---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 01/23/09: 16 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:01 AM - Re: Wing main spars serials (Craig Payne) 2. 04:43 AM - Re: EAA's Experimenter, back again! (leinad) 3. 06:05 AM - Re: Spinners (jaybannist@cs.com) 4. 08:26 AM - Re: Gauges (Roger Lee) 5. 08:47 AM - Re: Spinners (leinad) 6. 09:15 AM - REF FAA Insp and need for battery cover on sealed BATTERY's (Geoff Heap) 7. 09:30 AM - Re: Spinners (John Smith) 8. 09:57 AM - Spinner (jaybannist@cs.com) 9. 12:31 PM - Re: Spinner (leinad) 10. 12:43 PM - Re: Wing main spars serials (pavel569) 11. 01:23 PM - Re: Spinner (Gig Giacona) 12. 01:47 PM - New Australian Airworthiness Directive for Canopy (John Davis) 13. 03:34 PM - Re: Re: Spinner (Afterfxllc@aol.com) 14. 08:35 PM - Re: CH601 XL Aileron Push Rods. (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com) 15. 09:11 PM - Re: Spinners (Afterfxllc@aol.com) 16. 10:26 PM - Re: New Australian Airworthiness Directive for Canopy (chris Sinfield) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:01:25 AM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Wing main spars serials I've attached pictures of the three spar data plates and paper labels from my 2007-vintage QBK. The "81" number is the "manufacturing number" of the entire QBK. I'm not sure what the work order numbers "6812" (torn label), "6813" and "6814" on the paper labels represent. None of them are the serial number on my plans (or even close). Somebody at the factory in Mexico, MO (Caleb or Roger or Michael at QSP) told me that when mine were made they were made in matching sets (left/center/right). But that at some later time they had improved their processes to the point that matching a set was no longer needed. I believe that all the spars are made at Zenith/Canada. I would definitely get an answer from the factory. -- Craig -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of pavel569 Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 6:01 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Wing main spars serials Today I was about to start working on the center section of main spar. I've unpacked it (now I know, I should do it when itemizing the kit - I've just checked the presence of the spar) and I've realized that the serial numbers don't match. My wing spars # are identical but different from the center section. I've already emailed ZAC about it. Do you, anyone, have the same experience? -------- Pavel CA Zodiac XL N581PM (Reserved) Stratus Subaru EA-81 Tail, flaps, ailerons, wings done, fuselage is on the table .... Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=226262#226262 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:43:19 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: EAA's Experimenter, back again! From: "leinad" Hints for homebuilders is great! Thanks Pat! Dan Dempsey http://www.eaa.org/video/homebuilders.html?videoId=8601416001 -------- Scratch building XL with Corvair Engine Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=226322#226322 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:05:33 AM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Spinners From: jaybannist@cs.com John, Here is the drawing and a photo of the rear bulkhead bolt pattern.? You will notice that two of the holes are "enlarged" existing holes.? This is OK since the alignment of the bulkhead is assured by the close fit of the bulkhead center hole to the WW hub and a good fit with the other holes. Van's apparently has several different forward bulkheads for this spinner.? The one I got sits far enough forward to clear the Warp Drive prop hub. I didn't have to do any modifications to make it fit that way.? I guess the secret is in getting the correct bulkhead. Let me know if you have questions. Jay Bannister -----Original Message----- From: John Smith Sent: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 12:23 am Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Spinners Jay, ? I also have Van's spinner FP-13 but the rear bulkhead bolt holes do not fit WW hub and the front bulkhead would not fit Warp Drive prop at all.? I emailed WW numerous times inquiring about the front crashplate/bulkhead?but?he would not reply.? Can you post the bolt hole patterns and how you got the front bulkhead to work? From: "jaybannist@cs.com" Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 5:43:40 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Spinners Dan, I used the spinner from Van's that WW recommends.? It has a bulkhead behind the prop and one in front of the prop.? It was fairly easy to install and runs true.? I can't imagine how a spinner would work with only one bulkhead. Jay in Dallas Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: leinad Sent: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 5:29 pm Subject: Zenith-List: Spinners I purchased a 12" UHS spinner for 601xl/corvair from ACS. Has anyone else used these. I was surprised to see that it comes with only a single bulk head for the front of the prop. How much of a concern is this? What are others using? Dan Dempsey -------- Scratch building XL with Corvair Engine Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=225541#225541 Email message sent from CompuServe - visit us today at http://www.cs.com ________________________________________________________________________ Email message sent from CompuServe - visit us today at http://www.cs.com ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:26:29 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Gauges From: "Roger Lee" Flight Design uses UMA gages in all their planes and have been for years. -------- Roger Lee Tucson, Az. Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated Rotax Service Center 520-574-1080 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=226365#226365 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:47:27 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Spinners From: "leinad" Jay, Are you saying you don't have the propeller bolts passing through the front bulk head? Is there anything holding the front bulk head on to the prop? I don't see any use at all in such an arrangement. Normally one would use spacers, and long enough bolts to attach both bulkheads to the prop/hub assembly. As to the drawing, it looks like you've confirmed that William is using SAE-1. It appears Vans has drilled the bulkheads for SAE-2 which I believe is 6 bolts on a 4.5" circle. (don't quote me) Thanks for the post. Denise may skin me alive but I may be purchasing the Van's spinner. I still need to find out if there is enough space (I need at least 3 3/4" between bulkheads, and would like to know the weight of the assembly. One of the list members said he may get those dimensions for me this weekend. If he does I'll post them here so the group can benefit. Dan jaybannist(at)cs.com wrote: > John, > > Here is the drawing and a photo of the rear bulkhead bolt pattern. You will notice that two of the holes are "enlarged" existing holes. This is OK since the alignment of the bulkhead is assured by the close fit of the bulkhead center hole to the WW hub and a good fit with the other holes. > > Van's apparently has several different forward bulkheads for this spinner. The one I got sits far enough forward to clear the Warp Drive prop hub. I didn't have to do any modifications to make it fit that way. I guess the secret is in getting the correct bulkhead. > > Let me know if you have questions. > > Jay Bannister > > > > > > -- -------- Scratch building XL with Corvair Engine Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=226369#226369 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:15:39 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: REF FAA Insp and need for battery cover on sealed BATTERY's From: "Geoff Heap" A lot of builders including myself have Modern SEALED Recombinant Gas, 12V, Concorde batteries. Quote from Website follows. "Construction allows for recombination of hydrogen and oxygen created in the charge cycle, eliminating explosive gasses, corrosive fumes, and the need for routine maintenance. Replaces Manifolded & Gel Batteries" Does this negate the need for a cover and a drain over board? I understand that the FAA or DAR inspector may have to defer to the FAA specs. Is there a modification to accommodate these newer batteries? ............Geoff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=226374#226374 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:30:54 AM PST US From: John Smith Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Spinners Jay,=0A=0AThose are very helpful pictures of rear bulkhead.-- I will do as pictured.- My front bulkhead is also small enough to clear (~1" in fr ont of)-the Warp Drive prop hub, and I have no idea how to mount it.- D oes your front bulkhead mount directly in front of the Warp Drive prop hub? =0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: "jaybannist@cs.com" =0ATo: zenith-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Friday, January 2 3, 2009 8:03:46 AM=0ASubject: Re: Zenith-List: Spinners=0A=0A=0AJohn,=0A=0A Here is the drawing and a photo of the rear bulkhead bolt pattern.- You w ill notice that two of the holes are "enlarged" existing holes.- This is OK since the alignment of the bulkhead is assured by the close fit of the b ulkhead center hole to the WW hub and a good fit with the other holes.=0A =0AVan's apparently has several different forward bulkheads for this spinne r.- The one I got sits far enough forward to clear the Warp Drive prop hu b. I didn't have to do any modifications to make it fit that way.- I gues s the secret is in getting the correct bulkhead.=0A=0ALet me know if you ha ve questions.=0A=0AJay Bannister=0A=0A=0A-----Original Message-----=0AFrom: John Smith =0ATo: zenith-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 12:23 am=0ASubject: Re: Zenith-List: Spinners=0A=0A=0AJay, =0A=0AI also have Van's spinner FP-13 but the rear bulkhead bolt holes do n ot fit WW hub and the front bulkhead would not fit Warp Drive prop at all. - I emailed WW numerous times inquiring about the front crashplate/bulkhe ad-but-he would not reply.- Can you post the bolt hole patterns and h ow you got the front bulkhead to work?=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A______________________ __________=0AFrom: "jaybannist@cs.com" =0ATo: zenith-lis t@matronics.com=0ASent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 5:43:40 PM=0ASubject: Re: Zenith-List: Spinners=0A=0A=0ADan,=0A=0AI used the spinner from Van's that WW recommends.- It has a bulkhead behind the prop and one in front of the prop.- It was fairly easy to install and runs true.- I can't imagine h ow a spinner would work with only one bulkhead.=0A=0AJay in Dallas=0ADo not archive=0A=0A=0A-----Original Message-----=0AFrom: leinad =0ATo: zenith-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 5:29 pm=0ASubj ad" =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AI purchased a 12" UHS spinne r for 601xl/corvair from ACS. Has anyone else used =0A=0A=0A=0Athese. I w as surprised to see that it comes with only a single bulk head for =0A=0A =0A=0Athe front of the prop. How much of a concern is this? What are othe rs using?=0A=0A=0A=0ADan Dempsey=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A--------=0A=0A=0A =0AScratch building XL with Corvair Engine=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A =0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=225541#225541=0A=0A=0A =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A_____________________ ___________=0AEmail message sent from CompuServe - visit us today at http:/ /www.cs.com=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________ ________________=0AEmail message sent from CompuServe - visit us today at h ttp://www.cs.com=0A=0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:57:48 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Spinner From: jaybannist@cs.com My apologies to all !!!? (Is it Altzheimers, or what?)?? Someone asked if the front bulkhead isn't fastened to the prop assembly, what is it doing?? That really got me to thinking. Since my memory of the forward spinner bulkhead seemed to be so fuzzy, I went looking through my photos.? Lo and Behold !!? My forward bulkhead is not Van's at all.? It is William Wynne's excellent fiberglass unit made especially for this application.? See photo.? What a dunce! Sorry for my sorry performance ! Jay Bannister ________________________________________________________________________ Email message sent from CompuServe - visit us today at http://www.cs.com ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:31:44 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Spinner From: "leinad" Jay, Thanks for clearing that up. Nice looking installation. My "organic RAM" is fails often, so don't sweat it. Dan do not archive jaybannist(at)cs.com wrote: > My apologies to all !!! (Is it Altzheimers, or what?) Someone asked if the front bulkhead isn't fastened to the prop assembly, what is it doing? That really got me to thinking. Since my memory of the forward spinner bulkhead seemed to be so fuzzy, I went looking through my photos. Lo and Behold !! My forward bulkhead is not Van's at all. It is William Wynne's excellent fiberglass unit made especially for this application. See photo. What a dunce! > > Sorry for my sorry performance ! > > Jay Bannister > Email message sent from CompuServe - visit us today at http://www.cs.com (http://www.cs.com) -------- Scratch building XL with Corvair Engine Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=226412#226412 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 12:43:51 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Wing main spars serials From: "pavel569" I've got answer form ZAC today. They can have 3 different numbers. As Caleb said, they are jigged and drilled not together but separately in fixtures. -------- Pavel CA Zodiac XL N581PM (Reserved) Stratus Subaru EA-81 Tail, flaps, ailerons, wings done, fuselage is on the table .... Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=226415#226415 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 01:23:08 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Spinner From: "Gig Giacona" And just for the archives here is a pic of the Corvair with a wood prop and the Van's front bulkhead. -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=226421#226421 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/db_img_00512_172.jpg ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 01:47:09 PM PST US From: John Davis Subject: Zenith-List: New Australian Airworthiness Directive for Canopy The Australian RAA has come out with an airworthiness directive requiring a secondary latching mechanism for the 601 canopy. Note they suggest that power must be maintained in the event a canopy opens as a decrease in power will lead to a sudden nose down attitude Details at http://www.auf.asn.au/airworthiness/index.html#zenith John Davis N601JD - 601XL Jab 3300 2.5 Hrs and counting... ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 03:34:27 PM PST US From: Afterfxllc@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Spinner Also Aerolite is having a machined crush plate made that will have the proper spacers machined into it at the correct height for the wood prop and the warp drive. We are also going to sell the spinner pre drilled and indexed ready to bolt on. I have just finished making the brackets for the aluminum intake and it is about 1 lb lighter than the SS ones. More great products to come. Jeff And just for the archives here is a pic of the Corvair with a wood prop and the Van's front bulkhead. **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! cemailfooterNO62) ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:35:04 PM PST US From: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: CH601 XL Aileron Push Rods. Mark, I left the thing on my computer at work and I won't be back in the office until Tuesday. I'll try to send it to you then. Thanks, Bill **************From Wall Street to Main Street and everywhere in between, stay up-to-date with the latest news. (http://aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000023) ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:11:29 PM PST US From: Afterfxllc@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Spinners The spinner that Van's sells will work just fine if you do some modifications to it. The Hole pattern is SAE 2 and you can either enlarge the holes in the lower bulkhead or you can drill new one's using the prop hub as a drill guide. If you use the prop hub it will be self aligning with the center hole in the bulk head and then you can simply drill new holes. This bulkhead is in compression so either way (enlarging the first set of holes or drilling new one's) will work just fine. As for the top bulkhead you can either continue to try and get the one WW makes if you ever get an answer from him....... OR you can go to Lowe's and buy 6 1 inch spacers and 6 flat washers and drill the front bulkhead and crush plate for 1/4 20 screws and that will give you the perfect height for a Warp drive prop. If you are using a wood prop you will need 6 3/4 spacers and 1 washer. I will post a pic of one I did and you can see it isn't that hard to do. I like the Van's front bulkhead much better than WW's because it makes the spinner rigid and WW's can be moved from side to side but if you can't get one what's the point. Here are some pics of it and if you need anything else I will be glad to answer my email's and help you thru the process. Jeff Garrett Louisville Ky. 601XL N962T Aerolite Corvair 90% 601XL N524B Aerolite Corvair 155 Hrs 601XL N2257 Aerolite Corvair 87 Hrs _www.aeroliteproducts.com_ (http://www.aeroliteproducts.com/) _www.project601xl.com_ (http://www.project601xl.com/) _www.aerolite.camstreams.com_ (http://www.aerolite.camstreams.com/) I also have Van's spinner FP-13 but the rear bulkhead bolt holes do not fit WW hub and the front bulkhead would not fit Warp Drive prop at all. I emailed WW numerous times inquiring about the front crashplate/bulkhead but he would not reply. Can you post the bolt hole patterns and how you got the front bulkhead to work? **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! cemailfooterNO62) ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 10:26:47 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: New Australian Airworthiness Directive for Canopy From: "chris Sinfield" This is nothing new and it all has been covered before. It was put out after discussion with the Zodiac XL users here in Australia as a safety precaution until more info is learned. it combines all the information put out and allows us to continue to fly . a sound decision I think lets put safety first. Its just a secondary latching system to ensure safe flying till more info is gained.. Chris.. 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