---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 01/04/09: 17 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:39 AM - Re: Aileron Trim Tab Lessons Learned Request (Iberplanes IGL) 2. 08:09 AM - Re: Molex crimping (LarryMcFarland) 3. 09:32 AM - Re: Molex crimping (Bill Naumuk) 4. 10:25 AM - Engine Cooling (BobbyPaulk@comcast.net) 5. 10:49 AM - Re: Engine Cooling (Elden Jacobson) 6. 11:10 AM - Elevator bias spring (jaybannist@cs.com) 7. 11:52 AM - Re: Molex crimping (LarryMcFarland) 8. 11:58 AM - Re: Self Leveling Laser Awesome Time Saver (Ron Lendon) 9. 12:04 PM - Re: Self Leveling Laser Awesome Time Saver (Fly with Gus) 10. 12:08 PM - Re: Elevator bias spring (Sabrina) 11. 01:39 PM - William Wynne Parts for sale (Afterfxllc@aol.com) 12. 02:29 PM - Re: Aileron Trim Tab Lessons Learned Request (nosky2high) 13. 03:25 PM - Re: Re: Aileron Rib Gusset Questions (Ronald Steele) 14. 03:41 PM - Canopy / Rail Flush to Fusealge side (4RCSIMMONS@comcast.net (Rich Simmons)) 15. 04:05 PM - Re: Molex crimping (Bryan Martin) 16. 04:21 PM - Re: Aileron Trim Tab Lessons Learned Request (Ron Lendon) 17. 06:17 PM - Re: Molex crimping (Bill Naumuk) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:39:01 AM PST US From: "Iberplanes IGL" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Aileron Trim Tab Lessons Learned Request Hello Anthony,. I=B4m in the same part as you are, I guess you=B4re right, installation sh ould be like the aileron trim tab. I=B4ve bought an Olpha knife and I expect to cut the aluminum as shown on the homebuilthelp videos. Bye, Alberto Martin www.iberplanes.es Igualada - Barcelona - Spain ---------------------------------------------- Zodiac 601 XL Builder Serial: 6-7011 Tail Kit: Finished Wings: Not Started Fuselage: Ordered Engine: Jabiru 3300 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:09:55 AM PST US From: LarryMcFarland Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Molex crimping Bill, I had problems with soldered connectors in my A200 and after a protracted effort, a repairman had to crimp the pieces to get the good contact that was needed. *June 6* After a search of the Matronics page, the Aero Electric connection, a comment on poor contact between the edge connector and pins used on the ICOM A200 was found. I went to the airport and wiggled each individual wire and found the M and 11 power input wires adjacent to each other would cause erratic variation in volume. The radio was removed and then the two pins were carefully removed. The tabs were spread and the pins were carefully reinserted. Then the volume had to be lowered on traffic reporting at a 100 miles out even with the hanger door still down. Wiggling the wires still cause the signal to vary considerably, but the problem is identified and now only requires a solution. Molex edge card connector p/n 09-50-6155 and pins p/n 08-03-0303 will be ordered from Mouser Electronics tomorrow by phone. Thanks again to the Matronics subscribers. *June 7* Pins and connector were ordered from Mouser and my insurance was bound with AIG shortly after. A 3-piece set of 6-ft static-ground wires with gator ends was made to allow refueling on a regular gas basis. The Illinois Department of Aeronautics Registry was called and forms were requested to get the airplane sticker needed to show compliance with the state user tax. Out at the hangar, the radio was again pulled and pins were adjusted outward with better results, but 30 new pins and connector pre-wired and glued in place may be in order. There's just too much play in pin position with the radio in to fly without fixing this. Tomorrow, Tim will take a look and hopefully adjust the side tone and possibly offer suggestions. *June 8* On this semi-rainy morning the aircraft was open and accessible at 9:00 a.m. Tim arrived and after checking out the contacts, wires and intercom, he soon resolved that the radio problems are with my connector, some incorrect shielding and the manner in which I soldered the pins. He removed two screws holding the connector using a foot long screwdriver and pushed it out from the inside to gain more direct access to pins while remaining connected. He determined another less abused connector was needed. I closed the hangar, had lunch with the guys at the Lucky 8 and visited Warren electric without success. Then I called ICOM parts and was able to order one in stock from them. Now we wait for one in the mail from ICOM and one backordered from Mouser Electronics to see which gets here first. Thirty pins are already on their way from Mouser. *June 9* It rained on and off today. The ground wires that FAA inspector wanted tie-tied off were finally secured. A standard oil filler neck from my spare EA-81 was compared to the customized Stratus design. One could conclude that the filler should be turned toward the other side proximate to the dipstick so that the access door would suffice for both checking and adding oil. It doesn't seem it would be a lot of work to remake the tube to get it there. Tim was unable to get the external snap ring off the 90-degree coax fitting inside the radio case, so I made a tool for reaching it like Tim's so it might be out before we resume. *June 14* With thunder and rain this morning, the hangar door was opened and there was enough light to remove the new oil filler tube and reassemble it with a proper amount of gasket sealer. The short 40-degree off angle 6mm Allen wrench was cut to 5/8" and the other end was bent as well as twisted by the width of one flat. This made it possible to tighten the nearly inaccessible bolt in short increments alternating ends. Tim arrived after noon and began cutting wires from the old connector and putting proper crimps to new pins and snapping each in place one by one into the new connector. I was humbled as I watched him crimp the pins so perfectly. I had incorrectly assumed they could be crimped and soldered, but they just don't fit well in the connector as a soldered pin. Within an hour or more, the radio was slid in and a radio check to ground control was very clear both ways in both headsets. Later in the evening, Lee and I visited the hangar to add a little insulating tape and some tie-ties to secure things again and the radio work was finally done. What a hassle! Recommend you crimp the pieces, not solder. Also, do this prior to installation of the connector and support tray. Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com Bill Naumuk wrote: > All- > My Icom A200 has a main connector with dozens of Molex connectors > that have to be crimped. I think the crimps can be done with those > provided in a standard wire stripper, then soldered. True/False? > Bill Naumuk > Townville, Pa. > HDS 601MG/Corvair 95% > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:32:45 AM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Molex crimping Larry- Three questions- 1. What crimper finally worked? 2. "Prior to installation of the connector and support tray". I was planning on "Nailing down" the tray after the BNC antenna connection had been installed. How does the pre-installation of the Molex connector to the tray have an effect? 3. I thought you had a Becker com. Attached is a picture my brother and I found over Christmas of my dad at the end of WWII. What is the twin behind him? NO FAIR LOOKING IT UP!! Bill do not archive ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:25:30 AM PST US From: BobbyPaulk@comcast.net Subject: Zenith-List: Engine Cooling List, many thanks to "Jeff" for the photos and directions for the dams in the Ram Air Cooling Ducts.( Jabiru 3300 ) i installed the dams on the 2 rear cylinders with only 1/8" clearance above the fins including the steel fins on the cylinder.i also continued thru the gap in the spark plugs to the outside edge of the duct. the temperature dropped from 335 ~ 340 to 265. UNBELIEVABLE. that is a 75 deg. drop. i was starting out with the dams too small. you can learn a lot from this list if you go with the ones that know. thanks again. bobby N131BP 73 hrs. and i didn't have to pull the cowl after this flight. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:49:37 AM PST US From: Elden Jacobson Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Engine Cooling Unfortunately, I seem to have missed the "photos and directions..." alluded to here. Might they be posted again? - Many thanks, - Elden Jacobson xl/3300 Do not archive --- On Mon, 1/5/09, BobbyPaulk@comcast.net wrote: From: BobbyPaulk@comcast.net Subject: Zenith-List: Engine Cooling List, many thanks to "Jeff" for the photos and directions for the dams in the Ram Air Cooling Ducts.( Jabiru 3300 ) i installed the dams on the 2 re ar cylinders with only 1/8" clearance above the fins including the steel fins on the cylinder.i also continued thru the gap in the spark plugs to the out side edge of the duct. the temperature dropped from 335 ~ 340 to 265. UNBELIEVA BLE. that is a 75 deg. drop. i was starting out with the dams too small. you can learn a lot from this list if you go with the ones that know. thanks again. bobby N131BP 73 hrs. and i didn't have to pull the cowl after this flight. =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:10:00 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Elevator bias spring From: jaybannist@cs.com Any suggestions on finding the details about the elevator bias spring -? CZAW drawing 6-BO-4CZ ? Jay in Dallas ________________________________________________________________________ Email message sent from CompuServe - visit us today at http://www.cs.com ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:52:11 AM PST US From: LarryMcFarland Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Molex crimping Bill, The crimper he used was specifically the three stage fold and crimp, but it was his crimper and the ability to do the job without soldering that made it work. I found it really awkward to wire the Molex connector in place with the tray already installed. We worked around that with close proximity to the header tank and that just made the job much longer. A wired Molex connector and "free tray" would at least offer and easier opportunity to examine the plug and wiring installation prior to a final push-in connection with the radio. I have a Becker transponder and an ICom A200. My pathetic crimp/solder work wasn't discovered as a poor connection until all was in place. Removal of the connector was an especially difficult complication. Thank God I made the forward top skin removable! Golly, it looks like cross between a single tailed P-38 and a U-2 cockpit for camera or light bomber work. Surely a fast plane, but what is it? I don't know. Larry McFarland do not archive Bill Naumuk wrote: > Larry- > Three questions- > 1. What crimper finally worked? > 2. "Prior to installation of the connector and support tray". I was > planning on "Nailing down" the tray after the BNC antenna connection > had been installed. How does the pre-installation of the Molex > connector to the tray have an effect? > 3. I thought you had a Becker com. > Attached is a picture my brother and I found over Christmas of my > dad at the end of WWII. What is the twin behind him? NO FAIR LOOKING > IT UP!! > > Bill > do not archive > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:58:15 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Self Leveling Laser Awesome Time Saver From: "Ron Lendon" Hey guys, Got some part numbers to go with the ones you like? I stopped in the Big Orange store and there are way to many choices. -------- Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI WW Corvair with Roy's Garage 5th bearing Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-) http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=222826#222826 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:04:01 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Self Leveling Laser Awesome Time Saver From: "Fly with Gus" Mine is a Black & Decker BDL310S. a couple years old. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=222828#222828 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 12:08:42 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Elevator bias spring From: "Sabrina" Jay, remember, if you spring link the flap torque tube to the elevator horn to apply a pitch bias when the flaps are lowered you have to limit flap travel to 24 degrees. You can purchase the document from the LAA, I am told you would want to order the supplemental drawings for MOD-162B-002. To All: I am heading back to campus, and will be very busy again... I am sorry if I offended anyone with my zealous inquiries as of late. You guys are the best... I could not have built 86Q without you... BCNU (any yes, this post will disappear after I post it, it is my method of mass PMing you guys who subscribe to the e-mail forward service... ) To all my on line uncles and grandfathers: Happy New Year Love, Sabrina Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=222829#222829 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 01:39:18 PM PST US From: Afterfxllc@aol.com Subject: Zenith-List: William Wynne Parts for sale I have some WW / Corvair parts for sale. I would like to sell it all together but will part out if no one wants it all. 1. John Deer alt and regulator 30 hrs on this unit. with WW Bracket $275.00 2. WW rear oil housing with new oil pump $150.00 3. WW engine Mount NEW $450.00 4. WW baffle kit NEW $200.00 5. 2 WW Oil Pans Used $150.00 each 6. WW One piece Nose Bowl New $300.00 7. WW front starter kit Used 30 hrs $300.00 Thanks, Jeff Garrett Louisville Ky. 601XL N962T Aerolite Corvair 90% 601XL N524B Aerolite Corvair 155 Hrs 601XL N2257 Aerolite Corvair 225 Hrs _www.aeroliteproducts.com_ (http://www.aeroliteproducts.com/) _www.project601xl.com_ (http://www.project601xl.com/) www.aerolite.camstreams.com **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 02:29:45 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Aileron Trim Tab Lessons Learned Request From: "nosky2high" See these attached photos of the top and bottom aileron skin measurements for the trim tab and motor. The plans call for 145mm from edge of trim tab cut out to the bottom row of holes in the servo, by my measurements 135mm is the better measurement due to interference with the aileron spar flange. Any others out there experiencing the same issue? I love pre-punched skins just wish they'd pre-punched out the trim tab like they do in the elevator. higher resolution photos available here; http://picasaweb.google.com/nosky2high/WingKitFlapsAilerons?feat=directlink if the attached downsized photos don't explain the situation well enough. phone call to ZAC tomorrow. Anthony -------- Anthony Hanson Ft.Bragg, NC Kiowa Warrior Pilot Building ZenVair650 from Nov'08 ZAC 650 kit, tail 95%, Flaps Done, Working on Ailerons, Engine test ran. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=222857#222857 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_3272_large_262.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_3275_large_191.jpg ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 03:25:17 PM PST US From: Ronald Steele Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Aileron Rib Gusset Questions On Jan 2, 2009, at 9:43 PM, Sabrina wrote: > > Ron, > > Zenith has not issued a bulletin showing the PH aileron gussets, > just the flex hinge, so there is nothing more for Jon to post at > this time. If you have time, please scan the particular PH drawing > with the gussets attached, no need for all the other drawings on the > plans page. > > Do you have PH or flex hinge ailerons? > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=222480#222480 > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 03:41:50 PM PST US From: 4RCSIMMONS@comcast.net (Rich Simmons) Subject: Zenith-List: Canopy / Rail Flush to Fusealge side List, I think I know the answer but would rather ask for conformation. When looking at drawing 6-C-3 there are 2 sections, A-A and B-B. Both of these show the Canopy rail at or near flush to the fuselage side. When you start with the Rail bolting to the Upper engine mount/Canopy bracket there in itself there is a offset of several millimeters in itself . This means the section B-B is not true. What about section A-A! IS it true showing flush to the side? So, before I place my strikers, what is the rail to fuselage side flush condition at the striker and then going forward to the hinge point of the rail? Or, what have you guys done that have past this area of assembly? DO not Archive -- Thanks, Rich Simmons 601XL structure is 90% Murfreesboro, TN ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 04:05:32 PM PST US From: Bryan Martin Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Molex crimping That's a Grumman F7F Tigercat. The single engine tail dragger on the other side is an F6F Hellcat. On Jan 4, 2009, at 2:50 PM, LarryMcFarland wrote: > > Golly, it looks like cross between a single tailed P-38 and a U-2 > cockpit for camera or light bomber work. Surely a fast plane, but > what is it? > I don't know. > > Larry McFarland > do not archive > > Bill Naumuk wrote: >> Attached is a picture my brother and I found over Christmas of my >> dad at the end of WWII. What is the twin behind him? NO FAIR >> LOOKING IT UP!! >> Bill >> -- Bryan Martin N61BM, CH 601 XL, RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive. do not archive. ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 04:21:46 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Aileron Trim Tab Lessons Learned Request From: "Ron Lendon" Anthony, Try transferring the flange line to the outside of the skin after you have the access hole cut. I think the servo needs to be close but not touching the flange, perhaps .5mm clearance. Make sure you have a straight line from the servo to the trim tab horn and it will work out. The wings aren't here otherwise I would give you some dimensions. -------- Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI WW Corvair with Roy's Garage 5th bearing Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-) http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=222872#222872 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 06:17:39 PM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Molex crimping Bryan- Correct. I forgot I was on-list instead of talking to Larry direct. I should have cropped out the Hellcat and it would have been harder to identify. Gotta admit, not too many pictures of them around! Bill do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bryan Martin" Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 7:04 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Molex crimping > > That's a Grumman F7F Tigercat. The single engine tail dragger on the > other side is an F6F Hellcat. > > On Jan 4, 2009, at 2:50 PM, LarryMcFarland wrote: > >> >> Golly, it looks like cross between a single tailed P-38 and a U-2 >> cockpit for camera or light bomber work. Surely a fast plane, but what >> is it? >> I don't know. >> >> Larry McFarland >> do not archive >> >> Bill Naumuk wrote: >>> Attached is a picture my brother and I found over Christmas of my dad >>> at the end of WWII. What is the twin behind him? NO FAIR LOOKING IT >>> UP!! >>> >>> Bill >>> > > > -- > Bryan Martin > N61BM, CH 601 XL, > RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive. > do not archive. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message zenith-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Zenith-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/zenith-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/zenith-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.