of an A4 in shear and tension? Plus or minus what?
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron Rib Gusset Questions. |
Hi Sabrina,
Do you feel that because of the relative stiffness of the FH over the PH, that
is the reason for not adding the gussets to the FH design? I'm asking since I
have the FH.
I had my 601XL tied down overnight in Ocala last October, and after getting back
in the air en route to NC, I noticed that there was considerable slack in the
aileron cables. (I did not use any gust locks even though it was very gusty).
Also, the line people had tied down the 601 using considerable force to keep
it from moving in the gusts. Do you think there might be any relationship between
gust loads on the aileron & tie down loads that could result in possible
slackening of cables?
BTW, saw your website and your aircraft is beautiful! I hope those 40 hours are
being flown off quickly so you can get in the air... or do you have a different
set of rules since it is a manufactured aircraft from your company?
Sabrina wrote:
> I may be the only one of the list now who has not flown their aircraft, yet sends
others into the air after a fatal crash. It is one thing to put yourself
in a craft, another to put someone else. The past year has been more than I
bargained for, but very educational.
>
> The more I learn about the 601XL the more I find out that countless modification
were made. Some from CZAW, some form CH.
>
> I recently approached Zenith for a new set of flex ailerons. I was quoted over
$300. I did not see the new gussets included in the quote.
>
> I can't imagine how the flex hinge benefits from the new gussets. In fact,
if installed incorrectly, could shorten the life of the flex hinge.
>
> The piano hinge gusset is another story. I designed my gussets in Q1 2008.
Zenith later made a similar change but did not swap out the inboard aft aileron
A4 attach rivets with AS5 rivets.
>
> We should all have two extra AS5s laying around.
>
> The flexing of the piano hinge aileron as described in the Zenair bulletin, whether
it be on the ground or in flight, can put great tension on the inboard
aft attach A4 rivet. If that rivet fails in tension in flight, the others are
at risk. It is very easy to translate 100+ pounds of force through the stick
to the aileron without flutter playing a part. I suspect that some of the fatal
crashes may have started with the control stick: The flying and/or control
surface being flown or forced off the aircraft with control stick input.
>
> Although many don't want to open their ailerons up for installation of the gussets,
what harm could installing a single AS5 at the inboard aft attach point
on each piano hinge aileron do?
>
> What benefits do you see?
>
> What is the rated strength of an A4 in shear and tension? Plus or minus what?
--------
Scott Thatcher, Palm Beach Gardens, FL
601XL with Corvair, Registered as E-LSA
N601EL, EAA203 25 hours and climbing.
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron Trim Tab Lessons Learned Request |
Hi Anthony,
>From another ZenVair owner, I felt it was about the same procedure for the aileron
as the elevator. Gus Warren said that I should place a stiffener adjacent
to the motor to keep the aileron from flexing, but it's much easier to do when
building than after it's built.
Gus, if you're on the list, can you elaborate?
nosky2high wrote:
> It's the "new guy" again,
>
> In the middle of measuring out the cutouts for the aileron trim tab. There are
no directions to go by, just the plans for the option. Having assembled the
elevator trim tab, is the aileron install basically the same operation?
>
> Requesting any lessons learned out there, I read the past posts about the 25deg
up and down issue. Any others?
>
> Best Regards,
> Anthony
--------
Scott Thatcher, Palm Beach Gardens, FL
601XL with Corvair, Registered as E-LSA
N601EL, EAA203 25 hours and climbing.
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron Trim Tab Lessons Learned Request |
The plans don't appear to be completely accurate, if you cut out the access panel
hole as per the plans dimensions the cover plate will extend over the aileron
spar bottom edge. I just shifted the access hole farther away from the spar
by about 10mm farther than the plans called for. Too chicken to cut the metal
though until I'm sure.
Regarding the additional angle to support the trim motor, I'm not picturing the
placement, requesting some further guidance on that. Will hold off all the cutting
until I can get clarification.
On to the wings.
Anthony
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Anthony Hanson
Ft.Bragg, NC
Kiowa Warrior Pilot
Building ZenVair650 from Nov'08 ZAC 650 kit, tail 95%, Flaps Done, Working on Ailerons,
Engine test ran.
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron Trim Tab Lessons Learned Request |
Anthony
You are right about the plans. The access hole is shown too close to the
front edge of the aileron. If you put it there, there are conflicts, but I
cannot recall the details. Your 10-mm sounds about right. I wouldn't shift
the servo, just the access hole.
Regarding the stiffeners, Mirko suggested them a while back. My
understanding is for something like I've shown in the attached sketch,
probably attached with A4's. The flanges of the angles fit underneath the
servo. I plan to retrofit stiffeners eventually. I will probably cut the
web on the angles (i.e., the vertical side) to 1/2 or 1/3 the standard
width to lighten them. I believe that would be adequate.
Terry
At 02:35 PM 1/3/2009 -0800, you wrote:
>The plans don't appear to be completely accurate, if you cut out the
>access panel hole as per the plans dimensions the cover plate will extend
>over the aileron spar bottom edge. I just shifted the access hole farther
>away from the spar by about 10mm farther than the plans called for. Too
>chicken to cut the metal though until I'm sure.
>
>Regarding the additional angle to support the trim motor, I'm not
>picturing the placement, requesting some further guidance on that. Will
>hold off all the cutting until I can get clarification.
>
>On to the wings.
>
>Anthony
>
>--------
>Anthony Hanson
Terry Phillips ZBAGer
ttp44~at~rkymtn.net
Corvallis MT
601XL/Jab 3300 s .. l .. o .. o .. w build kit - Tail, flaps, & ailerons
are done; working on the wings
http://www.mykitlog.com/N47TP/
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron Trim Tab Lessons Learned Request |
Anthony,
Be aware that there are left hand and right hand servos.? The ones that ZAC furnishes
doesn't always agree with the drawings.? This can be very confusing since
you are doing the mounting layout upside down.? Mine were opposite hand from
what was shown on the drawings and I didn't figure it out until I had cut the
access hole.? I had to cut an oversize hole and make a larger cover plate.
Jay in Dallas
-----Original Message-----
From: nosky2high <nosky2high@yahoo.com>
Sent: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 4:35 pm
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Aileron Trim Tab Lessons Learned Request
The plans don't appear to be completely accurate, if you cut out the access
panel hole as per the plans dimensions the cover plate will extend over the
aileron spar bottom edge. I just shifted the access hole farther away from the
spar by about 10mm farther than the plans called for. Too chicken to cut the
metal though until I'm sure.
Regarding the additional angle to support the trim motor, I'm not picturing the
placement, requesting some further guidance on that. Will hold off all the
cutting until I can get clarification.
On to the wings.
Anthony
--------
Anthony Hanson
Ft.Bragg, NC
Kiowa Warrior Pilot
Building ZenVair650 from Nov'08 ZAC 650 kit, tail 95%, Flaps Done, Working on
Ailerons, Engine test ran.
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron Rib Gusset Questions. |
thatcher;
the cables are loose because they do loosen over time thus needing retensioning,
say ever 100 hrs. Also you can tie down the plane as hard as you like. blowing
around will be worse since it will jerk hard in a gust. the gust and tie
down or dispositive of each other.
Juan
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>From: sdthatcher <s_thatcher@bellsouth.net>
>Sent: Jan 3, 2009 4:59 PM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Aileron Rib Gusset Questions.
>
>
>Hi Sabrina,
>
>Do you feel that because of the relative stiffness of the FH over the PH, that
is the reason for not adding the gussets to the FH design? I'm asking since
I have the FH.
>
>I had my 601XL tied down overnight in Ocala last October, and after getting back
in the air en route to NC, I noticed that there was considerable slack in the
aileron cables. (I did not use any gust locks even though it was very gusty).
Also, the line people had tied down the 601 using considerable force to keep
it from moving in the gusts. Do you think there might be any relationship between
gust loads on the aileron & tie down loads that could result in possible
slackening of cables?
>
>BTW, saw your website and your aircraft is beautiful! I hope those 40 hours are
being flown off quickly so you can get in the air... or do you have a different
set of rules since it is a manufactured aircraft from your company?
>
>
>Sabrina wrote:
>> I may be the only one of the list now who has not flown their aircraft, yet
sends others into the air after a fatal crash. It is one thing to put yourself
in a craft, another to put someone else. The past year has been more than
I bargained for, but very educational.
>>
>> The more I learn about the 601XL the more I find out that countless modification
were made. Some from CZAW, some form CH.
>>
>> I recently approached Zenith for a new set of flex ailerons. I was quoted over
$300. I did not see the new gussets included in the quote.
>>
>> I can't imagine how the flex hinge benefits from the new gussets. In fact,
if installed incorrectly, could shorten the life of the flex hinge.
>>
>> The piano hinge gusset is another story. I designed my gussets in Q1 2008.
Zenith later made a similar change but did not swap out the inboard aft aileron
A4 attach rivets with AS5 rivets.
>>
>> We should all have two extra AS5s laying around.
>>
>> The flexing of the piano hinge aileron as described in the Zenair bulletin,
whether it be on the ground or in flight, can put great tension on the inboard
aft attach A4 rivet. If that rivet fails in tension in flight, the others are
at risk. It is very easy to translate 100+ pounds of force through the stick
to the aileron without flutter playing a part. I suspect that some of the fatal
crashes may have started with the control stick: The flying and/or control
surface being flown or forced off the aircraft with control stick input.
>>
>> Although many don't want to open their ailerons up for installation of the gussets,
what harm could installing a single AS5 at the inboard aft attach point
on each piano hinge aileron do?
>>
>> What benefits do you see?
>>
>> What is the rated strength of an A4 in shear and tension? Plus or minus what?
>
>
>--------
>Scott Thatcher, Palm Beach Gardens, FL
>601XL with Corvair, Registered as E-LSA
>N601EL, EAA203 25 hours and climbing.
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=222651#222651
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron Trim Tab Lessons Learned Request |
Looks like I'm going to start over from the Tab cutout measurements, then from
the center measure the rod distance to get the location of the servo. From there
locate the L angle braces, then once the servo is set, cut the access panel
in the bottom.
Question for the long term maintainers out there, is there a "best" side of the
servo to put the access hole? over the clevis, over the wires, or just basically
centered over the servo itself? seems that perhaps it would be advantageous
to cheat the access over the side of the clevis and the wiring for easier
clevis adjustments and any wiring issues.
Had a big bummer today, only got one 12' rear spar, how in the h&^K did they forget
that? I inventoried everything else upon delivery focusing on the smaller
parts mainly and just couldn't imagine that they'd forget the second rear spar
so I didn't cut the packing paper off until today.
Any issues with ZAC on getting parts they failed to ship?
Blue Skies,
Anthony
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Anthony Hanson
Ft.Bragg, NC
Kiowa Warrior Pilot
Building ZenVair650 from Nov'08 ZAC 650 kit, tail 95%, Flaps Done, Working on Ailerons,
Engine test ran.
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron Trim Tab Lessons Learned Request |
nosky2high wrote:
> It's the "new guy" again,
>
> In the middle of measuring out the cutouts for the aileron trim tab. There are
no directions to go by, just the plans for the option. Having assembled the
elevator trim tab, is the aileron install basically the same operation?
>
> Requesting any lessons learned out there, I read the past posts about the 25deg
up and down issue. Any others?
>
> Best Regards,
> Anthony
Capt'nPurple,
I don't know if this helps, but here is what I did when I scratch built mine.
http://mykitlog.com/users/display_log.php?user=rlendon&project=113&category=1683&log=19488&row=407
--------
Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI
WW Corvair with Roy's Garage 5th bearing
Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-)
http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon
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| Subject: | Any issues with ZAC on getting parts they failed to ship? |
I was short two parts. ZAC promptly shipped both - no charge.
Leo Gates
N601Z
Had a big bummer today, only got one 12' rear spar, how in the h&^K
did they forget that?
Any issues with ZAC on getting parts they failed to ship?
Blue Skies,
Anthony
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All-
My Icom A200 has a main connector with dozens of Molex connectors
that have to be crimped. I think the crimps can be done with those
provided in a standard wire stripper, then soldered. True/False?
Bill Naumuk
Townville, Pa.
HDS 601MG/Corvair 95%
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| Subject: | Re: Molex crimping |
Bill,
Yes, Molex pins can be crimped by hand and then soldered, however there is a
special tool for the purpose that "folds" the ears down first on the wire and
then a second crimp to secure the wire. When using the tool no soldering is
necessary. It is preferable from a fatigue standpoint to install the pins
without soldering.
Steve CH701
Steven Bornstein
475 E. North Broadway
Columbus, Ohio 43214
614 263-5819
In a message dated 1/3/2009 10:35:54 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
naumuk@alltel.net writes:
All-
My Icom A200 has a main connector with dozens of Molex connectors that
have to be crimped. I think the crimps can be done with those provided in a
standard wire stripper, then soldered. True/False?
Bill Naumuk
Townville, Pa.
HDS 601MG/Corvair 95%
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| Subject: | Re: Molex crimping |
Hi Bill,
It is considered better to crimp the connectors with the appropriate
tool rather than soldering them. While solder will, indeed, hold the
wires in place there are issues with vibration and wire breakage.
My advice to you is to spring for the crimper and do it right. You
can locate the appropriate crimper at most electronics distributors
or by looking at the Molex web site.
Paul
XL getting close
At 07:34 PM 1/3/2009, you wrote:
>All-
> My Icom A200 has a main connector with dozens of Molex
> connectors that have to be crimped. I think the crimps can be done
> with those provided in a standard wire stripper, then soldered. True/False?
>Bill Naumuk
>Townville, Pa.
>HDS 601MG/Corvair 95%
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Molex crimping |
Hey Bill,
-
Don't know what you mean by "standard wire stripper" but don't use the type
of wire crimper you find at the local auto parts store.- also, don't sol
der and crimp.- Get a good set of crimpers from someplace that knows avia
tion systems such at B & C Specialty.- Here's their website. http://www.b
andcspecialty.com/- It'll make the job much easier and give you tremendou
s peace of mind.
Bill Pagan
EAA Tech Counselor #4395
601XL QBK/Corvair/N565BW (RES)
--- On Sat, 1/3/09, Bill Naumuk <naumuk@alltel.net> wrote:
From: Bill Naumuk <naumuk@alltel.net>
Subject: Zenith-List: Molex crimping
All-
--- My Icom A200 has a main connector with dozens of Molex connectors
that have to be crimped. I think the crimps can be done with those provide
d-in a standard wire stripper, then soldered.-True/False?
Bill Naumuk
Townville, Pa.
HDS 601MG/Corvair 95%
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Bill,
Try this site:
http://www.aeroelectric.com/articles/matenlok/matenlok.html
Someone has already sent you to B&C for the tool.
Jerry
On Sat, Jan 3, 2009 at 9:23 PM , Bill Naumuk wrote:
> All-
> My Icom A200 has a main connector with dozens of Molex connectors
> that have to be crimped. I think the crimps can be done with those
> provided in a standard wire stripper, then soldered. True/False?
> Bill Naumuk
> Townville, Pa.
> HDS 601MG/Corvair 95%
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| Subject: | Re: Molex crimping (Link to Tool) |
Link to Molex tool:
ArcticMOD Molex & ATX Pin Crimping Tool at ArcticMOD.com
Steven Bornstein
475 E. North Broadway
Columbus, Ohio 43214
614 263-5819
In a message dated 1/3/2009 11:16:58 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
pdn8r@yahoo.com writes:
Hey Bill,
Don't know what you mean by "standard wire stripper" but don't use the type
of wire crimper you find at the local auto parts store. also, don't solder
and crimp. Get a good set of crimpers from someplace that knows aviation
systems such at B & C Specialty. Here's their website.
_http://www.bandcspecialty.com/_ (http://www.bandcspecialty.com/) It'll make the job much easier and
give you tremendous peace of mind.
Bill Pagan
EAA Tech Counselor #4395
601XL QBK/Corvair/N565BW (RES)
--- On Sat, 1/3/09, Bill Naumuk <naumuk@alltel.net> wrote:
From: Bill Naumuk <naumuk@alltel.net>
Subject: Zenith-List: Molex crimping
All-
My Icom A200 has a main connector with dozens of Molex connectors that
have to be crimped. I think the crimps can be done with those provided in a
standard wire stripper, then soldered. True/False?
Bill Naumuk
Townville, Pa.
HDS 601MG/Corvair 95%
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| Subject: | Wahoo! Touch & Go's |
Last weekend the sun came out and the Nebraska winds died down so I went out to
my hangar in Wahoo, Nebraska to log some time in my 601XL. I didn't really have
anywhere to go so I did a bunch of landings and pattern-flying. Here is a
video I made that I hope will encourage a builder or two to keep building:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4a-hdE1SGc
I miss building but this flying is a hoot.
Scott Laughlin
601XL/Corvair
Finished & Flying
120 hours
http://www.cooknwithgas.com/
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| Subject: | Wahoo! Touch & Go's |
Hey Scott - watch out, PacMan is about to eat your runway:
http://tinyurl.com/99fhq4
-- Craig
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of cookwithgas
Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 9:53 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Wahoo! Touch & Go's
Last weekend the sun came out and the Nebraska winds died down so I went out
to my hangar in Wahoo, Nebraska to log some time in my 601XL. I didn't
really have anywhere to go so I did a bunch of landings and pattern-flying.
Here is a video I made that I hope will encourage a builder or two to keep
building:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4a-hdE1SGc
I miss building but this flying is a hoot.
Scott Laughlin
601XL/Corvair
Finished & Flying
120 hours
http://www.cooknwithgas.com/
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