---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 02/02/09: 11 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:00 AM - Re: Pipe for bending leading edge (kmccune) 2. 06:49 AM - Re: 601XL Nose Ribs (William Dominguez) 3. 06:53 AM - CLEANING AND FILLING DENTS (Joe) 4. 07:35 AM - CLEANING AND FILLING DENTS (Beckman, Rick) 5. 08:03 AM - Re: CLEANING AND FILLING DENTS (Trainnut01@aol.com) 6. 09:50 AM - Re: Pipe for bending leading edge (leinad) 7. 10:01 AM - Re: Pipe for bending leading edge (leinad) 8. 10:09 AM - Re: CLEANING AND FILLING DENTS (Sabrina) 9. 10:18 AM - Re: Re: Pipe for bending leading edge (Carlos Sa) 10. 03:11 PM - Re: CLEANING AND FILLING DENTS (Bill Naumuk) 11. 03:28 PM - Re: Re: Pipe for bending leading edge (Bill Naumuk) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:00:00 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Pipe for bending leading edge From: "kmccune" I t does not look as though you drilled holes in the pipe? I drilled holes along one side down the pipes length for the stab and elevator skins. I assume that you let the vac suck out one end inside the plastic? This is interesting, because I don't want to ruin another pipe by drilling holes in it when I do my wing skin! do not archive Kevin -------- Mark Twain: Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=228133#228133 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:49:37 AM PST US From: William Dominguez Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601XL Nose Ribs I made the same mistake. I made a bigger L angle to attach the nose rib to the spar, one with twice as much flange at top and bottom on the side that attach to the nose rib. In that way I can rivet all the way from top to bottom and closing the spar cap cutout William Dominguez Zodiac 601XL Plans Miami Florida http://www.geocities.com/bill_dom/ --- On Sun, 2/1/09, Derek Lewis wrote: From: Derek Lewis Subject: Zenith-List: 601XL Nose Ribs Question for scratch builders or anyone with the knowledge. I made a mistake on my nose ribs. On 6-W-5 it shows NR1, 2, an 3 have a 8 mm cutout to allow clearance of the main spar caps. Rib 4 to 7 are should not have that. I failed to notice this when I cut my rib blanks or even after forming them. Did anyone else make this mistake, and how important is the extra top and bottom rivet connecting the rib to the nose rib angle? Is it possible to still use the ribs, and maintain the structure? Or would I be better off making new ones? Thanks, Derek Lewis St George, Utah ____________________________________________________________ Purify your water with professional water treatment. Click now! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2231/fc/PnY6rc2FT7Y4yaxKl7avPbO64O1STyLDowmzoCJ7W7zlhK4PdWdnk/ ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:53:08 AM PST US From: "Joe" Subject: Zenith-List: CLEANING AND FILLING DENTS my xl kit was purchased in 02 wings assembled have ben sitting around moved many times. have picked up some dents can i use a filler ? what kinde. also what to use for cleaning in general. thanks. joe ham xl / lycoming 0235 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:35:02 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: CLEANING AND FILLING DENTS From: "Beckman, Rick" Hi, Joe, I had a couple of dents (minor) from the delivery of parts. I went to O'Reilly's and got a tube of filler glaze for the very small dings. I used a good body putty to fill around parts that I wanted to blend to a contour or just smooth around an add on such as the tail light. Lightly sand with 600 then 1000 before priming. Block sand if it is on a curve to hold the radius and not have a flat spot. It will be impossible to spot after painting. Rick Beckman Do not archive ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:03:53 AM PST US From: Trainnut01@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: CLEANING AND FILLING DENTS I had the same problem. Recommend Poly-Fiber Superfil. Got mine at Aircraft Spruce. Strong, light and easy to work with. Carroll do not archive **************Stay up to date on the latest news - from sports scores to stocks and so much more. (http://aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000022) ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:50:36 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Pipe for bending leading edge From: "leinad" Ron, No I didn't. I picked up the camera to shoot one, but just about the time I was ready to take the picture a hole developed in the plastic and let the air out. The part was already bent, so I saw no use in fixing the hole just for a picture. I'll try again next time, maybe ask for an assistant on that issue. Dan Ron Lendon wrote: > Looking good Dan, hope your team won. Did ya get any pictures with the vacuum applied and the part totally collapsed? -------- Scratch building XL with Corvair Engine Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=228182#228182 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:01:13 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Pipe for bending leading edge From: "leinad" Kevin, I may drill holes for the next one. The pipe has already been claimed for a couple of closet rods, so a few holes won't matter. I had a very thin wall piece of brass pipe from a sink drain in a pile of junk and I took that and crushed one end in the vice. This became my "nozzle" which I fastened to the end of the vacuum cleaner hose. It worked OK but was hard to tape in place. One thing I'm not certain about is whether I'll regret not drilling the rivet holes before bending. Has anyone done it that way? I'm going to have to lay all my holes out on a now curved surface. Dan kmccune wrote: > I t does not look as though you drilled holes in the pipe? I drilled holes along one side down the pipes length for the stab and elevator skins. I assume that you let the vac suck out one end inside the plastic? This is interesting, because I don't want to ruin another pipe by drilling holes in it when I do my wing skin! > do not archive > > Kevin -------- Scratch building XL with Corvair Engine Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=228184#228184 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:09:46 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: CLEANING AND FILLING DENTS From: "Sabrina" I would not sand 6061-T6 with any grit, use alumi prep with the 3M pad/ applicator they recommend, rinse, dry, alodine, rinse, dry, prime with one color, then prime with a different color sandable primer, then apply a compatible putty. Fine block sand down to the base primer, not the AL, re-prime at that point with sandable primer, finish... Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=228186#228186 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:18:47 AM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Pipe for bending leading edge From: Carlos Sa Dan, you mean "two flat surfaces with a narrow curved surface in between"... Carlos 2009/2/2 leinad > > ... > One thing I'm not certain about is whether I'll regret not drilling the > rivet holes before bending. Has anyone done it that way? I'm going to have > to lay all my holes out on a now curved surface. > Dan ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 03:11:47 PM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: CLEANING AND FILLING DENTS Rick- The question is, does the filler stay put? I've seen too many projects where the filler cracks and comes loose over time. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: Beckman, Rick To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 10:27 AM Subject: Zenith-List: CLEANING AND FILLING DENTS Hi, Joe, I had a couple of dents (minor) from the delivery of parts. I went to O'Reilly's and got a tube of filler glaze for the very small dings. I used a good body putty to fill around parts that I wanted to blend to a contour or just smooth around an add on such as the tail light. Lightly sand with 600 then 1000 before priming. Block sand if it is on a curve to hold the radius and not have a flat spot. It will be impossible to spot after painting. Rick Beckman Do not archive ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 03:28:54 PM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Pipe for bending leading edge Dan- No, you can lay out your holes on a flat surface. Use a piece of scrap sheet and drill your holes in it, then duct tape the stock to your nose skin and transfer using a Sharpie. I believe Larry Mac's site has pictures. For an XL, compared to the tapered wing of an HDS, this should be a snap. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "leinad" Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 12:59 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Pipe for bending leading edge > > Kevin, > I may drill holes for the next one. The pipe has already been claimed > for a couple of closet rods, so a few holes won't matter. I had a very > thin wall piece of brass pipe from a sink drain in a pile of junk and I > took that and crushed one end in the vice. This became my "nozzle" which > I fastened to the end of the vacuum cleaner hose. It worked OK but was > hard to tape in place. > One thing I'm not certain about is whether I'll regret not drilling the > rivet holes before bending. Has anyone done it that way? I'm going to > have to lay all my holes out on a now curved surface. > Dan > > > kmccune wrote: >> I t does not look as though you drilled holes in the pipe? I drilled >> holes along one side down the pipes length for the stab and elevator >> skins. I assume that you let the vac suck out one end inside the plastic? >> This is interesting, because I don't want to ruin another pipe by >> drilling holes in it when I do my wing skin! >> do not archive >> >> Kevin > > > -------- > Scratch building XL with Corvair Engine > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=228184#228184 > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message zenith-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Zenith-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/zenith-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/zenith-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.