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1. 07:24 AM - Fw: Canopy (jaybannist@cs.com)
2. 08:45 AM - Open canopy accident (jaybannist@cs.com)
3. 09:07 AM - Re: Open canopy accident (Afterfxllc@aol.com)
4. 09:39 AM - Re: Open canopy accident (Bill Naumuk)
5. 10:32 AM - Re: Open canopy accident (skyridersbn)
6. 10:54 AM - Re: Open canopy accident (T. Graziano)
7. 11:02 AM - Re: Re: Open canopy accident (Afterfxllc@aol.com)
8. 11:12 AM - Re: Open canopy accident (Roger & Lina Hill)
9. 02:29 PM - Chat Room Reminder (George Race)
10. 06:04 PM - Some videos of us flying (Afterfxllc@aol.com)
11. 10:14 PM - Re: Replace Aileron Controls (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com)
12. 10:48 PM - Re: Open canopy accident. Also in case of engine out landings. (Gary Gower)
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Chris,
I tried sending this directly to you, but it got bounced both times.? Not sure
what the problem is.
-----Original Message-----
From: jaybannist@cs.com
Sent: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 9:02 am
Subject: Canopy
Chris,
Making the canopy was, no doubt, the most frustrating part of the whole build process.
I had three different sets of instructions for canopy construction, none
of which were complete nor very clear.? Very, very confusing. ??
My advise:? Study everything you have on canopy construction.? Become VERY familiar
with it.? Think it through.? Then get with it.
Hardest things to do:
Bending the lower frame rails to fit the curvature of the upper longeron of the
fuselage. Hard to do, but you can do it.
Curving the inside rail faring (6C3-5) by stretching the flange.? I thought I would
never get this one done.? When I got the stretching and curving right, I
had a piece of aluminum that fit but it looked horrible.? I made it "purty" with
epoxy body putty.? I now know that the secret is to only pound on the back
or under side of the flange with the exposed surface against a steel plate.
Verifying or correcting the curvature of the tubular bows.? I didn't use plywood
for this operation.? I used some of the large, heavy corrugated cardboard that
came in the ZAC packing crates.? It serves the same purpose and is much easier
to cut and re-cut than plywood. I made them fit the curve with the coordinates
shown on the drawings.? I cut them to length (a little long) and began the
process of checking the bows against the canopy bubble.? I used a Dremel with
a cutoff wheel to cut the slot in the tube that is welded to the frame rail.
Fit, mark, cut, fit, mark, cut unitl it is right.? Same with the curvature.
You will have to cut a big notch in the edge of the bubble to clear the operator
device.? When you start to drill and cleco the outside fairing and the bubble,
stay clear of this notch.? I drilled a hole very close to it and promptly forgot
about it.? It was several months after the construction that I again clecoed
the bubble to the frame for final fastening.? When I put a cleco in that
hole close to the notch, I got a crack.? Every time I tried to stop drill it,
the crack ran a little further.? Again, I now know to stop a crack, you drill
just beyond the end of the crack.? In the end, I was able to install a plastic
vent that totally eliminated the crack.
Locating the striker stud is critical.? Take your time and get it right.
Adjusting the cable was a real puzzle to me, but I got it done.? I'm not real satisfied
with it, but I can't do anything with it now without tearing the whole
thing apart. Work with this adjustment until you are completely satisfied and
everything works as it should.? There is no going back once the canopy is complete.
Installing the gas spring is hard, and drilling those holes in the studs for the
tiny cotter pins is trying. Once you have the holes drilled, use a larger bit
to slightly bevel the edges of the hole.? That will make inseting the cotter
much easier.
At first I had trouble with unlatching (panicsville!).? I put the slot on the inside
to actuate the latch lever, but I also put holes on the outside for the
same thing.? A good spraying of powered graphite lubricant into the latch mechanism
made everything work.
Let me know if you have questions. - Good Luck and stay cool !
Jay
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| Subject: | Open canopy accident |
Friends,
I have been flying about thirty years. I have survived four engine stoppages
, two on takeoff, one a broken crank at cruise; and a crash. I didn
=99t just fall off a turnip truck.=C2- Believe me, when you are faced with
death, you are not thinking about what a Monday morning peer review might s
ay about your performance. You are intent on saving your life. You do not an
alyze the situation.=C2- You react in whatever manner and with whatever me
thods you have at your disposal.=C2- Your survival instinct and training a
re your only resources.=C2- Facing death is not an academic experience. It
is purely visceral. =C2-
If your canopy pops open in flight, it will be a different situation and a d
ifferent experience from mine. It is not something you can train for.=C2-
Other than =9Cstay calm and fly the airplane=9D, NO ONE can tell
you what to do or how to react.=C2- You are on your own. It is YOUR life
and YOU will determine the outcome.
So, please.=C2- No more advise. No more second guessing.=C2- None of you
were in that cockpit with me so you can't possibly know what I faced.=C2
- It is over and I did the right thing. =C2- I AM ALIVE.
Jay Bannister
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| Subject: | Re: Open canopy accident |
Jay,
If you don't want anyone to comment on it don't bring up what happened to
you. I had pics of someone flying with the Canopy open and he just had to ap
ply
more power and fly the plane. I can't see how the 601 you were flying could
be any different than the thousands that were built exactly like yours. And
I
now know of 3 others that have landed with them open so it will fly if you
don't get behind the plane, even ZAC says it will.
There is no way for you to take this any way but personal so why bring it u
p
on the list because it just upsets you and what's the point in that.
As you can see in the photo's this plane had a nose up attitude and landed
without incident with more power applied
.
Jeff Garrett
Louisville Ky.
601XL N962T Aerolite Corvair 90%
601XL N524B Aerolite Corvair 167 Hrs
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Friends,
I have been flying about thirty years. I have survived four engine
stoppages, two on takeoff, one a broken crank at cruise; and a crash. I did
n=99t just
fall off a turnip truck. Believe me, when you are faced with death, you ar
e
not thinking about what a Monday morning peer review might say about your
performance. You are intent on saving your life. You do not analyze the sit
uation.
You react in whatever manner and with whatever methods you have at your
disposal. Your survival instinct and training are your only resources. Fa
cing
death is not an academic experience. It is purely visceral.
If your canopy pops open in flight, it will be a different situation and a
different experience from mine. It is not something you can train for. Oth
er
than =9Cstay calm and fly the airplane=9D, NO ONE can tell you
what to do or how
to react. You are on your own. It is YOUR life and YOU will determine the
outcome.
So, please. No more advise. No more second guessing. None of you were in
that cockpit with me so you can't possibly know what I faced. It is over a
nd
I did the right thing. I AM ALIVE.
Jay Bannister
Jeff Garrett
Louisville Ky.
601XL N962T Aerolite Corvair 90%
601XL N524B Aerolite Corvair 155 Hrs
601XL N2257 Aerolite Corvair 225 Hrs
_www.aeroliteproducts.com_ (http://www.aeroliteproducts.com/)
_www.project601xl.com_ (http://www.project601xl.com/)
_www.aerolite.camstreams.com_ (http://www.aerolite.camstreams.com/)
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| Subject: | Re: Open canopy accident |
All-
Single pilot. Factor in W+B.
Bill
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----- Original Message -----
From: Afterfxllc@aol.com
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 12:06 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Open canopy accident
Jay,
If you don't want anyone to comment on it don't bring up what happened
to you. I had pics of someone flying with the Canopy open and he just
had to apply more power and fly the plane. I can't see how the 601 you
were flying could be any different than the thousands that were built
exactly like yours. And I now know of 3 others that have landed with
them open so it will fly if you don't get behind the plane, even ZAC
says it will.
There is no way for you to take this any way but personal so why bring
it up on the list because it just upsets you and what's the point in
that.
As you can see in the photo's this plane had a nose up attitude and
landed without incident with more power applied
.
Jeff Garrett
Louisville Ky.
601XL N962T Aerolite Corvair 90%
601XL N524B Aerolite Corvair 167 Hrs
601XL N2257 Aerolite Corvair 60 Hrs (corrected)
www.aeroliteproducts.com
www.project601xl.com
www.aerolite.camstreams.com
Do not archive
Friends,
I have been flying about thirty years. I have survived four engine
stoppages, two on takeoff, one a broken crank at cruise; and a crash. I
didn=99t just fall off a turnip truck. Believe me, when you are
faced with death, you are not thinking about what a Monday morning peer
review might say about your performance. You are intent on saving your
life. You do not analyze the situation. You react in whatever manner
and with whatever methods you have at your disposal. Your survival
instinct and training are your only resources. Facing death is not an
academic experience. It is purely visceral.
If your canopy pops open in flight, it will be a different situation
and a different experience from mine. It is not something you can train
for. Other than =9Cstay calm and fly the airplane=9D, NO
ONE can tell you what to do or how to react. You are on your own. It is
YOUR life and YOU will determine the outcome.
So, please. No more advise. No more second guessing. None of you
were in that cockpit with me so you can't possibly know what I faced.
It is over and I did the right thing. I AM ALIVE.
Jay Bannister
Jeff Garrett
Louisville Ky.
601XL N962T Aerolite Corvair 90%
601XL N524B Aerolite Corvair 155 Hrs
601XL N2257 Aerolite Corvair 225 Hrs
www.aeroliteproducts.com
www.project601xl.com
www.aerolite.camstreams.com
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Open canopy accident |
Mr Garrett,
What you don't seem to understand is that Jay has possibly posted to the wrong
forum. I believe he is posting to a response from the Zenith 601 forum, correct
Jay? (Isn't that the forum you are banned from Mr Garrett?) Either way,
I found your reply to Jay as being very crass and without any compassion. You
wasn't there so you have NO CLUE as to what to do or what should have been done
differently. Each and every circumstance is different. Sure the POH can give
you a possible corrective course of action, but NOTHING is for certain and
since you wasn't there, you have no idea as to what you should do or what you
would have done differently. Why is it that you seemed to want to chastise Jay
for mentioning it? All I can say to end this mess is THANK GOD Jay and his
CFI II was able to get the plane on the ground. I'll leave you with this one
final thought Mr Garrett - My father used to tell me, "If you can't say anything
nice to someone, it's just best to keep your mouth SHUT and your eyes and
ears OPEN. You learn more that way". :)
--------
Larry Hursh (N650LM Reserved)
CH650 (Converted from CH601XL)
Starting fuselage
will be Corvair Powered
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=224067#224067
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| Subject: | Re: Open canopy accident |
Jay,
I'm glad you will be able to enjoy the sky again in your XL.
I believe that under the circumstances, most pilots, including me,
would have reduced power if the canopy opened and the nose pitched
extremely nose down at pattern altitude. It would seem to be the
correct response.
Based on your experience, I will annotate my POH to try full power if
the situation should ever happen to me. I have the "old" style latch
and have taken off with one side not completely closed, although still
attached by the latch safety detent. - you know it by hearing increased
air noise when you throttle back..
Hope to never have a fully open canopy in flight, but your experience
may lead to a more happy ending for others. At the least, it makes us
more aware to carefully check the canopy latches before takeoff.
Tony Graziano
601XL/Jab3300; 460 really enjoyable hrs; N493TG
Buchanan, Tn
----- Original Message -----
From: jaybannist@cs.com
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 10:43 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Open canopy accident
Friends,
I have been flying about thirty years. I have survived four engine
stoppages, two on takeoff, one a broken crank at cruise; and a crash. I
didn=99t just fall off a turnip truck. Believe me, when you are
faced with death, you are not thinking about what a Monday morning peer
review might say about your performance. You are intent on saving your
life. You do not analyze the situation. You react in whatever manner
and with whatever methods you have at your disposal. Your survival
instinct and training are your only resources. Facing death is not an
academic experience. It is purely visceral.
If your canopy pops open in flight, it will be a different situation
and a different experience from mine. It is not something you can train
for. Other than =9Cstay calm and fly the airplane=9D, NO
ONE can tell you what to do or how to react. You are on your own. It is
YOUR life and YOU will determine the outcome.
So, please. No more advise. No more second guessing. None of you
were in that cockpit with me so you can't possibly know what I faced.
It is over and I did the right thing. I AM ALIVE.
Jay Bannister
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| Subject: | Re: Open canopy accident |
Larry,
I really wasn't trying to throw stones at Jay I was simply trying to inform
folks that the 601 can be flown with the Canopy open and not to freak out if
it happens and pics don't lie. So if Jay or you think I was somehow directing
it directly at them so be it. I just know that if anyone brings up that it
can be flown with it open Jay gets upset so why comment on it? I to am glad he
didn't get hurt and walked away and it is true that the 601 in the pic's
wasn't a AMD and it didn't have a 0-200 and it had different color paint but I
still stand behind what I said and that is that if the aircraft wasn't over
gross and was within proper CG it should have been stable with the canopy open
provide the plane didn't get too slow. I'm not even gonna comment on your
rudeness though Mr. Hursh
Jeff Garrett
Louisville Ky.
601XL N962T Aerolite Corvair 90%
601XL N524B Aerolite Corvair 155 Hrs
601XL N2257 Aerolite Corvair 225 Hrs
_www.aeroliteproducts.com_ (http://www.aeroliteproducts.com/)
_www.project601xl.com_ (http://www.project601xl.com/)
_www.aerolite.camstreams.com_ (http://www.aerolite.camstreams.com/)
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Mr Garrett,
What you don't seem to understand is that Jay has possibly posted to the
wrong forum. I believe he is posting to a response from the Zenith 601 forum,
correct Jay? (Isn't that the forum you are banned from Mr Garrett?) Either
way, I found your reply to Jay as being very crass and without any
compassion. You wasn't there so you have NO CLUE as to what to do or what should
have
been done differently. Each and every circumstance is different. Sure the
POH can give you a possible corrective course of action, but NOTHING is for
certain and since you wasn't there, you have no idea as to what you should do
or what you would have done differently. Why is it that you seemed to want to
chastise Jay for mentioning it? All I can say to end this mess is THANK GOD
Jay and his CFI II was able to get the plane on the ground. I'll leave you
with this one final thought Mr Garrett - My father used to tell me, "If you
can't say anything nice to someone, it's just best to keep your mo!
uth SHUT and your eyes and ears OPEN. You learn more that way". :)
--------
Larry Hursh (N650LM Reserved)
CH650 (Converted from CH601XL)
Starting fuselage
will be Corvair Powered
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| Subject: | Open canopy accident |
Jay;
Being a fellow survivor of a forced landing after my new prop broke off my
601, I can understand what you are saying and I have to agree with your
advice to stay calm and fly the plane. And that's not just my opinion
either, as I noticed a statistic (while reading Stick and Rudder) that about
75% of the time, when a pilot is killed in a forced landing it is because of
LOSS OF CONTROL. What ????? Yes that's right, the pilot dies because he
losses control of the plane. It's that simple. Don't' loose control, and
you probably wont' die, you will just land like us.
My advice to all of you is to practice power off landings, get use to flying
with no power, keeping the speed up and the noise down and don't make any
radical wing banks or quick panicky stick movements. Just work the problem
and fly the plane. It sounds simple, but until you have lost power and are
coming down, you probably don't know how hard it is to keep your head on
flying and not on what might happen to you when you touch the ground. Force
landings are something you can train for, so do it and don't just stick your
head in the sand and say; it won't happen to me.
(You might also try flying a combat flight simulator, there is nothing like
being shot down 1000 times...)
Finally, Jay and I survived, and so can you, just fly the plane and get it
into your head that your going down, so accept it and just fly the plane
and if you DON'T' loose control of your self, and the plane, your probably
going to be fine.
Roger Hill
_____
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
jaybannist@cs.com
Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 10:44 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Open canopy accident
Friends,
I have been flying about thirty years. I have survived four engine
stoppages, two on takeoff, one a broken crank at cruise; and a crash. I
didn't just fall off a turnip truck. Believe me, when you are faced with
death, you are not thinking about what a Monday morning peer review might
say about your performance. You are intent on saving your life. You do not
analyze the situation. You react in whatever manner and with whatever
methods you have at your disposal. Your survival instinct and training are
your only resources. Facing death is not an academic experience. It is
purely visceral.
If your canopy pops open in flight, it will be a different situation and a
different experience from mine. It is not something you can train for.
Other than "stay calm and fly the airplane", NO ONE can tell you what to do
or how to react. You are on your own. It is YOUR life and YOU will
determine the outcome.
So, please. No more advise. No more second guessing. None of you were in
that cockpit with me so you can't possibly know what I faced. It is over
and I did the right thing. I AM ALIVE.
Jay Bannister
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| Subject: | Chat Room Reminder |
Please join us for the Monday evening chat room starting around 8:00 PM
Eastern Time.
<http://www.mykitairplane.com/chat/> www.mykitairplane.com/chat/
George
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| Subject: | Some videos of us flying |
After switching from the front starter kit to the Aerolite rear system we
flew from Louisville Ky to spend the night with Bill Clapp then on to Englewood
Fl. The flight was great.
Here are the #'s
Voltage was 14 volts steady
Oil pressure was steady 40 lbs
Cht's were 125-130 steady and 200-225 climb
Egt 1050 steady
Oil temp 60 degrees OAT were 255 before the cooler and 190-200 after cooler
(with my new fiberglass baffles installed but had some air loss so should see
10 degree drop after sealing.)
Here are some youtube links
_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tyx2nalW9gs_
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tyx2nalW9gs)
_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kC4fF0uTuxQ_
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kC4fF0uTuxQ)
_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEbz-AK3YU0_
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEbz-AK3YU0)
_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JPnUcicz7k_
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JPnUcicz7k)
Jeff Garrett
Louisville Ky.
601XL N962T Aerolite Corvair 90%
601XL N524B Aerolite Corvair 155 Hrs
601XL N2257 Aerolite Corvair 225 Hrs
_www.aeroliteproducts.com_ (http://www.aeroliteproducts.com/)
_www.project601xl.com_ (http://www.project601xl.com/)
_www.aerolite.camstreams.com_ (http://www.aerolite.camstreams.com/)
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Replace Aileron Controls |
Fellows 601XL Builders and Flyers. Well, I finally finished up on removing
the cables from my XL ailerons and replacing them with push pull tubes. Total
cost was about $ 100. and took about a whole weekend to complete. Sure would
have been easier to install them while building. I made a test flight
Saturday morning and I was very pleased with the results. Control is quicker and
more solid to the touch. At slow flight, in the pattern and steep turns it was
more responsive. At greater speeds the ailerons were about as stiff and heavy
as they ever were. I went up to 2,500 feet and took her up to 155 mph and gave
her some shakes trying to see if a flutter could be caused and nothing.
Lastly, the weigh difference is the push/pull rod system weighs 14.2 ounces more
than the wire system. I didn't write up what I did or the materials nor have
I taken any photos, but if a ground swell of interest and excitement occurs
along with a bunch of pledges to buy me beer at Sun N Fun Bar B Q this spring
I might be persuaded to put together an "How & What". Best regards, Bill of
Georgia
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| Subject: | Open canopy accident. Also in case of engine out landings. |
Hello Roger (and list),
-
I just want to add a little advise (personal experience 3 engine out landin
gs with 2 cycle engines in previos "Fat Ultralighs",- (in one case-was
fuel finished, with 45 mph head wind, 60 mph cruise,-no way to make it to
destination, to high the mountains around to return, "Gethomeitis").--
-
All of us get nervous when "gliding" without engine (cant imagine a pilot i
n a Pitts).
This feeling is perfectly normal, even to "Rambo" and Swecheneger (what eve
r is the spelling:-).-
The more we get close to the land (and the rougher it looks)- the more ne
rvous we start feeling.- Fight this attitude, you can make it.--
-
Please dont level and/or flare too high,- fight this instict, or the plan
e will stall and there is where the control looses and G's increase...-
- This is a mayor statistical cause of severe damage and death.
-
Also dont think on saving the airplane (it happens "all this years and mone
y sindrome"), will make you stall it and the damage will be worse...- Fly
it to the ground even if it looks (from the cabin) like a Kamikase pilot :
-)
Practice emergencies and if possible take a few hours in Gliders,- Yes th
ey have better LD and spoilers,- but is a good training.
-
Hope this helps
-
Saludos
Gary Gower.
Here we have- a local Club named (translated) "Survivors of Engine Out La
ndings Club".-
I am a 3 star member (with 3 landings).
We say is So Exclusive that we Dont Want any new members in it :-)
Our Motto:- "Fly Safe, Preflight and Mantain your airplane properly".
--- On Sun, 1/11/09, Roger & Lina Hill <hills@sunflower.com> wrote:
From: Roger & Lina Hill <hills@sunflower.com>
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Open canopy accident
Jay;
-
Being a fellow survivor of a forced landing after my new prop broke off my
601, I can understand what you are saying and I have to agree with your adv
ice to stay calm and fly the plane.- And that=92s not just my opinion eit
her, as I noticed a statistic (while reading Stick and Rudder) that about 7
5% of the time, when a pilot is killed in a forced landing it is because of
LOSS OF CONTROL. What ?????- Yes that=92s right, the pilot dies because
he losses control of the plane. It=92s that simple.- Don=92t=92 loose con
trol, and you probably wont=92 die, you will just land like us.
-
My advice to all of you is to practice power off landings, get use to flyin
g with no power, keeping the speed up and the noise down and don=92t make a
ny radical wing banks or quick panicky stick movements. Just work the probl
em and fly the plane.- It sounds simple, but until you have lost power an
d are coming down, you probably don=92t know how hard it is to keep your he
ad on flying and not on what might happen to you when you touch the ground.
Force landings are something you can train for, so do it and don=92t just
stick your head in the sand and say; it won=92t happen to me.
-
(You might also try flying a combat flight simulator, there is nothing like
being shot down 1000 times=85..)
-
Finally, Jay and I survived, and so can you, just fly the plane and get it
into your head that -your going down, so accept it and just fly the plane
and if you DON=92T=92 loose control of your self, and the plane, your prob
ably going to be fine.
-
Roger Hill
-
-
-
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-serv
er@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jaybannist@cs.com
Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 10:44 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Open canopy accident
-
Friends,
I have been flying about thirty years. I have survived four engine stoppage
s, two on takeoff, one a broken crank at cruise; and a crash. I didn=92t ju
st fall off a turnip truck.- Believe me, when you are faced with death, y
ou are not thinking about what a Monday morning peer review might say about
your performance. You are intent on saving your life. You do not analyze t
he situation.- You react in whatever manner and with whatever methods you
have at your disposal.- Your survival instinct and training are your onl
y resources.- Facing death is not an academic experience. It is purely vi
sceral. -
If your canopy pops open in flight, it will be a different situation and a
different experience from mine. It is not something you can train for.- O
ther than =93stay calm and fly the airplane=94, NO ONE can tell you what to
do or how to react.- You are on your own. It is YOUR life and YOU will d
etermine the outcome.
So, please.- No more advise. No more second guessing.- None of you were
in that cockpit with me so you can't possibly know what I faced.- It is
over and I did the right thing. - I AM ALIVE.
Jay Bannister
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