---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 01/05/09: 25 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:03 AM - Chat Room Reminder (George Race) 2. 06:49 AM - Re: William Wynne Parts for sale (Jason Bogli) 3. 06:59 AM - Re: William Wynne Parts for sale (Rick Lindstrom) 4. 07:56 AM - How good is your eyeball? (Terry Phillips) 5. 08:41 AM - Re: How good is your eyeball? (Al Hays) 6. 08:42 AM - Re: Aileron Trim Tab Lessons Learned Request (Dave VanLanen) 7. 08:53 AM - Re: Canopy / Rail Flush to Fusealge side (DaveG601XL) 8. 12:14 PM - Re: William Wynne Parts for sale (Afterfxllc@aol.com) 9. 01:00 PM - unrolling the canopy (chris Sinfield) 10. 01:19 PM - Re: unrolling the canopy (jaybannist@cs.com) 11. 01:20 PM - Re: unrolling the canopy (Thruster87) 12. 01:35 PM - Re: unrolling the canopy (Paul Mulwitz) 13. 03:47 PM - Re: Re: unrolling the canopy (Roger & Lina Hill) 14. 04:09 PM - Re: unrolling the canopy (Thruster87) 15. 04:18 PM - Re: unrolling the canopy (dingfelder) 16. 04:18 PM - Re: How good is your eyeball? (leinad) 17. 04:35 PM - Re: Re: How good is your eyeball? (Terry Phillips) 18. 04:47 PM - Re: Re: How good is your eyeball? (raymondj) 19. 05:01 PM - Re: unrolling the canopy (chris Sinfield) 20. 05:11 PM - Re: Re: unrolling the canopy (jaybannist@cs.com) 21. 05:32 PM - Re: Re: How good is your eyeball? (Craig Payne) 22. 05:39 PM - Re: Re: unrolling the canopy (Roger & Lina Hill) 23. 05:46 PM - Re: Re: unrolling the canopy (Roger & Lina Hill) 24. 06:47 PM - Unrolling the canopy (dingfelder) 25. 07:24 PM - Possible almost finished XL for sale (Mike) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:03:13 AM PST US From: "George Race" Subject: Zenith-List: Chat Room Reminder Please join us for the Monday evening chat room starting around 8:00 PM Eastern Time. http://www.mykitairplane.com/chat/ George Do Not Archiv ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:49:38 AM PST US From: "Jason Bogli" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: William Wynne Parts for sale Hi Jeff: Id be interested in: the John Deere Alt/ reg. - dont need the bracket though. rear oil housing - was this rebuilt by WW ? oil pan - is this the light weight pan, or the older version ? Let me know. Jason Bogli The Law Office of Jason Bogli LLC 198R Salmon Brook Street Granby, CT 06035 860 653 7701 860 413 9342 www.jboglilaw.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Afterfxllc@aol.com To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 4:37 PM Subject: Zenith-List: William Wynne Parts for sale I have some WW / Corvair parts for sale. I would like to sell it all together but will part out if no one wants it all. 1. John Deer alt and regulator 30 hrs on this unit. with WW Bracket $275.00 2. WW rear oil housing with new oil pump $150.00 3. WW engine Mount NEW $450.00 4. WW baffle kit NEW $200.00 5. 2 WW Oil Pans Used $150.00 each 6. WW One piece Nose Bowl New $300.00 7. WW front starter kit Used 30 hrs $300.00 Thanks, Jeff Garrett Louisville Ky. 601XL N962T Aerolite Corvair 90% 601XL N524B Aerolite Corvair 155 Hrs 601XL N2257 Aerolite Corvair 225 Hrs www.aeroliteproducts.com www.project601xl.com www.aerolite.camstreams.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- New year...new news. Be the fom00000026">headlines. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:59:42 AM PST US From: Rick Lindstrom Subject: Re: Zenith-List: William Wynne Parts for sale Hi, Jeff. Sorry I had to get off of the phone yesterday evening, my son was just leaving with his recruiter to head off for the Marine Corps Recruit Depot in San Diego. Still have that big pit in my stomach, but it's what my kid has his heart set on. Semper Fi. I do have some questions about your pile of "experienced" parts, though. You mentioned that you thought the motor mount was off by 7/16". In what dimension? What did Ed say about it? What comes with the starter and alternator kits? Anything about the old-style welded oil pans that would make them unservicable? Or the oil pump and housing? Assuming that everything is jake, I'd be more than happy to relieve you of your excess inventory, providing we can agree on a figure that's worth it for you and a deal for me. ;-) Best, Rick -----Original Message----- >From: Afterfxllc@aol.com >Sent: Jan 4, 2009 1:37 PM >To: zenith-list@matronics.com >Subject: Zenith-List: William Wynne Parts for sale > > >I have some WW / Corvair parts for sale. I would like to sell it all >together but will part out if no one wants it all. > >1. John Deer alt and regulator 30 hrs on this unit. with WW Bracket $275.00 > >2. WW rear oil housing with new oil pump $150.00 > >3. WW engine Mount NEW $450.00 > >4. WW baffle kit NEW $200.00 > >5. 2 WW Oil Pans Used $150.00 each > >6. WW One piece Nose Bowl New $300.00 > >7. WW front starter kit Used 30 hrs $300.00 > >Thanks, > >Jeff Garrett >Louisville Ky. >601XL N962T Aerolite Corvair 90% >601XL N524B Aerolite Corvair 155 Hrs >601XL N2257 Aerolite Corvair 225 Hrs >_www.aeroliteproducts.com_ (http://www.aeroliteproducts.com/) >_www.project601xl.com_ (http://www.project601xl.com/) >www.aerolite.camstreams.com >**************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:56:21 AM PST US From: Terry Phillips Subject: Zenith-List: How good is your eyeball? Folks We all drill lots of holes and cut lots of parts. Here's a exercise to see how well you can eyeball those cuts: http://woodgears.ca/eyeball/ Terry no not archive Terry Phillips ZBAGer ttp44~at~rkymtn.net Corvallis MT 601XL/Jab 3300 s .. l .. o .. o .. w build kit - Tail, flaps, & ailerons are done; working on the wings http://www.mykitlog.com/N47TP/ ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:41:08 AM PST US From: Al Hays Subject: Re: Zenith-List: How good is your eyeball? Only got 4.20 so guess I'll be corkscrewing thru the sky. Bummer. Al Do Not Archive On Jan 5, 2009, at 10:45 AM, Terry Phillips wrote: > > Folks > > We all drill lots of holes and cut lots of parts. Here's a exercise > to see how well you can eyeball those cuts: > > http://woodgears.ca/eyeball/ > > Terry > no not archive > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:42:19 AM PST US From: "Dave VanLanen" Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Aileron Trim Tab Lessons Learned Request I had the same experience. It appears that the plans are incorrect. When I first asked ZAC about it, they suggested overlapping the spar flange with the servo, which I didn't think was a good idea, so I asked if I could move the servo rearward and they said that would work just fine. I moved the servo rearward until I had about 2mm to 3mm of clearnce from the aileron spar flange, and then went from there. Regards, Dave Van Lanen 601XL - tail done, flaps done, finishing ailerons Time: 02:29:45 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Aileron Trim Tab Lessons Learned Request From: "nosky2high" See these attached photos of the top and bottom aileron skin measurements for the trim tab and motor. The plans call for 145mm from edge of trim tab cut out to the bottom row of holes in the servo, by my measurements 135mm is the better measurement due to interference with the aileron spar flange. Any others out there experiencing the same issue? I love pre-punched skins just wish they'd pre-punched out the trim tab like they do in the elevator. higher resolution photos available here; http://picasaweb.google.com/nosky2high/WingKitFlapsAilerons?feat=directlink if the attached downsized photos don't explain the situation well enough. phone call to ZAC tomorrow. Anthony ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:53:35 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Canopy / Rail Flush to Fusealge side From: "DaveG601XL" Rich, My canopy rail is close to being flush to the fuselage sides all along it's length. Not exactly flush, but close. Wherever it is not flush, it overhangs slightly. The attached picture is the only one I could find that kind of shows the fit. This was accomplished by judicious bending of the frame. Without access to any kind of bending equipment, I used clamps, table corners and a bit of mallet hammering to coax it. Once I got the frame w/ tubes attached to sit where I wanted it, I placed the strikers to match. By the way, I had to shim the strikers up for the best latching spot. Good luck, -------- David Gallagher 601 XL/Jabiru 3300 First flight 7/24/08 Phase I flight test complete 10/16/08 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=222972#222972 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/fuselage_431_109.jpg ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 12:14:29 PM PST US From: Afterfxllc@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: William Wynne Parts for sale Jason Can you give me a call so i can get your information and answer any questions you might have. Jeff 502-644-8123 **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 01:00:50 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: unrolling the canopy From: "chris Sinfield" is it best to put the canopy out in the sun before unrolling it.? A few people have said theirs cracked as they unrolled them. Mine has been stored in the shed for 2 years. Chris Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=223011#223011 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 01:19:12 PM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: unrolling the canopy From: jaybannist@cs.com Chris, Do not even think about doing ANYTHING with the canopy bubble unless it is at LEAST 75 degF (24 degC).? The warmer, the better! Jay in Dallas -----Original Message----- From: chris Sinfield Sent: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 2:59 pm Subject: Zenith-List: unrolling the canopy is it best to put the canopy out in the sun before unrolling it.? A few people have said theirs cracked as they unrolled them. Mine has been stored in the shed for 2 years. Chris Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=223011#223011 ________________________________________________________________________ Email message sent from CompuServe - visit us today at http://www.cs.com ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 01:20:55 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: unrolling the canopy From: "Thruster87" Hi Chris, I just put my canopy on with NO cracking so far and it had been sitting in the garage for 9 months rolled up.With day temps around the 25-30Deg in the Sydney area there should be no problems.I'm also looking at maybe using rubber grommet inserts as that is what was used on my Thruster TST with good results and it had no cracks around the holes after 5yrs. Cheers Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=223018#223018 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 01:35:39 PM PST US From: Paul Mulwitz Subject: Re: Zenith-List: unrolling the canopy Hi Chris, One thing you do not want to do is expose your canopy to sun light. I understand it will fuse the protective film to the acrylic and you will need to probably buy a new canopy. Paul XL getting close At 12:59 PM 1/5/2009, you wrote: >is it best to put the canopy out in the sun before unrolling it.? A >few people have said theirs cracked as they unrolled them. Mine has >been stored in the shed for 2 years. >Chris ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 03:47:49 PM PST US From: "Roger & Lina Hill" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: unrolling the canopy Your working on a canopy in 25-30 degree weather??? Are you nuts? That thing will pop like a ballon,,,, oh wait, your in Sydney,,,that's on the Metric system, right? Ok, never mind (but you might still be nuts). Roger -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Thruster87 Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 3:20 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Re: unrolling the canopy Hi Chris, I just put my canopy on with NO cracking so far and it had been sitting in the garage for 9 months rolled up.With day temps around the 25-30Deg in the Sydney area there should be no problems.I'm also looking at maybe using rubber grommet inserts as that is what was used on my Thruster TST with good results and it had no cracks around the holes after 5yrs. Cheers Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=223018#223018 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 04:09:14 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: unrolling the canopy From: "Thruster87" I keep forgetting some countries still use the OLD Imperial scale [For Queen/KING and Country].The issue should have been finalized back at the Boston Tea party Times and they drive on the wrong side of the street to boot as well !!!!!!!!! So whose NUTS? OH I forgot already!!!! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=223044#223044 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 04:18:26 PM PST US From: "dingfelder" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: unrolling the canopy A related thing that I learned while working with my canopy -- If you have protective canopy film that is difficult to remove, or excess rubber trim adhesive (before it fully cures) on your canopy, isopropyl alcohol dry gas on a very soft cotton rag will remove it with no effect on the plastic canopy. Lynn 601 XL / Corvair Flight Testing ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 04:18:26 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: How good is your eyeball? From: "leinad" Terry, I noticed the game is messed up depending on the aspect ratio of your computer screen. Dan do not archive Terry Phillips wrote: > Folks > > We all drill lots of holes and cut lots of parts. Here's a exercise to see > how well you can eyeball those cuts: > > http://woodgears.ca/eyeball/ > > Terry > do not archive > > > > Terry Phillips ZBAGer > ttp44~at~rkymtn.net > Corvallis MT > 601XL/Jab 3300 s .. l .. o .. o .. w build kit - Tail, flaps, & ailerons > are done; working on the wings > http://www.mykitlog.com/N47TP/ -------- Scratch building XL with Corvair Engine Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=223046#223046 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 04:35:58 PM PST US From: Terry Phillips Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: How good is your eyeball? Dan That's interesting. I cannot imagine how it would work with some screens but not others. But then I have no idea how one would program such a thing in the 1st place. My screen is a 19" LCD that operates at 1440x900, and the game appears to work fine. I averaged 2.81. I found that some I hit right on and on others I was way off. That's why I've spent way too much money on various measuring devices. Can't trust these old eyes. Terry At 04:17 PM 1/5/2009 -0800, you wrote: >Terry, >I noticed the game is messed up depending on the aspect ratio of your >computer screen. >Dan >do not archive Terry Phillips ZBAGer ttp44~at~rkymtn.net Corvallis MT 601XL/Jab 3300 s .. l .. o .. o .. w build kit - Tail, flaps, & ailerons are done; working on the wings http://www.mykitlog.com/N47TP/ ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 04:47:41 PM PST US From: "raymondj" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: How good is your eyeball? This link from the page discusses some issues with monitors. http://woodgears.ca/eyeball/square.html Raymond Julian Kettle River, MN "Hope for the best, but prepare for the worst." do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terry Phillips" Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 6:33 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: How good is your eyeball? > > Dan > > That's interesting. I cannot imagine how it would work with some screens > but not others. But then I have no idea how one would program such a thing > in the 1st place. My screen is a 19" LCD that operates at 1440x900, and > the > game appears to work fine. > > I averaged 2.81. I found that some I hit right on and on others I was way > off. That's why I've spent way too much money on various measuring > devices. > Can't trust these old eyes. > > Terry > > > At 04:17 PM 1/5/2009 -0800, you wrote: >>Terry, >>I noticed the game is messed up depending on the aspect ratio of your >>computer screen. >>Dan >>do not archive > > > Terry Phillips ZBAGer > ttp44~at~rkymtn.net > Corvallis MT > 601XL/Jab 3300 s .. l .. o .. o .. w build kit - Tail, flaps, & ailerons > are done; working on the wings > http://www.mykitlog.com/N47TP/ > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com 1:10 PM ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 05:01:12 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: unrolling the canopy From: "chris Sinfield" Thanks.everyone.. today in the shade its 41 deg C. here in Sydney.. I will unwrap my canopy in the shade.. Chris.. Do not Archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=223067#223067 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 05:11:52 PM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: unrolling the canopy From: jaybannist@cs.com WOW !? 41 degC.? That's 106 degF.? It gets that hot here in Dallas, but I had no idea it got that hot in Sydney. Jay in Dallas Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: chris Sinfield Sent: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 6:59 pm Subject: Zenith-List: Re: unrolling the canopy Thanks.everyone.. today in the shade its 41 deg C. here in Sydney.. I will unwrap my canopy in the shade.. Chris.. Do not Archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=223067#223067 ________________________________________________________________________ Email message sent from CompuServe - visit us today at http://www.cs.com ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 05:32:22 PM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: How good is your eyeball? Yes, that is specifically mentioned in the help/about page. -- Craig -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of leinad Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 5:18 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Re: How good is your eyeball? Terry, I noticed the game is messed up depending on the aspect ratio of your computer screen. Dan do not archive Terry Phillips wrote: > Folks > > We all drill lots of holes and cut lots of parts. Here's a exercise to see > how well you can eyeball those cuts: > > http://woodgears.ca/eyeball/ > > Terry > do not archive > > > > Terry Phillips ZBAGer > ttp44~at~rkymtn.net > Corvallis MT > 601XL/Jab 3300 s .. l .. o .. o .. w build kit - Tail, flaps, & ailerons > are done; working on the wings > http://www.mykitlog.com/N47TP/ -------- Scratch building XL with Corvair Engine Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=223046#223046 ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 05:39:42 PM PST US From: "Roger & Lina Hill" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: unrolling the canopy Oh yes, it gets very hot in parts of Australia, I should know, I've seen Mad Max 16 times !!!! Roger _____ From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jaybannist@cs.com Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 7:11 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: unrolling the canopy WOW ! 41 degC. That's 106 degF. It gets that hot here in Dallas, but I had no idea it got that hot in Sydney. Jay in Dallas Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: chris Sinfield Sent: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 6:59 pm Subject: Zenith-List: Re: unrolling the canopy Thanks.everyone.. today in the shade its 41 deg C. here in Sydney.. I will unwrap my canopy in the shade.. Chris.. Do not Archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=223067#223067 _____ size=2 width="100%" align=center> Email message sent from CompuServe - visit us today at http://www.cs.com ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 05:46:11 PM PST US From: "Roger & Lina Hill" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: unrolling the canopy I guess that just shows ya how good Zeniths are, if your willing to pay shipping all the way to Australia to get parts... me, I live about 3 hours from the Zenith factory in Mexico, Missouri ,,,ya I know, green with jealousy you must all be right now down under !!! Gooday mates ( ya, I also watched crocodile Dundee 14 times...) Roger -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Thruster87 Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 6:08 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Re: unrolling the canopy I keep forgetting some countries still use the OLD Imperial scale [For Queen/KING and Country].The issue should have been finalized back at the Boston Tea party Times and they drive on the wrong side of the street to boot as well !!!!!!!!! So whose NUTS? OH I forgot already!!!! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=223044#223044 ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 06:47:42 PM PST US From: "dingfelder" Subject: Zenith-List: Unrolling the canopy > A related thing that I learned while working with my canopy -- > If you have protective canopy film that is difficult to remove, or excess > rubber trim adhesive (before it fully cures) on your canopy, isopropyl > alcohol dry gas on a very soft cotton rag will remove it with no effect on > the plastic canopy. > > Lynn 601 XL / Corvair Flight Testing ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 07:24:28 PM PST US From: Mike Subject: Zenith-List: Possible almost finished XL for sale For a variety of reasons, looks like I may want to put my almost finished 6 01XL up for sale. It's located in Southern California, and all I want to do is recover some of the money I've spent on it...not looking to profit. The fuselage is mostly done, instrument panel in place (steam gauges w/nav/VOR radio), Jabiru 3300 installed, prop partly installed. Actually, the only m ajor things left to do are balance the control surfaces, finish mounting th e prop/spinner, finish wiring the electrical system, and paint it. Not far from flying. To buy the major components now, you're looking at: XL kit (not quick-build): $16,000 Jab 3300 engine: $16,500 FWF kit:- $3,500 Instruments, radios, etc: $3,000 Total parts:- $39,000 To sell mine, the first $30K gets the whole thing. Serious inquiries only p lease; pics available. You would need to make your own arrangements to pick it up. 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