---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 01/08/09: 13 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:40 AM - Re: Cell phones and flying ------- Wire stripper (Edward Moody II) 2. 07:21 AM - FW: XL Canopy on 601 HD (Jeff Davidson) 3. 03:19 PM - Flap Control Tuibes (Peter W Johnson) 4. 03:36 PM - Re: Flap Control Tuibes (jaybannist@cs.com) 5. 03:37 PM - Motivational Video (cookwithgas) 6. 04:23 PM - Re: Motivational Video (leinad) 7. 04:26 PM - Re: Motivational Video (Gig Giacona) 8. 04:33 PM - Re: Re: Motivational Video (Jay Maynard) 9. 04:45 PM - Re: Re: Motivational Video (Ronald Steele) 10. 05:47 PM - Re: Flap Control Tuibes (dingfelder) 11. 06:17 PM - Re: Flap Control Tuibes (Juan Vega) 12. 06:17 PM - Re: Flap Control Tuibes (Juan Vega) 13. 10:40 PM - Re: Flap Control Tuibes (Afterfxllc@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:40:27 AM PST US From: "Edward Moody II" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Cell phones and flying ------- Wire stripper If you are using tefzel shielded wire, here's my suggestion. Don't try to cut through the outer insulation to the wire underneath. Instead, use a very sharp disposable blade (I use a #25 blade in a Bard Parker lab knife but any new exacto blade would probably work as well) to score the insulation. The sharp blade will easily cut into the tefzel and allow you to make a ring all the way around the insulation. Stop at that point and bend the wire to finish cracking the insulation jacket open. Trial and error will train you to cut just deep enough to allow you to crack open the jacket. If you are grounding the shield, you will need to unbraid it at that point. I use the pointed end of a soldering tool for that. When I needed two of them at one point, I made the second one out of a rivet stem driven into the end of a small dowel then sharpened the end of the stem. The point can be used to tease apart the fine strands of the shield then the strands can be twisted together for crimping / splicing. I like to trail the shield wires back away from the other conductors and slip a short heat shrink over them to help segregate them from the other wires. That requires that you do the shield splice first so that the heat shrink can slide on from the free end. Like everything else you have to "walk it through" in your mind first to work out the order in which to proceed. Hope that helps, Ed ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:21:05 AM PST US From: Jeff Davidson Subject: Zenith-List: FW: XL Canopy on 601 HD > >Time: 01:40:20 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: XL Canopy on 601HD From: >"chris Sinfield" Can someone who has done >this please contact PM me as I have a guy with a HD that wants to >convert and the search Archives dont really show up much except >jeffrey_davidson email address which bounces Chris. Do not archive > >Chris, > I'm not sure why my personal email address is bouncing. I'll look >into it. Just send it to the list for now. I can't post from my work email. > Jeff Davidson > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 03:19:24 PM PST US From: "Peter W Johnson" Subject: Zenith-List: Flap Control Tuibes Hi Guys, I am presently fitting the flap motor and control tubes. What is the angle of the flap control tube (6B19-1 and 2) relative to the flap control arm (6B19-3)? I need to drill the holes for the bolts that hold all three pieces together. I don't have the wings built yet so is it worth waiting until the wings and flaps are in place before drilling anything? Cheers Peter 601 XL Wonthaggi Australia http://zodiac.cpc-world.com ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 03:36:16 PM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Flap Control Tuibes From: jaybannist@cs.com Peter, I strongly suggest waiting to drill and bolt the flap control arm to the tor que tubes until you have the wings and flaps in place. Because the geometry of the flap control system is so complex, even a small error in this connect ion has major consequences.=C2- I am speaking from experience.=C2- Once this connection is drilled and bolted, your options for correction are very limited.=C2- Best to wait. Jay in Dallas -----Original Message----- From: Peter W Johnson Sent: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 5:17 pm Subject: Zenith-List: Flap Control Tuibes Hi Guys, =C2- I am presently fitting the flap motor and control tubes. What is the angle o f the flap control tube (6B19-1 and 2) relative to the flap control arm (6B1 9-3)? I need to drill the holes for the bolts that hold all three pieces tog ether. =C2- I don=99t have the wings built yet so is it worth waiting until the wi ngs and flaps are in place before drilling anything? =C2- Cheers =C2- Peter 601 XL Wonthaggi Australia http://zodiac.cpc-world.com =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- 0such as List Un/Subscription, ________________________________________________________________________ Email message sent from CompuServe - visit us today at http://www.cs.com ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 03:37:20 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Motivational Video From: "cookwithgas" This morning my wife asked me to skip work and take her flying. Since she almost NEVER asks me to go flying I jumped at the offer. It was really cold and starting to snow but we drove out to the airport anyway. The clouds were high and the day was supposed to get better so we flew to York, Nebraska for lunch. We took the courtesy car into town and had a great lunch, then flew back in warmer weather and sunshine. It was a great day! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hDT-H91FG8 Building was fun but flying is better. Scott Laughlin www.cooknwithgas.com 601XL/Corvair 120 hours Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=223614#223614 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 04:23:24 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Motivational Video From: "leinad" Scott, Thankd for posting! Dan Dempsey 601xl/corvair plans builder cookwithgas wrote: > This morning my wife asked me to skip work and take her flying. Since she almost NEVER asks me to go flying I jumped at the offer. It was really cold and starting to snow but we drove out to the airport anyway. The clouds were high and the day was supposed to get better so we flew to York, Nebraska for lunch. We took the courtesy car into town and had a great lunch, then flew back in warmer weather and sunshine. It was a great day! > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hDT-H91FG8 > > Building was fun but flying is better. > > Scott Laughlin > www.cooknwithgas.com > 601XL/Corvair > 120 hours -------- Scratch building XL with Corvair Engine Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=223621#223621 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 04:26:35 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Motivational Video From: "Gig Giacona" Another great video... You might want to work on landing in the center of the runway though. ;) -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=223623#223623 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 04:33:23 PM PST US From: Jay Maynard Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Motivational Video On Thu, Jan 08, 2009 at 04:25:30PM -0800, Gig Giacona wrote: > You might want to work on landing in the center of the runway though. ;) Centerline? What centerline? -- Jay Maynard, K5ZC, PP-ASEL, AGI http://www.conmicro.com http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net Fairmont, MN (KFRM) (Yes, that's me!) AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC http://www.tronguy.net/N55ZC.shtml ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 04:45:48 PM PST US From: Ronald Steele Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Motivational Video Instructor: Ok, what was the problem with that landing? Me: I wasn't on the centerline. Instructor: And why was that? Me: (Pick of the the dozen or so reasons we all know) Ron DO NOT ARCHIVE On Jan 8, 2009, at 7:29 PM, Jay Maynard wrote: > > On Thu, Jan 08, 2009 at 04:25:30PM -0800, Gig Giacona wrote: >> You might want to work on landing in the center of the runway >> though. ;) > > Centerline? What centerline? > -- > Jay Maynard, K5ZC, PP-ASEL, AGI http://www.conmicro.com > http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net > Fairmont, MN (KFRM) (Yes, that's me!) > AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC http://www.tronguy.net/N55ZC.shtml > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 05:47:29 PM PST US From: "dingfelder" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Flap Control Tuibes Peter, I basically agree with Jay. I chose to bolt the left side at initial assembly because it is less accessable later, but I first worked out the geometry very carefully so I could maximize flap travel. (with much effort, I finally achieved 24 deg., which works well) I fastened the other tube with one small temporary rivit just to keep it in place. This gives you the opportunity to adjust the flaps for exact symmetry after the wings are attached. After this step, I bolted the right tube. Lynn Corry, PA 601XL / Corvair Testing ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 06:17:15 PM PST US From: Juan Vega Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Flap Control Tuibes Pete call me and I can walk you through the flap set up. 813-784-7312. I am flying in the moring to Miami, but avaialable after 10am. Juan -----Original Message----- >From: Peter W Johnson >Sent: Jan 8, 2009 6:17 PM >To: zenith-list@matronics.com, zenith601-list@matronics.com >Subject: Zenith-List: Flap Control Tuibes > >Hi Guys, > >I am presently fitting the flap motor and control tubes. What is the angle >of the flap control tube (6B19-1 and 2) relative to the flap control arm >(6B19-3)? I need to drill the holes for the bolts that hold all three pieces >together. > >I don't have the wings built yet so is it worth waiting until the wings and >flaps are in place before drilling anything? > >Cheers > >Peter >601 XL >Wonthaggi Australia >http://zodiac.cpc-world.com > > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 06:17:15 PM PST US From: Juan Vega Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Flap Control Tuibes Do not drill flap control tubes till last. INstall the wings then fit the flaps in the setting as fully retracted. Just cleco do not rivet. use a piece of wood to hold them all the way up in place up against the nylon stops. Then with the tube essembled in place but not drilled, go under the plane and scribe with a sharp metal object or a fine pen the three parts to the tube, left tube, arm, and right tube. once all three are scribed. take the whole thing apart and take the flaps off . Then go and drill the tubes and match the parts together using the marks you scribed as referance. Make sure you you a vice to hold each part staedy. Add oil to the drill point whiler you drill, it helps the carving of the drill. reinstalled the drilled tubes in place in the up position. Restall the flaps making sure to cleco them in place. SO now the flaps are clecoed in place, the flap arms are assembled in the up position, bolt the arm to the flap motor, bolt the screws in place and torque to 10lbs. The motr in the up position shuold stop just 2 mm after the flap is in the up position, this locks the flap. then push the flap button top bring the flap down. the motor should stop when it hits the switch at the right distance, which is in the plans. Juan -----Original Message----- >From: dingfelder >Sent: Jan 8, 2009 8:45 PM >To: zenith-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Flap Control Tuibes > >Peter, > I basically agree with Jay. I chose to bolt the left side at initial assembly because it is less accessable later, but I first worked out the geometry very carefully so I could maximize flap travel. (with much effort, I finally achieved 24 deg., which works well) I fastened the other tube with one small temporary rivit just to keep it in place. This gives you the opportunity to adjust the flaps for exact symmetry after the wings are attached. After this step, I bolted the right tube. > Lynn Corry, PA 601XL / Corvair Testing ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:40:21 PM PST US From: Afterfxllc@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Flap Control Tuibes Good lord Juan that's a lot more work than need be. All you have to do is run the flap motor to the full up position make sure they are both even but don't place anything under the flaps to hold them up because the nylon will have some play. Once you have one side where you want it drill a 3/32 hole in the edge of the tube and cleco into place. Then adjust the other flap where you want it and drill a 3/32 hole in the other side of the tube and cleco that side as well. Once you are satisfied with the flaps run them up and down a few times just to be sure they will sit where you want them. Once you are satisfied drill and bolt each side. One note... be sure to think ahead as to where the bolt will travel as the tube turns so it won't hit anything. Jeff Garrett Louisville Ky. 601XL N962T Aerolite Corvair 90% 601XL N524B Aerolite Corvair 155 Hrs 601XL N2257 Aerolite Corvair 225 Hrs _www.aeroliteproducts.com_ (http://www.aeroliteproducts.com/) _www.project601xl.com_ (http://www.project601xl.com/) _www.aerolite.camstreams.com_ (http://www.aerolite.camstreams.com/) Do not archive Do not drill flap control tubes till last. INstall the wings then fit the flaps in the setting as fully retracted. Just cleco do not rivet. use a piece of wood to hold them all the way up in place up against the nylon stops. Then with the tube essembled in place but not drilled, go under the plane and scribe with a sharp metal object or a fine pen the three parts to the tube, left tube, arm, and right tube. once all three are scribed. take the whole thing apart and take the flaps off . Then go and drill the tubes and match the parts together using the marks you scribed as referance. Make sure you you a vice to hold each part staedy. Add oil to the drill point whiler you drill, it helps the carving of the drill. reinstalled the drilled tubes in place in the up position. Restall the flaps making sure to cleco them in place. SO now the flaps are clecoed in place, the flap arms are assembled in the up position, bolt the arm to the flap motor, bolt the screws in place and torque to 10lbs. The motr in the up position shuold stop just 2 mm after the flap is in the up position, this locks the flap. then push the flap button top bring the flap down. the motor should stop when it hits the s! witch at the right distance, which is in the plans. Juan **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. 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