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1. 04:40 AM - IFR Qualifications (Rich Simmons)
2. 05:44 AM - Re: IFR Qualifications (Jay Maynard)
3. 06:06 AM - Re: New Panel Design (Craig Payne)
4. 06:27 AM - Re: IFR Qualifications (Gig Giacona)
5. 06:30 AM - Re: Re: Fuel Pump Requirements on a Low Wing 601 (Ken Lilja)
6. 06:39 AM - Re: IFR Qualifications (Paul Mulwitz)
7. 06:53 AM - Re: IFR Qualifications (Gig Giacona)
8. 09:25 AM - Re: Fuel Pump Requirements on a Low Wing 601 (MHerder)
9. 12:32 PM - Tension gage drawing (LarryMcFarland)
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| Subject: | IFR Qualifications |
OK guys! A real Airplane question.
In layman's terms, what is the minimum equipment needed to make my 601 IFR Capable.
The plane is too light for much in the IFR environment but I still would like the
capability for those early morning departures.
Any descent discussion would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Rich
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| Subject: | Re: IFR Qualifications |
On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 12:39:26PM +0000, Rich Simmons wrote:
> In layman's terms, what is the minimum equipment needed to make my 601 IFR
> Capable.
See 91.205 for the legal minimums.
That's a pretty minimal list, too. You'll want some decent avionics and
instruments for the job, as well as a heated pitot (which isn't listed
there) and maybe an openable window like AMD puts in the XLi/LSi for you to
stick your arm out and scrape ice off the canopy.
> The plane is too light for much in the IFR environment but I still would
> like the capability for those early morning departures.
Don't sell it short...it might be light, but it's pretty stable, and that
dfefinitely helps matters.
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Jay Maynard, K5ZC, PP-ASEL, AGI http://www.conmicro.com
http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net
Fairmont, MN (KFRM) (Yes, that's me!)
AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC http://www.tronguy.net/N55ZC.shtml
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| Subject: | New Panel Design |
Actually the MGL color EFIS all do this but to the SD memory card in the
front slot. Since the recorded data can include the location from the
internal GPS (in addition to flight and engine data) you can also feed the
data to Google Earth for a 3D plot of your flight path.
http://www.stratomaster.eu/lignes/mgl/photos/EN_Google.jpg
I suspect the new Dynon's will do the same when they ship this year.
-- Craig
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From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Terry Phillips
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 12:49 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: New Panel Design
Hi Dan
Assuming that you are still the Zenith-List's inside guy at Dynon, I'd like
to pass along something for the Dynon wish list:
I'd really like to see a USB port through which the system could just dump
all the data to a USB drive in a CSV format. Then one could use it for a
data recorder during Phase I testing. And, in a more solemn vein, it would
function as a dirt cheap black box if an accident happened. Is such a thing
feasible? Maybe it's already there?
Thanks for listening.
Terry
At 02:20 PM 7/29/2008 -0700, you wrote:
>Thanks for the suggestion.. Actually a couple people have suggested I move
>them further in.. LOL.. I honestly just randomly taped them to the panel
>to show them off. Depending on how things work out, I may start with the
>7's and upgrade to a pair of 10's eventually once we release our Com radio
>and transponder. ( I won't need the panel space for radios )
>
>Why not Grand Rapids? LOL.. Because Dynons are the Best! and the price is
>right. ;)
>
>Just in case anyone out there was wondering how my fuselage just seemed to
>have appeared.. I was the person who bought the $1500 deal in Lynnwood, WA
>about a week ago. It was right down the road from me, and the workmanship
>was excellent. It was just a little more complete than a Quickbuild.
>
>Dan Lykowski
>Dynon Avionics Software Engineer
>601XL
Terry Phillips ZBAGer
ttp44~at~rkymtn.net
Corvallis MT
601XL/Jab 3300 s .. l .. o .. o .. w build kit - Tail, flaps, & ailerons
are done; working on the wings
http://www.mykitlog.com/N47TP/
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| Subject: | Re: IFR Qualifications |
The first thing you need to equip your 601 with in order to fly IFR is a sentence
like this in the operating limitations.
After completion of phase I flight testing, unless appropriately equipped for night
and/or instrument flight in accordance with 91.205, this aircraft is to
be operated under VFR, day only.
Without that you could install the panel from a 777 in it and it won't be legal.
Then as Jay said look at 91.205. Blue Mountain Avionics has a pretty good document
available on the subject here.
http://www.bluemountainavionics.com/pdf/IFR%20equipment.pdf
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W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=229524#229524
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Pump Requirements on a Low Wing 601 |
MHerder wrote:
For the O-200 the cam is the same but the vacuum pump gear assembly that
goes on the cam has a lobe to move an arm on an AC type fuel pump. The
cam that has the fuel pump lobe is for an older engine model.
Ken Lilja
Zenith-List message posted by: "MHerder" <michaelherder@beckgroup.com>
> two folks on this threa now have mentioned a "gear" and the cost range has been
850 to 1200. The only mechanical fuel pump that I can find is one that rides
on the camshaft. For the o 0 that was originally gravity fed in a o 200 my
calculations would include, machining the case to accept thefuel pump, possibly
getting a new camshaft (one with the proper lobe) that the fuel pump rides
on and possibly a new carb that accepts the increased fuel pressure. This makes
the "deal" that I was looking at on the engine not so appealing. I sincerely
appreciate everyones input. I think everyone has brought to the table some
intersting points. Each comment has very helpful, dual electric, mech and electric,
back up battery with dual electric pump all valid options... But is there
another geared pump otion that im not aware of? Something that installs
to the back accessory case or where the vacuum pump would install?
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| Subject: | Re: IFR Qualifications |
Hi Rich,
Minimum can be measured in several different ways.
If it is minimum cost you are after, then I think an EFIS is the best
choice. This gives you a complete gyro and pressure instrument panel
in an inexpensive package. It doesn't give you sufficient backup for
extended IFR, but you might consider it enough for your needs. You
also need some radios suitable to the operations you want to perform.
If you go with steam gauges, you will pay a lot more than you will
for a non-certified EFIS. I'm not sure exactly how many you need to
be legal, but if you don't want to be always on partial panel flying
you need a full six pack.
For radios, you probably will want a complete VOR/ILS setup along
with a certified (panel mounted) GPS. There are many choices of
vendors and models in this area, and all will cost you a lot more
than a good EFIS. You will have a hard time beating a Garmin SL-30
for NAV/COMM including LOC and GS in a single small package. You
still need marker beacons for a complete ILS. With all the GPS
approaches being established you probably want a fancy WAAS enabled
ILS capable GPS. Of course you will need a transponder, and just
about any will do.
One area to watch out for is the amount of electrical current you
need to power up all this stuff. You may find the alternator in your
engine of choice is the limiting factor to your system. This is
especially true if you want lights for night operation as well.
Good luck,
Paul
XL getting close
do not archive
At 04:39 AM 2/10/2009, you wrote:
>OK guys! A real Airplane question.
>
>In layman's terms, what is the minimum equipment needed to make my
>601 IFR Capable.
>
>The plane is too light for much in the IFR environment but I still
>would like the capability for those early morning departures.
>
>Any descent discussion would be appreciated.
>
>
>Thanks,
>Rich
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| Subject: | Re: IFR Qualifications |
The lightest and lowest power drain IFR you are going to get is a EFIS like the
Dynon and an SL30. The SL30 also gives you the advantage of having 2 VORs in
one unit because you can see the output of the main VOR freq on Dynon and have
the standby VOR freq on the SL30's own LED screen.
You can then get you Marker Beacon Read out from this.
http://www.rst-engr.com/rst/catalog/marker_receiver.html
And while an IFR legal GPS would be great the installation requirements and costs
are significant. So if you augment all the legal stuff with something like
a Garmin 496 you also have the fully isolated, battery backed, GPS derived, "6
pack" to get you out of the clouds should everything go to hell in a handbag
on you.
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W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=229534#229534
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Pump Requirements on a Low Wing 601 |
Ken
Do you know of a continental part number or aftermarket part number for a gear
with this lobe? Id sure like to see what one looks like.
Anyone know of anyone who can do that sort of machining it should be just drillig
a hole in the case and putting two threaded studs in it?
Does the carb need to be modified? Different needles or similar?
Thanks again!
--------
One Rivet at a Time!
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=229558#229558
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| Subject: | Tension gage drawing |
Hi guys,
I finally finished the cable tension gage drawing and put it on the site.
Its found within Tools, Jigging & Handling page sub-file /Cable Tools.
See link, www.macsmachine.com/html/tjhcabletools.htm
<http://www.macsmachine.com/html/tjhcabletools.htm>
I hope this is useful. To print, click to the large image, show only
this frame and save it for printing a full 8.5 x 11 image.
Have a good one,
Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
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