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1. 06:16 AM - Question about the incidence change in the Zodiac 650 (William Dominguez)
2. 07:21 AM - Re: Question about the incidence change in the Zodiac 650 (Gig Giacona)
3. 07:36 AM - Re: Question about the incidence change in the Zodiac 650 (Larry Winger)
4. 07:41 AM - Re: To all that have been inspected... (sdthatcher)
5. 08:19 AM - Re: To all that have been inspected... (Gig Giacona)
6. 10:59 AM - Re: Question about the incidence change in the Zodiac 650 (Sabrina)
7. 12:19 PM - Re: Replace Aileron Controls (Thruster87)
8. 01:07 PM - Engine Rises from the Crate!!!! (lwhitlow)
9. 01:47 PM - Re: Question about the incidence change in the Zodiac 650 (Ken Lilja)
10. 04:26 PM - Re: Question about the incidence change in the Zodiac 650 (Sabrina)
11. 05:33 PM - Re: Question about the incidence change in the Zodiac 650 (Juan Vega)
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| Subject: | Question about the incidence change in the Zodiac 650 |
Hi guys,
I would like to know if the there's any change in the center spar or the wing ribs
of the Zodiac 650. I need to know in order to decide if I'm going to upgrade
my plans.
I'm building a 601XL and I would like mine to have the wing incidence of the 650.
I like the idea of better visibility during approach.
I'm plans building and I already build all of my wing ribs and I will start making
the center spar very soon. If there is a change in the center spar but not
on the ribs I'm still on time to include this change and I will upgrade the plans,
but if the ribs are different, then I'm too late and I would not upgrade
and keep the 601XL incidence.
Thanks
William Dominguez
Zodiac 601XL Plans
Miami Florida
http://www.geocities.com/bill_dom
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| Subject: | Re: Question about the incidence change in the Zodiac 650 |
One easy way to change the incidence during approach is to lower the flaps.
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W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | Re: Question about the incidence change in the Zodiac 650 |
Good news, William. No change in the ribs or center spar. The 650 wings
are virtually the same as the 601XL. The primary changes required for the
new angle of incidence are in the front & rear wing uprights (65-B-13-1 & 2)
and the attach plate (65-B-5-4).
Larry Winger
601XL/650 with Corvair
Fuselage 95% done
On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 6:13 AM, William Dominguez <bill_dom@yahoo.com>wrote:
> Hi guys,
>
> I would like to know if the there's any change in the center spar or the
> wing ribs of the Zodiac 650. I need to know in order to decide if I'm going
> to upgrade my plans.
>
> I'm building a 601XL and I would like mine to have the wing incidence of
> the 650. I like the idea of better visibility during approach.
>
> I'm plans building and I already build all of my wing ribs and I will start
> making the center spar very soon. If there is a change in the center spar
> but not on the ribs I'm still on time to include this change and I will
> upgrade the plans, but if the ribs are different, then I'm too late and I
> would not upgrade and keep the 601XL incidence.
>
> Thanks
>
> William Dominguez
> Zodiac 601XL Plans
> Miami Florida
> http://www.geocities.com/bill_dom
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: To all that have been inspected... |
It sounds like you're getting close Gig! It also sounds like your DAR is a good
one although I have discovered that both the FAA and DARs have their fair share
of less than thorough inspections. And I don't think that $500 is out of
line for DARs. In some cases they may only do a few per month, but they are there
quickly (usually) and the training they need is considerable. Of course
free is almost always better.
Don't forget to send that first flight pic to me (of your 601XL with a WW Corvair engine) at http://zenvair.com so I can get it in the lineup!
Gig Giacona wrote:
> I posted the question because I'm quickly nearing that point and I have contacted
the FSDO and they said they do it for free but other than the issue that
they will do it when they get around to it there are some other drawbacks to them
doing it.
>
> They highly recommended a guy who I spoke with and who has even created a website
to help those being inspected.
>
> http://www.spava.com/DART.html
>
> On this website is the check list he uses.
>
> http://www.spava.com/AmateurBuilt.html
>
> He also, included in the $500 + mileage he charges, does a lot of the paperwork
prior to coming down including the paperwork for the repairman's certificate.
>
> I've talked to two guys who he has inspected and they both gave him great reviews.
>
> The links above will be of interest to anyone who is has never had an inspection.
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Scott Thatcher, Palm Beach Gardens, FL
601XL with Corvair, Registered as E-LSA
N601EL, EAA203 25 hours and climbing.
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| Subject: | Re: To all that have been inspected... |
There are good and bad in every vocation and advocation. I think I'm going to get
my money's worth out of this DAR. I think it is interesting in fact that the
head of the FSDO airworthiness division is who first told me to contact this
guy. In fact he mentioned that he might join the DAR when he comes to El Dorado
because it has been a while since anyone from his office had been to El Dorado
and because since it had been so long since he did an EX-AB inspection that
he needed to get re-certified and that this inspector was one of the few DARs
that was certified to certify FAA personnel.
The main reason he suggested to use a DAR in general was that if the FAA finds
a problems that can't be fixed quickly is that they must terminate the inspection
and start from the beginning when they return. A DAR is not limited this way.
He can do the inspection and then return and only cover the issue that wasn't
previously right and can even issue the AW certificate with a limitation that
the issue be fixed before the AW certificate is in full force.
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W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | Re: Question about the incidence change in the Zodiac 650 |
If there is no change to the center spar or center spar webs, then they will not
lay flush against the cabin floor, the lower spar webs were bent for the original
angle of incidence... it is one thing to bend the rear bottom center spar
web two additional degrees, it is another thing to unbend the forward spar
web of a 601XL center spar section to make it fit the new 650 angle of incidence.
Correct?
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| Subject: | Re: Replace Aileron Controls |
Would like to see some pics as my wing skins have not yet been riveted and I'm
keen to go the push pull rod path as well.[the Europa from England has been using
push/pull rods with great success for years] Cheers
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| Subject: | Engine Rises from the Crate!!!! |
Finally got my engine out of the crate and up on the firewall.
Man, That Jabiru is one pretty piece of machine work..
Larry
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| Subject: | Re: Question about the incidence change in the Zodiac 650 |
I have been wondering if the incidence change would also make rotation
for takeoff easier. Less of the "pop-off" that I see in some videos.
It might be closer to flying itself off the runway.
Ken Lilja
William Dominguez wrote:
> Hi guys,
>
> I would like to know if the there's any change in the center spar or
> the wing ribs of the Zodiac 650. I need to know in order to decide if
> I'm going to upgrade my plans.
>
> I'm building a 601XL and I would like mine to have the wing incidence
> of the 650. I like the idea of better visibility during approach.
>
> I'm plans building and I already build all of my wing ribs and I will
> start making the center spar very soon. If there is a change in the
> center spar but not on the ribs I'm still on time to include this
> change and I will upgrade the plans, but if the ribs are different,
> then I'm too late and I would not upgrade and keep the 601XL incidence.
>
> Thanks
>
> William Dominguez
> Zodiac 601XL Plans
> Miami Florida
> http://www.geocities.com/bill_dom
>
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| Subject: | Re: Question about the incidence change in the Zodiac 650 |
Ken,
A way of avoiding the pop off you describe is to change the aircraft's decalage
by tilting the horizontal stabilizer down 2 degrees.
I have never understood how CZAW or the 650 can change the angle of incident of
the wing without changing the thrust line of the engine.
William,
Another way of gaining 2 degrees of additional view on the Zodiac is to not install
front canopy flashing 6C3-7 as shown in 6-C-3 page 10 of 11.
Since you are plans building, you may be the first 650 owner with the center spar
web set to the correct angles from the start. 6W4-1, 6W4-2
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| Subject: | Re: Question about the incidence change in the Zodiac 650 |
pop off has nothing to do with incendence of wing, but the landing gear set up.
if the wheels are aft of the cg line, it takes back stick to unstick the plane.
if you have the wheels in closer to the cg, the plane takes of on its own
with the right trim in place.
Juan
-----Original Message-----
>From: Ken Lilja <planes_by_ken@bellsouth.net>
>Sent: Jan 17, 2009 4:44 PM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Question about the incidence change in the Zodiac 650
>
>I have been wondering if the incidence change would also make rotation
>for takeoff easier. Less of the "pop-off" that I see in some videos.
>It might be closer to flying itself off the runway.
>Ken Lilja
>
>William Dominguez wrote:
>> Hi guys,
>>
>> I would like to know if the there's any change in the center spar or
>> the wing ribs of the Zodiac 650. I need to know in order to decide if
>> I'm going to upgrade my plans.
>>
>> I'm building a 601XL and I would like mine to have the wing incidence
>> of the 650. I like the idea of better visibility during approach.
>>
>> I'm plans building and I already build all of my wing ribs and I will
>> start making the center spar very soon. If there is a change in the
>> center spar but not on the ribs I'm still on time to include this
>> change and I will upgrade the plans, but if the ribs are different,
>> then I'm too late and I would not upgrade and keep the 601XL incidence.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> William Dominguez
>> Zodiac 601XL Plans
>> Miami Florida
>> http://www.geocities.com/bill_dom
>>
>
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