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1. 04:40 AM - Re: Internet and flying (Dave Covert)
2. 04:46 AM - Re: Cell phones and flying ------- Wire stripper (4RCSIMMONS@comcast.net (Rich Simmons))
3. 04:58 AM - Cell Phones (BobbyPaulk@comcast.net)
4. 05:04 AM - Re: Re: Cell phones and flying ------- Wire stripper (Paul Mulwitz)
5. 05:43 AM - Re: Internet and flying (Jay Maynard)
6. 06:17 AM - Re: Internet and flying (Dave Covert)
7. 06:17 AM - Re: Cell phones and flying ------- Wire stripper (Gig Giacona)
8. 06:21 AM - Re: Cell phones and flying ------- Wire stripper (DaveG601XL)
9. 06:34 AM - Re: Internet and flying (Gig Giacona)
10. 07:08 AM - Re: Re: Internet and flying (Dave Covert)
11. 08:50 AM - Re: Re: Cell phones and flying ------- Wire stripper (steve)
12. 09:09 AM - Re: Re: Cell phones and flying ------- Wire stripper (Dave Covert)
13. 01:00 PM - Re: Cell phones and flying ------- Wire stripper (jetboy)
14. 01:32 PM - 750 On cover of Kitplanes (Gig Giacona)
15. 01:40 PM - XL Canopy on 601HD (chris Sinfield)
16. 02:22 PM - Re: XL Canopy on 601HD (Carlos Sa)
17. 03:50 PM - Re: XL Canopy on 601HD (Frank Probst)
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| Subject: | Re: Internet and flying |
Jeff, that is a bit like saying that a using a dial-up modem isn't using the
phone system. Unless I am completely off my nut, the air card connection and
the cell phone connection are the same except that the phone uses a mic for
modulation input and the air card uses a stream of data. (assuming we are
talking about one of the digital cell technologies not talking about old
analog cell) That is, as far as the FCC is concerned, the air card produces
the exact same radio emissions as the cell phone. The fact that you are
using the cell system makes it a cell call.
You do have a legal point tho... the regs should probably say something more
generic, like 'cellular clients' not 'cellular telephones'...
Dave
On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 12:16 AM, <Afterfxllc@aol.com> wrote:
>
>
> Ok the cell phone discussion is great but, let me throw this in the mix
> since the cell phone talk is a little off the mark.
>
> I will have a cell phone with me that will be OFF but I have a Sprint Wi
> Fi card that is for Internet use only that I will be using.... I understand
> this is splitting hairs here but someone show me in the regs where it says
> we can't use the Internet in an aircraft because after all I will be
> broadcasting over the Internet not a cell phone.
>
>
> This say's nothing about Internet only cards.
>
>
> Cellular telephones installed in or carried aboard airplanes,
>
> balloons or any other type of aircraft must not be operated while such
>
> aircraft are airborne (not touching the ground). When any aircraft
>
> leaves the ground, all cellular telephones on board that aircraft must
>
> be turned off. The following notice must be posted on or near each
>
> cellular telephone installed in any aircraft:
>
> ``The use of cellular telephones while this aircraft is airborne is
>
> prohibited by FCC rules, and the violation of this rule could result in
>
> suspension of service and/or a fine. The use of cellular telephones
>
> while this aircraft is on the ground is subject to FAA regulations.''
>
>
> Jeff
> do not archive
>
>
> ------------------------------
> New year...new ne=emlcntaolcom00000026">headlines.
>
> *
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| Subject: | Re: Cell phones and flying ------- Wire stripper |
This list is getting interesting!
Ask a question about cell phones and you get hammered.
I aksed a question about hand guns and wow!
I sent one about about fitting the canopy the other day and got 2 responses. Thanks
to those guys!
I hopped on somewhere else and got a few confirmation as well.
Whats this list coming to?
A real question! (You can for get my comments above I know they are not necessary!!)
What is a descent wire stripper method or device for skinning shielded wires. For
kicks I skinned about a half inch with a knife and the sheild wires are very
fine. Half of them were cut as well!
Oh and I love me country!!
Thanks to my father and all others for WWII (Flying tigers) and my son currently
serving in the Navy!
My problems are really small!
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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Thanks,
Rich Simmons
601 XL Structer 90%
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list,
i can tell you by first hand experience one reason the airlines tell you to turn
off cell phones during take off and landings. i was riding right seat on a practice
instrument approach in a C-172. all of a sudden the Glide Slope and Localizer
needles pegged against the side of the instrument. they started oscillating
in a timely manner. i removed my head set and faintly heard the pilots
cell phone ringing in tune with the instrument malfunction. i would not like to
be in IFR conditions when that happens.
bobby
Do Not Archive
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| Subject: | Re: Cell phones and flying ------- Wire stripper |
Hi Rich,
Aircraft grade wires are particularly difficult to strip because of
the "Bullet Proof" Tefzel insulation.
I have found the same tools and techniques that work so well for
lesser insulation materials work best for this stuff too. It just
takes more practice and sharper edges to get it done well.
I like using the cheapest wire stripper I own (and I have a lot of
them) for normal wire stripping. This is a scissors like device with
4 sharp edges that meet at the same point. I put the wire in and
twist the wire and tool a little to cut all the way around.
A very sharp knife (utility or box cutter?) can work well for outer
insulation on cables. For Coaxial cable I use a more expensive
purpose built tool I got at Radio Shack. These cables are more
challenging because the insulated cable length is critical for
attaching the BNC connectors.
Good luck,
Paul
XL getting close
At 04:45 AM 1/7/2009, you wrote:
>What is a descent wire stripper method or device for skinning
>shielded wires. For kicks I skinned about a half inch with a knife
>and the sheild wires are very fine. Half of them were cut as well!
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| Subject: | Re: Internet and flying |
On Wed, Jan 07, 2009 at 01:16:35AM -0500, Afterfxllc@aol.com wrote:
> I will have a cell phone with me that will be OFF but I have a Sprint Wi Fi
> card that is for Internet use only that I will be using....
If it's truly WiFi, then there's no problem. If it's a Sprint data card,
though, it's just a cellphone that's only usable for data, and is subject to
the same regulations.
--
Jay Maynard, K5ZC, PP-ASEL, AGI http://www.conmicro.com
http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net
Fairmont, MN (KFRM) (Yes, that's me!)
AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC http://www.tronguy.net/N55ZC.shtml
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| Subject: | Re: Internet and flying |
And if it is truly WiFi he will need to load his scrolling map with all the
coffee shops along the way and fly the 'Starbuck'-airways rather than the
'victor'-airways... <g>
Dave
On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 7:40 AM, Jay Maynard <jmaynard@conmicro.com> wrote:
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> On Wed, Jan 07, 2009 at 01:16:35AM -0500, Afterfxllc@aol.com wrote:
> > I will have a cell phone with me that will be OFF but I have a Sprint Wi
> Fi
> > card that is for Internet use only that I will be using....
>
> If it's truly WiFi, then there's no problem. If it's a Sprint data card,
> though, it's just a cellphone that's only usable for data, and is subject
> to
> the same regulations.
> --
> Jay Maynard, K5ZC, PP-ASEL, AGI http://www.conmicro.com
> http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net
> Fairmont, MN (KFRM) (Yes, that's me!)
> AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC http://www.tronguy.net/N55ZC.shtml
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Cell phones and flying ------- Wire stripper |
I've had very good luck with this one from Radio Shack.
http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId 62787
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W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | Re: Cell phones and flying ------- Wire stripper |
Rich,
I am cheap when it comes to buying tools that I may only use once or twice. Try
putting a little bend in the cable and lightly score the outer insulation with
a razor blade. You will find that the stress of the bend causes the insulation
to nicely separate without the blade even touching the shielding.
Good luck,
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David Gallagher
601 XL/Jabiru 3300
First flight 7/24/08
Phase I flight test complete 10/16/08
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| Subject: | Re: Internet and flying |
Aft,
I could hardly care less if you use your cell phone in flight but while Sprint
may call it a WiFi card it is still just a cell phone that is limited to data
only and hence its use in flight is a violation of FCC regulations.
Why you are so interested in streaming video out of the plane in flight is beyond
me. It is going to look like crap and odds are nobody is going to be watching
it with the exception of maybe family and friends. And they will probably get
tired of the crappy feed. Add to that the issue that you are probably going
to have to dick around with it in-flight which will take your mind off of what
you should be doing which is flying the plane.
Why don't you just shoot some video and upload it on to YouTube.
P.S. I found, fairly nearby (Vicksburg MS), a rentable 601XL late last week and
sent the guy and email and in about an hour we had a 2 each email conversation.
The last one ended with him saying that he was in the plane with a student
and he would call when he got back on the ground. He had been emailing me using
his Blackberry in flight.
P.P.S. If anyone is looking for a 601XLi to get time in time prior to first flight
his contact info is
Michael Nassour
601-415-3070
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W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | Re: Internet and flying |
I have to admit to that one... I fly with the BBerry's radio off, but once
in a while I have been known to turn it on, look at the local radar shot and
then turn it off again. I know it can cause trouble, but then, so can
convection. The 60 to 90 seconds it takes me to improve my sit awareness
seems like a good compromise between the letter of the law and the intent of
the law.
Dave
On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 8:33 AM, Gig Giacona <wrgiacona@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Aft,
>
> I could hardly care less if you use your cell phone in flight but while
> Sprint may call it a WiFi card it is still just a cell phone that is limited
> to data only and hence its use in flight is a violation of FCC regulations.
>
> Why you are so interested in streaming video out of the plane in flight is
> beyond me. It is going to look like crap and odds are nobody is going to be
> watching it with the exception of maybe family and friends. And they will
> probably get tired of the crappy feed. Add to that the issue that you are
> probably going to have to dick around with it in-flight which will take your
> mind off of what you should be doing which is flying the plane.
>
> Why don't you just shoot some video and upload it on to YouTube.
>
> P.S. I found, fairly nearby (Vicksburg MS), a rentable 601XL late last week
> and sent the guy and email and in about an hour we had a 2 each email
> conversation. The last one ended with him saying that he was in the plane
> with a student and he would call when he got back on the ground. He had been
> emailing me using his Blackberry in flight.
>
> P.P.S. If anyone is looking for a 601XLi to get time in time prior to first
> flight his contact info is
> Michael Nassour
> 601-415-3070
>
> --------
> W.R. "Gig" Giacona
> 601XL Under Construction
> See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=223325#223325
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Cell phones and flying ------- Wire stripper |
I always carry my 9mm.
I dont worry about road rage....
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rich Simmons" <4RCSIMMONS@comcast.net>
Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 5:45 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Cell phones and flying ------- Wire stripper
>
> This list is getting interesting!
>
> Ask a question about cell phones and you get hammered.
>
> I aksed a question about hand guns and wow!
>
> I sent one about about fitting the canopy the other day and got 2
> responses. Thanks to those guys!
>
> I hopped on somewhere else and got a few confirmation as well.
>
> Whats this list coming to?
>
> A real question! (You can for get my comments above I know they are not
> necessary!!)
>
> What is a descent wire stripper method or device for skinning shielded
> wires. For kicks I skinned about a half inch with a knife and the sheild
> wires are very fine. Half of them were cut as well!
>
> Oh and I love me country!!
>
> Thanks to my father and all others for WWII (Flying tigers) and my son
> currently serving in the Navy!
>
> My problems are really small!
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
> --
> Thanks,
> Rich Simmons
> 601 XL Structer 90%
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Cell phones and flying ------- Wire stripper |
Or Jack Jumper Bull ants!
Dave
<do not archive this worthless post>
On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 10:48 AM, steve <notsew_evets@frontiernet.net> wrote:
>
> I always carry my 9mm.
>
> I dont worry about road rage....
>
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| Subject: | Re: Cell phones and flying ------- Wire stripper |
Rich,
I have the proper tools for my day job to strip all kinds of shielded wires, but
mostly find that a good set of flush cutting diagonal cutters is easiest for
separating a shield insulation, without nipping into the shield wires.
I slice 4 or 5 cuts radially into the sleeve using the tips of the cutters, not
deep enough to go fully thru. then flex the sleeve so the plastic gives way.
the same cutters then trim the shield etc. and get at the inner counductor in
similar way. I sometimes do a 'pinch cut' along the length of the sleeve and tear
it away with the flush side of the cutters.
The cutters need to be kept in good condition not to cut steel wires like TV
cable but can be the same flush cuttters you use for trimming plastic cable ties
in aircraft - Snap-on E709ACG or similar 4" cutter is good.
it can be done with razor blades, sharp knives or even the proper tools, which
do give a nicer appearance but need to be set up or used carefully to avoid damage.
Ralph
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Ralph - CH701 / 2200a
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| Subject: | 750 On cover of Kitplanes |
I noticed when I was home for lunch that the cover plane this month was the 750.
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W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | XL Canopy on 601HD |
Can someone who has done this please contact PM me as I have a guy with a HD that
wants to convert and the search Archives dont really show up much except jeffrey_davidson
email address which bounces
Chris.
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| Subject: | Re: XL Canopy on 601HD |
Chris, I believe Grant installed an XL canopy in his HDS.
I'll do same or maybe a 650 canopy, but did not get there yet.
You should be able to find Grant's email address in the archives
Carlos
2009/1/7 chris Sinfield <chris_sinfield@yahoo.com.au>
> chris_sinfield@yahoo.com.au>
>
> Can someone who has done this please contact PM me as I have a guy with a
> HD that wants to convert and the search Archives dont really show up much
> except jeffrey_davidson email address which bounces
> Chris.
> Do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: XL Canopy on 601HD |
Hi Chris
Your email bounced back so i'll post here. I built a 601 hd with a 601 xl
canopy. If you need any info just ask.
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