Today's Message Index:
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1. 06:15 AM - Re: RV9- Light Sport (Gig Giacona)
2. 08:18 AM - Re: Re: RV9- Light Sport (Bob Collins)
3. 08:23 AM - Re: Re: RV9- Light Sport (Juan Vega)
4. 11:12 AM - Re: CH601 XL Aileron Push Rods. ()
5. 03:12 PM - Battery cover answer...Giving back (Geoff Heap)
6. 03:43 PM - Re: Battery cover answer...Giving back (steve)
7. 05:25 PM - Fuel sight gage (Bill Naumuk)
8. 05:53 PM - Re: Fuel sight gage (Craig Payne)
9. 05:59 PM - Re: RV9- Light Sport (mcjon77)
10. 06:02 PM - Re: Fuel sight gage (Herb Heaton)
11. 06:09 PM - Grove nosewheel tube and tire assembly (Jay Maynard)
12. 06:19 PM - airbags (Carlos Sa)
13. 07:24 PM - Re: Fuel sight gage (LarryMcFarland)
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| Subject: | Re: RV9- Light Sport |
Juan Vega Jr wrote:
> Actually Jay you are incorrect. Jay Kurtz, registered an 9a as ELSA. Its fully
registered as such and he is selling them from SOuth LAkeland, Florida. Very
little usefull load though. definietly a one moan plane. It has a 900 + lb
empty weight.
>
> Juan
>
> --
Just be cause he is a DAR doesn't make it legit. And while the one of might be
there is no way any of the ones he is selling now for $125K can be. After the
grace period for the "fat ultralights" passed early last year the only way a plane
can be E-LSA is for the company who has built the S-LSA version to produce
and identical kit.
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W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=226848#226848
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| Subject: | Re: RV9- Light Sport |
Hello,
I wonder if there is some confusion about the rules here. You are right,
the non-factory ELSA period is over so, without Vans offering an ELSA
version of a LSA design, you may not register a plane as an ELSA. Van
will probably do this for the RV-12.
However, anyone can build a plane which meets the LSA specs and register
it under amateur-built: experimental. I could believe that, with
sufficient dirtying and compromised useful load that if would be
possible to make an RV-9 meet the LSA specs and then fly it with a sport
pilot license. An important issue it that it would need to be registered
with the LSA characteristics (dirty, 1320 lbs max, etc) and would
therefore not be a particularly attractive plane for someone who wanted
a standard RV-9.
Bob Collins
Sunnyvale CA USA
Gig Giacona wrote:
>
>
> Juan Vega Jr wrote:
>
>> Actually Jay you are incorrect. Jay Kurtz, registered an 9a as ELSA. Its fully
registered as such and he is selling them from SOuth LAkeland, Florida.
Very little usefull load though. definietly a one moan plane. It has a 900 +
lb empty weight.
>>
>> Juan
>>
>> --
>>
>
>
> Just be cause he is a DAR doesn't make it legit. And while the one of might be
there is no way any of the ones he is selling now for $125K can be. After the
grace period for the "fat ultralights" passed early last year the only way a
plane can be E-LSA is for the company who has built the S-LSA version to produce
and identical kit.
>
> --------
> W.R. "Gig" Giacona
> 601XL Under Construction
> See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=226848#226848
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RV9- Light Sport |
sounds good. sounds lie you know the rules verboten. sounds like you want to
build an rv-9 or really like them.
let me know how the build goes.
Juan
-----Original Message-----
>From: Gig Giacona <wrgiacona@gmail.com>
>Sent: Jan 26, 2009 9:14 AM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Zenith-List: Re: RV9- Light Sport
>
>
>
>Juan Vega Jr wrote:
>> Actually Jay you are incorrect. Jay Kurtz, registered an 9a as ELSA. Its fully
registered as such and he is selling them from SOuth LAkeland, Florida.
Very little usefull load though. definietly a one moan plane. It has a 900 +
lb empty weight.
>>
>> Juan
>>
>> --
>
>
>Just be cause he is a DAR doesn't make it legit. And while the one of might be
there is no way any of the ones he is selling now for $125K can be. After the
grace period for the "fat ultralights" passed early last year the only way a
plane can be E-LSA is for the company who has built the S-LSA version to produce
and identical kit.
>
>--------
>W.R. "Gig" Giacona
>601XL Under Construction
>See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=226848#226848
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: CH601 XL Aileron Push Rods. |
Hell, just send it to the list. I'd bet MOST of us are interested,
particularly if we sweated, cursed, and tried to strangle the parakeet
while trying to set those *&^%$#balance cables in a straight line. Those
who love their cables can just hit the delete.
Paul Rodriguez
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Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 5:52 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: CH601 XL Aileron Push Rods.
Bill send it to me for ch601.com
Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario
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STOL CH750 Just started
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Of japhillipsga@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 3:16 PM
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Subject: Zenith-List: CH601 XL Aileron Push Rods.
Hello Fellow 601 Builders and Flyers, I have finished the picture/text
description of converting my XL to push/pull rods.
How can I post it so those that care to see it may? Its about 5 pages
long with photos and text. Bill of Georgia
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| Subject: | Battery cover answer...Giving back |
I'm building a 701 but this probably applies to any Zenith design.
I'm concerned about failing final FAA inspection due to the fact that I dont use
the battery cover from Zenith so I posted the following on the more general
MATRONICS ZENITH list hoping to get a quick answer. It read
A lot of builders including myself have Modern SEALED Recombinant Gas, 12V, Concorde
batteries.
Quote from Website follows.
"Construction allows for recombination of hydrogen and oxygen created in the charge
cycle, eliminating explosive gasses, corrosive fumes, and the need for routine
maintenance. Replaces Manifolded & Gel Batteries"
Does this negate the need for a cover and a drain over board?
I understand that the FAA or DAR inspector may have to defer to the FAA specs.
Is there a modification to accommodate these newer batteries?
42 hits (views) and not one comment.
I did get a personal Email from a DAR.
He said Unless you are building to a standard that specifies that you need a vented
batt box then you do not need it for an experimental home built. Thanks
Chuck.
So I started with Concorde battery. My email follows.
Can you make a statement regarding the need for a battery cover and a vent line
overboard for a Recombinant gas battery? I am using your CB 25RG in the aircraft
I am currently building. My battery is held securely in place and I have not
put a cover on it. In my opinion, based on what I've read about RG batteries.
I don't need one and it would be pointless.
The battery is in a safe area that is not accessible unless an inspection cover
is removed first.
The terminals are covered and safe.
My intention is to seek a statement from Zenith Aircraft that removes the need
for a cover to be fitted. Their plans go back to the 1980's at least. Before builders
were using this battery. Your opinion would be of help with this.
Without a written statement from them (The designers) regarding the cover I may
not pass FAA inspection. I would appreciate any help in this matter. And a lot
of other builders would welcome it too. Many thanks Geoff Heap.
I was answered by the VP of Marketing. His reply follows
Concorde RG series aircraft batteries are properly called valve regulated lead
acid (VRLA)
Each cell has a vent (pressure relief) valve that remains closed in normal operation
In the event of overcharging the battery with either internal or external power,
the valves will open to prevent the case from rupturing.
Because the RG series batteries do not have any free electrolyte, they are classified
as non-spill able and can be shipped by air as NON-HAZMAT
Aircraft installations do not need a battery box and drain, the RG series batteries
can be mounted in a frame or on a shelf and do not need vent tubes for cross
flow ventilation.
The battery compartment cannot be sealed (water tight) the compartment needs to
have a means of breathing as the battery vent valves keep .5 to 1 psi of internal
pressure over the outside atmospheric pressure.
Finally I talked to Travis at Zenith(I had been getting a busy signal for hours.
Thats why I went to Concorde first)
Travis said that Zenith has never had a design requirement to use the cover.
Well that kills it dead. There is no requirement for a 701 to have a cover on the
battery
Hope this is of use to anyone who does not want to fit the cover. It appears to
be optional. I dont see a use for it. If my battery in an exposed position such
as in front of the firewall then I would fit it. Disclaimer. This is my personal
opinion only. If your have a strong opinion the other way I'd like to hear
your reasons. I'd also like to know why you couldnt give it before when I asked
for comments. Isn't that why were all here?
. Geoff
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=226943#226943
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| Subject: | Re: Battery cover answer...Giving back |
----- Original Message -----
From: "Geoff Heap" <stol10@comcast.net>
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 4:08 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Battery cover answer...Giving back
>
> I'm building a 701 but this probably applies to any Zenith design.
> I'm concerned about failing final FAA inspection due to the fact that I
> don?Tt use the battery cover from Zenith so I posted the following on the
> more general MATRONICS ZENITH list hoping to get a quick answer. It read
>
> A lot of builders including myself have Modern SEALED Recombinant Gas,
> 12V, Concorde batteries.
> Quote from Website follows.
>
> "Construction allows for recombination of hydrogen and oxygen created in
> the charge cycle, eliminating explosive gasses, corrosive fumes, and the
> need for routine maintenance. Replaces Manifolded & Gel Batteries"
>
> Does this negate the need for a cover and a drain over board?
> I understand that the FAA or DAR inspector may have to defer to the FAA
> specs. Is there a modification to accommodate these newer batteries?
>
> 42 hits (views) and not one comment.
> I did get a personal Email from a DAR.
> He said ?oUnless you are building to a standard that specifies that you
> need a vented batt box then you do not need it for an experimental home
> built.? Thanks Chuck.
>
> So I started with Concorde battery. My email follows.
>
> Can you make a statement regarding the need for a battery cover and a vent
> line overboard for a Recombinant gas battery? I am using your CB 25RG in
> the aircraft I am currently building. My battery is held securely in place
> and I have not put a cover on it. In my opinion, based on what I've read
> about RG batteries. I don't need one and it would be pointless.
> The battery is in a safe area that is not accessible unless an inspection
> cover is removed first.
> The terminals are covered and safe.
> My intention is to seek a statement from Zenith Aircraft that removes the
> need for a cover to be fitted. Their plans go back to the 1980's at least.
> Before builders were using this battery. Your opinion would be of help
> with this.
> Without a written statement from them (The designers) regarding the cover
> I may not pass FAA inspection. I would appreciate any help in this matter.
> And a lot of other builders would welcome it too. Many thanks Geoff Heap.
>
> I was answered by the VP of Marketing. His reply follows
>
> Concorde RG series aircraft batteries are properly called valve regulated
> lead acid (VRLA)
> Each cell has a vent (pressure relief) valve that remains closed in normal
> operation
> In the event of overcharging the battery with either internal or external
> power, the valves will open to prevent the case from rupturing.
> Because the RG series batteries do not have any free electrolyte, they are
> classified as non-spill able and can be shipped by air as ?oNON-HAZMAT?
> Aircraft installations do not need a battery box and drain, the RG series
> batteries can be mounted in a frame or on a shelf and do not need vent
> tubes for cross flow ventilation.
> The battery compartment cannot be sealed (water tight) the compartment
> needs to have a means of breathing as the battery vent valves keep .5 to 1
> psi of internal pressure over the outside atmospheric pressure.
>
> Finally I talked to Travis at Zenith(I had been getting a busy signal for
> hours. That?Ts why I went to Concorde first)
> Travis said that Zenith has never had a design requirement to use the
> cover.
>
> Well that kills it dead. There is no requirement for a 701 to have a cover
> on the battery
> Hope this is of use to anyone who does not want to fit the cover. It
> appears to be optional. I don?Tt see a use for it. If my battery in an
> exposed position such as in front of the firewall then I would fit it.
> Disclaimer. This is my personal opinion only. If your have a strong
> opinion the other way I'd like to hear your reasons. I'd also like to know
> why you couldn?Tt give it before when I asked for comments. Isn't that
> why we?Tre all here?
> ????. Geoff
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=226943#226943
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/battery_mount_145.jpg
>
>
>
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All-
Thanks much for your input. Unfortunately, I don't have room left in
my panel to accommodate a sight gage. I can barely start nuts using 14"
pliers considering everything I have to work around.
So, here's my plan B question. What sender would you put in? I'm not
worried about the wing tanks, just being able to monitor the header
during wing tank fuel transfers. A sender with a "Full tank" alarm would
be the most useful.
Bill Naumuk
Townville, Pa.
HDS 601MG/Corvair 95%
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I know of two vendors of optical fuel presence sensors. They won't monitor
the level throughout the tank, just tell you when it passes a point. The
first (Pillar Point Avionics) appears to have gone out of business as of the
end of 2008. That leaves Aircraft Extras:
http://www.aircraftextras.com/
They appear to only sell a complete system for detecting *low* fuel levels.
But there is no reason why the sensors couldn't be used to detect a high
level. See if they will sell just the sensor.
-- Craig
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Naumuk
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 6:24 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Fuel sight gage
All-
Thanks much for your input. Unfortunately, I don't have room left in my
panel to accommodate a sight gage. I can barely start nuts using 14" pliers
considering everything I have to work around.
So, here's my plan B question. What sender would you put in? I'm not
worried about the wing tanks, just being able to monitor the header during
wing tank fuel transfers. A sender with a "Full tank" alarm would be the
most useful.
Bill Naumuk
Townville, Pa.
HDS 601MG/Corvair 95%
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| Subject: | Re: RV9- Light Sport |
Here is what I do not quite understand:
If this guy is trying to sell the RV-9 ELSA that he has already built for $120K,
then that is fine.
If he is offering builders assist for an ExAB RV-9, that is OK.
HOWEVER. If he is offering to build you a NEW ELSA or ExAB RV-9, I am almost positive
that is a violation of the rules.
He cannot get an ELSA RV-9 registered since the "fat ultralight" deadline has passed
and there is no SLSA version of the RV-9.
He Also cannot get an ExAB RV-9 registered if he builds it for someone, unless
he is doing it for free, since it is not amateur built. He isn't building these
aircraft for other owners SOLELY for his own education and recreation, is he?
Jon
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel sight gage |
Bill,
I just purchased a capacitance fuel sender from Skysports.
http://airstuff.com/eshop/10Browse.asp<http://airstuff.com/eshop/10Browse
.asp> A/S carries them also but not all of the options. High and low
switches are available.
Herb
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Naumuk<mailto:naumuk@windstream.net>
To: zenith list<mailto:zenith-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 6:24 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Fuel sight gage
All-
Thanks much for your input. Unfortunately, I don't have room left
in my panel to accommodate a sight gage. I can barely start nuts using
14" pliers considering everything I have to work around.
So, here's my plan B question. What sender would you put in? I'm
not worried about the wing tanks, just being able to monitor the header
during wing tank fuel transfers. A sender with a "Full tank" alarm would
be the most useful.
Bill Naumuk
Townville, Pa.
HDS 601MG/Corvair 95%
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| Subject: | Grove nosewheel tube and tire assembly |
I'm in the process of replacing the nose wheel tube on my airplane. The
original failed when the stem was partially pulled out of the tube to one
side, tearing the tube.
The new tube came with a nut, a shoulder washer, and another nut on the stem
(it's a 90-degree bent stem). The original tube didn't have the inner nut. I
can't find a drawing anywhere of how it's supposed to go together. It's a
5.00x5 tube and tire on a Grove split nosewheel rim. Can someone tell me how
the pieces fit? Thanks.
--
Jay Maynard, K5ZC, PP-ASEL, AGI http://www.conmicro.com
http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net
Fairmont, MN (KFRM) (Yes, that's me!)
AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC http://www.tronguy.net/N55ZC.shtml
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Coming home from Toronto on Friday, I got an upgrade to executive class on a
767 with new interior.
To my surprise, the executive class seats are equipped with air bags (but
not coach... hmmm...).
Which leads me to a question that I have been meaning to ask: has anybody
installed or considered installing airbags?
Here's a link to the only one I am aware of:
http://www.amsafe.com/products/detail.php?id=68&type=categories
There are some videos at the bottom of the page.
Carlos
CH601-HD, plans
tail feathers, wings done, started on centre wing section.
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel sight gage |
Bill,
I've only overfilled my header once on the ground, but never take more
than a quarter tank from the wings at one time.
Don't get past 3/4 on the gage. Repeat when it's down near 1/4 again.
Had to train myself to stay aware of the gages though.
Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
Bill Naumuk wrote:
> All-
> Thanks much for your input. Unfortunately, I don't have room left
> in my panel to accommodate a sight gage. I can barely start nuts using
> 14" pliers considering everything I have to work around.
> So, here's my plan B question. What sender would you put in? I'm
> not worried about the wing tanks, just being able to monitor the
> header during wing tank fuel transfers. A sender with a "Full tank"
> alarm would be the most useful.
> Bill Naumuk
> Townville, Pa.
> HDS 601MG/Corvair 95%
> *
> *
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