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1. 04:01 AM - Re: Replace Aileron Controls (John Brumpton)
2. 04:03 AM - Re: Replace Aileron Controls (Debo Cox)
3. 06:42 AM - Re: Replace Aileron Controls (Gig Giacona)
4. 08:34 AM - Re: Replace Aileron Controls (Elden Jacobson)
5. 09:09 AM - Re: Replace Aileron Controls (Bob Fulmer)
6. 10:34 AM - N601JD First Flight (John Davis)
7. 10:47 AM - Re: N601JD First Flight (japhillipsga@aol.com)
8. 11:04 AM - Re: N601JD First Flight (Bill Steer)
9. 12:42 PM - Re: Replace Aileron Controls (PatrickW)
10. 01:02 PM - Corvair engine for sale (Dave Thompson)
11. 01:38 PM - Re: N601JD First Flight (n801bh@netzero.com)
12. 02:15 PM - Re: N601JD First Flight (Gig Giacona)
13. 02:55 PM - Re: Replace Aileron Controls ()
14. 04:44 PM - Re: Re: Open canopy accident (Jeffrey J Paris)
15. 05:11 PM - Handy Tool-Jawhorse (Barrie Smith)
16. 05:50 PM - Re: N601JD First Flight (Ron Lendon)
17. 06:15 PM - Re: N601JD First Flight (cookwithgas)
18. 06:39 PM - Fw: Packing and moving a 601xl (Cndmovn)
19. 09:44 PM - Corvair distributor hold down (Afterfxllc@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Re: Replace Aileron Controls |
Bill
I certainly would be interested if we can twist your arm
Thanks
John
----- Original Message -----
From: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 4:43 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Replace Aileron Controls
Fellows 601XL Builders and Flyers. Well, I finally finished up on
removing the cables from my XL ailerons and replacing them with push
pull tubes. Total cost was about $ 100. and took about a whole weekend
to complete. Sure would have been easier to install them while building.
I made a test flight Saturday morning and I was very pleased with the
results. Control is quicker and more solid to the touch. At slow flight,
in the pattern and steep turns it was more responsive. At greater speeds
the ailerons were about as stiff and heavy as they ever were. I went up
to 2,500 feet and took her up to 155 mph and gave her some shakes trying
to see if a flutter could be caused and nothing. Lastly, the weigh
difference is the push/pull rod system weighs 14.2 ounces more than the
wire system. I didn't write up what I did or the materials nor have I
taken any photos, but if a ground swell of interest and excitement
occurs along with a bunch of pledges to buy me beer at Sun N Fun Bar B Q
this spring I might be persuaded to put together an "How & What". Best
regards, Bill of Georgia
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| Subject: | Re: Replace Aileron Controls |
Hey Bill,
Count me in for a beer! I'd love to see more details on your "cable to pushrod"
mod.
Thanks!
Debo Cox
Nags Head. NC
www.mykitlog.com/debo
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| Subject: | Re: Replace Aileron Controls |
Consider the ground swelling. I'd really like to see how you did it and a materials
and any other instructions.
I won't be a Sun N Fun but I have little doubt that we will cross paths in the
future and if we do the info will be worth several beers.
--------
W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: Replace Aileron Controls |
There are a bunch of us, I suspect, that at a minimum would very much like
to see what you have done; my wings, at this moment, are still open.
-
Elden Jacobson
xl/3300
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--- On Mon, 1/12/09, JAPhillipsGA@aol.com <JAPhillipsGA@aol.com> wrote:
From: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com <JAPhillipsGA@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Replace Aileron Controls
Fellows 601XL Builders and Flyers. Well, I finally finished up on removing
the cables from my XL ailerons and replacing them with push pull tubes. Tot
al cost was about $ 100. and took about a whole weekend to complete. Sure w
ould have been easier to install them while building. I made a test flight
Saturday morning and I was very pleased with the results. Control is quicke
r and more solid to the touch. At slow flight, in the pattern and steep tur
ns it was more responsive. At greater speeds the ailerons were about as sti
ff and heavy as they ever were. I went up to 2,500 feet and took her up to
155 mph and gave her some shakes trying to see if a flutter could be caused
and nothing.-Lastly, the weigh difference is the push/pull rod system we
ighs 14.2 ounces more than the wire system. I didn't write up what I did or
the materials nor have I taken any photos, but if a ground swell of intere
st and excitement occurs along with a bunch of pledges to buy me beer
at Sun N Fun Bar B Q this spring I might be persuaded to put together an "
How & What". Best regards, Bill of Georgia
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| Subject: | Re: Replace Aileron Controls |
Hi:
You can count me in on that beer and ground swell too.....would love to
see the method and material package.
Bob Fulmer
----- Original Message -----
From: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 1:13 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Replace Aileron Controls
Fellows 601XL Builders and Flyers. Well, I finally finished up on
removing the cables from my XL ailerons and replacing them with push
pull tubes. Total cost was about $ 100. and took about a whole weekend
to complete. Sure would have been easier to install them while building.
I made a test flight Saturday morning and I was very pleased with the
results. Control is quicker and more solid to the touch. At slow flight,
in the pattern and steep turns it was more responsive. At greater speeds
the ailerons were about as stiff and heavy as they ever were. I went up
to 2,500 feet and took her up to 155 mph and gave her some shakes trying
to see if a flutter could be caused and nothing. Lastly, the weigh
difference is the push/pull rod system weighs 14.2 ounces more than the
wire system. I didn't write up what I did or the materials nor have I
taken any photos, but if a ground swell of interest and excitement
occurs along with a bunch of pledges to buy me beer at Sun N Fun Bar B Q
this spring I might be persuaded to put together an "How & What". Best
regards, Bill of Georgia
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| Subject: | N601JD First Flight |
N601JD my 601XL with a Jabiru 3300 took to the air for the first time
last Friday at Avery County Airport (7A8) in Spruce Pine, NC. Its a
quickbuild kit that I started in April 07.
The obligatory Youtube video is at
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIVt40B5dLc. Its short and a bit shaky so
be careful if you get motion sickness :-)
The flight went well with only a couple of minor squawks:
1. Need to add a stop to the throttle @ low RPMS to prevent the engine
from stopping when the throttle is pulled too far back to idle. The US
Jabiru guys recommend a small cable stop added to the throttle cable at
the carb to prevent this.
2. Aileron trim is wired backwards, Oops, didn't notice a real need for
the aileron trim though
3. Experiment with my Sensenich Ground adjustable prop and also
re-jetting the Bing carb to maximize performance. CHTs and EGTs looked
good though, perhaps I wont have to spend too much time messing with
cooling issues.
Woo hoo, now only 38 more hours till the end of Phase 1...
If only I had remembered to turn on my in cockpit video recorder, I'll
do that next time...once the darned weather clears up again.
Thanks to all the list members who helped with questions during the
build process.
Thanks,
John Davis
Burnsville, NC
N601JD - 601XL/Jab 3300
Now Flying!!!!
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| Subject: | Re: N601JD First Flight |
John, Congrats! That 1st flight is a big deal as I well remember. Enjoy the next
38 hours cause they will pass quickly as well. Best regards, Bill of Georgia
-----Original Message-----
From: John Davis <johnd@data-tech.com>
Sent: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 1:29 pm
Subject: Zenith-List: N601JD First Flight
?
N601JD my 601XL with a Jabiru 3300 took to the air for the first time last Friday
at Avery County Airport (7A8) in Spruce Pine, NC. Its a quickbuild kit that
I started in April 07.?
?
The obligatory Youtube video is at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIVt40B5dLc. Its short and a bit shaky so be careful if you get motion sickness :-)?
?
The flight went well with only a couple of minor squawks:?
1. Need to add a stop to the throttle @ low RPMS to prevent the engine from stopping
when the throttle is pulled too far back to idle. The US Jabiru guys recommend
a small cable stop added to the throttle cable at the carb to prevent this.?
2. Aileron trim is wired backwards, Oops, didn't notice a real need for the aileron
trim though?
3. Experiment with my Sensenich Ground adjustable prop and also re-jetting the
Bing carb to maximize performance. CHTs and EGTs looked good though, perhaps I
wont have to spend too much time messing with cooling issues.?
?
Woo hoo, now only 38 more hours till the end of Phase 1...?
?
If only I had remembered to turn on my in cockpit video recorder, I'll do that
next time...once the darned weather clears up again.?
?
Thanks to all the list members who helped with questions during the build process.?
?
Thanks,?
John Davis?
Burnsville, NC?
N601JD - 601XL/Jab 3300?
Now Flying!!!!?
?
?
?
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| Subject: | Re: N601JD First Flight |
Congratulations, John! Is Hendersonville in your test area? If so,
c'mon down and we'll compare planes.
Bill
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John Davis wrote:
>
> N601JD my 601XL with a Jabiru 3300 took to the air for the first time
> last Friday at Avery County Airport (7A8) in Spruce Pine, NC. Its a
> quickbuild kit that I started in April 07.
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Replace Aileron Controls |
I'm interested.
Thanks,
- Pat
--------
Patrick
601XL/Corvair
N63PZ (reserved)
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=224328#224328
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| Subject: | Corvair engine for sale |
I have a disassembled, partly cleaned 1965 Corvair RH 110 engine for sale
(TI007RH). The stock size 8409 crank has been polished, magnafluxed and
modified per Flycorvair.com specs. It has NOT been nitrided. The 3878566
heads are very rebuildable. One head has minor repairable damage from 2
dropped valve seats. Cylinders are nice and need only minor honing. The rods
are good cores for rebuilding. All other stock Corvair parts required for
flight modification are included.
I have purchased the following parts from Flycorvair.com which are also
included:
Deep Sump Oil Pan
Oil Pan installation kit, including modified pickup
Rebuilt Rear Oil Accessory Case
Hybrid Studs & safety shaft
Rebuilt, dual bushed distributor, missing the points plate
I will also include a #167 Harbor Freight air rivet puller with Zenith
modified heads and a CD that includes 4-years of research on building a
Zenith 601 and Corvair engine. This research includes webpage favorites,
extensive parts Excel spreadsheet and Microsoft Visio stencils for aircraft
panel design. Also included are printed, three-ring binder copies of the
following:
FAA AC20-27F Certification and Operation of Amateur Aircraft
FAA CAC 43.13-1B/2A, Acceptable Methods, Techniques, and Practices -
Aircraft Inspection & Repair
FAA H 8083-1 Weight & Balance Handbook
FAA AC90-89A, Flight Testing Handbook
Total invested over $1600.00, asking $800.00 or best offer. I will pack for
shipment on a pallet. Buyer pays shipping. I prefer Southern California
pickup. I will not sell any of the parts separately. Buyer should either
have or purchase William Wynne's conversion manual.
Any interested parties please respond off list. I will email a complete
detailed parts list of what I have which also includes parts need for the
full modification.
I no longer read the Zenith list as I have moved to a new hobby with my 1963
Corvair convertible Turbo Spyder.
I look forward to hearing from you,
Dave Thompson
Dave.thompson@verizon.net
714-334-3833
Westminster, California
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| Subject: | Re: N601JD First Flight |
Congrats to you,,,,,
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Ben Haas
N801BH
www.haaspowerair.com
-- John Davis <johnd@data-tech.com> wrote:
N601JD my 601XL with a Jabiru 3300 took to the air for the first time
last Friday at Avery County Airport (7A8) in Spruce Pine, NC. Its a
quickbuild kit that I started in April 07.
The obligatory Youtube video is at
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIVt40B5dLc. Its short and a bit shaky
so
be careful if you get motion sickness :-)
The flight went well with only a couple of minor squawks:
1. Need to add a stop to the throttle @ low RPMS to prevent the engine
from stopping when the throttle is pulled too far back to idle. The US
Jabiru guys recommend a small cable stop added to the throttle cable at
the carb to prevent this.
2. Aileron trim is wired backwards, Oops, didn't notice a real need for
the aileron trim though
3. Experiment with my Sensenich Ground adjustable prop and also
re-jetting the Bing carb to maximize performance. CHTs and EGTs looked
good though, perhaps I wont have to spend too much time messing with
cooling issues.
Woo hoo, now only 38 more hours till the end of Phase 1...
If only I had remembered to turn on my in cockpit video recorder, I'll
do that next time...once the darned weather clears up again.
Thanks to all the list members who helped with questions during the
build process.
Thanks,
John Davis
Burnsville, NC
N601JD - 601XL/Jab 3300
Now Flying!!!!
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| Subject: | Re: N601JD First Flight |
Congratulations !!!!!
I wish they'd had the QB gets when I was a starting.
johnd(at)data-tech.com wrote:
> N601JD my 601XL with a Jabiru 3300 took to the air for the first time
--------
W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=224339#224339
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| Subject: | Re: Replace Aileron Controls |
Sounds very good, Bill. For those of us who can't make S&F, the
basics, (length of tube, material, method of attaching ball ends) would
sure be helpful.
Paul Rodriguez
----- Original Message -----
From: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com<mailto:JAPhillipsGA@aol.com>
To: zenith-list@matronics.com<mailto:zenith-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 12:13 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Replace Aileron Controls
Fellows 601XL Builders and Flyers. Well, I finally finished up on
removing the cables from my XL ailerons and replacing them with push
pull tubes. Total cost was about $ 100. and took about a whole weekend
to complete. Sure would have been easier to install them while building.
I made a test flight Saturday morning and I was very pleased with the
results. Control is quicker and more solid to the touch. At slow flight,
in the pattern and steep turns it was more responsive. At greater speeds
the ailerons were about as stiff and heavy as they ever were. I went up
to 2,500 feet and took her up to 155 mph and gave her some shakes trying
to see if a flutter could be caused and nothing. Lastly, the weigh
difference is the push/pull rod system weighs 14.2 ounces more than the
wire system. I didn't write up what I did or the materials nor have I
taken any photos, but if a ground swell of interest and excitement
occurs along with a bunch of pledges to buy me beer at Sun N Fun Bar B Q
this spring I might be persuaded to put together an "How & What". Best
regards, Bill of Georgia
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| Subject: | Re: Open canopy accident |
Zenith listers,This is a very interesting topic for me and I feel qualified
to add to the conversation. =C2- I have had 2 inadverdant =C2-open canop
y experiences with my CH601XL. =C2-Gratefully no one was injured and no me
tal was bent. =C2-The first opening occured on the second day of my 40 hou
r fligh testing. =C2-Day 1 was a great day and I was eager to fly my newly
fledged bird the following day. =C2-At the time I was flying out of a loc
al grass strip. =C2-As I was taking off I progressed a bit further down th
e field and hit a small bump that made the aircraft jump into the air and po
pping the canopy open at the same time. =C2-Let me say it wasn't anything
like when the old flight instructors trick of a Cessna or Piper door opening
in flight. =C2-THIS SUCKED! My vision was blocked by the canopy, the cano
py could not be shut in flight, the propeller slipstream =C2-pressurized t
he canopy and there was a tremendous amount of drag, confusion, noise, wind
and maps and stuff flying around the cockpit. =C2-The distraction of the e
xperience was intense, however, I did my best to fly the airplane. =C2-Onc
e "stabilized" I was able to climb albeit slowly and I was able to declare a
n emergency, a fellow pilot on the ground was able to talk to me and help me
visually land the plane as I dealt with the canopy moving about. =C2-I la
nded, got my "sh.....t together", said a prayer of thanks, took a little tim
e to check things out and I spent the rest of the day flying my aircraft wit
hout incident.That experience got me thinking and once I got home I realized
that I just wasn't that confident about the latching mechanisms designed by
Zenith and installed by me. =C2-I did some soul =C2-searching and then
some serious research and design and I bought some specialty latches from Mc
Master Carr that would give me some rock solid redundancy in terms of keepin
g my canopy latched. I guess trying to get both barrels to lock while the ca
nopy shifts around is a recipe for one barrel not to fully engage the latch.
=C2-My retrofit works great as long as I use it as you will see by my nex
t sorry tale.After my first experience with the canopy and about a years wor
th of flying with my retrofit latches, I decided to take my Father (and co-b
uilder partner) flying. =C2-I sure everyone has heard of the "sterile cock
pit", well I wish I practiced it on this day. =C2-My Dad bless his heart,
was having all sorts of difficulty's with his seatbealt and then it was some
thing with his headset. =C2-Well in terms of human factors =C2-the error
chain =C2-was forming due to the distractions in trying to get my Pops' c
omfortable in his seat, I basically forgot to use my checklist and =C2-as
a result I forgot to latch my canopy with my retrofit latches. =C2-Run-up
was fine, we took the runway and probably 50 feet in the air all hell broke
loose when the canopy opened in flight. =C2-This time my Zenith was at ver
y close to gross on a 70 degree day and you know what, I scared the bejezzuu
ss out of myself and my poor Dad. =C2-We climbed (really slow), communicat
ed and confessed and then we safely landed. My Father was able to hold the c
anopy down so I could fly the plane with little distraction, but no dice on
getting the canopy to close. =C2-My poor Father was so unerved by the expe
rience that he chose to call it a day, and rightly so, =C2-shame on me as
a pilot and I called it a day as well. =C2-Embarressed you bet, pride hurt
-you know it, feeling very unprofessional and juvenile.First Rule- Always fo
llow your checklist do not commit it to memory don't get comfortable with yo
ur aircraft. =C2-2nd Rule- Sterile cockpit procedures when you have a pass
enger. =C2-3rd Rule ALWAYS FLY THE PLANE!!! =C2-I would not wish these e
xperiences upon my worst enemy. =C2-However, being the novice optimist and
scientist/test pilot I do know one thing that my airplane is flyable with t
he canopy open, it might not be comfortable and its definitely un-nerving, b
ut I know for a fact that my Zenith Zodiac CH601XL will fly as long as I cho
ose to stay with the airplane an fly it no matter what occurs. =C2-I'm not
enamoured with the canopy design in my iteration of the airplane, but it is
what it is and I have a very healthy respect for it.I'm in no way trying to
scare anyone. =C2-Just be careful!!! careful!!! careful!!! =C2-I have 2
50 plus hours on my 601/Jabiru3300 aircraft, she is my pride and joy. =C2
-The intimate knowledge and education of building one's airplane is nothin
g short of an incredible life experience that I would not trade or change.
=C2-I am having the time of my life and the myriad of individuals that I h
ave met in the experimental home building world are just class people for su
re.So don't give up before the miracle happens. =C2-Just learn from your m
istakes stay humble and be open to change and always remember to fly the pla
ne.Sincerely,=C2-Jeff Paris N196ZP CH601XL Jabiru 3300EAA Tech. Counselor
Chapter 44 Rochester, NYAlso in process of building a Europa Classic Monowhe
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| Subject: | Handy Tool-Jawhorse |
Hey Gang,
I'm pretty new to the list but I'd like to share a tool I've found to be
quite handy over the years. I'm sure many of you know already and some have
probably shared it here at one point but anywho, it's called the Jawhorse.
It's like a saw horse and vise in one collapsable unit. Some great features
include; easy storage, very stable, almost all steel, the "vise" is foot
activated, the jaw will hold material up to 36" in width. It's awesome when
you need that extra set of hands, great for drilling metal and wood. You
can see it here http://www.performancetoolcenter.com/rk9000.html Scroll
down and there's a cool video.
Barrie Smith
Spring Hill, FL
-Just starting CH650/Jab3300 - N650BS-
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in FRONT of that 757"
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| Subject: | Re: N601JD First Flight |
Congratulations John.
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Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI
WW Corvair with Roy's Garage 5th bearing
Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-)
http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon
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| Subject: | Re: N601JD First Flight |
Yeah Baby! Let the fun begin. Congratulations!
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| Subject: | Fwd: Packing and moving a 601xl |
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From: Cndmovn <cndmovn@gmail.com>
Subject: Packing and moving a 601xl
Here is a handy tip. If you have to move/store a 601xl they fit perfectly
into a 16ft POD storage unit. I hung my wings on the sides via the cargo
straps I used to pull the wing skin down. I tied the tail up in with the
eyelet in the unit at the rear and blocked the wheels to the floor. I also
used a cargo strap to pull the main wheel down to the floor at the front.
There was 2" to spare between the wheel and the door on the unit.
Cheers!
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| Subject: | Corvair distributor hold down |
I have had these distributor hold downs made and if anyone wants one please
send me a message off list and I will get your information.
They are made from 304 stainless and come with the self locking nut and
washer.
I myself check the distributor before every flight and don't like the wire
hold downs that Chevy used on the corvair so I had these made and as far as I
know they weren't copied from anyone because I would have bought one if they
were available. Auto Zone sells one for like $15.00 but this one is much
stronger and won't rust.
Here are some pics of it.
Jeff Garrett
Louisville Ky.
601XL N962T Aerolite Corvair 90%
601XL N524B Aerolite Corvair 155 Hrs
601XL N2257 Aerolite Corvair 85 Hrs
_www.aeroliteproducts.com_ (http://www.aeroliteproducts.com/)
_www.project601xl.com_ (http://www.project601xl.com/)
_www.aerolite.camstreams.com_ (http://www.aerolite.camstreams.com/)
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