Zenith-List Digest Archive

Thu 01/29/09


Total Messages Posted: 10



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     1. 05:52 AM - 601XL project with WW Corvair for sale (JURU8878)
     2. 06:39 AM - Aileron push rods - replies to questions (Dr. Andrew Elliott)
     3. 07:30 AM - Re: 601XL project with WW Corvair for sale (JURU8878)
     4. 09:03 AM - Stratomaster Enigma (4RCSIMMONS@comcast.net (Rich Simmons))
     5. 10:03 AM - test (Bryan Martin)
     6. 10:06 AM - Re: Stratomaster Enigma (Gig Giacona)
     7. 10:09 AM - Re: Stratomaster Enigma (Craig Payne)
     8. 10:21 AM - test (Bryan Martin)
     9. 12:55 PM - Re: Stratomaster Enigma (Gig Giacona)
    10. 02:04 PM - Re: Re: Stratomaster Enigma (Craig Payne)
 
 
 


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    Time: 05:52:00 AM PST US
    Subject: 601XL project with WW Corvair for sale
    From: "JURU8878" <judson.rupert@navy.mil>
    My father recently passed away and the 601XL project that we were building for him is for sale. We have the the 2700cc Corvair half assembled with many WW parts. The rudder, elevator, horizontal stab, main spars, are complete. Fuselage is started. we have the dual stick option and were planning a tail dragger but we're not far enough along with the fuse so it can go back to the nose dragger version. Selling all of it. would like to get 15k for everything, all reasonable offers will be entertained. I would like the engine and plane to go together but might consider parting the two. Feel free to contact me at jlr262(at)yahoo.com or at the phone numbers listed below if you have any questions. Plane pieces are in Southern MD and engine is currently in central PA, but is in the process of getting to southern MD. Thanks....Jud Rupert 301-994-0630 (home) 301-904-8105 (cell) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=227476#227476


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    Time: 06:39:42 AM PST US
    From: "Dr. Andrew Elliott" <a.s.elliott@cox.net>
    Subject: Aileron push rods - replies to questions
    (long post again) Gang: First, let me say that the amount of additional wear due to the pushrod change is *not* quantified. That's why the second alternative, regular inspection, exists. There are many possible scenarios. [1] Bill may find that, after regular checking and lubricating every 25 hours for 100 or 200 hours, the wear is acceptable for making the bearing a "replace every 250 hours"-type part. At this point it would be reasonable to present the "improvement" to the community to let other people experiment if they wish. For many people, that would be 5 years of flying and would be a perfectly reasonable solution. If continued testing shows acceptable wear, perhaps the TBO can later be increased. We've all seen this happen. [2] Bill may find, after the same checking, that there is no discernable wear at all. Then the experiment is a success! He continues checking and lubricating, but has little concern. At this point it would be reasonable to present the "improvement" to the community as a "tested and works" design change with the maintenance instructions included. [3] Bill may find, after the 2nd or 3rd or n-th check, that the wear is already too large. Then the experiment is an educational failure. He replaces all the parts and puts back the cables, and advises the community that it didn't work. This doesn't mean it *couldn't* work, only that this particular implementation failed. [4] Bill might choose, instead, after the failed check, to replace the bearings with a more appropriate style, make the necessary changes to rest of the parts, and start the testing process all over again... A couple of more notes: Other people making a similar modification might have different results. This could depend on your environment, your flying style and your fabricating/installing skills. It might be different if you have flex hinges or piano hinges. I would hope that all such results would be reported. There is always a time & cost trade-off to be made between design attributes, up-front analysis and prototype testing. The key, IMHO, in a life-critical field like aircraft design, is to not be premature in publicizing and promoting ideas to others, not to jump to conclusions based on minimal testing, and to *always* be quick and honest about publicizing any problems. Gig also asked if leaving in the balance cable would reduce concerns. I'm not sure what is gained then by doing the mod. You still have all the maintenance concerns of a cable and are really just treating the pushrod as a "stiffer" cable. Of course, you could then use a *much* lighter rod, but the problem with the ailerons has never been slop, it's always been feel, IMHO. FWIW, Andy Elliott, Mesa, AZ N601GE,601XL/TD,Corvair


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    Time: 07:30:54 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: 601XL project with WW Corvair for sale
    From: "JURU8878" <judson.rupert@navy.mil>
    please use the jlr262@yahoo.com email account, the US Navy blocks most emails that look like spam so the judson.rupert@navy.mil account will not work. I've received two emails from someone that I cannot see, so please send to the yahoo account. v/r, Jud Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=227493#227493


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    Time: 09:03:34 AM PST US
    From: 4RCSIMMONS@comcast.net (Rich Simmons)
    Subject: Stratomaster Enigma
    Anybody on this list have any experience with MGL's Stratomaster Enigma, Voyager or Odyssey. Likes or dis-likes? -- Thanks, Rich Simmons 601 XL


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    Time: 10:03:14 AM PST US
    From: Bryan Martin <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
    Subject: test
    do not archive


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    Time: 10:06:50 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Stratomaster Enigma
    From: "Gig Giacona" <wrgiacona@gmail.com>
    4RCSIMMONS(at)comcast.net wrote: > Anybody on this list have any experience with MGL's Stratomaster Enigma, Voyager or Odyssey. > > Likes or dis-likes? > > I looked at the Voyager at one point but ended up with the Dynon 180. It just seemed more finished TO ME and I really had no interest in the built in GPS as always knew I'd go with a Garmin of one flavor or another. -------- W.R. &quot;Gig&quot; Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=227519#227519


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    Time: 10:09:09 AM PST US
    From: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
    Subject: Stratomaster Enigma
    I'm just a customer (I had an unflown Enigma and upgraded to a Voyager) and I moderate a user-to-user group for MGL products on Yahoo: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stratomaster_users_group/ We have about 700 subscribers including the head of MGL (Rainier) and most of the world-wide dealers. If you are not already a member you could join and solicit opinions there too. Obviously I like MGL's products but here are some pros and cons: - the MGL products offer great performance and versatility at a lower price than their competitors. - the Enigma/Voyager/Odyssey software evolves rapidly, much more rapidly than say Dynon. This is a two edge sword. - you can do a lot of customization: the screen layouts are all "soft" and can be tuned or completely redesigned. The type and number of probes is also configurable. But you can spend a lot of time customizing. - you can download free simulator/screen-designer applications for your PC for the Enigma or the Odyssey (Voyager is just an Odyssey with a smaller screen). My general advice is to postpone your purchase of any of your avionics as long as possible. Rapid evolution and obsolescence is the pattern these days. And the manufactures leap-frog each other. Dynon will have a whole new line this year. -- Craig -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rich Simmons Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 9:48 AM Subject: Zenith-List: Stratomaster Enigma Anybody on this list have any experience with MGL's Stratomaster Enigma, Voyager or Odyssey. Likes or dis-likes? -- Thanks, Rich Simmons 601 XL


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    Time: 10:21:47 AM PST US
    From: Bryan Martin <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
    Subject: test
    do not archive


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    Time: 12:55:46 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Stratomaster Enigma
    From: "Gig Giacona" <wrgiacona@gmail.com>
    Funny Craig that you didn't mention the one thing I felt was a big plus for the Stratomaster line. The single wire through the firewall. -------- W.R. &quot;Gig&quot; Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=227555#227555


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    Time: 02:04:46 PM PST US
    From: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
    Subject: Re: Stratomaster Enigma
    Well I did say "some". I didn't mention a lot of things: - the built-in GPS - the memory card slot on the front (for easy upgrades, maps, exported flight logs and second-by-second "black box" logging of flight and engine data) - voice alarms ("oil pressure") - control of radio setting from the EFIS (Garmin, XCOM, MGL radios) - in the Odyssey a Garmin-G1000 sized LCD display for a LOT less money - aside from the remote engine data pod the attitude and compass boxes are separate from the display box - an optional attitude box using British Aerospace ring gyros - numeric keypad and rotary knobs (Voyager and Odyssey) for easy entry of data - autopilot using Trio Avionics servos (in beta) - optional I/O extender adds additional analog and digital inputs and outputs - nine customizable screens http://www.mglavionics.co.za/ -- Craig -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gig Giacona Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 1:41 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Stratomaster Enigma Funny Craig that you didn't mention the one thing I felt was a big plus for the Stratomaster line. The single wire through the firewall. -------- W.R. &quot;Gig&quot; Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=227555#227555




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