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1. 12:01 AM - Re: Wing main spars serials (Craig Payne)
2. 04:43 AM - Re: EAA's Experimenter, back again! (leinad)
3. 06:05 AM - Re: Spinners (jaybannist@cs.com)
4. 08:26 AM - Re: Gauges (Roger Lee)
5. 08:47 AM - Re: Spinners (leinad)
6. 09:15 AM - REF FAA Insp and need for battery cover on sealed BATTERY's (Geoff Heap)
7. 09:30 AM - Re: Spinners (John Smith)
8. 09:57 AM - Spinner (jaybannist@cs.com)
9. 12:31 PM - Re: Spinner (leinad)
10. 12:43 PM - Re: Wing main spars serials (pavel569)
11. 01:23 PM - Re: Spinner (Gig Giacona)
12. 01:47 PM - New Australian Airworthiness Directive for Canopy (John Davis)
13. 03:34 PM - Re: Re: Spinner (Afterfxllc@aol.com)
14. 08:35 PM - Re: CH601 XL Aileron Push Rods. (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com)
15. 09:11 PM - Re: Spinners (Afterfxllc@aol.com)
16. 10:26 PM - Re: New Australian Airworthiness Directive for Canopy (chris Sinfield)
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| Subject: | Wing main spars serials |
I've attached pictures of the three spar data plates and paper labels from
my 2007-vintage QBK. The "81" number is the "manufacturing number" of the
entire QBK. I'm not sure what the work order numbers "6812" (torn label),
"6813" and "6814" on the paper labels represent. None of them are the serial
number on my plans (or even close).
Somebody at the factory in Mexico, MO (Caleb or Roger or Michael at QSP)
told me that when mine were made they were made in matching sets
(left/center/right). But that at some later time they had improved their
processes to the point that matching a set was no longer needed. I believe
that all the spars are made at Zenith/Canada.
I would definitely get an answer from the factory.
-- Craig
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Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 6:01 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Wing main spars serials
Today I was about to start working on the center section of main spar. I've
unpacked it (now I know, I should do it when itemizing the kit - I've just
checked the presence of the spar) and I've realized that the serial numbers
don't match. My wing spars # are identical but different from the center
section. I've already emailed ZAC about it. Do you, anyone, have the same
experience?
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| Subject: | Re: EAA's Experimenter, back again! |
Hints for homebuilders is great!
Thanks Pat!
Dan Dempsey
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John,
Here is the drawing and a photo of the rear bulkhead bolt pattern.? You will notice
that two of the holes are "enlarged" existing holes.? This is OK since the
alignment of the bulkhead is assured by the close fit of the bulkhead center
hole to the WW hub and a good fit with the other holes.
Van's apparently has several different forward bulkheads for this spinner.? The
one I got sits far enough forward to clear the Warp Drive prop hub. I didn't
have to do any modifications to make it fit that way.? I guess the secret is in
getting the correct bulkhead.
Let me know if you have questions.
Jay Bannister
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From: John Smith <zenithlist@yahoo.com>
Sent: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 12:23 am
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Spinners
Jay,
?
I also have Van's spinner FP-13 but the rear bulkhead bolt holes do not fit WW
hub and the front bulkhead would not fit Warp Drive prop at all.? I emailed WW
numerous times inquiring about the front crashplate/bulkhead?but?he would not
reply.? Can you post the bolt hole patterns and how you got the front bulkhead
to work?
From: "jaybannist@cs.com" <jaybannist@cs.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 5:43:40 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Spinners
Dan,
I used the spinner from Van's that WW recommends.? It has a bulkhead behind the
prop and one in front of the prop.? It was fairly easy to install and runs true.?
I can't imagine how a spinner would work with only one bulkhead.
Jay in Dallas
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From: leinad <leinad@hughes.net>
Sent: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 5:29 pm
Subject: Zenith-List: Spinners
I purchased a 12" UHS spinner for 601xl/corvair from ACS. Has anyone else used
these. I was surprised to see that it comes with only a single bulk head for
the front of the prop. How much of a concern is this? What are others using?
Dan Dempsey
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Flight Design uses UMA gages in all their planes and have been for years.
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Jay,
Are you saying you don't have the propeller bolts passing through the front bulk
head? Is there anything holding the front bulk head on to the prop? I don't
see any use at all in such an arrangement. Normally one would use spacers,
and long enough bolts to attach both bulkheads to the prop/hub assembly.
As to the drawing, it looks like you've confirmed that William is using SAE-1.
It appears Vans has drilled the bulkheads for SAE-2 which I believe is 6 bolts
on a 4.5" circle. (don't quote me)
Thanks for the post. Denise may skin me alive but I may be purchasing the Van's
spinner. I still need to find out if there is enough space (I need at least
3 3/4" between bulkheads, and would like to know the weight of the assembly.
One of the list members said he may get those dimensions for me this weekend.
If he does I'll post them here so the group can benefit.
Dan
jaybannist(at)cs.com wrote:
> John,
>
> Here is the drawing and a photo of the rear bulkhead bolt pattern. You will
notice that two of the holes are "enlarged" existing holes. This is OK since
the alignment of the bulkhead is assured by the close fit of the bulkhead center
hole to the WW hub and a good fit with the other holes.
>
> Van's apparently has several different forward bulkheads for this spinner.
The one I got sits far enough forward to clear the Warp Drive prop hub. I didn't
have to do any modifications to make it fit that way. I guess the secret is
in getting the correct bulkhead.
>
> Let me know if you have questions.
>
> Jay Bannister
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | REF FAA Insp and need for battery cover on sealed BATTERY's |
A lot of builders including myself have Modern SEALED Recombinant Gas, 12V, Concorde
batteries.
Quote from Website follows.
"Construction allows for recombination of hydrogen and oxygen created in the charge
cycle, eliminating explosive gasses, corrosive fumes, and the need for routine
maintenance. Replaces Manifolded & Gel Batteries"
Does this negate the need for a cover and a drain over board?
I understand that the FAA or DAR inspector may have to defer to the FAA specs.
Is there a modification to accommodate these newer batteries?
............Geoff
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Jay,=0A=0AThose are very helpful pictures of rear bulkhead.-- I will do
as pictured.- My front bulkhead is also small enough to clear (~1" in fr
ont of)-the Warp Drive prop hub, and I have no idea how to mount it.- D
oes your front bulkhead mount directly in front of the Warp Drive prop hub?
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aybannist@cs.com>=0ATo: zenith-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Friday, January 2
3, 2009 8:03:46 AM=0ASubject: Re: Zenith-List: Spinners=0A=0A=0AJohn,=0A=0A
Here is the drawing and a photo of the rear bulkhead bolt pattern.- You w
ill notice that two of the holes are "enlarged" existing holes.- This is
OK since the alignment of the bulkhead is assured by the close fit of the b
ulkhead center hole to the WW hub and a good fit with the other holes.=0A
=0AVan's apparently has several different forward bulkheads for this spinne
r.- The one I got sits far enough forward to clear the Warp Drive prop hu
b. I didn't have to do any modifications to make it fit that way.- I gues
s the secret is in getting the correct bulkhead.=0A=0ALet me know if you ha
ve questions.=0A=0AJay Bannister=0A=0A=0A-----Original Message-----=0AFrom:
John Smith <zenithlist@yahoo.com>=0ATo: zenith-list@matronics.com=0ASent:
Fri, 23 Jan 2009 12:23 am=0ASubject: Re: Zenith-List: Spinners=0A=0A=0AJay,
=0A=0AI also have Van's spinner FP-13 but the rear bulkhead bolt holes do n
ot fit WW hub and the front bulkhead would not fit Warp Drive prop at all.
- I emailed WW numerous times inquiring about the front crashplate/bulkhe
ad-but-he would not reply.- Can you post the bolt hole patterns and h
ow you got the front bulkhead to work?=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A______________________
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t@matronics.com=0ASent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 5:43:40 PM=0ASubject: Re:
Zenith-List: Spinners=0A=0A=0ADan,=0A=0AI used the spinner from Van's that
WW recommends.- It has a bulkhead behind the prop and one in front of the
prop.- It was fairly easy to install and runs true.- I can't imagine h
ow a spinner would work with only one bulkhead.=0A=0AJay in Dallas=0ADo not
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ad" <leinad@hughes.net>=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AI purchased a 12" UHS spinne
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My apologies to all !!!? (Is it Altzheimers, or what?)?? Someone asked if the front
bulkhead isn't fastened to the prop assembly, what is it doing?? That really
got me to thinking. Since my memory of the forward spinner bulkhead seemed
to be so fuzzy, I went looking through my photos.? Lo and Behold !!? My forward
bulkhead is not Van's at all.? It is William Wynne's excellent fiberglass unit
made especially for this application.? See photo.? What a dunce!
Sorry for my sorry performance !
Jay Bannister
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Jay,
Thanks for clearing that up. Nice looking installation. My "organic RAM" is fails
often, so don't sweat it.
Dan
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jaybannist(at)cs.com wrote:
> My apologies to all !!! (Is it Altzheimers, or what?) Someone asked if the
front bulkhead isn't fastened to the prop assembly, what is it doing? That really
got me to thinking. Since my memory of the forward spinner bulkhead seemed
to be so fuzzy, I went looking through my photos. Lo and Behold !! My forward
bulkhead is not Van's at all. It is William Wynne's excellent fiberglass
unit made especially for this application. See photo. What a dunce!
>
> Sorry for my sorry performance !
>
> Jay Bannister
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| Subject: | Re: Wing main spars serials |
I've got answer form ZAC today. They can have 3 different numbers. As Caleb said,
they are jigged and drilled not together but separately in fixtures.
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CA
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Stratus Subaru EA-81
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And just for the archives here is a pic of the Corvair with a wood prop and the
Van's front bulkhead.
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| Subject: | New Australian Airworthiness Directive for Canopy |
The Australian RAA has come out with an airworthiness directive
requiring a secondary latching mechanism for the 601 canopy. Note they
suggest that power must be maintained in the event a canopy opens as a
decrease in power will lead to a sudden nose down attitude
Details at http://www.auf.asn.au/airworthiness/index.html#zenith
John Davis
N601JD - 601XL Jab 3300
2.5 Hrs and counting...
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Also Aerolite is having a machined crush plate made that will have the
proper spacers machined into it at the correct height for the wood prop and the
warp drive. We are also going to sell the spinner pre drilled and indexed ready
to bolt on.
I have just finished making the brackets for the aluminum intake and it is
about 1 lb lighter than the SS ones.
More great products to come.
Jeff
And just for the archives here is a pic of the Corvair with a wood prop and
the Van's front bulkhead.
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| Subject: | Re: CH601 XL Aileron Push Rods. |
Mark, I left the thing on my computer at work and I won't be back in the
office until Tuesday. I'll try to send it to you then. Thanks, Bill
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The spinner that Van's sells will work just fine if you do some
modifications to it. The Hole pattern is SAE 2 and you can either enlarge the
holes in
the lower bulkhead or you can drill new one's using the prop hub as a drill
guide. If you use the prop hub it will be self aligning with the center hole
in
the bulk head and then you can simply drill new holes. This bulkhead is in
compression so either way (enlarging the first set of holes or drilling new
one's) will work just fine.
As for the top bulkhead you can either continue to try and get the one WW
makes if you ever get an answer from him....... OR you can go to Lowe's and buy
6 1 inch spacers and 6 flat washers and drill the front bulkhead and crush
plate for 1/4 20 screws and that will give you the perfect height for a Warp
drive prop.
If you are using a wood prop you will need 6 3/4 spacers and 1 washer. I
will post a pic of one I did and you can see it isn't that hard to do. I like
the Van's front bulkhead much better than WW's because it makes the spinner
rigid and WW's can be moved from side to side but if you can't get one what's
the point.
Here are some pics of it and if you need anything else I will be glad to
answer my email's and help you thru the process.
Jeff Garrett
Louisville Ky.
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601XL N524B Aerolite Corvair 155 Hrs
601XL N2257 Aerolite Corvair 87 Hrs
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I also have Van's spinner FP-13 but the rear bulkhead bolt holes do not fit
WW hub and the front bulkhead would not fit Warp Drive prop at all. I
emailed WW numerous times inquiring about the front crashplate/bulkhead but he
would not reply. Can you post the bolt hole patterns and how you got the front
bulkhead to work?
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| Subject: | Re: New Australian Airworthiness Directive for Canopy |
This is nothing new and it all has been covered before. It was put out after discussion
with the Zodiac XL users here in Australia as a safety precaution until
more info is learned. it combines all the information put out and allows us
to continue to fly . a sound decision I think lets put safety first.
Its just a secondary latching system to ensure safe flying till more info is gained..
Chris..
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