---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 01/14/09: 30 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:36 AM - Cleaning off windshield protection after 2 years sitting (Geoff Heap) 2. 05:43 AM - Re: Cleaning off windshield protection after 2 years sitting (jaybannist@cs.com) 3. 05:56 AM - Re: Cleaning off windshield protection after 2 years sitting (Bill Steer) 4. 06:34 AM - Re: Open canopy accident (Gig Giacona) 5. 06:39 AM - Re: Cleaning off windshield protection after 2 years sitting (Geoff Heap) 6. 06:48 AM - Re: Cleaning off windshield protection after 2 years sitting (dingfelder) 7. 08:43 AM - Jabiru Engine Maintenance & Rebuild Seminar (Pete Krotje) 8. 09:11 AM - Re: Jabiru Engine Maintenance & Rebuild Seminar (Tim Juhl) 9. 12:43 PM - Re: Cleaning off windshield protection after 2 years sitting () 10. 02:54 PM - To all that have been inspected... (Gig Giacona) 11. 03:06 PM - Re: To all that have been inspected... (jaybannist@cs.com) 12. 03:17 PM - Re: To all that have been inspected... (Bryan Martin) 13. 03:38 PM - Re: To all that have been inspected... (Bryan Martin) 14. 03:38 PM - Re: To all that have been inspected... (Sabrina) 15. 03:45 PM - Re: To all that have been inspected... (sdthatcher) 16. 03:52 PM - Re: To all that have been inspected... (Leo Gates) 17. 03:53 PM - Re: To all that have been inspected... (Tim Juhl) 18. 04:17 PM - Re: To all that have been inspected... (George Race) 19. 04:44 PM - Re: Re: Open canopy accident (Tim Shankland) 20. 05:28 PM - Re: Re: Open canopy accident (Terry Phillips) 21. 05:32 PM - Re: To all that have been inspected... (cookwithgas) 22. 05:39 PM - Re: Re: Jabiru Engine Maintenance & Rebuild Seminar. (Gary Gower) 23. 06:01 PM - To all that have been inspected... (Dan Wilde) 24. 07:13 PM - Airworthyness inspections (passpat@aol.com) 25. 07:23 PM - Re: Re: Open canopy accident. (Gary Gower) 26. 07:24 PM - Re: Airworthyness inspections (steve) 27. 07:33 PM - Re: Airworthyness inspections (passpat@aol.com) 28. 07:40 PM - Re: Corvair engine for sale (Dave Thompson) 29. 08:33 PM - Re: Re: Open canopy accident (Roger & Lina Hill) 30. 08:52 PM - Re: To all that have been inspected... (dingfelder) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:36:10 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Cleaning off windshield protection after 2 years sitting From: "Geoff Heap" My windshield has been sitting on my open porch for over 2 years. I'll be installing it soon. After that I have to clean off the 2 year old protection on it. it looks opaque nasty and hardened. any suggestion on what to use. My 1st thought was sandpaper. Really, I'm kidding....Geoff 701 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=224690#224690 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:43:31 AM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Cleaning off windshield protection after 2 years sitting From: jaybannist@cs.com Geoff. My canopy bubble stayed wrapped up for about six months.? I unwrapped it to do the initial canopy fitting.? It sat under my fuselage on a sheet of that "sponge paper" ZAC uses for packing for about a year.? I had it on and off the canopy frame at least a dozen times. I peeled off strips at the screw holes to do the clecoeing and fastening.? I scored the sheet where I wanted to peel the strips.? Don't do that !? I got barely visible scratches in the acrylic from that scoring. That protective sheet was really looking groady by this time.? When it came time to peel it, it came off with no problem. It was really neat to see that crystal clear plastic after looking at that dirty, opaque protective sheet for so long. I don't think you will have any problem. Jay in Dallas Do not archive My windshield has been sitting on my open porch for over 2 years. I'll be installing it soon. After that I have to clean off the 2 year old protection on it. it looks opaque nasty and hardened. any suggestion on what to use. My 1st thought was sandpaper. Really, I'm kidding....Geoff 701 ________________________________________________________________________ Email message sent from CompuServe - visit us today at http://www.cs.com ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:56:31 AM PST US From: Bill Steer Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Cleaning off windshield protection after 2 years sitting Like Jay, mine sat around for a while - five years in my case. But it never sat outside and never in the sun. I peeled back the protective material with no problem after that time. Try peeling it back at a corner. If it won't come, try spraying a little Lemon Pledge on the edge and see if that helps. The Pledge won't hurt the canopy. Bill Geoff Heap wrote: > > My windshield has been sitting on my open porch for over 2 years. I'll be installing it soon. After that I have to clean off the 2 year old protection on it. it looks opaque nasty and hardened. any suggestion on what to use. My 1st thought was sandpaper. Really, I'm kidding....Geoff 701 > > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:34:42 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Open canopy accident From: "Gig Giacona" If you happen to be using a Dynon EMS (and probably some of the others as well) there are a couple of extra ports that can be used for just that. I probably will add that feature at some point. hills(at)sunflower.com wrote: > Howdy all; > > Reading this Jeffs stories, Im starting to think a CANOPY UNLATCHED safety light on the dash might be in order. Has anyone installed one on their plane? > > Roger > > -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=224702#224702 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:39:46 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Cleaning off windshield protection after 2 years sitting From: "Geoff Heap" Thanks Jay. I hope it comes off as you say but my porch is enclosed only with screen. Its unprotected from the weather, hot and cold. I can visualize unwrapping it to see that pristine clarity. Otherwise I'll have to use the emery cloth or maybe a disc grinder....Geoff DO NOT ARCHIVE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=224703#224703 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:48:45 AM PST US From: "dingfelder" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Cleaning off windshield protection after 2 years sitting Isopropyl alcohol dry gas melts the film, harmless to the canopy. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:43:55 AM PST US From: "Pete Krotje" Subject: Zenith-List: Jabiru Engine Maintenance & Rebuild Seminar Jabiru USA's next engine seminar is scheduled for March 13 - 15, 2009. There are only a few openings left in this class so if you have an interest please contact us soon. This is a hands on class where we take an engine through a top overhaul as well as learn about installation and maintenance issues. Please contact us at info@usjabiru.com if interested or visit www.usjabiru.com for details. The next seminar after that will be May 15th - 17th Pete Krotje Jabiru USA Sport Aircraft, LLC 931-680-2800 www.usjabiru.com ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:11:01 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Jabiru Engine Maintenance & Rebuild Seminar From: "Tim Juhl" I attended this class last May and can tell you that it was a very worthwhile experience. If you are going to use a Jabiru engine you should consider it. Tim Juhl -------- ______________ CFII Champ L16A flying Zodiac XL - Jabiru 3300A Working on fuselage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=224727#224727 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:43:30 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Cleaning off windshield protection after 2 years sitting Geoff, hand sanding takes too long. A sandblaster will remove the protective coating much quicker. Heck, you're IFR qualified anyway, right? Paul Rodriguez ----- Original Message ----- From: Geoff Heap To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 6:34 AM Subject: Zenith-List: Cleaning off windshield protection after 2 years sitting > My windshield has been sitting on my open porch for over 2 years. I'll be installing it soon. After that I have to clean off the 2 year old protection on it. it looks opaque nasty and hardened. any suggestion on what to use. My 1st thought was sandpaper. Really, I'm kidding....Geoff 701 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=224690#224690 http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 02:54:51 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: To all that have been inspected... From: "Gig Giacona" If you have had your airworthiness inspection done what did you pay for he DAR? -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=224783#224783 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 03:06:39 PM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: To all that have been inspected... From: jaybannist@cs.com I'd also like to know how long it was from when you got your "pink slip" (temporary Airworthiness Certificate) until you got the "real thing" ? Jay in Dallas Do not archive If you have had your airworthiness inspection done what did you pay for he DAR? ________________________________________________________________________ Email message sent from CompuServe - visit us today at http://www.cs.com ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 03:17:23 PM PST US From: Bryan Martin Subject: Re: Zenith-List: To all that have been inspected... I paid $350 in 2004. On Jan 14, 2009, at 5:53 PM, Gig Giacona wrote: > > If you have had your airworthiness inspection done what did you pay > for he DAR? > > -------- > W.R. "Gig" Giacona > 601XL Under Construction > See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR > -- Bryan Martin N61BM, CH 601 XL, RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive. do not archive. ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 03:38:10 PM PST US From: Bryan Martin Subject: Re: Zenith-List: To all that have been inspected... I can't recall exactly how long it took to get the permanent certificate but I think it was less than a month. On Jan 14, 2009, at 6:05 PM, jaybannist@cs.com wrote: > > I'd also like to know how long it was from when you got your "pink > slip" (temporary Airworthiness Certificate) until you got the "real > thing" ? > > > If you have had your airworthiness inspection done what did you pay > for he DAR? > -- Bryan Martin N61BM, CH 601 XL, RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive. do not archive. ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 03:38:11 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: To all that have been inspected... From: "Sabrina" pink January white July 4 digits given as ballpark figure Went through the FAA instead: free Thank you. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=224788#224788 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 03:45:13 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: To all that have been inspected... From: "sdthatcher" On Dec 15, 2007 I paid my DAR $500 for the inspection. I believe it was higher than normal because it was close to the holidays and the deadline for the special E-LSA registrations were fast closing in on me. He said he was already starting to be completely booked for the following January. Jay... I don't recall how long it took to get the AC but I did get it last year some time. -------- Scott Thatcher, Palm Beach Gardens, FL 601XL with Corvair, Registered as E-LSA N601EL, EAA203 25 hours and climbing. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=224791#224791 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 03:52:08 PM PST US From: Leo Gates Subject: Re: Zenith-List: To all that have been inspected... In 2004 mine was free. Done by the past president of the local EAA chapter. He did inspections for chapter members free. :-) I was handed the "real pink slip" at the end of the inspection. -- Leo Gates N601Z - CH601HDS TDO Rotax 912UL Gig Giacona wrote: > > If you have had your airworthiness inspection done what did you pay for he DAR? > > -------- > W.R. "Gig" Giacona > 601XL Under Construction > See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 03:53:24 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: To all that have been inspected... From: "Tim Juhl" Check with the A&P's in your area and see if the local FSDO has any inspectors that they've had good luck working with on field inspections and the like. Then I would suggest contacting the inspector directly and asking how long it would take to get the FAA (hopefully him) to come out and do it. To my surprise we've had good luck getting two different inspectors from the Detroit FSDO to come out the 100 miles to our little airport and all it cost us was lunch. Good luck! Tim -------- ______________ CFII Champ L16A flying Zodiac XL - Jabiru 3300A Working on fuselage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=224795#224795 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 04:17:10 PM PST US From: "George Race" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: To all that have been inspected... Had my inspection done by an FAA Inspector from one of our FAA FSDO's. Took 6 days from the time I turned in my paperwork until the actual inspection. No Charge and when he left I had all the final documents in hand. Also don't forget to apply for your Repairmans Certificate at the same time. It took about 30 days to get my "Plastic" card from the FAA. It looks just like your "Plastic" Pilots License. George - N73EX -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gig Giacona Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 5:53 PM Subject: Zenith-List: To all that have been inspected... If you have had your airworthiness inspection done what did you pay for he DAR? -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 04:44:30 PM PST US From: Tim Shankland Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Open canopy accident Roger, When I built the frame of my canopy I installed two micro switches with plunger that extend out the bottom. Those go to an alarm panel I have. The panel uses bi color LEDs (red, green). I have two for my fuel valve position, two for the canopy two for the cowling one for alternator and one for engine water level. Tim Shankland Roger & Lina Hill wrote: > Howdy all; > > > > Reading this Jeffs stories, I'm starting to think a "CANOPY UNLATCHED" > safety light on the dash might be in order. Has anyone installed one > on their plane? > > > > Roger > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeffrey J > Paris > Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 6:42 PM > To: zenith-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Open canopy accident > > > -----Original Message----- > From: "skyridersbn" [skyridersbn@yahoo.com] > Date: 01/11/2009 01:40 PM > To: zenith-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Open canopy accident > > Note: Original message sent as attachment > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > Heating and Cooling Systems > > > Save on a home Heating and Cooling System. Click Now! > > > Click Here For More Information > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 05:28:58 PM PST US From: Terry Phillips Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Open canopy accident Roger If you are really serious about this, you should check out Al Wick's glass panel group, http://groups.yahoo.com/group/GlassPanel/ He does some interesting things with his approach which utililizes a Programmable Logic Controller. With a PLC you can have audible warnings, which may have significant advantages during stressful parts of a flight. In essence his glass panel would replace an EIS but add as many other alarms as you'd like to wire into your system. E.g., right now one member of the group is looking for folks who'd be interested in buying into a small production run of a radar ground detector (for maybe, $300). Terry At 07:43 PM 1/14/2009 -0500, you wrote: >Roger, >When I built the frame of my canopy I installed two micro switches with >plunger that extend out the bottom. Those go to an alarm panel I have. The >panel uses bi color LEDs (red, green). I have two for my fuel valve >position, two for the canopy two for the cowling one for alternator and >one for engine water level. >Tim Shankland > >Roger & Lina Hill wrote: >> >>Howdy all; >> >> >> >>Reading this Jeffs stories, I'm starting to think a "CANOPY UNLATCHED" >>safety light on the dash might be in order. Has anyone installed one >>on their plane? >> >> >> >>Roger > > >Terry Phillips ZBAGer >ttp44~at~rkymtn.net >Corvallis MT >601XL/Jab 3300 s .. l .. o .. o .. w build kit - Tail, flaps, & ailerons >are done; working on the wings >http://www.mykitlog.com/N47TP/ ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 05:32:41 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: To all that have been inspected... From: "cookwithgas" Used: FAA Time: six months (needed to upgrade my wiring skills) Dollar Cost: Free Flying when I want: Priceless Scott Laughlin 601XL/Corvair 120 hours Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=224823#224823 ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 05:39:01 PM PST US From: Gary Gower Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Jabiru Engine Maintenance & Rebuild Seminar. Even if you are not planning to use the Jabiru engine,- you should consid er going,- I am sure you will change your mind and buy Jabiru.- :-) - Like Tim Said.--I had the chance to be-there last year (March 2008) - is really a great Seminar. The Jabiru Team are-First Class.- All of them...--Very Proffesional,-Helpfull and Friendly,-even for experi enced Aircraft Mechanics, always something new to learn for the (almost) "k now it all",- like myself :-).- - Out of the seminar: Save some time (buy your return ticket for at least a d ay after) to visit the Beachcraft Museum, only a few miles from there (take your "turn left in 500 ft..".-S**t!... "recalculating"- GPS- :-).- Loved that gadget as a foreign turist.- - Very rewarding for me, both professional (Jabiru course)- and personal (G reat people, wonderful area to visit, local food,-the Bell Bucke Cafe ( a "I Have To Go" place!).- - Saludos Gary Gower That TN area:- One of the-"must visit area" when (if) I fly my airplane to OSH. Never a straight line flying in a Homebuilt,-that's for airlines -:-) - DO NOT ARCHIVE. --- On Wed, 1/14/09, Tim Juhl wrote: From: Tim Juhl Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Jabiru Engine Maintenance & Rebuild Seminar I attended this class last May and can tell you that it was a very worthwhi le experience. If you are going to use a Jabiru engine you should consider it .. Tim Juhl -------- ______________ CFII Champ L16A flying Zodiac XL - Jabiru 3300A Working on fuselage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=224727#224727 =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 06:01:05 PM PST US From: Dan Wilde Subject: Zenith-List: To all that have been inspected... My inspection cost $500 back in Dec 2007. Dan Wilde ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 07:13:42 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Airworthyness inspections From: passpat@aol.com ? List ? Just a note about your inspections. The only time you would a issue temporary cert. is if the DAR was concerned about the aircraft being ok for unlimited time. ? I am a AB-DAR and have completed many inspections in the last few years.? I was in the first EAA-FAA AB-DAR class at Oak City and have been back to?a refresher coarse every year.? Also in the?spirit of amateur built and the EAA support?I try to keep the fees reasonable. ? This being said I don't charge for the inspection, but charge for the paperwork and mileage both to and from the site where the aircraft is hangered. ?Ernest L?(Pat) Patterson ?FAA-AB-DAR?-FAA-A/P EAA-Tech Councilor ?passpat@aol.com ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 07:23:40 PM PST US From: Gary Gower Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Open canopy accident. Hello Tim, - Great idea,--mean while the airpalne is ready, can use them in the- X mas.-tree. -:-)- :-)- :-) - Sorry Tim , just a little joke.- Do not archive. - Saludos Gary Gower Simplificate and add lightness. Gen. Billy Mitchell It seems that perfection is attained not when there is nothing more to add, but when there is nothing more to remove. Antoine de Saint-Exupery Strive for design simplicity, you never have to fix anything you leave out. Bill Lear. --- On Wed, 1/14/09, Tim Shankland wrote: From: Tim Shankland Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Open canopy accident Roger, When I built the frame of my canopy I installed two micro switches with plu nger that extend out the bottom. Those go to an alarm panel I have. The pan el uses bi color LEDs (red, green). I have two for my fuel valve position, two for the canopy two for the cowling one for alternator and one for engin e water level. Tim Shankland Roger & Lina Hill wrote: Howdy all; - Reading this Jeffs stories, I=92m starting to think a =93CANOPY UNLATCHED =94 safety light on the dash might be in order. Has anyone installed one on - their plane? - Roger - - From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-serv er@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeffrey J Paris Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 6:42 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Open canopy accident -----Original Message----- From: "skyridersbn" [skyridersbn@yahoo.com] Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Open canopy accident Note: Original message sent as attachment -- Heating and Cooling Systems Save on a home Heating and Cooling System. Click Now! Click Here For More Information - - =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 07:24:42 PM PST US From: "steve" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Airworthyness inspections Ok So, where are you located Mr. Patterson ? I think there are a few of us ready for the inspection. I m 90 miles southeast of Las Vegas.... Steve Weston Ready in two weeks..... ----- Original Message ----- From: passpat@aol.com To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 8:12 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Airworthyness inspections List Just a note about your inspections. The only time you would a issue temporary cert. is if the DAR was concerned about the aircraft being ok for unlimited time. I am a AB-DAR and have completed many inspections in the last few years. I was in the first EAA-FAA AB-DAR class at Oak City and have been back to a refresher coarse every year. Also in the spirit of amateur built and the EAA support I try to keep the fees reasonable. This being said I don't charge for the inspection, but charge for the paperwork and mileage both to and from the site where the aircraft is hangered. Ernest L (Pat) Patterson FAA-AB-DAR -FAA-A/P EAA-Tech Councilor passpat@aol.com ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 07:33:23 PM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Airworthyness inspections From: passpat@aol.com Kentucky near Louisville Sorry do not archive -----Original Message----- From: steve Sent: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 10:23 pm Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Airworthyness inspections Ok ? So, where are you located Mr. Patterson ? ? I think there are a few of us ready for the inspection. ? I m 90 miles southeast of Las Vegas.... ? Steve Weston Ready in two weeks..... ----- Original Message ----- From: passpat@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 8:12 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Airworthyness inspections ? List ? Just a note about your inspections. The only time you would a issue temporary cert. is if the DAR was concerned about the aircraft being ok for unlimited time. ? I am a AB-DAR and have completed many inspections in the last few years.? I was in the first EAA-FAA AB-DAR class at Oak City and have been back to?a refresher coarse every year.? Also in the?spirit of amateur built and the EAA support?I try to keep the fees reasonable. ? This being said I don't charge for the inspection, but charge for the paperwork and mileage both to and from the site where the aircraft is hangered. ?Ernest L?(Pat) Patterson ?FAA-AB-DAR?-FAA-A/P EAA-Tech Councilor ?passpat@aol.com href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List">http://www.matronhref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 07:40:25 PM PST US From: "Dave Thompson" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Corvair engine for sale Thanks guys, The Corvair engine has been sold. Dave Thompson ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 08:33:03 PM PST US From: "Roger & Lina Hill" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Open canopy accident Terry; Yes I program PLCs too, that's not a bad idea, but most run on 24VDC or more, so my 12v system would need an additional DC-DC converter (it's not cheap either). I like Tim's idea about the bi-colored LED, that way you know that the lamp is not burned out or something. I put a secondary slide lock on my 601, it has a side opening canopy and has popped open a few times on the ground, so I added the locks just to be sure, but I'm thinking about a XL stile on my next plane. Roger _____ From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Terry Phillips Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 7:27 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Open canopy accident Roger If you are really serious about this, you should check out Al Wick's glass panel group, http://groups.yahoo.com/group/GlassPanel/ He does some interesting things with his approach which utililizes a Programmable Logic Controller. With a PLC you can have audible warnings, which may have significant advantages during stressful parts of a flight. In essence his glass panel would replace an EIS but add as many other alarms as you'd like to wire into your system. E.g., right now one member of the group is looking for folks who'd be interested in buying into a small production run of a radar ground detector (for maybe, $300). Terry At 07:43 PM 1/14/2009 -0500, you wrote: Roger, When I built the frame of my canopy I installed two micro switches with plunger that extend out the bottom. Those go to an alarm panel I have. The panel uses bi color LEDs (red, green). I have two for my fuel valve position, two for the canopy two for the cowling one for alternator and one for engine water level. Tim Shankland Roger & Lina Hill wrote: Howdy all; Reading this Jeffs stories, I=12m starting to think a =13CANOPY UNLATCHED=14 safety light on the dash might be in order. Has anyone installed one on their plane? Roger Terry Phillips ZBAGer ttp44~at~rkymtn.net Corvallis MT 601XL/Jab 3300 s .. l .. o .. o .. w build kit - Tail, flaps, & ailerons are done; working on the wings http://www.mykitlog.com/N47TP/ ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 08:52:20 PM PST US From: "dingfelder" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: To all that have been inspected... I used the Allegheny FSDO (Pittsburgh, PA). They were very professional and excellent to work with. 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